When the National Guard and/or federal assistance is sent in when a cop kills a black man

[marym625]

And when the police department, union, etc excuse it and the prosecutor fails to indict, I will give a shit what happens to a corporate store or police vehicles.

Rubber bullets, tear gas, deployment of militarized police instead of stopping the systematic violence by police across America, is inexcusable and just asking for problems.

So fuck that noise.

There is absolutely no excuse for the continued, systematic racism and murder of young black men, the poor and the mentally ill. The incarceration of so very many people for so very long is part of the corpocracy we now live in.

Something has to happen to wake people and the government up. Peaceful protest has gotten us nowhere. Time after time after time we see atrocities, murders, on video and nothing is done. Even in the rare case that someone is charged, just turn around and tomorrow you'll see it again. 

So just fuck the noise that we should be upset that poor CVS was looted and burned. Fuck that noise that we should be angry with protesters that a poor money grubbing "banking" check cashing company that basically rapes a neighborhood is destroyed

I do not advocate destroying a neighborhood, a small, mom and pop business, or anyone being physically harmed. But if this shit keeps up, it will be much worse than what we have seen in decades. Maybe ever.

As Al Jeezera reporters just said, this is war. The reporter that was beaten by the police, for no reason, in Baltimore is on the ground for Al Jeezera.

[marym625]

2. my what?

[marym625]

5. I just said

That I don't advocate burning down or looting mom and pop businesses. But frankly, at this point, I really don't care. I am so angry that this keeps happening. This is such complete and total bullshit that people are killed every 28 hours. Something has to happen and obviously peaceful protest, and even video evidence of murder, makes no difference.

[Stellar]

11. I feel and understand your pain.

I feel the same way. They keep killing the babies for no reason and pay no consequences. It seems like a free for all on black bodies. All they have to do is join the police department.

[marym625]

13. exactly

And it has to end. It just has to

[Dont call me Shirley]

23. It must stop, marym. STOP the killing!

[marym625]

24. .

[Nye Bevan]

4. How big does a business have to be for it to be OK to destroy it?

What about a family owned private business with several locations? Burn it, or spare it? Is there an annual dollar turnover figure above which you would advocate burning it down?

[upaloopa]

6. How many young men need to be killed?

How disadvantaged does a community have to be before anyone cares?

You have move complacent people off their places of comfort.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. "You have move complacent people off their places of comfort."

Which side of the barricades are we trying to move them to? Because right now the people whose safety, homes and livelihoods are being threatened are calling for the police and want the police empowered to protect them.

[NOLALady]

18. Of Course.

They want the police to protect them from their children. The police have shown that they can do a bang up job of protecting the neighborhoods from unarmed children.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. That's not even coherent in relation to what I wrote.

The people being victimized by the rioters are just that, victims of the riots. You're trying to play them off as sympathetic to ending police violence. Some may very well have such sympathies. If that is the case then that should doubly damn the rioters, not excuse them. And regardless of anyone's standing on the issue they don't deserve to have their lives threatened and livelihoods destroyed by what will probably prove out to be nothing more than self-serving opportunists.

[NOLALady]

47. I have not heard

anyone excusing the rioters.

I am not trying to play off anything. I know that rioting will not stop police violence. There were riots in the 60s. Police violence has gotten worse, not better since the 60s.

But, I understand the reason they are rioting. While some may be self-serving opportunists, I believe that people will riot once they lose faith in the system.

[marym625]

19. How about the call to end the murders by cops?

The beatings by cops? The endless racial profiling? The unbelievable number of incarcerations for profit? Why haven't they been screaming for justice as every single day people are wrongly arrested, ticketed, even just pulled over?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. I'm an anarchist; I don't even think there should be cops or a PIC or a state to suppress people.

[marym625]

27. Good to know

If I misunderstood your comment, which it seems I did, I apologize

[7962]

50. NO cops? None at all? And you think that would make things better?

So who would stop people from doing whatever they want?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

63. If there were to be cops they certainly wouldn't be this massive, self-perpetuating state that

protects itself more than it protects the people.

So who would stop people from doing whatever they want?

The people should govern themselves. That obviates the need for police. The people are also their first, best defenders.

