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DemocraticWing

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It is not about the CVS, it is about the riots and looting. It helps nothing! nt Logical Apr 2015 #1
Very odd, this line of reasoning. Apples and oranges and the CVS might never come back. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #6
The riots/violence/looting feed the victim-blaming narrative Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2015 #9
I think they murdered him. But, you fucking know Gray's family is VERY UPSET about the citizens.... Logical Apr 2015 #15
Lets be honest, its about the sight of a Black takin' what aint theirs! 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #14
Explain why Grays family is so upset then?? Logical Apr 2015 #17
Because their son is dead? nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #25
No, they are pissed off about the riots! And should be. It counters the whole point of the protests. Logical Apr 2015 #26
I would think that they're pissed off about their son more than the burning of private property. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #28
Did you even listen to them today? Obviously not. Just keep thinking you know it all. nt Logical Apr 2015 #29
Did you listen to them when their son was killed? Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #37
You are clueless. nt Logical Apr 2015 #41
Clearly you never paid attention to their initial remarks after their son's death Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #44
I respect their opinion. But, they are not the only interested party. morningfog Apr 2015 #30
But maybe the most connect party. I respect their comments and opinion. nt Logical Apr 2015 #32
Yikes. romanic Apr 2015 #91
Are you saying the protestors, the city, the cops, morningfog Apr 2015 #92
And the local stores? Are they also insured for billions? brooklynite Apr 2015 #31
They're insured. jeff47 Apr 2015 #34
And now their insurance just went up Egnever Apr 2015 #42
Well, are they dead? No? Then I think they have less to complain about. jeff47 Apr 2015 #45
Oh I doubt they will complain Egnever Apr 2015 #50
Apparently that went way over your head. jeff47 Apr 2015 #61
Short sighted Egnever Apr 2015 #65
And the blame falls squarely on the police and the government that failed to control them. jeff47 Apr 2015 #73
You can blame whoever you want Egnever Apr 2015 #76
Yes, the government really shouldn't be destroying their own community. jeff47 Apr 2015 #81
Well. When these neighborhoods can't get businesses to locate there... Adrahil Apr 2015 #63
You have to be alive to have that problem. jeff47 Apr 2015 #70
Im not concerned so much about the businesses... Adrahil Apr 2015 #72
Yes, government should really have not destroyed their community by failing jeff47 Apr 2015 #95
Most business insurance policies exclude coverage for DURHAM D Apr 2015 #94
No, it's about your indifference until a store gets busted Scootaloo Apr 2015 #43
So you are in favor of looting and riots? Congrats. You are not a deep thinker I realize. nt Logical Apr 2015 #46
Why does it take looting for you to notice police murdering black people? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #48
LOL, you missed the whole point...... Logical Apr 2015 #51
You evidently weren't noticing Scootaloo Apr 2015 #56
And according to you him being killed means you must riot and loot. You seems to think those are.... Logical Apr 2015 #60
You gave no attention to this situation. None whatsoever. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #64
Ahh, someone has run out of arguments so repeats their silly comments. Nice! I guess I win! Logical Apr 2015 #71
Didn't you just repeat yourself? And wasn't your repetition something I never said? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #78
What a ridiculous question. Egnever Apr 2015 #52
Not in the least. THis is the first time Logical has mentioned anything at all on the topic Scootaloo Apr 2015 #54
Really? Egnever Apr 2015 #58
Nothing justifies destroying your own community... ram2008 Apr 2015 #2
I cant say that having never been pulled over for being white, arrested for being white, NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #3
I'm a minority. I would never act like that. ram2008 Apr 2015 #5
,+1 840high Apr 2015 #21
The innocents are being murdered. NOLALady Apr 2015 #12
Then why do people vote for Republicans? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #23
Because Freddie Gray is an isolated incident and this is only about him. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #36
And people in the community will wonder why no good businesses come there NightWatcher Apr 2015 #4
What were they thinking, being murdered by police and they reacted... NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #8
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #88
+1000000000000 bravenak Apr 2015 #89
the mayor has said that outside agitators came into Baltimore to exploit the CTyankee Apr 2015 #10
I saw a tweet about the outside agitators. NOLALady Apr 2015 #18
What makes you think they'll be back? VScott Apr 2015 #7
I doubt it customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #11
^^this^^ TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #13
There are areas of Watts that never "rebounded".. SoCalDem Apr 2015 #20
The many businesses in Detroit that burned in the 60s romanic Apr 2015 #16
Yes. Thank you for that illuminating post! CTyankee Apr 2015 #19
Good post. 840high Apr 2015 #22
I always wonder about this GusBob Apr 2015 #24
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #33
I'd think twice if I was a CVS store owner/franchisee Aerows Apr 2015 #38
Lbr romanic Apr 2015 #69
Don't be so sure. RandySF Apr 2015 #27
1967, not 1969. longship Apr 2015 #83
Thanks for the correction RandySF Apr 2015 #87
Looting stores Aerows Apr 2015 #35
Yes, they just need to accept the murders. Otherwise it might upset capital! (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #39
I don't see anyone condoning murder. Aerows Apr 2015 #53
They're a victim of the police. No murder, no riot. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #55
Well, they are a victim Aerows Apr 2015 #62
That's because you never bothered to actually understand what I wrote. jeff47 Apr 2015 #68
I don't like dead people Aerows Apr 2015 #74
And I don't like government fucking over the people. jeff47 Apr 2015 #79
We hear so often that part of e problem is that business will not locate themselves in these Adrahil Apr 2015 #66
Yes, the police really should stop inciting riots by murdering people. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #75
Sounds like we can all agree. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #86
Old people realFedUp Apr 2015 #40
Exactly. Texasgal Apr 2015 #47
It's easy to support when it isn't your neighborhood. Throd Apr 2015 #49
I'd be even more supportive if it was in my neighborhood realFedUp Apr 2015 #80
Yep. Aerows Apr 2015 #57
A lot of places that have been burned and looted in years gone by Warpy Apr 2015 #59
But why would they come back? jamzrockz Apr 2015 #67
Or not. Throd Apr 2015 #77
Why would a store come back after looting and Fire? realFedUp Apr 2015 #82
CNN is reporting that brand new senior center is burning SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #84
They are unrelated... Oktober Apr 2015 #85
The CVS should never have been an issue, but thanks to the dumbass decision by some to riot Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2015 #90
#CVSMatters Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #93
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
1. It is not about the CVS, it is about the riots and looting. It helps nothing! nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Very odd, this line of reasoning. Apples and oranges and the CVS might never come back.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:41 PM
Apr 2015

