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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow many of you spend any time on right-wing dominated message boards?
Some of you already get it, but some of you need to do that.
Seriously.
I do and the shit I come across is remarkable.
They do want poor people to die without ACA. They do want poor people to die by taking away their food-stamps or whatever support they get.
They do think that corporations are far more trustworthy than for instance the EPA.
Really, they do!
They laugh at me, as if I am the idiot, when I tell them there is NO historical reason for our government to be a christian government.
They are beside themselves when I tell them there is separation.
The list goes on, I can add to it.
They vote.
No, not kidding, they do.
CTyankee
(63,888 posts)I know what the repukes are gonna be doing...predictable as hell...right on cue...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I used to seriously try to debate them on social media or even in person, facts absolutely do not matter. I gave up fighting with them and started fighting for what I believe in.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I figure we have an uphill battle
closeupready
(29,503 posts)their vile poison so that 'know thy enemy' - I know them very well, thanks, and that's all I need to know. I'd rather spend precious time on uplifting things, positive vibes, amongst friends and liberals and progressives.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I can barely sit through a Daily Show skit if it involves clips from Fox
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)I can't stand being around that kind of clueless bullshit.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)and this particular small town would make those people sound like geniuses. I don't need to go on a message board to hear what idiot conservatives think and say. I live in the belly of the beast. And yes, you are right. They really do think that way...and much worse that you haven't heard.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)need to hear it, I think.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I used to visit to see what passed for thought on the other side, though I never joined and tried to roll play a neanderthal.
onecaliberal
(32,776 posts)Too bad they don't get all those thing they hope for others. They are vile, hateful people. It's beyond sad.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)The internet is t escape from them.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I write this OP about what I found;
I've reached the conclusion that we - that is, DU and the Left community at large - have made a pretty big error regarding these people. You think they're bad? I've discovered that they're much worse.
Go to any thread on DU (or your choice of left-leaning site) that talks about something a conservative is doing. You'll find people divining what that conservative is doing. "He wants to increase corporate power," or "they want to expand war in the middle east," or "she wants to make Christianity compulsory in schools." We take their actions and we examine them, and we assign motive. We approach those actions to try to figure them out, with the assumption that the people involved are behaving in some rational way.
Take for instance the frequently-wondered question, "why does the conservative 'base' consistently vote against their own self-interests?" It seems like a totally irrational thing to do, right, voting against your own interests? So we've come up with a narrative that helps us make sense of this phenomena; "the Republican party scares them with blacks / gays / muslims," or "the fundies think Republicans will 'save the babies'," or, of course "they just aren't educated about it." We rationalize their actions, in other words.
We're wrong. Dead wrong. Our assumption - that no matter how odd or self-destructive the behavior, conservatives have some rationale for it - is completely misbegotten. There is no "conservative plan." There is no agenda. There's no over-arching narrative from the right. if the Democrats are "playing chess," as the phrase goes, then I am absolutely certain it's a solo game, because there's nobody home on the other side of the board.
Let me be blunt. The conservatives are driven exclusively by hatred. There's nothing rational about it. Their only goal (if it can be called that) is to cause pain and distress, because they enjoy it. Even if it's their own. Sometimes especially if it's their own. Theirs is a worldview based around sadism. At every turn, they will with 100% certainly take the action that causes the most injury to the most people. They can always be counted on to say and do the things that will cause the deepest offense and pain. Not because they're clueless. Not because they're misguided. Not because they're "trolls." There is no "lol u mad bro?" at the end of what a conservative does. They're perfectly sincere in their desire to inflict and enjoy suffering.
When I say there is no conservative plan, I mean that. It's a sort of optical illusion. it's all these people, some with power, most without, all trying to get their jollies off by causing harm. Some methods are more effective than others, and so there tends to be a gravitation towards such things that gives the appearance of an "agenda" - but in truth it's a whole lot of random motherfuckers doing whatever it takes to get their "fix" for that moment.
The conservative voter voting against his best-interest isn't behaving with any sort of rationale. He's not ill-informed, he's not deluded, he's simply trying to get that fix; it's junkie logic. "If I vote this way, a lot of people will suffer for it, and that makes me happy. I'll suffer too, but that just gives me more fuel to hate with."
And no mincing here. I really do mean all conservatives. There are no "good guys" left over there. No straggling holdouts. The conservative movement has spent nearly forty years purging its ranks of any sort of reason, intellectualism, or empathic individuals, and has been growing more shrill, more hateful, and more harmful the entire time. If someone says, "I am a conservative," then they are simply hoping you will give them the benefit of the doubt that they 'aren't like those other guys' in order to make it easier for them to find some way to stab you and laugh. It always comes out that way.
We need to reconsider our approach. There really is no educating conservatives at this point. There's no way to engage in meaningful debate with a person who has defined their existence by expressing hatred. There's no way to compromise with someone whose only goal is to hurt you. They're lost causes, and we need to work around, rather than trying to engage.
I found the environment too toxic to bother with. I still keep an eye on a pair of loony forums, but no longer bother with te "mainstream" conservative ones.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)He would say that the republicans exist solely to cause human misery and death.
I think he was right, so are you.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And I don't restrict myself to saying "Republicans." i say conservatives, i mean conservatives. Though, in all truth, they're not conservative - but you use the phrase "reactionary reductionists" and people just give you confused looks...
They seem to think they "win" the game if they punish the other side more than they get punished.
byronius
(7,389 posts)Beauty.
marym625
(17,997 posts)There's enough out there to tell me what they think. I don't have to subject myself to them on that level. Though I admire your ability to do so.
The ones that can understand, have ulterior motives to be so ridiculous. The ones that cannot understand will continue to repeat talking points from rush, beck and fox.