[7962]

65. But that sounds just like a vigilante society.

These folks handled the policing themselves too.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

68. And where was this picture taken?

[7962]

116. Dimpur India. Fairly large city with a not so large police force

This man was a suspected rapist. This guy was already in jail and the people simply came and took him. Here's the whole story if you like:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984136/Alleged-rapist-lynched-mob-India-offered-victim-50-quiet-attack.html

Certainly the guy was a shitbag if he was guilty. But you can find stories like this by the dozens in places where the police are non existent or easily overwhelmed. Dont think it cant happen here if we dont have any enforcement.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

118. "you can find stories like this by the dozens in places where the police are non existent..."

One can also find dozens -- oh heck, entire history books -- of the authorities enforcing slavery, segregation, totalitarianism, etc.

At the end of the day it comes down to how each person deciding what kind of person they want to be. The good ones do not need a state, the bad ones are never deterred by the state and, in fact, seek to make the state their own device. The only stupid crooks are those lacking a badge or elective office.

[appalachiablue]

120. Yes it has happened here unfortunately, in the South, the West & elsewhere when prisoners &

people were drug out of jails, homes etc., mainly blacks, Mexicans, Indians, Italians, alleged criminals, whoever by local people who took matters into their own hands. Many instances but you probably know of them.

[7962]

189. Well, yes of course, but not in recent history like the picture.

[pocoloco]

144. Who have always been responsible?

Short answer....Parents!!

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

142. No state?

Then, you believe in survival of the fittest? No great society programs? Do you consider yourself liberal? Progressive?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

145. Being an anarchist does not preclude orgainizing for the betterment of others.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

146. Then you will have the state and all its trappings. :)

An organized group of twenty might just be a commune, but an organized group of several hundred soon becomes a state - the government.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

148. If what we want can only be had with wars and a PIC then we ned to rethink our wants.

[Oktober]

95. This whole thread reeks of NIMBY...

I suspect most wouldn't be cheering if it was their home, business or job.

[7962]

190. Good point

[marym625]

8. Come on Nye.

You know exactly what I am talking about. These are companies that are complicit in the corpocracy.

I don't want this to happen. I want the murders to stop. I want the people here and everywhere that so easily criticize the people in these areas that are so very frustrated and sick to death of being victimized by the system, be as quick and vocal in their criticism of the system, of the police.

I want an announcement from the government that the murders will stop and that the president, Congress, governors and local governments will work non stop until something is agreed upon to stop the senseless murders.

But no. It's always, we will stop the protests, we will stop the looting, we will stop the protesters. But we will do nothing to stop the cause

[PosterChild]

40. My friend in Ferguson . ..

.... had the pizza store he worked at burned down . He's still unemployed .

[blackspade]

41. And how many people have to die at the hands of cops.

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what does the body count have to be before the M$M and our corporate masters focus on the problem long enough for the public to give a shit?

What are the monetary losses of a business compared to the loss of life inflicted by the cops.

This is called blowback. if you take away the ability of a group of people to have a stake in control of their own lives, this is the result.
The bloviating about the 'riots' is a way of diverting attention from the actual problems of our police state.

[marym625]

58. Well said

[mountain grammy]

61. Yes!

[heaven05]

72. +1000

[appalachiablue]

123. +10

[Enthusiast]

154. I agree.

[-none]

169. That is it in a nut-shell

This is called blowback. if you take away the ability of a group of people to have a stake in control of their own lives, this is the result.
The bloviating about the 'riots' is a way of diverting attention from the actual problems of our police state.

Freedom really is when you have nothing left to lose. The problems inflicted on the Blacks in Baltimore are the same as those in Ferguson, or any other place where a segment of society is not being treated fairly by those in power.

[sabrina 1]

113. 'Trickle down looting':

Max Keiser @maxkeiser · 5h 5 hours ago

Trickle down looting.
For every $1 bn. looted by the .001% another $100 gets looted in Baltimore.

How big does a business have to be before it can get away with looting the whole country?

[appalachiablue]

127. Max Keiser hits the mark often-

[Joe Chi Minh]

140. Have you been raising Cain about the daily murders of

black men? Or have you only conceded that it's very, very bad, only to proceed to complain about the pecuniary effects on people whose lives nevertheless were never in jeopardy - never mind on a daily basis?

In other words, just how deeply do you feel outraged by the ongoing police pogrom, or are your words really just blandishments? And your real sympathies with the very racist public, particularly in the southern states, who clearly do not have sympathy with the black community, and seemingly would like to see them 'disappeared', by any means available?

They're straightforward questions. I'm not accusing you, but stating that that is the impression your words and the many posts of other whites give to me. I would be pleased if you could convince me otherwise.

