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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am really struggling with Obama here
I got this at this link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/senate-passes-fast-track_n_7425614.html
Apparently he's willing to overlook human trafficking to get the TPP through. HONEST TO GOD!
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's trade agenda suffered a setback Friday evening during a series of last-minute maneuvers in the Senate. While the upper chamber eventually passed a bill that would help Obama streamline a trade pact with 11 Pacific nations, the final product threw a wrench into the president's plans.
The Senate approved a bill to "fast-track" trade agreements negotiated by the president. The agreement will prevent Congress from amending or filibustering Obama's controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. The TPP deal would have a hard time surviving without fast-track authority.
But a key crackdown on human trafficking survived the legislative jujitsu. The White House considers the provision a deal-breaker, as it would force one of the nations involved in the TPP talks -- Malaysia -- out of the agreement. An immigration-related amendment authored by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) never got a vote, making it far more difficult for Obama to win over skeptical tea party Republicans in the House.
The slavery provision's survival means that the House will either need to amend the bill and send it back to the Senate, which would cause a delay and complicate the House debate, or pass a bill and go to conference with the Senate, also causing a delay. It also potentially could be fixed in separate legislation otherwise moving through Congress.
But time is not on the side of advocates of the trade agenda, as summer recess is approaching, followed by a heated presidential campaign season. "It leaves a substantial problem that no one's sure how will be addressed," said one senator. If fast-track is ultimately approved, 60 days would need to pass before the TPP could be voted on.
Slavery provision, human trafficking. I am speechless. HOW DO YOU WANT AN AGREEMENT AND BE SO DESIROUS OF IT THAT YOU WILL ALLOW HUMAN TRAFFICKING TO GET IT!?
I am beyond disgusted with this.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)Myself
Malaysia vs. slavery????
delrem
(9,688 posts)They aren't necessarily human.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)he would have fought for a progressive agenda this hard.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)has contempt for a progressive agenda. Look at his appointments.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Okay, so. I want to make sure I am unpacking this correctly.
One of the nations included in the TPA is Malaysia.
Malaysia is considered a "Tier 3 Human trafficking violator" by the US state department.
Robert Menendez (of all people!) put in language that would deny trade perks to governments that engage in or ignore slavery.
Obama and the republicans got the language watered down, to let Malaysia in if Malaysia took active steps to fix the problem.
This language survived the fast-track vote.
Malaysia clearly has no plans to deal with the human trafficking problem it has, and if included in the TPP, has zero incentive to do so.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)It's starting to sound like the administration has passed the point of passionate advocacy, and has now slipped into full-blown obsession in pursuit of the Great White Whale.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I can't wrap my brain around their crazy turkey-speak, but I'm starting to get that "anywhere but here" vibe.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)For better or worse, I've no choice but to remain here on the Pequod while Captain Obama goes after Moby Congress, or something like that.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Free trade isn't exclusively American. In fact, Canada and the EU are big time free traders.
Yes, those evil socialists.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Finland is not the country.
In fact, most countries pursue free trade policies....except maybe Somalia.
You could try to emigrate there.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)If you want to emigrate there because the U.S. is pursuing free trade agreements, then you make no sense.
Educate yourself.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)An issue which you are ignoring as well.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Is it that hard for you to understand?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to overlook a little human trafficking and slavery, right? Actually if the TPP goes thru and we lose many more jobs, we will essentially become wage slaves right here in River City. But that's ok, isn't it? As long as the wealthy get richer.
"The Oligarchs don't wish us to die, they just don't care that we do." Vote for Clinton and support Goldman-Sachs and the Oligarchy.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Ah, the irony.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)I can tell you what I know about this from my end, living in France for a decade. Though people on DU do it all the time, one can't really talk about 'Europe' as a single political entity. There are huge cultural differences to consider.
Angela Merkel is pushing this agreement for the EU, but it is NOT something that is popular in France. France still has (mostly) an artisanal agricultural model -- small farmers and smaller exploitations -- which focus on quality - pasture fed cows, etc. French cuisine depends on the quality of the food products available, eating well is a cultural "anchor" here. They call it l'Art de Vivre (the Art of Living).
American beef and dairy is forbidden in France because of all the hormones and filthy conditions of the factory farms (bleach baths for chickens to kill the bacteria from confinement cages). GMO foods are also forbidden here. The American food brands available in French supermarkets are EU friendly non-GMO versions of the same brands you can find at Safeway (Oreos, Pepperidge Farm cookies, Doritos). I see imported fruits from South America, which I never buy. Why would I buy pears and apples from Argentina when my home region is famous for pears and apples? That's globalization for you.
