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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear Bernie. Welcome to the real political world. You're not in Vermont anymore.
You see, in the real world, if you launch your campaign in a crowd of white people and don't mention race at all, you are going to get criticized for it. This is because, in the real world, there are a lot of different issues and a lot of different constituencies. You're no longer campaigning in a homogeneous state of 600,000 people who mostly already agree with you on everything.
This isn't the first time you're going to make a mistake and get heat for it. Oh, and if by some miracle you win the nomination, it's only going to get worse. Trust me.
If you want some help getting your footing here, reach out to a friend. Hillary Clinton, maybe. She's been in this world for quite some time, has had every word out of her mouth scrutinized for the last decade, and still manages to out-poll everyone else running for president, Republican or Democrat.
Correction: as pointed out in responses, Bernie did in fact say the word "race" in his speech, but somehow that wasn't enough to placate those pesky race-obsessed liberals. It's like they actually think that race is a really important issue! Really!
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I heard lots of issues mentioned, including issues of race.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But one would need to read the transcript or watch the video in order to know that.
I second your
frylock
(34,825 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Yer in for it now!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It's going to be a long campaign season.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)I assume the OP must be supporting O'Malley or someone else. Because he sure as hell isn't doing Hillary any help bringing up the importance of the subject of racism in a Democratic campaign.
Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)lol
treestar
(82,383 posts)The cheerleaders! The Tiger Beat idolizers!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's hardball time as it should be. No coronations. We vet them before the general. Get mistakes out of the way now.
eloydude
(376 posts)Once her real stance on issues that are key revealed and are shown out of sync or out of touch with the progressive Democrats, many will be looking for another alternative, and there is one, by the name of Bernard Sanders.
kacekwl
(7,021 posts)getting tired of the constant picking apart of every word said by a candidate. I am smart enough to wade through th B.S. as are most. Give me your position and plans to get there and I will decide thank you.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I guess it's time for the 3rd string to give it a try.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)In the mean time, you'll be skewered for criticizing St. Bernard.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)particularly when it has some basis in fact, which this apparently may have missed by more than just a bit.
BTW the speech is available on YouTube in case anyone would care to watch it prior to posting criticisms that are well.......
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... until the adoring crowd at DU starts to get a grip.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)not.
I like Bernie, but I really, really dislike his supporters at DU. You guys are doing him no favors by acting like angry, spoiled children.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Do you know the meaning of the word?
Please tell me what I said that was hypocritical.
polly7
(20,582 posts)someone you obviously do not support, it's much more than something 'you said', and odd, for someone claiming to be pro-feminist who would never consider doing it to a woman candidate. Subtle though, I'll give you that. Honestly, are you hoping he's seen as an old dog?, a dirty dog?, a dumb dog (many people say St. Bernard's aren't the most intelligent breed - I've heard it myself, my Dad loved them and had two, people really did tell him that and believed it.)? Otherwise, just making your joke/play on his name would have been done with only 'what you said'. A picture, however, is worth a thousand words. Are you hoping right-wingers pick it up and embellish it a bit?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I support Sanders, but not his DU followers. I find them tedious with their insistence that he is perfection embodied and the second coming of the Kucinich.
I explained the picture to you, and it is a play on words -- the "dog" reference is nearly irrelevant. If you don't like it, alert it. See how it goes.
Again, your claim of "hypocrisy" has evaportated. I am, however, quite impressed how a detached Canadian could generate such passion in support of someone she doesn't support.
==========
Rather than having to endure one second more of your howling, I'll throw you a bone and change the picture to the real St. Bernard. I hope this scratches your itch.
polly7
(20,582 posts)And no, I don't think it's nearly important enough to alert on, maybe my lack of sleep last night has something to do with how I see it - if you're flattering him with a cute dog picture, I apologize.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and Tiger Beat idolizers of Obama who now think they can come right out and say they love Bernie or he's adorable. I love it!