That community needs an organizational body.

...I'm not suggesting by any means that the people were unjustified in expressing their rage, not at all.

I am suggesting that this particular type of act has more negative repercussions than any good.

The negatives are lasting: the businesses may not return, there are fewer places to shop, fewer jobs, property values drop.

Possibly worst of all, it perpetuates the myth that these poor folks, victims of the system, somehow caused this and that they deserved it.

An organizer would have helped them channel their energy and righteous anger into an organized protest, gotten plenty of media, pro-bono lawyers, GOTV efforts, etc.

That this happened at all is an indication that they need to organize. I maintain that while they were right to be angry, the destruction of stores does more harm than good.

I'd be happy to listen to any explanation of how this was a helpful thing toward righting the wrongs against that community.

But nobody seems to have any.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
9. The riots/violence/looting feed the victim-blaming narrative
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:43 PM
Apr 2015

"Freddie Gray had a long police record, and this rioting shows the kind of people we're dealing with here."

It takes focus off the pattern of violence against black men, and instead becomes a discussion about we've failed to support the police.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
15. I think they murdered him. But, you fucking know Gray's family is VERY UPSET about the citizens....
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015

looting and rioting? Do you give a shit about them?

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
14. Lets be honest, its about the sight of a Black takin' what aint theirs!
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

They's a-lootin' and a stirrin' up trouble. We can't have that you hear?



Its amazing how much threads and post expressing outrage over insured property being taken from a billion dollar corporation but I've never seen the same outrage over all the black men being beaten or shot by these out of control police.

I will be the first to say I don't support the thug culture on the streets or the police department, looting just like bending a guy in half breaking his spine are both wrong but the level of outrage over looting and the lack of outrage over police murdering people astounds me.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
17. Explain why Grays family is so upset then??
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
25. Because their son is dead? nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:35 PM
Apr 2015
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
26. No, they are pissed off about the riots! And should be. It counters the whole point of the protests.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
28. I would think that they're pissed off about their son more than the burning of private property.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:38 PM
Apr 2015

Sorry

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
29. Did you even listen to them today? Obviously not. Just keep thinking you know it all. nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
37. Did you listen to them when their son was killed?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

Believe me, they're definitely more angry about the death of their son than the destruction of private property.