The TTIP would put an end to these restrictions, and open the floodgates to American cheap crap food in the EU. The American Industrial model of farming puts French farmers at an economic disadvantage and would devastate the French agricultural sector. Just like NAFTA destroyed local Mexican farmers.
There are certainly the political equivalent of American neo-cons in Europe, BUT there is also more "push-back" against it here, and workers WILL strike in France. Nobody is ashamed of being a socialist in Europe. If you ever get serious about emigrating, you can pm me with questions.
Re the OP, this is mind-blowing.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)I'm so confused.
It sounds like this could actually push Malaysia out of the TPP which Obama would consider a deal breaker.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But procedural things in the House and Senate is no something I'm familiar with.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)the modification to that provision did not. HTH
Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Plenty of evidence has accumulated by now. But, by all means, decide for yourselves.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)But he keeps stooping to new lows. Human trafficking, WTF?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But maybe this can be used to kill the TPP if push the human rights issue more before the vote in the House. I live in Asia (South Korea) and while I have never been to Malaysia, I have heard that they have a rather nasty problem with human trafficking. Korea has dealt with human trafficking in the past and had to clean up their act to get added to the visa waiver program.
On a personal note, it's nice to see you. It's been awhile. Are you still up in Alaska?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)off this planet it would have to be the moon.
I have a dream that this will 86 this agreement if Malaysia isn't going along. I am sick in my heart over this and there is no apologist with any argument that can turn this into something it isn't. Obama isn't against slavery. It is ironic, no? Take care out there, friend. We live in treacherous times.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)This is not one of them. This whole TPP mess is like watching a train wreck. We can see it a mile away. The train cars are doomed but are completely oblivious until they reach the crash area.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)want and the rich for the most part dont want to ban human trafficking, hell they are probably even working at abolishing the 13th amendment.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)trying to get people to call in and tell their elected officials to back the TPA because it will 'create jobs'. That's going to get a lot of low-info regular folks to back it, and give cover to those voting for it.
randome
(34,845 posts)I suppose the reason to not inject the TPP with provisions unrelated to trade is that it opens the door to further amendments and delays. My guess is that Obama thinks bringing Malaysia into the TPP will help diminish such illegal activities.
Only my guess but if anyone wants to imply that he doesn't give a damn about human suffering, I'd have to say you have't paid attention to him for the past six years.
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stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)That is, if leaks prove to be accurate.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm willing to defer to someone who clearly has human suffering at the forefront of his concerns.
I can see the viewpoint of withholding trade privileges from any country that doesn't support minority rights, including women and gays, as well as any country that does not take a strong stance against human trafficking.
But geopolitical concerns are rarely so straightforward. If every signatory is forbidden from doing business with a company that has ties to human trafficking, perhaps it's judged a better way to make such practices die off.
Only my guess again.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)language there prevents amendments. This is what is going to go out if it passes. Obama just doesn't care about slavery.
randome
(34,845 posts)You know what the effect on human trafficking will be then? Absolutely none.
It will still be a crime and it will still be enforced to the best of the international community's capabilities.
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)that slavery (their word) is wrong making treaties with countries who practice it is hypocrisy. They will not join if they have to do something about it which means they're cognizant of it. They know and profit off it. I don't think they should profit off us. Call me simple but I don't like guilt by association. There are no provisions in this or upcoming that will end their practices. Obama who is allowing this knowing this won't be making any demands in future for the end of this practice. I would ONCE IN THE UNIVERSE that we live up to our own standards. I am aghast in my DNA that Obama wants this this way.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)making actually sickens me.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)explain how he can let slavery go to get an economic agreement passed. What part of him allowing slavery to be given a pass did you miss? Nice.
KG
(28,751 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Far, far beyond disgust at this point.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I won't vote corporatism.
I really thought he was the real thing.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)do you really think that a Republican will be better. It is up to you Americans to have more than two parties. For a nation of over 400 million people, it boggles my mind that you all have only Democrats and Republicans. Try to create a liberal party. Just an opinion.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)She might throw us crumbs for social equality, but if we are destitute from corporatism. Social Justice is meaningless.
Maybe after the domestic famines, deaths and the generation or two it would take to rebuild the country after a Republican president. Whatever the countries political system that we end up with might be better...or not.
Either way I am not voting for the lesser of two evils again.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I got fooled too.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Is there something else that is going on with Malaysia?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)in the first place, that it was all a big chess game to show how extreme the republicans are, and the president "won" and he's smarter than the rest of us.
