Sorry folks, I'm just not feeling HRC.

[jaysunb]

Great American in all respects, but if she's the nominee, we will see a GOP controlled government.

[hrmjustin]

1. I am more optimistic about her chances.

[hrmjustin]

42. Your concern is noted.

[hrmjustin]

44. I like it.

[daredtowork]

70. Arrow is pointing backward

Into the past. Underscoring that Hillary is a conservative in Democrat's clothing. Sigh.

[Agschmid]

2. Well that's a defeatist attitude.

If she is the nominee of course...

[onehandle]

3. We have a 'GOP controlled government' right now.

My guess is that Hillary's coattails will win back at least the Senate, if not the House as well.

[davidn3600]

34. Can't win the House the way the districts are drawn

Retaking the House would take a tsunami. The way the GOP has the districts drawn, they have practically assured themselves a majority.

We can start to undo the damage in 2020 if we can win state-level elections in the South.

[still_one]

60. The house will be very difficult because of the Gerrymanderying

[Warren DeMontague]

74. That is true.

I think the Senate map for '16 is fairly favorable, though.

[DURHAM D]

4. I'm feeling it...

I already put out my "Hillary for President" yard sign.

[Calista241]

5. I'm sure the paid Hillary consultants will be here en masse to convince you otherwise. n/t

[jaysunb]

6. LOL ! It won't help. n/t

[RealityAdvocate]

7. Yep. Win or lose with Hillary, there will be dark days ahead.

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”
-Truman

And Hillary damn sure tries to ride the fence.

[840high]

33. Truman!!!!

[DFW]

8. Depends on who the Republican nominee is

Also if her campaign makes any serious mistakes.

The Republicans had better come up with Mr. "None-Of-The-Above" if they want the White House back, as it stands now. All they have so far is three whackos and one "Not-ANOTHER-Bush."

[Art_from_Ark]

75. The Republicans don't need a sane candidate

They just need one who can manipulate and be manipulated.

[DFW]

86. Plus they start with a great handicap

Forty per cent of voters in the USA will blindly vote the Republican ticket even if it consists of the ghosts of Hitler and Mussolini.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Yeah, Cruz or some other teabag crackpot

will certainly be better choice.

I share your distress.

[jaysunb]

11. "Distress ?" Where did that come from ?

I will enthusiastically vote for the democratic nominee...I just hope it's not HRC.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. The thought of a GOP controlled government doesn't distress you?

Yeah, right.............

[RichGirl]

25. You may be more enthusiastic about...

...voting for Hillary if you think back to the 2000 election. It's dems who voted for Nader who got us Bush.

[jaysunb]

26. Please see post # 11 n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

79. No, it was the shenanigans in Florida

and the US Supreme Court, among other things, that got us Bush.

Katherine Harris, Bush's campaign co-chair in Florida, stopped counting the votes before all were counted, and the USSC let that stand.

[Chisox08]

10. I'm not feeling it either I hope someone good runs against her in the primary

As of right now it is the candidate from Goldman Sachs vs either the candidate from Chase, Bank of America, Koch Industries or Arkham Asylum.

[oldandhappy]

12. Wondering if you are feeling Cruz or Paul?

??

[jaysunb]

13. See post # 11. n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

14. Rand Paul

The choice of Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange.

[Stellar]

15. I feel nothing special about it either.

But I tell you one thing...I don't have to be thrilled to keep the GOtP from winning it all. I will definitely hold my nose and vote for Hillary in the end if there is not another Democrat in the race with her. But NO MATTER WHAT I Will vote for a Democrat in the end.

[liberal N proud]

16. So which GOP clown is acceptable over Hillary?

That is in all likelihood the out come if Hillary is not supported from the left should she receive the nomination.

[jaysunb]

20. There are no GOP'ers running in the democratic primary. n/t

[daredtowork]

71. If Hillary wants support from the left

she can start presenting a platform that includes the left in her version of the Democratic party instead of "triangulating" the left into the "wingnut fringe" where they can't even hold on to basics like food stamps. Then we can talk.

[MineralMan]

17. Say, thanks for letting us know.

Do keep us informed of other breaking news, won't you?

[jaysunb]

23. OK :) n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. It will all come down to who the GOP nominates.

I think a D wins against all but Jebbie.

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. ...or more appropriately, "what" they nominate.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. ...

[beaglelover]

22. I don't agree at all.

[realFedUp]

27. Jaysun

Long time......you are never going to feel her, have a beer with her or dance with her. Get over it. Use your brain.