They are going to get the full treatment. Bernie can do no wrong to them and they are going to deserve every comment along these lines.
polly7
(20,582 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Those who did should jump on you for this. We've been told supporting Obama meant we thought he was our "boyfriend" and that we suffered from blind adoration. So where are they? They should be making fun of you for being in love with Bernie. Interesting they have a double standard.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 11:41 AM - Edit history (1)
someone who did what you said. I chimed in on every ugly, insulting graphic depicting Obama ...... so don't even go there.
I called out a post that to me was ugly - I don't care who it was against. I also apologized if I was mistaken regarding intent. The poster changed it, so obviously he/she considered what it could be seen as.
Someone should make fun of you!!!! for something. lol.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Since you missed those types of posts completely.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I just told you I chimed in on every ugly picture I saw. What's your problem anyway? Why make up lies about me, just something to kick? - no coffee yet?
treestar
(82,383 posts)straight out. And I was a teenaged swooner. So you get that label too now! This is fun.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Care to explain?
I think you missed the point of my replies to the poster who was not you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)I *get* what you are saying - but there's no reason to communicate with a hostile individual.
You do you - and let them do them!
I think there are quite a of us 'BOG' ers that get it precisely.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Fri May 29, 2015, 08:53 PM - Edit history (2)
And I'm very happy and proud 'to do me'.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)most loyal protectors ever. I know. I have owned 5 of them over the years and the Saint's were, hands downs - the Best babysitters I could have ever had.
Smart, loyal, honest.....good choice
MADem
(135,425 posts)This is a guy who defenestrated himself rather than submit to an arranged marriage! I learn something new every day when I come to DU!
I doubt the crowd will get much of a grip--they enjoy the scrum. If you want to avoid it, stick to the safe havens or the more partisan sites in other places on the web....otherwise, hold your nose and wade through.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I don't think he took any offence to this nickname.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)The adolescents have taken over DU ...
Pure silliness ...
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Is about behavior ... Let's not try to misdirect ...
Sancho
(9,070 posts)I just posted Bernie's announcement speech and Hillary's SC speech side by side in another thread. The contrast is dramatic.
Yachts in the background, lots of white people, discussions of "oligarchy." You can get away with that on Meet the Press or maybe in Vermont, but the real world notices.
I thought Bernie's speech was angry, confusing, and missing much of the American electorate. Say what you want, Hillary hits all the points, she is relaxed and sometimes humorous.
What politician in the last 40 years doesn't understand putting diversity in every appearance?
There's no reason to bash Bernie's circular firing squad. He won't last much longer if he doesn't make better public appearances.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bwahahahaha! I wonder if any are owned by execs at Goldman-$achs?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Link to his speech and his mention of race.
Where every person, no matter their race, their religion, their disability or their sexual orientation realizes the full promise of equality that is our birthright as Americans.
Senator Sanders did mention race.
He absolutely failed to address the racial issues, especially the failure to provide equal access in accordance with 14th amendment to blacks and Hispanics.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Years ago but it is still a problem. It will be an issue a president will have to face, ergo, it is a very important issue. A president can not pick and choose issues they may want to deal with
tblue37
(65,488 posts)http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/08/bernie-sanders-busts-republican-fraud-voter-id-laws-report.html
{SNIP}
The study confirms that the voter fraud threat is a smokescreen that is being used by Republicans to depress turnout and keep people from voting. Sen. Sanders deserves a great deal of the credit for this report. Sanders initiated the request for the GAO to do the study.
It might seem obvious that that voter suppression is the purpose of voter ID laws, but having data to support the claims makes all the difference between having facts versus a political debate about beliefs. The facts are on the side of those who understand the real intent of voter ID laws.
{SNIP}
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Of course there is that 'set theory' thingy... when the larger set is 'every American', when you argue for 'every American' you include all subsets and strata.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)this endless attempt to find a position in which Hillary excels, reeks of desperation.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)He damn well did mention race. And gasp those horrible white people voted for Barack Obama twice- overwhelmingly, in greater percentages than any other state than Hawaii. Is there any reason he shouldn't kickoff in his home state? Most candidates do.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Why are people so mean to politicians!
corkhead
(6,119 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)sgtbenobo
(327 posts)Which works out to be about 6265 individuals of all ages and dispositions were available statewide to attend Bernie's announcement. That some in this thread suggest that organizers should have paid more attention to optics is insulting and actually pretty creepy. I smell a rancid wind blowing from Troll Town.