It's scary enough in here sometimes
How's your Facebook page doing?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)It'll start growing faster.
you guys are doing a great thing.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I'm on a board called Orthodox Christianity.net. The private section of the board, open only to those approved by the board host, is a cesspool of neo-Nazis, young guys who want to kill their ex-girlfriends, and one guy who insists we can bring slavery back, if we just "make it just." I did not make that up.
The politics board wasn't always so bad. But thanks to some changes in the moderators, they've almost completely stopped regulating anything. I have asked to be removed from Politics several times. The mod who's supposed to do that never gets back to me.
In the public section of the board, we talk about church, work, family, regular things. Almost everyone in the politics section is nuts, though.
LeftInTX
(25,106 posts)among Orthodox Christians.
Did any ever own slaves?
shenmue
(38,506 posts)The pro-slavery weirdo is a prospective convert. He's about 32 or so. I really hope he does not say the same type of stuff in a crowded bar someday...
LeftInTX
(25,106 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)LeftInTX
(25,106 posts)ABC News, Politico and City-Data forum are full of RW trolls. I've lurked at Redstate.
Every time a cop shoots someone they applaud the cop. When issues about the death penalty come up they advocate firing squads. Obama has all sorts confounded names. People are even applauding that guy in California who wants to execute gays. The list goes on and on and on.
If I had the guts to post in a RW forum, I would pretend to be the ultimate RWinger and try to confuse them from the Right.
However, Kudos to you for going into the snake-pit. I couldn't do it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's crazy.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Life is better not biting your tongue debating educationally challenged, gun loving, greedy, often racist haters.
world wide wally
(21,736 posts)the right wing station when the progressive station has commercials. That is all I can really handle!
And hence
see my signature line. I wrote it in one of those moments of extreme clarity which only pissed me off.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)they are fucked up. I have an ex-wife and cousins who are like that.
Today I posted that coming out video, that someone posted on DU, on facebook because I thought it was great. My ex and a cousin then posted rosary beads from the Catholic Store right after I posted the video.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Don't see the need, although occasionally I have wandered over to gawk at something on FR or Red State if someone points out a must-see over there.
Appreciate those who regularly risk all to bring back choice Freak Shows from the Dark Side. Never really had the stomach for slasher films, though.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I use our Admins sister site. Discussionist has enough of them to get a taste of their insanity. It can get irritating as hell reading some of the bullshit. But I'm happy to counter it. They'll post some truly outrageous stuff just to get a rise out of the left leaning posters. It's rather like a game to them.
Snow Leopard
(348 posts)I like to hear all perspectives, even the infuriating ones. It can being tiring but so can the "left ", but I find it much less so .
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I don't need to pay any attention to RWers at all, their thought processes all follow the same basic ignorant, malicious pattern. I already know what they think, and what they are going to think long before they even think it, and it's all nothing but dangerous, childish, rancid bullshit.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)having been poor most of my life I do not need them to tell me what they want for the poor. I don't see how you can stand to actually talk to them.
Runningdawg
(4,509 posts)I need to keep an eye on them, so yes, I do read R wing forums. Some days all I can handle is one or two threads. Honestly I have seen some of these same people posting for YEARS. Shit that should have gotten them a visit with the Secret Service many times over. The most important thing I have learned? For every idiot that spews hate online there are a dozen more who don't have the balls to speak out and just quietly mouth amen.
Right now I am having to deal with people who feel like discussing the Bates/Harris shooting in public. I hear comments daily to the tune of "gotta flush the gene pool" "some people just need killing" "should have killed his whole family" " (X) think they are better than us since they got a (X) in office, got to keep'em in line" and my favorite "God is punishing his children in OK for allowing the fags and (X) to take over".
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I would jump right in the fray...and just when you'd think they couldn't get any worse, guess what?
I don't debate much anymore, it's just not worth it. But I do read them, I stay up to date on all the nuttiness they're talking about.
One thing is for sure, the vote, they don't care who their person/people are, as long as it ain't no 'libbie' they'll vote for them. Seems the crazier the better...
treestar
(82,383 posts)I would not say they want poor people to die. Deluded as they are, they believe the unregulated free market will prevent that. They seem to want to believe and then convince themselves there is always paying work to get and if you can't find that you can start a business a la Horatio Alger.
They believe charity will take care of the poor, as if that were still possible, or ever worked. They may truly believe it though.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Those people are scumbags. Pure and simple.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)That's why I firmly support Hillary. Reading those boards gives me a very clear understanding of what's at stake. Hillary is far from perfect but she's our best chance to win. And we NEED to win.
Johonny
(20,818 posts)Almost every site that offers news has a message board filled with RW chatter. It takes usually about 5 comments maximum before someone rants about Obama no matter what the subject of the story is. I believe there is a mental illness at play. I'd weep for these people but their F-d up voting record screws us all.
bvf
(6,604 posts)A few years of reading alt.politics.limbaugh on Usenet many years ago told me all I needed to know.
I may be showing my age here.
tavernier
(12,368 posts)either. Same thing.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)and they thought it was hell." Mostly Twitter now days.
czarjak
(11,253 posts)It's good for a laugh to brighten your day. (Or a good cry if you think too hard about what your fellow Americans are really like.)
frylock
(34,825 posts)just follow the feeds from any number of infotainment and media outlets. They're lousy with low info bagger types. They'll usually get their asses handed to them at places like Gawker or Salon, but I had to unfollow TPM. There was an infestation of "Libertarians".
3catwoman3
(23,943 posts)I've tried, based on the "gotta know what the other side is saying" notion, but I just can't do it. Having one's blood pressure shoot up and wanting to puke at the same time is not a good state of affairs.