[SwankyXomb]

9. Kicked and Recced

Actually just recced. The kicks I'll save for the teeth of those here spewing the sort of authoritarian crap you'd expect from Free Republic or Disgustionist.

[marym625]

10. Thank you

Truly

[Major Nikon]

131. Results...

On Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:25 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Kicked and Recced
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6576999

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"The kicks I'll save for the teeth of those here spewing..." WTF?? This is way disruptive, insensitive, OTT, and otherwise inappropriate towards DU. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:35 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert; vote to hide.
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Explanation: Teeth-kicking is what authoritarians do to get authority.
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Explanation: Perhaps we should start cleaning up our act before the 2016 election really heats up. Hide it.
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[Enthusiast]

155. +1

[Pooka Fey]

12. Thank you for speaking from the heart

It didn't have to be this way, if our government had given a shit about American citizens and our quality of life and opportunity. Thanks for being inclusive in your post, you remembered that alongside the vicious injustices against our black community, others are also suffering from police violence: the mentally ill - men, women, young children, veterans, the poor, the homeless, many share this injustice and violence of the US militarized and violent police force.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026561270

[marym625]

14. I honestly feel like I am going to break.

And I am a white woman. I don't know how this can keep happening

[Demeter]

39. You aren't alone

on any of those points.

I was 12 when the riots roared through Detroit, and my parents were terrified, since we lived on a main street that the National Guard was patrolling.

Summer school was suspended for a week...I was trying to advance 1/2 year to get on the September schedule...they let me advance, anyway. I never did get past the Civil War in history, though...instead, I got to see it in person.

Seeing the burnt out streets was sobering. It was the beginning of the end for the Motor City, an end that is accelerating now, as the poor are nagged and nibbled and displaced and deprived out to make room for the developers and their grandiose schemes.

It will not end well. Will it end at all? We may not live long enough to see. We have no leadership to combat the Empire, no tactics, no goals even. We need Occupy to return and grow.

[marym625]

42. amen to that!

I have been thinking about Detroit. I am afraid that we will soon see something worse than what we saw at that time. I am dreading what will happen at the democratic national convention.

I watched the police chief of Baltimore say repeatedly that "you will see tear gas. You will see pepper balls" WTF!?

[Novara]

60. I was a little white kid living about 100 miles away during the Detroit riots

The city never recovered. My area never recovered from its close-minded black fear and racism either. The complete misunderstanding of WHY it all happened and the racism still remains strong all these decades later, still here, about 100 miles from Detroit. Not much has changed after all these years. Racists instill racism into their children and the vicious cycle never stops.

Baltimore feels very much like a point of no return, when the black community says ENOUGH, GODDAMMIT.

You can only push a society down with violence, corporate unfairness and greed, unequal rights and treatment, and societal shaming for so long before they rise up and fight back. And it won't be pretty.

[Joe Chi Minh]

141. Spot on.

[ciaobaby]

73. I feel your pain

I too am a white woman - 65 years old. This is insanity. The press is tripping all over itself to express the abhorrence for cops being injured, damage to property, cars burning, rocks being thrown, and on and on.
But where is the abhorrence for the loss of life of innocent young black men. All the previous "peaceful" protests have produced NOTHING.
I sit here listening to all the plans to address the riots, bring in the National Guard, declare curfew.
Any plans YET to arrest and bring to trial any of these murdering racist cops ????? No - they remain on paid vacation.
I am so sick of this I could scream.
Hope some of you also heard Michael Eric Dyson on MSNBC - he was excellent.
As long as the protests remain peaceful it's business as usual.

[marym625]

98. I have been watching Al Jazeera America

An entirely different attitude. Talking about the reasons for the frustrations, what the local government are not doing, actually reporting.

They had the former mayor on that is also a former prosecutor. He stated that the huge fire we see is not done by the kids that started the CVS fire and why that is obvious, that the big fire was professional.

Then I turned on Rachel Maddow during the commercial and I was disgusted. What a difference

[ciaobaby]

107. Mayor of Baltimore

At press conference the current Baltimore mayor assures us they will use all videos of the violence to bring the rioters to justice. Ironic isn't it. Perhaps she did not see the video of Baltimore's finest dragging Freddie Grey screaming in pain, unable to walk, and ultimately ending up with a severed spinal cord - unless she just doesn't see the need to bring them to justice until their paid vacation is over !
Holy lord I am depressed.

[marym625]

108. It's just unbelievable. absolutely unbelievable

You are not alone. It is severely depressing. And causing a deep, boiling anger

[Enthusiast]

157. +1!

