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roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:26 AM May 2015

I am really struggling with Obama here

I got this at this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/senate-passes-fast-track_n_7425614.html

Apparently he's willing to overlook human trafficking to get the TPP through. HONEST TO GOD!

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's trade agenda suffered a setback Friday evening during a series of last-minute maneuvers in the Senate. While the upper chamber eventually passed a bill that would help Obama streamline a trade pact with 11 Pacific nations, the final product threw a wrench into the president's plans.

The Senate approved a bill to "fast-track" trade agreements negotiated by the president. The agreement will prevent Congress from amending or filibustering Obama's controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. The TPP deal would have a hard time surviving without fast-track authority.

But a key crackdown on human trafficking survived the legislative jujitsu. The White House considers the provision a deal-breaker, as it would force one of the nations involved in the TPP talks -- Malaysia -- out of the agreement. An immigration-related amendment authored by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) never got a vote, making it far more difficult for Obama to win over skeptical tea party Republicans in the House.

The slavery provision's survival means that the House will either need to amend the bill and send it back to the Senate, which would cause a delay and complicate the House debate, or pass a bill and go to conference with the Senate, also causing a delay. It also potentially could be fixed in separate legislation otherwise moving through Congress.

But time is not on the side of advocates of the trade agenda, as summer recess is approaching, followed by a heated presidential campaign season. "It leaves a substantial problem that no one's sure how will be addressed," said one senator. If fast-track is ultimately approved, 60 days would need to pass before the TPP could be voted on.

Slavery provision, human trafficking. I am speechless. HOW DO YOU WANT AN AGREEMENT AND BE SO DESIROUS OF IT THAT YOU WILL ALLOW HUMAN TRAFFICKING TO GET IT!?

I am beyond disgusted with this.