Keep hoping that we can hold off him and the republicans, and that we can somehow elect a real, moral democrat next year
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I will vote my conscience and only support and work for actual PROVEN liberals. Neoliberals will never get a shred of anything from me except contempt.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)At least in the eyes of our politicians.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Never really bought into his campaign, and all his promises, and the hope and change message. He sounded like any other politician, but he did a fantastic job of concealing his slickness. He ran a great campaign, no doubt, and he's done some great things as president. He's also done a lot of things I don't agree with, like TPP. I guess I am mixed on Obama. Don't hate him, don't love him. But I never really fall in love with politicians, especially presidents. They serve their time and purpose and then it's time to move on.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)He has done some I agree with and some that I do not agree with.
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woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Response to roguevalley (Original post)
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BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)into the trade deal will make it more likely that governments worldwide can monitor and improve the standards of what goes on there. That doesn't make anyone oblivious to the problem. It might make them most likely to actually help fix it.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I don't think I recognize this man anymore.
Getting to the point where I am ashamed that I even voted for him. Twice.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)the corporate think tank talking points. Just the fact that scumbags and front groups like McConnell, Hatch, Ryan, CATO, Heritage, US Chamber of Commerce, and all the other top repukes are the biggest cheerleaders should cause serious concern, but it doesn't even show up on their radar screen. The amount of money behind the Pro-TPP lobby is insane when compared to labor, environmental, and consumer groups that oppose it.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Obama should respect and enforce this
Any US corporation violating this constitutional amendment should have its corporation charter immediately and permanently revoked.
DFW
(54,330 posts)Girls and young women are enticed by the thousands out of Russia, Ukraine, Byelarossiya, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, and others, promised paying jobs in Western Europe that will permit them to send money back to their destitute families. Once they reach Western Europe, organized criminals, often from their home countries, now living legally in the West, confiscate their passports and force them into prostitution in places like Scandinavia, Germany, the UK and Austria.
Efforts are sometimes made to interdict it. Some sincere, some not. The bad guys have a lot of money, hot and cold running expensive lawyers, and more than a few paid politicians and cops in their pockets, most of whom know their families and friends will end up as sausage meat if they roll over on their erstwhile benefactors.
Human trafficking is long established right here in Europe, and I don't notice any huge outcry against Europe in Congress. Maybe being NATO members grants them immunity from scrutiny, but if our Congress cared a lot about slavery, I'd have thought they'd have been screaming about the ongoing European version of it long ago. It's not like it's some kind of continental secret.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)We have our constitution and should enforce our legal PRINCIPLES at home and not support slavery anywhere.
Our President has sworn to uphold the constitution and when violating the 13th Amendment these unscrupulous corporations doing business in the USA should be extinguished, period.
"long established right in Europe" Can you cite Laws in Scandinavia, UK, Germany and Austria where this is legal and righteous?
The TTIP is waiting in the wings and we need to know exactly who we are trading with.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)His father was Kenyan - no slave ships in that family's heritage. However, the same is not true for his wife and daughters.
In a crazy way it reminds me of the way conservative GOP Nixon was able to open up normalizing relations with China in a way that a liberal Democratic president didn't dare attempt.
So on this aspect of the TPP, Obama finagles a pass - "oh, it couldn't really promote/approve slavery, because Obama is black."
aspirant
(3,533 posts)The 13th Amendment abolishes slavery and any President or USA corporation does not have the right to ignore slavery in our country's name.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)And by that I mean worse and worse.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is the moral gutter of corporate rule.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...how cool slavery is.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Hekate
(90,627 posts)....be addressed sooner rather than later? Could it be an issue that actually is being addressed right now under different legislation?
So many questions remain unaddressed in this article. Any trade agreement -- especially one this massive -- has a thousand moving parts.
'Nuff said.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Malaysia which I am sure he has been briefed about:
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/24/malaysia-finds-graves-of-suspected-trafficking-victims/21186661/
Graves and despair everywhere. Our government gave them this rating:
"The graves discovered in Thailand earlier this month were mostly in southern Songkla province.
Last June, the U.S. downgraded Thailand and Malaysia to Tier 3 its lowest category in an annual assessment of how governments handle human trafficking."
He knows. He just doesn't care. The trade deal, secrets and all is the only thing that matters to him. I am sick in my soul.
KICK THIS through the roof. Please. Tweet, repost, get it out there. Thank you.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is the level of moral depravity we face when corporatists are allowed into our government.
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Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)This has been the plan all along, the only difference is they really aren't trying to hide it anymore. They assume, and mostly are correct that most American are "asleep" and the ones who are'nt are locked up in hyperpartisan sparring. For that group they can count on, the people on one side supporting ANYTHING they do because it's their guy, woman, team, in office and the other side guarantees the same support should the ruling banner above the WH change from D to R. I will not say I was duped because I did not expect anything different.