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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:21 AM Mar 2015

Does Anyone Think These Protests Are Going To Change Anything. They Are Just Going To Double Down.

These fundy nut Christians don't give a tinker's dam about measly little protests about their hate laws. They are just going to stick their butts in your face and double down on what they are up to. They have the attitude of FU secularists. This is our country and you better get used to it. There are 85 proposed laws in 26 states and there are countless anti reproductive rights laws in waiting if not already passed.

They have the GOP and billionaires on their side. And that does not count a compliant media to help them. As voter suppression and gerrymandering and they believe they cannot be stopped. Look at 2010 and 2014. They cleaned the clocks of secular humanist and pro democracy candidates.

There is a damned fundamental church on just about every corner that pays no taxes, plays politics and screws the rest of us. They don't support social security, Medicare, medicaid, health insurance for millions, welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance, retiring with dignity, labor laws, etc etc. They eternally and unequivocally want to eliminate LGBT people or make their lives so miserable they convert. They think women should be permanently pregnant and should STFU.

They are beyond arrogant and incorrigible.

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Does Anyone Think These Protests Are Going To Change Anything. They Are Just Going To Double Down. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 OP
Doing nothing will not change anything gratuitous Mar 2015 #1
The Point Of My OP Is That The Radical Christians Need To Be Confronted. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #8
I have no idea of your strategy will work; maybe worth a serious try-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #26
So what church did you protest at this morning? former9thward Mar 2015 #28
Then we must triple down on their asses! We need to eliminate campaign contributions so we Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #22
But if these protests are coupled with boycotts and the businesses start hurting they will care. jwirr Mar 2015 #2
If I'm not mistaken the law creating this controversy intends to shield business owners Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #20
In Arizona we boycotted the state so that included all businesses. jwirr Mar 2015 #23
I live in AZ and no business cared about a boycott. former9thward Mar 2015 #29
Then why did Jan Brewer not sign it? jwirr Mar 2015 #30
The boycott was over SB 1070. former9thward Mar 2015 #31
Not if people that the businesses are willing to serve also participate in the boycott. PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #27
Action doesn't produce a guarenteed outcome. stone space Mar 2015 #3
It won't change the minds of the true believers... TDale313 Mar 2015 #4
Sit down and shut up Mr. Gandhi. You too, Mrs. Parks, No, not there. CBGLuthier Mar 2015 #5
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Mar 2015 #11
Protests don't work anymore than voting or sending money to your Cleita Mar 2015 #6
If it were not for these protests, I would have had to move from Arizona, Zorra Mar 2015 #7
Feynman Willem Mar 2015 #9
/\_/\_And This_/\_/\ Scuba Mar 2015 #13
See post 8 F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #16
no, protests wont make them change their bbgrunt Mar 2015 #10
Yes they will change things Kalidurga Mar 2015 #12
Protests aren't meant to change the minds of those being protested. Scuba Mar 2015 #14
What's the point in opening the minds of the minority? Because they are, you know. jtuck004 Mar 2015 #17
Half the electorate doesn't vote, and that's who protests need to awaken. Scuba Mar 2015 #25
Yes and No Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #15
https://thatsmyphilosophy.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/7-mountains.jpg blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #18
It does not matter the bigots need to be called out exposed and punished economically anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #19
Don't give a crap about their minds, myself. 99Forever Mar 2015 #21
"The arc of history is long but it bends toward justice." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #24

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Doing nothing will not change anything
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:25 AM
Mar 2015

But go hide under your bed while the rest of us fight for a country we can be proud of.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
8. The Point Of My OP Is That The Radical Christians Need To Be Confronted.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

That means targeting and protesting the churches themselves. Make THEM uncomfortable as the go to their churches. The protests are important but they will be more effective if those people most responsible are confronted. Like protest the offices of the legislators who voted for the law and their churches themselves.

The church pushing this hate agenda are fair game and they should be loudly criticized and ridiculed for their Iron Age beliefs. Start refusing to help or aid these fundy Christian. Discriminate AGAINST THEM when they go places. Show THEM what real persecution is like.

The point of my OP is that these fundamentalists will just continue until we attack and protest candidates they support. And let them complain about being persecuted. Shut down their game. QUESTION THEIR TWISTED BELIEFS.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
26. I have no idea of your strategy will work; maybe worth a serious try--
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:22 AM
Mar 2015

but I suspect that it will just feed into their sense of martyrdom & persecution.

In any case, I should think a protest like that is not aimed at the people being protested, but at everyone else, making them aware of the crazies.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
22. Then we must triple down on their asses! We need to eliminate campaign contributions so we
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:48 AM
Mar 2015

can get back to electing OUR Representatives! Bust up the media oligarchies who hype the hate and partisianship. Things will not change unless we do something about it. It's the people that say it's too hard, or it won't work that hold it back.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
20. If I'm not mistaken the law creating this controversy intends to shield business owners
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:19 AM
Mar 2015

from civil actions if they refuse to serve customers they don't approve of. Wouldn't a boycott just be backhandedly giving those businesses what they seek?