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I am really struggling with Obama here (Original Post) roguevalley May 2015 OP
I'm speechless Nite Owl May 2015 #1
Investment capital has its own priorities. delrem May 2015 #2
i wish MFM008 May 2015 #3
I'm afraid he Enthusiast May 2015 #11
What. Scootaloo May 2015 #4
Sounds about right. Malaysia couldn't be part of the club unless they clean up their act. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #7
I wonder if it's too late to take a friend up on her offer of emigration to Finland Scootaloo May 2015 #8
It couldn't hurt to ask. Keep all options open. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #13
Finland is part of European free trade agreements Cali_Democrat May 2015 #41
It's more the blind eye towards slavery that worries me, Cali_Democrat Scootaloo May 2015 #43
If you're looking to emigrate to a country that doesn't pursue free trade agreements Cali_Democrat May 2015 #46
What part of "I am concerned about the slavery" are you having trouble getting? Scootaloo May 2015 #47
"I wonder if it's too late to take a friend up on her offer of emigration to Finland" Cali_Democrat May 2015 #50
In response to the issue of slavery being ignored in favor of such an agreement Scootaloo May 2015 #56
Jeez, the guy has told you a dozen times what his objection is. BillZBubb May 2015 #61
Some times it's in the best interest of the big corporations and their political puppets rhett o rick May 2015 #70
"Educate yourself." BeanMusical May 2015 #78
TTIP - the USA-EU free trade agreement in negotiation Pooka Fey May 2015 #57
Re: "This language survived the fast-track vote." No. Wilms May 2015 #12
So it didn't make it into the finalized bill? joshcryer May 2015 #16
That's from the article. Wilms May 2015 #30
Menendez's provision made it into the bill, MelungeonWoman May 2015 #34
It's nice to have the administration's priorities spelled out so clearly. nt Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #5
+1 woo me with science May 2015 #36
I'm afraid Mr. Obama isn't the man many of us thought he was. Enthusiast May 2015 #6
I realized that many years ago... BeanMusical May 2015 #73
I don't know if I'm fully understanding it davidpdx May 2015 #9
I am, DavidPDX. If I want to go farther roguevalley May 2015 #39
Thank you. woo me with science May 2015 #59
As POTUS, Obama has done some great things. Quackers May 2015 #10
I am not speechless because this isnt a trade deal we the american people want its a deal the rich cstanleytech May 2015 #14
There are pro-TPA/TPP tv commercials playing around here Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #81
No one is 'allowing' human trafficking. It is still a crime. randome May 2015 #15
The TPP is FILLED with provisions unrelated to trade. stillwaiting May 2015 #22
For whatever reason, he has made the decision that the TPP is not the place to address it. randome May 2015 #24
Come on, we all know Obama is intent on making us all slaves. Good post. Hoyt May 2015 #23
correct me if I am wrong but the roguevalley May 2015 #40
So you're saying to exclude Malaysia from the TPP, is that correct? randome May 2015 #62
I believe that if our country believes roguevalley May 2015 #64
AYFKM? You actually believe an AA man in America doesn't care about slavery? That claim you're okaawhatever May 2015 #68
get sick. you won't be alone. Then roguevalley May 2015 #82
you never loved him anyway! KG May 2015 #17
I struggled with him when he chose his administration... polichick May 2015 #18
+1 CharlotteVale May 2015 #35
+10000000 woo me with science May 2015 #58
...^ that 840high May 2015 #67
+1000 BeanMusical May 2015 #74
He convinced me not to ever sway from voting my principles again. I wont vote Hillary. Katashi_itto May 2015 #19
Apart from your disappointment with President Obama akbacchus_BC May 2015 #21
I don't see much difference between her and Republicans on Economic policies. Katashi_itto May 2015 #29
"I really thought he was the real thing." BeanMusical May 2015 #79
Yeah, very depressing Katashi_itto May 2015 #80
Just asking - Malaysia is not part of the Pacific! akbacchus_BC May 2015 #20
hopefully it will be defeated. then of course the BOG will claim he never wanted to sign it Doctor_J May 2015 #25
Yeah, that bunch is really living in a fantasy world. BeanMusical May 2015 #75
Thank you. woo me with science May 2015 #26
He convinced me to never again settle for the less crappy candidate. 99Forever May 2015 #27
Money and corporate greed is far more important davidn3600 May 2015 #28
I've been struggling with Obama since he was a candidate. bigwillq May 2015 #31
That is my take on him too. Jamastiene May 2015 #71
Who and why they're against it, it will compromise national and state sovereignty: Jefferson23 May 2015 #32
Kick. This is important. woo me with science May 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #37
+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #76
kick woo me with science May 2015 #38
Perhaps the Obama Administration feels that bringing Malaysia lovemydog May 2015 #42
Wow. AngryOldDem May 2015 #44
K & R !!! WillyT May 2015 #45
The hits against this giant turd just keep coming, yet the TPP shooters here keep repeating Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #48
Our 13th Amendment abolishes slavery aspirant May 2015 #49
We'd have to cut off diplomatic relations with half of Eastern Europe DFW May 2015 #51
We're talking TPP and corporate trade. aspirant May 2015 #53
His black heritage is not that of American slavery. Divernan May 2015 #52
Obama could be any race, unimportant aspirant May 2015 #54
This thing keeps getting better and better. historylovr May 2015 #55
Still important. Inexcusable. woo me with science May 2015 #60
Patience. The DLC shills will be along shortly to explain.... HooptieWagon May 2015 #63
I never expected the "comfortable shoes" to be made by children. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #65
kick woo me with science May 2015 #66
Could it be what is known as a poison pill? Could it be an issue that Obama believes will.... Hekate May 2015 #69
HuffPo. ucrdem May 2015 #77
More info on human trafficking in roguevalley May 2015 #85
kick woo me with science May 2015 #72
Kick for the moral sewer of corporate rule. woo me with science May 2015 #83
Kick. This needs to stay on top. woo me with science May 2015 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #86
Corporate interest will reign over all. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #87
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. What.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:09 AM
May 2015

Okay, so. I want to make sure I am unpacking this correctly.