Pay attention.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
41. You are clueless. nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:50 PM
Apr 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
44. Clearly you never paid attention to their initial remarks after their son's death
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

...now you want to pretend they're more concerned about private property than the life of their son?

Go sell that somewhere else.

I ain't buying.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. I respect their opinion. But, they are not the only interested party.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
32. But maybe the most connect party. I respect their comments and opinion. nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015

romanic

(2,841 posts)
91. Yikes.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 04:06 AM
Apr 2015

Are you for real?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
92. Are you saying the protestors, the city, the cops,
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

the mayor, the black community, the business owners and the black youth are not interested parties?

brooklynite

(93,844 posts)
31. And the local stores? Are they also insured for billions?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

Or have the looters destroyed the life savings of someone who lives in the neighborhood?

I'm sure it will teach the owners a valuable lesson.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. They're insured.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:45 PM
Apr 2015

Can't get any sort of loan without insurance, which means being in business and uninsured is extremely unlikely.

After all, without insurance one slip-n-fall puts them out of business too.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
42. And now their insurance just went up
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:51 PM
Apr 2015

Will they still be able to be profitable? Or will that destroy the thin margins they were working with to begin with?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
45. Well, are they dead? No? Then I think they have less to complain about.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

The fact that we're discussing business insurance right now demonstrates just how fucked up our society has become.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
50. Oh I doubt they will complain
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

They just wont reopen.

Which has absolutely no effect on me but the community will feel the loss. Can you point to any positive effects that will come from this for that community?

The looters just screwed themselves and their community.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
61. Apparently that went way over your head.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:05 PM
Apr 2015

Your concern: A large multinational corporation might not serve this community's pharmaceutical needs!
Their concern: Murder by the police is wrong.

One of these might be a tad more important than the other....

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
65. Short sighted
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:09 PM
Apr 2015

Both are wrong

Both destroy the community.

Jobs desperately needed there will be gone forever because of this and while it is not as dramatic nor as tragic as the loss of someones lives it will cause a lot of damage long term in the city they live in.

One does not excuse the other.

The fact that you cant see what long term damage will be done to this community because of this and think its some sort of game of one is worse than the other leads me to believe you are not thinking clearly on this.

Both are horrible for that community both are destructive to the people who live there.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
73. And the blame falls squarely on the police and the government that failed to control them.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:20 PM
Apr 2015

That is where you are being incredibly short-sighted.

The problem is not the rioters. The rioters are the result of the problem. The problem is the failure of government to do its job, which in this case resulted in the murder of a man.

No murder, no riots.

Also, no consequences (such as riots), no change to the government status quo. A bit of paid vacation time and then back on duty.

Until the next murder. And the next. And the next. And the next. And the next.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
76. You can blame whoever you want
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:24 PM
Apr 2015

Doesn't change the fact that they are destroying their own community nor the fact that they will be paying for this long into the future no matter how righteous you think it is.

Once again you seem to be stuck on blame. It isn't about blame it is about leaving your own community in a much worse situation than it was before. The people who used those stores for their every day needs will not be better off tomorrow.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
81. Yes, the government really shouldn't be destroying their own community.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015
Once again you seem to be stuck on blame.

Really? I'm the one that's stuck? When you keep trying to chew out these particular rioters and treat the failure of government as a "blame game"?

It isn't about blame it is about leaving your own community in a much worse situation than it was before.

Yes, government really shouldn't have done that for the last 40 or so years.

But, according to you, this is only about this one riot.

The people who used those stores for their every day needs will not be better off tomorrow.

Yep, that's the consequences of government failing to do its most basic duties.
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
63. Well. When these neighborhoods can't get businesses to locate there...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:07 PM
Apr 2015

I assume you'll be there to help?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
70. You have to be alive to have that problem.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

Perhaps we should be more concerned about killing people than the lamentations of business.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
72. Im not concerned so much about the businesses...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:20 PM
Apr 2015

But the communities these folks live in. How can they expect a better life if they destroy their communities?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
95. Yes, government should really have not destroyed their community by failing
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 10:13 AM
Apr 2015

to control the police force.

So, how many dead should they ignore for the sake of their community?

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
94. Most business insurance policies exclude coverage for
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:06 AM
Apr 2015

acts of civil disobedience (riots).

There goes that theory.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
43. No, it's about your indifference until a store gets busted
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:51 PM
Apr 2015
Evidently the only way to make the poster behind the DU username "Logical" notice that the cops tried to unscrew a man's head like a lightbulb, is to knock over a CVS store.