Stay Calm
and buy
an axe handle
LuvNewcastle
(16,856 posts)to bus in some people of color. That's the kind of shit Republicans do to give their rallies diversity, and it turns people's stomachs when it's brought to their attention. I don't expect to see politics as usual from Bernie. I can't say yet if it's going to be successful, but I think it's refreshing.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Notice how lily-white his supporters are.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)L
arcane1
(38,613 posts)But it's behind a paywall, so I couldn't read the whole thing:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2015/04/22/sanders-blocks-trade-agreement/26201571/
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)you will see the scaffolding around the Capitol Rotunda Dome which is undergoing repairs.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The shit stirring is rising to epic proportions!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)to lecture to Senator Sanders about American Politics. He is one of the most knowledgeable politicians in the Country.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Surely anyone who does this must also be incredibly knowledgeable.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)I did not lecture or address Al Gore in any way. I agreed with the OP who stated that he felt Gore had made a mistake by distancing himself from Bill Clinton during his campaign.
I am most definitely not "incredibly knowledgeable" about American politics. But, I believe that Senator Sanders is.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Remember, the entire state of Vermont is a single Congressional District.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary, has had many heavy management positions in the
government. Experience is in important!
Bernie is has done well for his state, but has very few
accomplishments.
frylock
(34,825 posts)seeeen it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Last time I checked, Vermont is still America.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Arkansas: 2.9m people / 77% white / 15% black / 6% Hispanic
Vermont: 600,000 people / 96% white / 1% black / 1.5% Hispanic
Vermont is still America, but hardly very representative of the country.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Does someone have to be from a certain state in order to be a good president?
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)I think it's important given that the president has to represent all 320 million Americans.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sanders has much more experience than Clinton.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)It's about what's important in a candidate our Democratic candidate. Having the right values and beliefs is, of course, up top. But there is certainly something to be said for preferring a candidate who has led a diverse constituency that has a decent represention of the country as a whole.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)That the President support ALL WORKERS and their families, who have suffered nearly 35 years now ....
I will vote for the President who makes work/pay issues for ordinary families foremost on her/his agenda ... and not worrying so much about pleasing the megabankers and other, assorted hyper-rich neer-do-wells ...
I like Hillary's populist slant in recent communications, but, I am concerned it is not real ...
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Her support of the poor and working class goes back decades not just in "recent communications." She has supported and called for a living wage countless times, and voted for it in the Senate. She has fought for equal pay for women. She has stood with unions. She has pushed for increasing and extending unemployment insurance. She has a 94% Lifetime Rating from the AFL-CIO.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Only one congressperson, been there since before I was even born. I also live in a very white state and tend not to look very dark. I could have been in the crowd at an event here and it would be called a sea of white faces.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Most politicians have to work with not just Dem's, but GOP too!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Methinks your turnip truck must have hit a bump in the road.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)No one is fully prepared for a national presidential political campaign until they have experienced one personally. Yes there is a learning curve and yes good politicians often make what can be seen, sometimes only in hindsight, as stupid errors. Even very seasoned national candidates like Hillary Clinton are said to "get rusty" when they have been off the national campaign trail for too long. Remember all that talk about how she performed initially on her book tour?
It is still VERY early in the 2016 election cycle. If Bernie Sanders or anyone else doesn't show an ability to tune up their initial campaign from when it starts to when it finishes, they are very unlikely to succeed. Let's see how Bernie does in that regard here. I'm betting that he can integrate (pun intended) the feedback he receives into his campaign, but we shall, as always, see.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The smell of desperation in the morning.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Reach out to Sec. Clinton for help?
I doubt that that's what the OP means, and I really hope that the Clinton campaign musters a better strategy than selling the candidate as a Washington insider.