[jaysunb]

29. Hey old friend ! Happy to hear from you !

I continue to say that I will be an enthusiastic supporter of the democratic nominee. I just hope it's someone other than HRC. Kinda like you were back in 07 and 08, when your disdain and dislike for Obama was well documented. But I'm going to assume you voted for him. That's where I'm at right now.

And if you're still in the area, I hope you will consider voting for Jacque Robinson for Mayor.

[brooklynite]

28. And which alternative Democrat can beat the Republican candidate?

I'm guessing a self-identified Socialist won't be the one.

[jaysunb]

30. Maybe Jim Webb n/t

[Cha]

31. What I know about Jim Webb is that he is hell on the environment.. one of our most important issues

imo, jay

Jim Webb Wants to Be President. Too Bad He's Awful on Climate Change.

snip//

"But when it came to actual legislation, Webb used his six years in the US Senate to stand in the way of Democratic efforts to combat climate change. Virginia, after all, is a coal state, and Webb regularly stood up for the coal industry, earning the ire of environmentalists. As Grist's Ben Adler succinctly summed it up, "Jim Webb sucks on climate change"

snip//

But Webb's opposition to major climate initiatives wasn't limited to executive action. In 2008, Democrats (and a few Republicans) in Congress tried to pass a cap-and-trade bill that was intended to slow global warming by putting a price on carbon emissions. The bill would have likely been vetoed by then-President George W. Bush, but it never got that far. Webb was part of a cohort of Senate Democrats who blocked the measure. "We need to be able to address a national energy strategy and then try to work on environmental efficiencies as part of that plan," Webb told Politico at the time. "We can't just start with things like emission standards at a time when we're at a crisis with the entire national energy policy."

MOre
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/jim-webb-climate-change

[zappaman]

32. Wtf?

Good to know!

[jaysunb]

35. I think his environmental record needs to be closely looked at and

other aspects that may not fall into line with my/our progressive agenda, as well. But candidates tend to adopt positions close enough to the center to be able to go in the direction of the governed.
Many have asked why I like this guy and have presented many reasons why I should not, but here it is. " I do not want to see a republican in the White House again in my lifetime and the best way to keep that from happing is to regain the vote of working white males/ They(for the most part ) believe in a progressive agenda but are peer pressured into expressing real and imagined grievances by voting against their self interest.
But, just like with Clinton and Carter, they can identify with a southern white male without the guilt trip from the absolute loonies. I wish this country were not so polarized and people were motivated to do right by it , but it's not.
Finally, I'm of the belief that, there are others not named Bush or Clinton that can lead the nation.

[Cha]

52. All I can say is at this point.. I'm really going to miss

President Obama and his family!

And,

Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka
Follow
Memo to announced and potential 2016 Democratic candidates: You will not win us by dissing President Barack Obama's accomplishments.
12:55 PM - 12 Apr 2015 74 Retweets 70 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/12/democrat-or-republican-obamacare-has-your-back/#comments

[jaysunb]

53. Amen !! n/t

[a kennedy]

89. I hear ha Cha, gonna miss them too.

was always just so proud of him, proud to call him POTUS.

[Major Hogwash]

56. Webb can be excused for that, the same way Hillary's vote for the Iraq War will be.

Even though the Iraq War killed a lot of people in real life, Webb's opposition to that bill never prevented that particular bill from being offered in the House that year and then being sent to the Senate, and then on to President DipShit, who would have vetoed it anyway.

[merrily]

78. Not only a vote, but Hillary' ADVOCACY for the Iraq War.

You are mistaken if you think everyone in the US and Iraq is going to forgive that irremediable disaster and/or her very belated admission that she made a mistake, esp. those who lost loved ones.

Let's admit that the people who don't vote for the Republican might vote for Hillary DESPITE her advocacy of the Iraq War because they don't have a lot of options, not to mention low info voters, and leave it at that.

Trying to sell the idea that neocon advocacy for that war is forgiveable just isn't plausible.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I look forward to Jim Webb making Robert E Lee's birthday a federal holiday

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10994.html

But, just like with Clinton and Carter, they can identify with a southern white male without the guilt trip from the absolute loonies.

BTW, the world has changed since 1976, look at the Electoral Map from that yeat:




A Democrat could never carry some of those states of the Old Confederacy without throwing African Americans, Latinos, and glbtq folks under the bus...

Your analysis is beyond flawed.

[jaysunb]

45. We shall see. n/t

[merrily]

76. As you know perfectly well, "Democratic Socialist" is not the same as "Socialist."

And the Democratic Caucus was so happy to have Bernie as a member that the DSCC runs no Dem against him.