[CrispyQ]

152. If more people watched Al Jazeera this country wouldn't be so fucked up.

on edit: Okay, so it would be just as fucked up, but maybe people would start doing something about it.

[marym625]

156. +1000

[heaven05]

83. don't break

many here are with you.......

[marym625]

99. Thank you my friend

[appalachiablue]

129. +10 No place for PoC, the vulnerable, 'weak' or non wealthy in a greed driven, savage nation now-

[hifiguy]

15. Damn tootin'!! nt

[marym625]

16. Thank you

[romanic]

17. Well the national guard was called in.

So well just have to wait and see what happens.

[marym625]

20. Yes, they have

I just hope they are not going to make it worse

[NOLALady]

22. Those of us who lived through the sixties

have a pretty good idea of what will happen. It will not be pretty. But, it's not very pretty now.

[realFedUp]

31. I don't remember looting over the injust Vietnam war.

Thousands died.

[NOLALady]

45. Your point?

[marym625]

52. Really?

You don't remember well then. Tens of thousands of American military died. Millions died
There were riots, looting, even bombings in this country. And 4 students shot and killed for peaceful protest

[smokey nj]

125. Really? Google Hard Hat Riot

[libdem4life]

21. I want to know what the tab is and who is paying for this phalanx of Police, Military, and other

assorted war tactics. One might consider that the money would have been better spent on the community...before, rather than against. This is shameful. The police are out of control and there is no one to stop them. Want to bet it doesn't take a week to "investigate" whoever injured a policeman?

Amazing how we find the money and legal authority post haste for some, and almost never for others. It is a shame on our nation.

[marym625]

25. so true

And so very sad and wrong

[Ilsa]

67. Rec this.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars, to later be squeezed from the middle class and the poor, spent to protect corporate assets. Screw that shit.

[libdem4life]

109. Add to that the lawsuits that do make it through and the City has to shell out millions. Do the

perpetrators pay? No. They go home and take vacations...excuse me, leave with pay. Who pays? We do.

[appalachiablue]

126. Quite right, why isn't the police state $ being used to train people and create jobs! and

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revitalize 'post industrial' cities and rural, small town areas where there is little work, no grocery stores only convenience junk food places, and poverty, idleness, lack of stable community life which leads to crime, drugs, violence, mental illness and incarceration. Same in bombed out Midwestern areas, the Rustbelt, South and many other places in the US now.

NYC with finance, DC with govt., lobbyists and defense contractors, Silicon Valley's tech industry, Chicago and a few other major metro areas seem to be the main places thriving esp. from development, high property values and major gentrification for elites displacing regular workers. The rest of America may just be decaying, being plundered by predators or neglected altogether. This can't continue, or maybe it can...

[Pooka Fey]

133. Yup.

Excellent analysis. Three writers come to mind who foretold our situation, Karl Marx, George Orwell, and Charles Dickens.

[libdem4life]

151. The only winner from the shift from rural to city is WalMart. Local jobs are almost non-existent.

Someone last night compared it to the immigration of Europeans to the US...fleeing a hopeless class-defined life in Europe.

Now what's going to happen with our race-defined life/culture. The American Indians have been mostly wiped out or put on reservations under federal control. Perhaps the life of the black will be in poor little towns, living off welfare and Social Security with dozens of police handing out tickets and jail sentences, to be the revenue for their/the city's paychecks.

We'd better wake up.

[realFedUp]

28. One doesn't equal the others

Yes, this death will be investigated and it was unjust but stealing stuff and destroying and looting stores doesn't equal the police crime. Use your brain, not emotions.

[marym625]

33. Just like John Crawford? Eric Garner? Tamir Rice?

Something has to happen and peaceful protest just gets peaceful protesters hurt and arrested.

[heaven05]

75. meh

distraction and denial. And denial is not a river in Africa......

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. kick and rec

[marym625]

34. Thank you Nadine

[rhett o rick]

32. This is my opinion. The Plutocratic Oligarchs are currently waging war against all of the 99%.

They have chosen to pay particular attention to the black community. Why? Not because they are racists, although some are but that always takes a backseat to greed, but because they can rationalize it or justify it, because a lot of Americans that watch Corp-Media believe that black males are thugs. So what is the white community think about all this? Seems to me that they are largely ambivalent or possibly moderately sympathetic, but over all ignorant to what is really transpiring here.