One of the nations included in the TPA is Malaysia.
Malaysia is considered a "Tier 3 Human trafficking violator" by the US state department.
Robert Menendez (of all people!) put in language that would deny trade perks to governments that engage in or ignore slavery.
Obama and the republicans got the language watered down, to let Malaysia in if Malaysia took active steps to fix the problem.
This language survived the fast-track vote.
Malaysia clearly has no plans to deal with the human trafficking problem it has, and if included in the TPP, has zero incentive to do so.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,173 posts)
7. Sounds about right. Malaysia couldn't be part of the club unless they clean up their act.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:32 AM
May 2015

It's starting to sound like the administration has passed the point of passionate advocacy, and has now slipped into full-blown obsession in pursuit of the Great White Whale.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. I wonder if it's too late to take a friend up on her offer of emigration to Finland
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:36 AM
May 2015

I can't wrap my brain around their crazy turkey-speak, but I'm starting to get that "anywhere but here" vibe.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,173 posts)
13. It couldn't hurt to ask. Keep all options open.
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:05 AM
May 2015

For better or worse, I've no choice but to remain here on the Pequod while Captain Obama goes after Moby Congress, or something like that.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
41. Finland is part of European free trade agreements
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:45 PM
May 2015

Free trade isn't exclusively American. In fact, Canada and the EU are big time free traders.

Yes, those evil socialists.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
46. If you're looking to emigrate to a country that doesn't pursue free trade agreements
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

Finland is not the country.

In fact, most countries pursue free trade policies....except maybe Somalia.

You could try to emigrate there.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
50. "I wonder if it's too late to take a friend up on her offer of emigration to Finland"
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:15 PM
May 2015

If you want to emigrate there because the U.S. is pursuing free trade agreements, then you make no sense.

Educate yourself.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
56. In response to the issue of slavery being ignored in favor of such an agreement
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
May 2015

An issue which you are ignoring as well.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
61. Jeez, the guy has told you a dozen times what his objection is.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

Is it that hard for you to understand?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
70. Some times it's in the best interest of the big corporations and their political puppets
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:45 AM
May 2015

to overlook a little human trafficking and slavery, right? Actually if the TPP goes thru and we lose many more jobs, we will essentially become wage slaves right here in River City. But that's ok, isn't it? As long as the wealthy get richer.

"The Oligarchs don't wish us to die, they just don't care that we do." Vote for Clinton and support Goldman-Sachs and the Oligarchy.

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
57. TTIP - the USA-EU free trade agreement in negotiation
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

I can tell you what I know about this from my end, living in France for a decade. Though people on DU do it all the time, one can't really talk about 'Europe' as a single political entity. There are huge cultural differences to consider.

Angela Merkel is pushing this agreement for the EU, but it is NOT something that is popular in France. France still has (mostly) an artisanal agricultural model -- small farmers and smaller exploitations -- which focus on quality - pasture fed cows, etc. French cuisine depends on the quality of the food products available, eating well is a cultural "anchor" here. They call it l'Art de Vivre (the Art of Living).

American beef and dairy is forbidden in France because of all the hormones and filthy conditions of the factory farms (bleach baths for chickens to kill the bacteria from confinement cages). GMO foods are also forbidden here. The American food brands available in French supermarkets are EU friendly non-GMO versions of the same brands you can find at Safeway (Oreos, Pepperidge Farm cookies, Doritos). I see imported fruits from South America, which I never buy. Why would I buy pears and apples from Argentina when my home region is famous for pears and apples? That's globalization for you.

The TTIP would put an end to these restrictions, and open the floodgates to American cheap crap food in the EU. The American Industrial model of farming puts French farmers at an economic disadvantage and would devastate the French agricultural sector. Just like NAFTA destroyed local Mexican farmers.