Why is that?
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
46. So you are in favor of looting and riots? Congrats. You are not a deep thinker I realize. nt
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:53 PM
Apr 2015
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
48. Why does it take looting for you to notice police murdering black people?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:54 PM
Apr 2015
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
51. LOL, you missed the whole point......
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

people were noticing when they were protesting.

When it turns to rioting and looting then the whole story changes. People forget about the murder of Gray!

Even the BLACK MAYOR of Baltimore called them "thugs". Because they are.

I am one of the biggest critics of the police on this board. But burning down your neighborhood does not help your cause.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
56. You evidently weren't noticing
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015

This thread is the first time you have said a single thing even tangentially related to Freddie gray. And it's to snarl and snap about stuff. That's what motivates you to action, stuff getting broken. A man was also broken, and his murder covered up and excused by his murderers who control the system (which is evidently also broken) but that didn't seem to enter your radar.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
60. And according to you him being killed means you must riot and loot. You seems to think those are....
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:04 PM
Apr 2015

tied together. If you thinks the actions of the thugs tonight helps find Grays killers you are as clueless as I think.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
64. You gave no attention to this situation. None whatsoever.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:07 PM
Apr 2015

It was completely below your radar. A store gets knocked over though and suddenly it's forefront on your mind. I find it fascinating that a man nearly having his head torn off by police officers is completely beneath your notice, but broken windows and some stolen merchandise are what set you off.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
71. Ahh, someone has run out of arguments so repeats their silly comments. Nice! I guess I win!
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
78. Didn't you just repeat yourself? And wasn't your repetition something I never said?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:31 PM
Apr 2015
So you are in favor of looting and riots? Congrats. You are not a deep thinker I realize. nt

And according to you him being killed means you must riot and loot. You seems to think those are....


So sure. Win all you want, if that's what you want to call it, mr. Sheen.
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
52. What a ridiculous question.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:58 PM
Apr 2015
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. Not in the least. THis is the first time Logical has mentioned anything at all on the topic
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:59 PM
Apr 2015

It literally took a riot to make him pay any attention whatsoever.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
58. Really?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015

Cause it took me all of two seconds to find this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025430585#post4

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
2. Nothing justifies destroying your own community...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

Of course everyone knows that Freddie Gray was murdered. But rioting SOLVES NOTHING, and will cause the deaths of many other innocents. And the end result will be nothing.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
3. I cant say that having never been pulled over for being white, arrested for being white,
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

having a family member beaten or killed for being white, I cant imagine that, no telling what I would do...

others, who can sit back and pretend to be "all that", no idea what they would do

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
5. I'm a minority. I would never act like that.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:41 PM
Apr 2015

Just plain unacceptable behavior which destroys any public sympathy for the cause. Destroying businesses, destroying property and stealing livelihood from others is wrong, no matter who does it.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
21. ,+1
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:26 PM
Apr 2015

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
12. The innocents are being murdered.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:47 PM
Apr 2015

They were being murdered before the rioting. In the end, they will be murdered after the rioting. Police brutality has gotten worse. It will not get better any time soon.

Riots have nothing to do with the murders of unarmed citizens.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
23. Then why do people vote for Republicans?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:33 PM
Apr 2015

Who destroy their own community on a daily basis!!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
36. Because Freddie Gray is an isolated incident and this is only about him. (nt)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. And people in the community will wonder why no good businesses come there
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:40 PM
Apr 2015

And the lots will sit vacant and attract more problems.

Riots just don't solve anything, esp when you destroy your own community.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
8. What were they thinking, being murdered by police and they reacted...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

Good thing it isnt white people on the receiving end of racism and jim crow and bigotry and hate and police violence at the hands of black people for 200 yrs, there would be no Baltimore to burn down, woulda been burned down 100 yrs ago

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
88. +1000. nt
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:42 AM
Apr 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
89. +1000000000000
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 02:43 AM
Apr 2015

CTyankee

(63,769 posts)
10. the mayor has said that outside agitators came into Baltimore to exploit the
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015

emotions of he community. She is black and she made a good case, IMO. I guess there are people who just want to stir up trouble for their own reasons...

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
18. I saw a tweet about the outside agitators.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:51 PM
Apr 2015

She said that when she arrived in town, there were white men hurling racial slurs and trying to mow them down with their cars. They were attacking blacks until some black men intervened.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
7. What makes you think they'll be back?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

Has any CVS rep stated that?

Does CVS even own that location, building or is it leased property?

I wouldn't fault them at all if they said fuck it, and decided not to rebuild.