There are few sufficient words, though, for the silliness of trying to sell Clinton as more experienced.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And the "vetting" has not even yet begun. Who knows what else they will find in his past? Hopefully for him he does not get far enough for the press to go looking. And the Republicans. Actually the Republicans will dig up dirt. That they don't is that they don't think he's likely to be their opponent in the general.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)via FOX newz style "questions" and dishonest insinuations.
treestar
(82,383 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)but of course FOX doesn't give a flying fuck about the topic other than opposing so maybe their "vet" will do little more than highlight what decent people call positives.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I know Ms. Clinton is quite proud of working for White working people and used to feel it important to qualify it as such, but Sanders actually has a record of working for all working people with no such qualifiers.
Try Red baiting instead, you might get more traction with that, not because Sanders is a Communist or anything, but because Democratic Socialist sounds scary to your right wing friends who will help you throw your mud pies.
I mean, if you are going to fling stuff, do it the smart nasty way rater than he laughably stupid nasty way as such will be less effective negative campaigning.
God bless and good luck with your mud pies, I know they can be fun at a certain developmental age.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)brooklynite
(94,737 posts)Hillary Clinton on Wednesday called for broad changes to the criminal-justice system, including the use of body cameras in every police department and reduced incarceration, in the latest evidence of an emerging consensus in both parties on an issue that has been a potent political tool.
The policy ideas marked a new approach for Mrs. Clinton, who took hard-line positions on crime both as first lady and as a U.S. senator.
Mrs. Clinton, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, pointed Wednesday to a string of recent cases in which black men have died at the hands of police. She spoke at length about this weeks riots in Baltimore that followed the death of a man while in police custody.
These recent tragedies should galvanize us to come together as a nation to find our balance again, she said in a speech at Columbia University in New York. She cited the impact of incarceration on black men, who make up about 6% of the nations population but 37% of its jail and prison population, according to the Census Bureau and Justice
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-calls-for-overhaul-of-criminal-justice-system-1430323284
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Don't you?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Response to frylock (Reply #90)
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)they think they are the modern democratic party LOL
bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)MHO though, YMMV.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Where is her campaign money coming from again?
If Wall Street is the "modern democratic party" then the two parties really are too much alike.
frylock
(34,825 posts)maybe try the GUN NUT!!!12 route again.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I am bi-racial. I am GenX. I am on a fixed income due to chronic health problems. My best friend and is wife are hispanic GenXer's. They have 3 children. He works two jobs while she stays at home with the kids barely making ends meet. My other close friend is an Asian American who has worked IT for 20 plus years. He is now off the unemployed lists because he simply can't find work after training his own Indian H1B replacement at Wells Fargo almost 5 years ago.
We are but a small fraction of the non white baby boomers that support Sanders' candidacy.
You might want to get out into the real world more!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Apparently I struck a nerve.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Throw bullshit against the wall to see if it sticks. When challenged with reality, smuggly dismiss with smilies?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)See you in the primaries Bernie fan. That will expose the real BS!
TM99
(8,352 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)And he has promised not to attack her.
How can he talk about racism in America while ignoring Hillary's racist 2008 campaign? If he starts talking about it too much, someone is going to ask him about that. How can he respond to, "do you think Hillary Clinton should be disqualified from ever being a Democratic office holder after her last minute attempts to change election laws to suppress the Black vote in Nevada during the 2008 primary?"
If he says "yes", he is attacking Hillary.
If he says "no" or refuses to answer, then he is ignoring the rebirth of Jim Crow election laws, e.g. not addressing concerns of a very large portion of the Democratic base.
You are right. He should reach out to Hillary for advice on this. Her apparent strategy for dealing with the problem is to pre-emptively imply her opponent doesn't consider racism a big issue. When the voters are inevitably reminded of her racist 2008 campaign, she appears to be reading the reply...