There are certainly the political equivalent of American neo-cons in Europe, BUT there is also more "push-back" against it here, and workers WILL strike in France. Nobody is ashamed of being a socialist in Europe. If you ever get serious about emigrating, you can pm me with questions.

Re the OP, this is mind-blowing.
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
12. Re: "This language survived the fast-track vote." No.
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:02 AM
May 2015
Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) authored the provision that would effectively bar Malaysia from the agreement, but settled with GOP leaders over modified language that would allow Malaysia to stay in the deal as long as it made progress toward reducing its dependence on slave labor. The modification, however, never made it into the bill.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
16. So it didn't make it into the finalized bill?
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:21 AM
May 2015

I'm so confused.

It sounds like this could actually push Malaysia out of the TPP which Obama would consider a deal breaker.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
30. That's from the article.
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:07 AM
May 2015

But procedural things in the House and Senate is no something I'm familiar with.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
6. I'm afraid Mr. Obama isn't the man many of us thought he was.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:29 AM
May 2015

Plenty of evidence has accumulated by now. But, by all means, decide for yourselves.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
9. I don't know if I'm fully understanding it
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:39 AM
May 2015

But maybe this can be used to kill the TPP if push the human rights issue more before the vote in the House. I live in Asia (South Korea) and while I have never been to Malaysia, I have heard that they have a rather nasty problem with human trafficking. Korea has dealt with human trafficking in the past and had to clean up their act to get added to the visa waiver program.

On a personal note, it's nice to see you. It's been awhile. Are you still up in Alaska?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
39. I am, DavidPDX. If I want to go farther
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

off this planet it would have to be the moon.

I have a dream that this will 86 this agreement if Malaysia isn't going along. I am sick in my heart over this and there is no apologist with any argument that can turn this into something it isn't. Obama isn't against slavery. It is ironic, no? Take care out there, friend. We live in treacherous times.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
10. As POTUS, Obama has done some great things.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:40 AM
May 2015

This is not one of them. This whole TPP mess is like watching a train wreck. We can see it a mile away. The train cars are doomed but are completely oblivious until they reach the crash area.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
14. I am not speechless because this isnt a trade deal we the american people want its a deal the rich
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:25 AM
May 2015

want and the rich for the most part dont want to ban human trafficking, hell they are probably even working at abolishing the 13th amendment.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
81. There are pro-TPA/TPP tv commercials playing around here
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:56 AM
May 2015

trying to get people to call in and tell their elected officials to back the TPA because it will 'create jobs'. That's going to get a lot of low-info regular folks to back it, and give cover to those voting for it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. No one is 'allowing' human trafficking. It is still a crime.
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:06 AM
May 2015

I suppose the reason to not inject the TPP with provisions unrelated to trade is that it opens the door to further amendments and delays. My guess is that Obama thinks bringing Malaysia into the TPP will help diminish such illegal activities.

Only my guess but if anyone wants to imply that he doesn't give a damn about human suffering, I'd have to say you have't paid attention to him for the past six years.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
24. For whatever reason, he has made the decision that the TPP is not the place to address it.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:05 AM
May 2015

I'm willing to defer to someone who clearly has human suffering at the forefront of his concerns.

I can see the viewpoint of withholding trade privileges from any country that doesn't support minority rights, including women and gays, as well as any country that does not take a strong stance against human trafficking.

But geopolitical concerns are rarely so straightforward. If every signatory is forbidden from doing business with a company that has ties to human trafficking, perhaps it's judged a better way to make such practices die off.

Only my guess again.
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roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
40. correct me if I am wrong but the
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

language there prevents amendments. This is what is going to go out if it passes. Obama just doesn't care about slavery.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
62. So you're saying to exclude Malaysia from the TPP, is that correct?
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:26 PM
May 2015

You know what the effect on human trafficking will be then? Absolutely none.