Who does the police department work for? They work for the community. So are the police doing the bidding of the community? If you don't think so, take action. Tell the mayor, set up a citizens review board. In my opinion the white community needs to step up. We can't sit back and wait. If we don't step up, at some point, the black community, will have enough of the killing and racist treatment and will rise up and fight back. This, of course IMO, is the worse thing they can do, but I would totally understand. The whole community needs to step up and get those police that work for us to treat people like we want them treated before the situation reaches the exploding point.

Don't let the Power That Be divide us.

[marym625]

35. I respect your opinion

But that has been tried and failed.

The elected officials need to step up and stop going after the policy and procedures and do something that makes a difference. Absolutely inexcusable that we are seeing so many murders and beatings and nothing is done.

[rhett o rick]

46. The elected officials essentially do our bidding. It's our responsibility to let

them know how serious we think this is. If we don't, they assume we don't care. We need to tell our mayors that if they keep appointing police chiefs that look the other way when their police force brutalizes and kills our fellow citizens, that we will vote them out.

[marym625]

48. and over and over again,

That is what happens and nothing is done. Nothing changes. Ferguson is a perfect example.

4 decades of economic oppression.

[NuclearDem]

36. This is getting so fucking old.

Black man gets gunned down, and all the fucking concern is over a couple of cars and a convenience store.

That's right, black Americans--you're worth less than a fucking car.

[marym625]

37. +1000

Exactly!

[bvf]

49. This^

says it all.

This country is really fucked up.

[heaven05]

77. +1000

[Rosa Luxemburg]

128. The national media ignored Gray's death

they got interested when some buildings and cars were being burned.

[libdem4life]

153. Only Rachel showed a slide show of the other murderous cell phone images. The talking point was

"that he was taken into custody and died." if they mentioned it at all. This "we have no clue" is crap. Not even that his spine was broken in 3 places. And surely none of the endless parade of public officials.

[uponit7771]

178. +1

[marym625]

38. La rage

[Iggo]

43. Yup.

[marym625]

44. It's sad. just heartbreaking

[Thespian2]

51. Sorry about your pain

but many of us feel exactly as you do...we also feel powerless to stop the mass murder...one black person at a time...

[marym625]

53. I don't mean to minimize anything by saying that

I just am so frustrated.

Baltimore hasn't handled anything much better than Ferguson did. This was inevitable.

[Iggo]

111. CVS can be rebuilt.

Freddy Gray, not so.

[marym625]

112. exactly

[Glassunion]

54. The average American can give a shit.

There is money to be made (lots of it) in keeping the police militarized. That will not change.

The average American just wants to feel safe. They feel that a militarized police force keeps them safe.

Oh look! The Voice is on...

[marym625]

56. +1000

Well said

[sarge43]

147. I don't feel safe when I can be murdered by a cop who didn't like how I look or what I said.

"First, they came for ..."

[Glassunion]

160. Cool. You're not average.

Sadly the majority could care less. They want to feel safe. Feeling safe is paramount to them.

Oh look! The Voice is on again tonight!

[guillaumeb]

55. It is difficult not to share the anger and outrage.

But fighting the state with the weapons of the state rarely turns out well.
Peaceful protests inspired by Ghandi worked well in India.
Peaceful protests worked well in the civil rights struggle.

Interesting also that while you did not advocate for violence in your post some here read what you said as advocating violence.

Very good post marym

[marym625]

57. Thank you

I understand it.

Peaceful protest worked then. Now, it seems to do nothing. Absolutely nothing

[guillaumeb]

64. The obvious question is "Why do peaceful protests not seem to work?"

The Occupy protests did bring the notion of the 1% vs. the 99% into the news, but the corporate media will not focus on anything for too long. Perhaps THAT is the key. During the Vietnam War era, the media was filled with stories about the war, about corruption in the war industry, the lawlessness of the Nixon administration.

Now, the US media is obsessed with Bruce Jenner, the Kardashians, Hillary's hairstyles and other important issues.

The war on black males has been going on for centuries, but each separate incident of brutality is treated as an aberration, or a simple overreaction, or a mistake. The media does not provide a context for these police murders.

[marym625]

66. That is such a big part of it

And because MSM is controlled by the corpocracy, we have lost the ability to keep the momentum.

Someone else here said something similar and ended with "oh the voice is on" A joke and yet so on point

[Maedhros]

173. Peaceful protest worked during the Vietnam Era,

because the problem was that the anti-war position was not represented in the media. Staging protests provided a means to get the message out, by creating a news event that demanded coverage. It worked because, back then, we had a functional press and broadcast journalism.