Even if they do rebuild, it's going to be a long time before it's up and running.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
11. I doubt it
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015

When I was a kid, I saw how the riots of the late 1960's (after the civil rights acts of the mid-Sixties were passed, mind you) destroyed the cores of many major cities. It took decades for parts of them to come back, and often, it involved tax breaks for wealthy people to get no-lose investments in businesses to replace those that had been burned out.

This rioting is an attack on the community where it is happening, and it really doesn't touch rich folks in the burbs. It makes it less likely that middle class people from the burbs are going to have anything to do with going to the city.

A lot of people here must have the impression that the Sixties were a fun time of revolutionary change, I saw them lead to the election of Richard Nixon, and that was with George Wallace pulling off the votes of the worst of the racists.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,161 posts)
13. ^^this^^
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:47 PM
Apr 2015

Nothing good comes of this.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
20. There are areas of Watts that never "rebounded"..
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:56 PM
Apr 2015

Companies do not "have" to build anywhere .. They come to a community IF it's safe to do so.. and if it looks like a profitable thing to do.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
16. The many businesses in Detroit that burned in the 60s
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015

never came back. A majority of those businesses were black owned as well.

Riots don't mean anything if communities aren't rebuilt and the people affected aren't uplifted from the destruction of their community. Black lives do matter, Gray's life mattered too; the black neighborhoods and the livelihood of black people matter as well, I think that's what some are forgetting while excusing the outsiders for looting and setting things on fire.

CTyankee

(63,769 posts)
19. Yes. Thank you for that illuminating post!
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015
 

840high

(17,196 posts)
22. Good post.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:28 PM
Apr 2015

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
24. I always wonder about this
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Apr 2015

If the CVS is rebuilt, will the people who looted it or destroyed it, shop there? I wonder what goes thru their minds and/or conscience when they walk thru the door

ETA: and on the flip side, the people that work there, if they continue to do so,,,,would they ever look at a shopper and say to themselves 'geez that looks like the guy I saw on tv during the looting'

Response to GusBob (Reply #24)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. I'd think twice if I was a CVS store owner/franchisee
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Apr 2015

I wouldn't rebuild there. I'd find somewhere else to rebuild my store.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
69. Lbr
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:17 PM
Apr 2015

The looters probably weren't even residents of the local neighborhood.

RandySF

(57,614 posts)
27. Don't be so sure.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

Many businesses left for good after the Detroit riot of 1969.

longship

(40,416 posts)
83. 1967, not 1969.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015

Look it up. I lived in the city then. LBJ called out the National Guard and I saw jeeps with machine guns driving past my parents' house. I remember smelling the smoke even miles away. The whole sky was black with smoke.

The next year the Detroit Tigers won the World Series and everybody was dancing in the streets, white and black.

RandySF

(57,614 posts)
87. Thanks for the correction
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:01 AM
Apr 2015

The businesses still didn't return.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. Looting stores
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

and rioting is not an effective way to "get your message across."

It's violence against the people who live in your community right along with you.

Where are you or a family member going to get your prescription filled, now, after the local pharmacy got looted, torched and destroyed?

What do you do when this area becomes a "pharmaceutical desert"?

I'd think twice about rebuilding there. Rioting, looting and lawlessness does NO ONE in the community any good.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
39. Yes, they just need to accept the murders. Otherwise it might upset capital! (nt)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Apr 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
53. I don't see anyone condoning murder.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:59 PM
Apr 2015

I also don't think looting and burning down the local pharmacy is a positive for the community.

You can protest things without destroying parts of said community.

What about the person that can't get their insulin? Are they a victim of the police, or a victim of the idiots that burned down and destroyed that resource?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
55. They're a victim of the police. No murder, no riot. (nt)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:01 PM
Apr 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
62. Well, they are a victim
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:05 PM
Apr 2015

that is for certain. Perhaps unseen victims, but victims nonetheless.

I'm surprised you took this perspective, jeff47. You used to be so rational when we would debate about whether or not Snowden should have released the information he did.

I guess now it's okay for diabetics to drop dead or people to have heart attacks because they can't get their meds?

To say I'm puzzled by your 180° is an understatement.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
68. That's because you never bothered to actually understand what I wrote.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:15 PM
Apr 2015
You used to be so rational when we would debate about whether or not Snowden should have released the information he did.

Nope, I had the temerity to point out that what he released did not live up to the claims of his fans. Such as pointing out he only managed to release one program spying on US Citizens, instead of "The NSA is reading everything!!!!".