It will still be a crime and it will still be enforced to the best of the international community's capabilities.
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roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
64. I believe that if our country believes
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:22 PM
May 2015

that slavery (their word) is wrong making treaties with countries who practice it is hypocrisy. They will not join if they have to do something about it which means they're cognizant of it. They know and profit off it. I don't think they should profit off us. Call me simple but I don't like guilt by association. There are no provisions in this or upcoming that will end their practices. Obama who is allowing this knowing this won't be making any demands in future for the end of this practice. I would ONCE IN THE UNIVERSE that we live up to our own standards. I am aghast in my DNA that Obama wants this this way.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
68. AYFKM? You actually believe an AA man in America doesn't care about slavery? That claim you're
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:09 AM
May 2015

making actually sickens me.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
82. get sick. you won't be alone. Then
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:42 PM
May 2015

explain how he can let slavery go to get an economic agreement passed. What part of him allowing slavery to be given a pass did you miss? Nice.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
19. He convinced me not to ever sway from voting my principles again. I wont vote Hillary.
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:54 AM
May 2015

I won't vote corporatism.

I really thought he was the real thing.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
21. Apart from your disappointment with President Obama
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:03 AM
May 2015

do you really think that a Republican will be better. It is up to you Americans to have more than two parties. For a nation of over 400 million people, it boggles my mind that you all have only Democrats and Republicans. Try to create a liberal party. Just an opinion.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
29. I don't see much difference between her and Republicans on Economic policies.
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

She might throw us crumbs for social equality, but if we are destitute from corporatism. Social Justice is meaningless.

Maybe after the domestic famines, deaths and the generation or two it would take to rebuild the country after a Republican president. Whatever the countries political system that we end up with might be better...or not.

Either way I am not voting for the lesser of two evils again.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
20. Just asking - Malaysia is not part of the Pacific!
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:00 AM
May 2015

Is there something else that is going on with Malaysia?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
25. hopefully it will be defeated. then of course the BOG will claim he never wanted to sign it
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:17 AM
May 2015

in the first place, that it was all a big chess game to show how extreme the republicans are, and the president "won" and he's smarter than the rest of us.

Keep hoping that we can hold off him and the republicans, and that we can somehow elect a real, moral democrat next year

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
27. He convinced me to never again settle for the less crappy candidate.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

I will vote my conscience and only support and work for actual PROVEN liberals. Neoliberals will never get a shred of anything from me except contempt.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
31. I've been struggling with Obama since he was a candidate.
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:15 AM
May 2015

Never really bought into his campaign, and all his promises, and the hope and change message. He sounded like any other politician, but he did a fantastic job of concealing his slickness. He ran a great campaign, no doubt, and he's done some great things as president. He's also done a lot of things I don't agree with, like TPP. I guess I am mixed on Obama. Don't hate him, don't love him. But I never really fall in love with politicians, especially presidents. They serve their time and purpose and then it's time to move on.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
32. Who and why they're against it, it will compromise national and state sovereignty:
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:30 AM
May 2015

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Response to roguevalley (Original post)

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
42. Perhaps the Obama Administration feels that bringing Malaysia
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:56 PM
May 2015

into the trade deal will make it more likely that governments worldwide can monitor and improve the standards of what goes on there. That doesn't make anyone oblivious to the problem. It might make them most likely to actually help fix it.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
44. Wow.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:14 PM
May 2015

I don't think I recognize this man anymore.