Nowadays, the news outlets are hip to the trick and have developed strategies to deal with protests - namely, focus on the more 'exciting' elements (read: vandalism and clashes with police) while completely ignoring the message of the protesters. Peaceful protest no longer serves its intended purpose.

[marym625]

177. Very true

But it also took many years of a growing protest that finally couldn't be ignored. 4 students killed at one school and 2 at another a week (?) Later

The Underground Weatherman (a group I assume this site took its name from) started because peaceful protest was doing nothing.

I agree that the press, as we knew it, doesn't exist

[Omaha Steve]

184. They weren't all peaceful

And "Four Dead in Ohio gave us the image and the song for the movement.


AP/Valley Daily News/John Filo

In this Pulitzer Prize-winning photo by John FIlo, bystander Mary Ann Vechio screams next to the body of Kent State student Jeffrey Miller, who was killed by Ohio National Guard gunfire on May 4, 1970.

[marym625]

188. I have mentioned this a couple times in this thread

I have actually spoken with one of the men that was shot, Alan Canfora. They are still fighting for justice. They have a recording of the shoot order that has been verified as authentic and the DoJ will not reopen the case http://www.may4.org/ordertofirestrubbetapeevidence.html

[AuntPatsy]

59. Kick

[marym625]

62. Thank you

[heaven05]

69. you're in fine form

and telling a truth that milktoast namby pambys can't handle. Please disregard their faux outrage and indignation at your words of truth. It is an art form with many here. Glad to read ya and couldn't agree more!!!

[marym625]

74. Thank you, Heaven

That means a great deal to me

Just watched the governor saying that "they're a lawless bunch of thugs roaming the streets hurting people causing destruction and it won't be tolerated. " Obviously, he was talking about the cops.

[appalachiablue]

130. I would say the governor is concerned much more with assuring the property owning, tax

paying constituents who hold more weight esp. for his career unfortunately and obviously.

[marym625]

134. Very much so.

Really obvious

Where the hell was he and the media when a man's spine was severed?

[zeemike]

70. Well there is a better way, but frankly we don't have the courage to do it.

And that is non violent civil disobedience.
And it requires the courage to be arrested and thrown in jail and maybe even be beaten by the cops.
And it requires masses of people, so many they can't arrest them all in just a hour or two and when they arrest them all as many more takes their place...but again we don't have the guts for it.
Study Gandhi, and the civil disobedience of the civil right movement...that is the answer...that is what wins.

[marym625]

78. We do have the courage

Look at what the Ferguson protesters did. Look at the occupy movement, the movement that Candidate Obama said he supported. I agree we need a movement that will cause the shut it down that the Ferguson protesters went after. But when everything is too big to fail, how can it possibly work?

[zeemike]

97. I was talking about us not them.

We did not join them and in fact even here on DU we ridiculed Occupy...or at least some did.
And the media did what they could to turn them into violence and discredit them.

We are not united, and we are scattered into single issues, where we should be united...and I think we are losing because of it.

[marym625]

104. I did

I was not part of occupy. But I supported as much as I could. I has a little money at that time and did what I could. I did join protests here in Chicago in the hands up movement and I sent money to the Ferguson protesters.

But yes, you are right. We have to come together and we have to move as one. And frankly, the corpocracy is what allows all the rest to happen.

[Ilsa]

71. Black lives, the disabled, the poor, matter.

The Guard should be protecting citizens against racist cops.

I don't want anyone to get hurt. But I don't give a rat's ass about the cvs or police cars.

[marym625]

82. +1000

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

76. +1000000000000000

[marym625]

84. wow!

I never got that many before. TThank you!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

88. ...

[marym625]

102. First time I smiled all night

Thank you!

[tblue37]

119. Let me give you +a brazillion! nt

[marym625]

122. Thank you!

Now that's the most I have ever gotten!

[realFedUp]

79. Sent in when crimes

Are occurring.

[marym625]

85. ?

[marym625]

103. I am a person who has a right to my opinion

I don't care who you are

[NYC_SKP]

117. I asked them in another thread...

...if they would like to get together tomorrow, but I don't know if they'll be able to make a date with me.

[marym625]

121. Looks like it

I think you may be better off not on that date

Thank you

[Iggo]

110. Like when cops are killing unarmed citizens?

Yeah, that'll be the day, huh?