Is going that route really the best you can do to respond to the left on behalf of Hillary?

[brooklynite]

82. Unfortunately, the Democratic Caucus won't be voting in the Primary...

...low information voters, as well as voters who are more conservative than the people of Vermont will be. And I don't think for a minute that Clinton will campaign on that, but the Republican nominee certainly will. Do you really think that "no, no, he's a DEMOCRATIC Socialist" is going to be an effective response?

[merrily]

88. None of that explains your insistence on using "Socialist" when you know its incorrect.

And I don't think for a minute that Clinton will campaign on that,

OMG, that's hysterical. FYI, I do remember her 2008 primary campaign against Obama fairly well.

[loyalsister]

36. Me neither

I don't think her candidacy will necessarily throw the WH to the R, but I am annoyed by the arrogance because it reminds me of the invincibles in their 20s who don't think they need to purchase insurance. Only the risk isn't ones personal health and state budget $ but the entire world. I truly do not understand what she's thinking.

[jaysunb]

37. +1 n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

38. She's as about as exciting as underwear on Christmas. nt

[AtomicKitten]

41. or slipper socks

[merrily]

77. To be fair,

I've seen underwear that is exciting.

[Joe the Revelator]

91. That, my friend, is a great point.nt

[Blaukraut]

46. Until someone more in line with my ideals (Who can Win) comes along

I'm pragmatic and sticking with Ms Clinton. Not my first choice, but the candidate I would like to see who fits all of my needs and wants AND can win the election, hasn't shown up yet.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. If it's a Hillary & Jeb race --

he wins, hands down.

[jaysunb]

50. +1 n/t

[lovemydog]

68. Current data has Clinton over Bush

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE Clinton (D) Bush (R) Spread
RCP Average 2/26 - 3/31 -- -- 48.3 40.9 Clinton +7.4
FOX News 3/29 - 3/31 1025 RV 3.0 45 45 Tie
PPP (D) 3/26 - 3/31 989 RV 3.1 46 40 Clinton +6
ABC News/Wash Post 3/26 - 3/29 RV 4.0 53 41 Clinton +12
CNN/Opinion Research 3/13 - 3/15 1009 A 3.0 55 40 Clinton +15
McClatchy/Marist 3/1 - 3/4 514 RV 4.3 49 42 Clinton +7
Quinnipiac 2/26 - 3/2 1286 RV 2.7 45 42 Clinton +3
Rasmussen Reports 2/28 - 3/1 1000 LV 3.0 45 36 Clinton +9
All General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Polling Data

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html

[lovemydog]

66. What is the basis for that opinion?

Thanks in advance.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

90. Several things.

Clinton comes with serious, national baggage. Short of his family name, there is little Jeb has going against him on the national scene. There are plenty of conservative Dems who would have no problem crossing the line to vote for Bush -- he appears "moderate" enough to appeal to the mushy Middle. Add in the fact that she is HATED by many with a white hot passion. Those in the GOP/Indies who are not Bush fans but hate Hillary will hold their noses and vote for Jeb simply to stop Clinton. Finally, Hillary does not have her husband's charm or O's ability to inspire to help her ride out the tough spots in her campaign.

The biggest thing that could upset that is if Bush campaigns like he doesn't have a fire in his belly -- like his Pop during his 2nd run. That could change things.

[flvegan]

48. I'm behind the nominee wearing a D.

I disagree with your post.

[jaysunb]

49. Maybe you should READ my post. N/t

[flvegan]

51. I did READ your post.

I appreciate your unsupported emotional OP.

[jaysunb]

57. The OP is a personal opinion. nothing more, nothing less.

But, then again, you knew that.

[The_Casual_Observer]

54. Hillary will see me safely into retirement. Unlike any other sob out there. It's a fact.

[merrily]

55. I would hope not. Feeling Hillary would be wildly inappropriate.

Public figures need their personal space, just as we do.

(Just an attempt to lighten the mood.)

[jaysunb]

59. Well, I've already shook her hand, so I can say

I've already, "felt her."

[still_one]

58. pray tell how do you come to that conclusion, assuming she is the Democratic nominee?

Could it be that you have a personal bias against her?

hmmmmmm

[jaysunb]

61. Did you bother to read what I wrote ?

I said I had great respect for her and will certainly vote for her if she's the democratic nominee, but I hope she is NOT the nominee. Get it ?

[brooklynite]

62. Because you offered a conclusion without evidence or analysis?

[jaysunb]

64. Ok, I'll play

And I quote, " it is my opinion [/b ]that, if Hillary Clinton, is our party's nominee, we will lose the race for the Presidency."