Getting to the point where I am ashamed that I even voted for him. Twice.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
48. The hits against this giant turd just keep coming, yet the TPP shooters here keep repeating
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:55 PM
May 2015

the corporate think tank talking points. Just the fact that scumbags and front groups like McConnell, Hatch, Ryan, CATO, Heritage, US Chamber of Commerce, and all the other top repukes are the biggest cheerleaders should cause serious concern, but it doesn't even show up on their radar screen. The amount of money behind the Pro-TPP lobby is insane when compared to labor, environmental, and consumer groups that oppose it.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
49. Our 13th Amendment abolishes slavery
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:03 PM
May 2015

Obama should respect and enforce this

Any US corporation violating this constitutional amendment should have its corporation charter immediately and permanently revoked.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
51. We'd have to cut off diplomatic relations with half of Eastern Europe
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

Girls and young women are enticed by the thousands out of Russia, Ukraine, Byelarossiya, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, and others, promised paying jobs in Western Europe that will permit them to send money back to their destitute families. Once they reach Western Europe, organized criminals, often from their home countries, now living legally in the West, confiscate their passports and force them into prostitution in places like Scandinavia, Germany, the UK and Austria.

Efforts are sometimes made to interdict it. Some sincere, some not. The bad guys have a lot of money, hot and cold running expensive lawyers, and more than a few paid politicians and cops in their pockets, most of whom know their families and friends will end up as sausage meat if they roll over on their erstwhile benefactors.

Human trafficking is long established right here in Europe, and I don't notice any huge outcry against Europe in Congress. Maybe being NATO members grants them immunity from scrutiny, but if our Congress cared a lot about slavery, I'd have thought they'd have been screaming about the ongoing European version of it long ago. It's not like it's some kind of continental secret.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
53. We're talking TPP and corporate trade.
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:12 PM
May 2015

We have our constitution and should enforce our legal PRINCIPLES at home and not support slavery anywhere.

Our President has sworn to uphold the constitution and when violating the 13th Amendment these unscrupulous corporations doing business in the USA should be extinguished, period.

"long established right in Europe" Can you cite Laws in Scandinavia, UK, Germany and Austria where this is legal and righteous?

The TTIP is waiting in the wings and we need to know exactly who we are trading with.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
52. His black heritage is not that of American slavery.
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

His father was Kenyan - no slave ships in that family's heritage. However, the same is not true for his wife and daughters.

In a crazy way it reminds me of the way conservative GOP Nixon was able to open up normalizing relations with China in a way that a liberal Democratic president didn't dare attempt.

So on this aspect of the TPP, Obama finagles a pass - "oh, it couldn't really promote/approve slavery, because Obama is black."

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
54. Obama could be any race, unimportant
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:23 PM
May 2015

The 13th Amendment abolishes slavery and any President or USA corporation does not have the right to ignore slavery in our country's name.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
69. Could it be what is known as a poison pill? Could it be an issue that Obama believes will....
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:16 AM
May 2015

....be addressed sooner rather than later? Could it be an issue that actually is being addressed right now under different legislation?

So many questions remain unaddressed in this article. Any trade agreement -- especially one this massive -- has a thousand moving parts.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
85. More info on human trafficking in
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:17 PM
May 2015

Malaysia which I am sure he has been briefed about:

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/24/malaysia-finds-graves-of-suspected-trafficking-victims/21186661/

Graves and despair everywhere. Our government gave them this rating:

"The graves discovered in Thailand earlier this month were mostly in southern Songkla province.
Last June, the U.S. downgraded Thailand and Malaysia to Tier 3 — its lowest category — in an annual assessment of how governments handle human trafficking."

He knows. He just doesn't care. The trade deal, secrets and all is the only thing that matters to him. I am sick in my soul.

KICK THIS through the roof. Please. Tweet, repost, get it out there. Thank you.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
84. Kick. This needs to stay on top.
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015

This is the level of moral depravity we face when corporatists are allowed into our government.

Response to roguevalley (Original post)

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
87. Corporate interest will reign over all.
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:51 AM
May 2015

This has been the plan all along, the only difference is they really aren't trying to hide it anymore. They assume, and mostly are correct that most American are "asleep" and the ones who are'nt are locked up in hyperpartisan sparring. For that group they can count on, the people on one side supporting ANYTHING they do because it's their guy, woman, team, in office and the other side guarantees the same support should the ruling banner above the WH change from D to R. I will not say I was duped because I did not expect anything different.

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