[BrotherIvan]

163. MIRT!!

[LibGranny]

80. Add dogs to the list of police atrocity killings!

Read about Justice for Geist and another dog named Forest - both dogs were in their own areas and were shot and killed by a cop who "feared for his life"!

[marym625]

89. True

And it was a police dog that killed a man at the behest of the police. I am sure that the police dog would not have done that without vicious training

[blkmusclmachine]

81. We know WHY the police are out of control. How do we stop it???

[marym625]

91. I don't know

I know that the corpocracy has to end because that is a big part of it. The militarization of police has to end. Hiring racist cops on steroids has to stop. The racist system has to stop.

Just rip it all apart and start over

[Depaysement]

86. If the police can't abide by the law

Then there is no rule of law.

And this happens.

You can't ignore the senseless murder of a young man and expect the youth to cower and obey.

There is either the rule of law for everyone or no one. Anything short of that is racist.

[marym625]

92. absolutely!

[broadcaster75201]

87. Agreed n/t

nt

[marym625]

93. Thank you

[Egnever]

90. Couldn't care less about the CVS

My concern is for the people that work at that CVS and the people who get their prescriptions from there. What are their options tomorrow?

When it is time for that senior to get his or her medicine tomorrow where will they go? Will they now have to drive 20 miles because CVS killed a black man? Oh wait CVS didn't do a damn thing to that man.

The idea that misplaced anger is somehow noble is short sighted stupidity.

Burn down the police station and I will call them something other than thugs destroying their own community resources is short sighted and self destructive behavior.

[marym625]

94. Don't worry, CVS will take care of all of that

They have everything on computer. They are insured. They will do the right thing to show what a caring, wonderful corporation they are. While they pay their employees next to nothing with little to no benefits. While they put all the mom and pop similar business out of business.

[BrotherIvan]

164. Word

But some posters insist on pearl-clutching over looting in every damn thread.

[marym625]

165. yep.

[Daemonaquila]

100. What a perfect statement.

It's time that people stop worrying about manners and start worrying about substance.

[marym625]

105. It is. Is it yours?

It's great. Thank you for sharing it

[NYC_SKP]

101. Recommended. As go Freddie Gray and Mike Brown, so go we all.

And the interesting thing that I see happening... ...the poorest folks, and almost invariably black folks, are like the canary in the coal mine.

By no means are other groups treated this badly but increasingly the police state, under color of authority, is busting heads.

What I'd like to do is to look at this as more than a color issue, this has a class and a power issue layered into it.

We ARE Freddie Gray and Michael Brown and thousands of others.

[marym625]

106. Thank you

You are right but it is due to racism that young black men are killed by cops every 28 hours. You cannot dismiss that.

But I do believe it is just the beginning of what will turn into the police state that will go after everyone that the oligarchs feel are a hindrance or just useless to them.

[sabrina 1]

114. Thanks Mary. If only the outrage over property damage would be as great when a human

life is taken by the police.

As MLK said 'A riot is the language of the unheard'.

[marym625]

115. exactly

Thank you, Sabrina

[Pooka Fey]

136. +1

[truth2power]

124. I agree with you marym. I've been reading through these threads and

along with all the tears being shed for the CVS store etc. I want to know from someone, and this is NOT a rhetorical question:

How many times does a black person get shot by the police and the people protest peacefully for a day or two and then back to business as usual....HOW MANY TIMES? I mean how. many. times?

Maybe if we knew that after the 5,245th murder of a person of color by the police of this country, that would be the end of it - maybe we could be more patient.

The point is that it keeps happening over and over and over and over and the powers that be KNOW that all they have to do is hunker down for a day or two and then it all goes down the memory hole.

It amazes me that anyone is surprised that it's come to this.

[marym625]

135. The dedication of the people in Ferguson

That protested for months, were out in the freezing cold, rain and extreme heat, is what we need every where. But still, even with that, nothing changed. They went to the local government meetings every time they were held. They met with officials. They got people registered to vote. They voted. The DoJ found institutionalized racism and still, nothing changed

And the government does nothing.

[Quayblue]

132. and war is never pretty

when will people LISTEN to the people who are hurting. fucking LISTEN!!! *tears*

And it absolutely sucks that the only way black people in this country can get people to pay attention is by burning shit..

No one pays attention when jobs are eliminated...

or drugs are "somehow" filtered into the community..

or whatever else historical BULLSHIT that has gone on in this country people choose to ignore.

I'm going to fucking bed because I have children to raise tomorrow, and Lord knows I try.