"You can't refuse to serve me because I boycott you!"

I'm not saying don't make your thoughts and feelings know; I'm just saying that's kinda what it looks like.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
29. I live in AZ and no business cared about a boycott.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:38 AM
Mar 2015

The state continued its economic expansion and it continued to be the state which has one of the biggest population growth rates. Boycotts do not work in this age. Too many customers will not participate.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
27. Not if people that the businesses are willing to serve also participate in the boycott.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:25 AM
Mar 2015

For example if there are cake bakers that won't bake cakes for same-sex weddings they will certainly be
hurt if opposite-sex wedding cake customers stop shopping there.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
4. It won't change the minds of the true believers...
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:35 AM
Mar 2015

It can change the minds/actions of those in power (like Pence) who are kissing up to them cause they're more afraid of the Fundies than any backlash. Pence is apparently already walking this back based on the reaction- pretending he didn't mean for this to codify discrimination and suggestion more legislation to clarify this fact.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Protests don't work anymore than voting or sending money to your
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:40 AM
Mar 2015

candidate of choice works anymore. The PTBs have neutralized all our voices. The only legal recourse any of us have left is to sue the pants off of them. It is actually working in some sectors. I think for every bad thing done to us, the proletariat, we need to sue. We need to get some lawyers to help us pro bono and learn actually how to file lawsuits with the courts and bring them in front of judge and if necessary, jury. Then go after everyone who wrongs us, from corrupt government offices to banks, insurance companies and churches.

Frankly, though I would like to start with the MIC. Every kid who comes back mutilated from our overseas corrupt wars should just sue every single one of the MIC for their injuries and ruined lives.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
7. If it were not for these protests, I would have had to move from Arizona,
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:42 AM
Mar 2015

because I refuse to live under the intolerable conditions where ignorant christofascists can legally humiliate me at will, with impunity.

 

Willem

(12 posts)
9. Feynman
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:13 AM
Mar 2015

I,perhaps not verbatim, remember reading about a short conversation between the mega scientists Feynman and Dirac.

D: what are you working on?
F: mesons.
D: it must be difficult.
F: one must try.

One must try and that is all you need to know.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
10. no, protests wont make them change their
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:49 AM
Mar 2015

minds, but perhaps it will stuff them back into their backwaters. They have been emboldened by recent victories and no longer understand that they represent a very small, perverted viewpoint.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
12. Yes they will change things
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:58 AM
Mar 2015

It depends on how much the RW doubles down though. They will at some point overplay their hand and they will be seen for what they are. They don't have many groups to attack left. I know of one person at least that has changed his opinion on RWers and now gets that they are actually insane he loves his union now and gets that Republicans lie.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
14. Protests aren't meant to change the minds of those being protested.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:01 AM
Mar 2015

They're meant to open the minds of those who aren't paying attention.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
17. What's the point in opening the minds of the minority? Because they are, you know.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:47 AM
Mar 2015

I agree with you, but in this case the bad actors far outnumber the decent people who would act otherwise. And the bad actors think they are called to act that way by their ghost, which means they are willing to set the place on fire rather than act decently.

In the 50s-60s those protests were designed to do exactly what you suggest because the thought (correctly) was that people were staying back, and the protests shamed them into acting.

That is not the case here. These people are motivated to hate, and their emotional connection to their imaginary deity makes them able to withstand significant pressure, up to and including a lot of financial pain. And in the process of that if it hurts others, they will simply rationalize the need so they can "win" their battle.

There needs to be effort, and I think some protest is necessary for education and to motivate, but I think it is going to take much more in this case. Disorganizing them, make sure their power is disrupted for sure.

But this battle is going to require more, it is going to go on for years, and, frankly, I think their side is most likely going to get stronger and hurt a lot of people before we can even think about things getting better.

I hope I am not just too optimistic.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
15. Yes and No
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:43 AM
Mar 2015

Yes: as they will move business away from these areas. I have already cancelled my plans for an Indiana vacation this year and let their Tourism Bureau know that (and I hope more do just that). Yes, it will allow people to move their business to areas where they feel more comfortable. Yes, in that it proves there are consequences for actions.

No, in that it will not change the minds of those who pursued this absurd law.

 

anotojefiremnesuka

(198 posts)
19. It does not matter the bigots need to be called out exposed and punished economically
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:52 AM
Mar 2015

Indiana wants to be a bigoted state OK they can do it with out my money.



99Forever

(14,524 posts)
21. Don't give a crap about their minds, myself.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:27 AM
Mar 2015

What I KNOW to be affective, is changing that state's businesses bank accounts. Put some of the fools out of business and see how vested they are in their bigoted stupidity.

The fundies can all go f**k themselves for all I care about them and their ridiculous beliefs in magic and ancient myths.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
24. "The arc of history is long but it bends toward justice."
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:52 AM
Mar 2015

Oh, and money talks...Discrimination is bad for business...

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