You interpreted that as whether or not he should have leaked it, instead of wanting to discuss reality over Greenwald's dreams.

I guess now it's okay for diabetics to drop dead or people to have heart attacks because they can't get their meds?

How many dead black men should we pile up in order to not interfere with a multinational corporation extorting billions from diabetics?

To say I'm puzzled by your 180° is an understatement.

That's because you've been so busy trying to stuff me into a pigeon hole of your own creation that you didn't try to understand what I actually wrote.

The status quo is a constant infliction of violence on the people. All people. The murders inflicted upon minorities are just the most obvious. Sometimes, that violence will be met with violence. Today it's Baltimore. Tomorrow it will be somewhere else. And it will keep going on as long as our party keeps fighting to maintain the status quo.

Now everyone line up and pass the next "trade" deal. Can't upset CVS. They've got money to make.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
74. I don't like dead people
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

and I don't like people that become dead because they can't get insulin, or whatever medication.

I'm consistent.

I despise NSA spying because they work hand in hand with the DEA and local LEOs to prosecute people, frame them, set them up, or otherwise use extra-judicial means to incarcerate people.

That's what I didn't understand.

In this case, consistency isn't the hobgoblin of the narrow mind - it's the hallmark of a thinking one.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
79. And I don't like government fucking over the people.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:34 PM
Apr 2015

Be it starvation from safety net cuts, "trade" deals that destroy the lives of anyone not in the 1%, or police officers getting away with murder.

But government has to actually fuck over people. Not what government could possibly think about someday doing, but has so far shown fastidious attention to our laws (such as they are).

The reason I appear more "militant" now is the vast number of people who care more about continuing the status quo despite the constant fucking over of the people. Such as cheering for the latest status quo candidate we "must" vote for.

If it takes a riot to get people to notice the status quo isn't working, so be it. I'd prefer peaceful means, but peaceful means have a terrible track record the last 30 years. Too many that grew up screaming for change settled into maintaining the status quo because it helped them. "Don't cut my Social Security" became the rallying cry. Instead of "Make everyone's lives better".

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
66. We hear so often that part of e problem is that business will not locate themselves in these
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:10 PM
Apr 2015

Communities. This kind of crap is one reason why.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
75. Yes, the police really should stop inciting riots by murdering people. (nt)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:23 PM
Apr 2015

safeinOhio

(32,527 posts)
86. Sounds like we can all agree.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:20 PM
Apr 2015

They should go to the areas that all the cops live in and riot and burn everything down.

realFedUp

(25,053 posts)
40. Old people
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Apr 2015

Wondering tonight where they will get their meds tomorrow.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
47. Exactly.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:53 PM
Apr 2015

I am so confused by all of this support for looting!

Throd

(7,208 posts)
49. It's easy to support when it isn't your neighborhood.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

realFedUp

(25,053 posts)
80. I'd be even more supportive if it was in my neighborhood
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:37 PM
Apr 2015

That looting and fir will close that store, maybe indefinitely to customers, employees and the appearance of the neighborhood. Good luck to those kids getting condoms.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. Yep.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015

This is my problem with this, and why in the hell are people sticking up for burning down a local pharmaceutical store that members of the community depend on?

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
59. A lot of places that have been burned and looted in years gone by
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:03 PM
Apr 2015

were never reopened, most notably grocery stores.

Looting your own neighborhood businesses is self defeating, no matter who owns them. The fact is that they don't reopen most of the time.

And Freddie Gray is still dead.

I don't know what the answer to police forces acting like occupying armies is but I strongly suspect burning down a CVS in your own neighborhood isn't it.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
67. But why would they come back?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:11 PM
Apr 2015

Come back to what? If I was a Baltimore resident, I would be looking for my way out of town now.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
77. Or not.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:27 PM
Apr 2015

realFedUp

(25,053 posts)
82. Why would a store come back after looting and Fire?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:39 PM
Apr 2015

Certainly their choice"

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
84. CNN is reporting that brand new senior center is burning
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:42 PM
Apr 2015

Those damned senior citizens, screw 'em; it's their fault Freddie Gray is dead, and burning their new senior center down will sure show the police!

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
85. They are unrelated...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:43 PM
Apr 2015

One does not excuse the other...

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
90. The CVS should never have been an issue, but thanks to the dumbass decision by some to riot
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 03:00 AM
Apr 2015

the discussion has moved from Freddie Gray

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
93. #CVSMatters
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:43 AM
Apr 2015
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