[marym625]

137. I am very glad I made the decision to not bring kids into this world.

I don't envy what it must be like to have to raise and worry about what will happen to them. Sorry, I don't mean to be so cynical.

They don't care, the ptb. They just don't care.

[sarge43]

149. Yup. I knew I couldn't handle the fear.

If someone murdered my child because s/he didn't have the right label, I'd burn a world to ashes.

[marym625]

150. Same here

[Quayblue]

170. I don't blame you

and not to say I don't love my children dearly, but trust me, I do understand your choice.

[marym625]

174. I understand that

I know my mom loves us all dearly. But I also know if she could go back in time, she would make very different choices

[stonecutter357]

138. K&R!

[marym625]

139. Thank you

[marym625]

143. Some posts out there with important information not getting attention

Three basic and enduring elements to unrest occurring around protests against police violence

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026576698

Baltimore YOUTH Terrorized by Cops | Stop Killing Black Americans!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026576687

11 stunning images highlight double-standard of reaction to riots like Baltimore

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026580615

There are others but these have information that is not being reported in M$M

[Duval]

158. It's sad, it's frightening, but

until certain social issues are addressed and dealt with fairly, I can understand the anger. Actually, it seems more like rage.
I am praying that the addition of the National Guard and other policemen, all in riot gear, will not cause more of what happened last night. I watch some of Al Jeezera almost every day. IMO, they are far better than our MSM.

[marym625]

161. far, far better

I hope so as well. Having the chief of police say repeatedly, "you will see tear gas, you will see pepper balls" I am sure won't help

[Enthusiast]

159. Kicked

and recommended a whole bunch!

The media has been so biased in their coverage. I had recorded Big Ed to watch this morning. They preempted Ed to cover the protests. I couldn't believe the narrative. It was inexcusable. Well, I couldn't watch it. Same with Rachel Maddow, I just turned it off.

[marym625]

162. Thank you

Yeah, anyone who thinks there is any "liberal media" is crazy. There isn't even any actual straight reporting

[Enthusiast]

166. Exactly correct, no actual straight reporting. It all has a right wing corporate bias built in.

[marym625]

167. +1000

[og1]

168. Police react

Police react the way they do because they believe the majority supports it. and the majority believes it because Fox News tells them that it is the minorities that are the problems not the police! Fox News controls how the American majority should react to internal and external events.

[marym625]

179. That "news" and all the pundits should have to have a

Banner going across the bottom of the screen "we lie 90% of the time"

[raven mad]

171. 1964. 1968. 1972. 1980.

It's a war of attrition.

[marym625]

180. I'm sorry

I am a little dense tonight I guess. Can you clarify? I get the years but don't follow

[Hutzpa]

172. K&R

[marym625]

181. Thank you!

[99Forever]

175. It is war, Mary.

A war we intend to win.

Power to the PEOPLE.

[marym625]

182. Power to the People!

We have to win. Otherwise, we're all dead

[99Forever]

185. Indeed

[calimary]

176. This is anger. And it's extremely hard to say it's not justified.

Shit - I keep thinking back to that one woman in Ferguson. I'm sorry - I don't remember her name at the moment but I believe she was either a City Council member from a neighboring city or a State legislator, or a prominent blogger (she had some stature and appeared subsequently as a talking head on some MSNBC shows), and she was talking about the damn militarization of the police. Municipal police - all decked out as though they were on patrol in the freakin' GREEN ZONE. Like this was downtown Baghdad or something, with armored troop carriers and army equipment and firepower and all kinds of ridiculous overkill that local/municipal law enforcement IN A CIVILIAN ARENA really has NO business having. And she kept saying "Take their TOYS Away!!! Take their WAR TOYS AWAY!!!!" I swear it made me jump up out of my chair and cheer. All it was doing was aggravating the situation. Turning the heat higher up on an already overheated and growing crisis. If something's already on fire, WHY on earth would you want to throw gasoline on it?

YES, DAMMIT! Take their damn frickin' toys away! CLEARLY they don't know how to play safely with them! Their behavior needed some VERY serious checking, and disciplining - as though they were disobedient, spoiled, and out-of-control children.

[marym625]

183. Absolutely!

I think she was a State rep. I can't think of her name either

And in President Obama's plan, the toys remain

[calimary]

186. Well, I'm a mom, and that's the first thing I'd do. Take their damn toys away!

They've proven they don't know how to play with them - without others getting hurt! Works with the kids. Should work with these adult-size "children."

[marym625]

187. with these "children"

They need to be expelled as well