I hope this helps.

[still_one]

65. Let's analyze your OP. "Great American in all respects, but if she's the nominee, we will see a GOP

controlled government."

So what did I do? Oh heaven forbid, I poised the question why do you believe that to be the case?

How dare I ask such a question? I must not have understood your post.

No I understood it perfectly well, and responded by asking you why?

Now I see you say it was just an opinion without any specific reasons.

that is brilliant

At least most of the "Hillary can't win threads" on DU give reasons why they think that is so

[jaysunb]

67. Please stop. I'm going to vote for her if she's the nominee. n/t

[still_one]

69. I just wanted to know your reasoning why you think she would use. I never even implied that you

would or would NOT vote for her. Just wondering if there was a basis why you think she will lose against a GOP candidate

Please have a good day, I think we have both had our say

[dem in texas]

63. Vote for the Democrat!

When Obama ran against her, I voted for Obama in the primary because I could not forgive HRC for voting to go to war in Iraq. This time it looks like she will end up being the Democrat running for President and she will have my full support. It is so vital that a Democrat is elected because of the Supreme Court. If a Republican wins, we will see more Scalia types appointed. The Supreme Court as it stands now sucks and has made some very bad rulings If we can get more liberals appointed to the ones who will surely be retiring during the next President's term, maybe we'll get some better rulings.

[Warren DeMontague]

72. Surprisingly enough, here it is early April 2015 and I haven't made up my mind yet as to who I will

support in the primaries.

Shocking, I know! Guess I'm just a slowpoke.

I am, and will remain, open to being convinced by HRC to support her in the primaries. (Standard caveat: If she is the nominee, I will support her, as I will any other Dem) I'm going to see what she says, where she sits on issues. That's what matters, to this voter.

It seems like light-years away, now, but back early in the '08 cycle I was supporting Kucinich, at first. That is how far to the pissed-off "fringe" left side of the map, Bush had driven me. I came late to the Obama party that year, although I do remember being blown away by his 2004 keynote.

So.... who knows.

[merrily]

80. The standard disclaimer is unnecessary and, in my view,

counter-producteive for those who want to see a healthy, genuine primary (though I doubt we'll get one, no matter what). But the McCarthy tactics re: the loyalty oath only make them more confident that they need never worry about the left "because the left has nowhere else to go."

I very much doubt whether any D, especially those in power, much cares how hard you or I might have to hold our noses while we vote D, as long as we vote D. Even many of the posts here are geared toward that.

Supreme Court and she's not a registered Republican anymore is what many of them of them seem to boil down to. Be still my heart! With reasons like that, I can barely wait to get on line to vote.

If it's needed:


'

[Fearless]

73. Great may be pushing it slightly.

[ZM90]

81. Then maybe you should be this guy!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/821/586/75b. jpg
But then again Shulk's always really feeling it!

In all seriousness Hillary Clinton is not my first choice honestly someone like Warren (not running) or Sanders is but I will vote for her if she is the nominee because we cannot afford to let a Republician in the White House.

Edit: The image would not show up so I had to seperate the URL.

[gollygee]

83. Let's see who else runs

I have no opinion until I see who all is running.

[randome]

84. Despite what The Accusers would have you believe, you're not required to go ga-ga over her.

Just vote for the Democratic nominee when the time comes, okay? And no, the GOP will make no gains in 2016.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[beachbum bob]

85. in 17 months you will see how wrong you are in your assessment

just saying...the GOP needs more than angry white men votes to win on the national scale and if hillary names elizabeth warren as her VP....the base is solidified and we have an all female ticket of high energy that will bring people into the democratic fold and we will see Congress return to democrats

[HughBeaumont]

87. I ain't feeling her either.

But as much as I dislike yet another non-progressive president who favors increasing visas at a time where tech employment is crap, I REALLY hate the idea of a 7-2 Opus Dei SCOTUS, which would fucker human and labor rights for decades. Face it; four justices are on the wrong side of their seventies. Jeb or any of the TeaHadi clown car would fill each of those spots with Roberts/Alito: The Sequel.

This is one shit menu American politics has been dealt. Barring a miracle, the purse strings are gone thanks to gerrymandering shenanigans. There's a chance the Senate will return to Democratic control in 2016. Fact is, there are simply not enough progressives with any kind of voice in any branch that's needed to get some real accomplishments put forth.

[JonLeibowitz]

92. Kick. Good post. I'm glad you truly feel the way you do. n/t

[jaysunb]

93. That's cute and all, but not only has things changed in terms of

who's running, but who we are running against.

Nice catch though...