"But I have more Black friends than Bernie!"
hughee99
(16,113 posts)After all, she won a Senate seat in 2000 against Rick Lazio with 55% of the vote while her husband was a very popular sitting president.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)NY is also heavily Democratic downstate.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)I keep hearing about this supposed contraversy with Bernie Sanders and race on this website. What happened?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)He didn't discuss race issues, almost at all. And the crowd was almost all white.
Some people (not just on DU) commented that they were disappointed that he didn't say more about race, and that it didn't look great to have a white guy in front of a white crowd, and failing to mention race.
Other people then chimed in that this was unfair criticism, because Bernie Sanders has been a long supporter of civil rights since the 60s.
You can imagine what happened next...
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)I don't get why people are mad, though. I could see if he said something racist, but that seems like a nitpick.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'd like to know.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Two more white people lecturing us about how Sanders has a race problem (when he doesn't!)
Throd
(7,208 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Hair on fire over one speech. Its comedy gold.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)What's going on here?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)tears smell like a port a potty.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)He mentions 'church' and 'faith' and 'Christian' repeatedly. His entire nod to LGBT people involved no word of support at all: "We're distracted from our real failures, and told to blame the other party, or gay people, or immigrants."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/10/AR2007021000879.html
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Correction: as pointed out in responses, Bernie did in fact say the word "race" in his speech, but somehow that wasn't enough to placate those pesky race-obsessed liberals. It's like they actually think that race is a really important issue! Really!
Surely you jest.
Because with all that said and done these days, the problems with what's happening with race is more important to me than anything else the candidates might speak of to date.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)and sternly scolded and told to go back and edit my OP to acknowledge this.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Response to DanTex (Original post)
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AzDar
(14,023 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They come to DU and post OPs in which they've cherry picked and twisted phrases or the flawed "optics" used by Obama and now Hillary. Every possible evil intent considered and promoted as if it were reality.
Then these same folks lose their collective minds when that exact same tactic is used against their latest political BFF.
Go figure.
Rex
(65,616 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The Radical Education of Bernie Sanders
...as a college student he organized sit-ins against segregation, worked for a union, protested police brutality and attended the 1963 March on Washington. Throughout that time, the central theme of his life has never wavered.
...By his 23rd birthday, Sanders had worked for a meatpackers union, marched for civil rights in Washington D.C., joined the university socialists and been arrested at a civil rights demonstration.
...The civil rights movement also became a home for him. He became leaders of an NAACP ally called the Congress of Racial Equality at a time when most civil rights activists were black. He was arrested while demonstrating for desegregated public schools in Chicago.
...On a frigid Tuesday afternoon in January, 1962 the 20-year-old from Brooklyn stood on the steps of University of Chicago administration building and railed in the wind against the colleges housing segregation policy. We feel it is an intolerable situation, when Negro and white students of the university cannot live together in university owned apartments, the young bespectacled student told the few-dozen classmates gathered there. Then he led them into the building in protest, and camped the night outside the presidents office. It was Chicagos first civil rights sit-in.
http://time.com/3896500/bernie-sanders-vermont-campaign-radical/#3896500/bernie-sanders-vermont-campaign-radical/
Civil Rights Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm
Bushs tracking citizens phone call patterns is illegal
Voted YES on reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act.
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage
Voted NO on banning gay adoptions in DC
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions
Constitutional Amendment for equal rights by gender -- co-sponsored
Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record.
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery -- co-sponsored
ENDA: prohibit employment discrimination for gays.
Prohibit sexual-identity discrimination at schools
Endorsed as "preferred" by The Feminist Majority indicating pro-women's rights.
Enforce against wage discrimination based on gender -- co-sponsored Paycheck Fairness Act
Enforce against anti-gay discrimination in public schools -- co-sponsored
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Perhaps the OP should study Bernie's history before posting such foolishness.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)time and effort that would be better served as trying to paint Sanders as a GUN NUT!!!12, or insensitive to issues of race.
eleanor record
(1 post)He has an impressive record on civil rights, far better than Hillary Clinton.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)Fri May 22, 2015 at 07:11 AM PDT.
by unapologeticliberal777.
As I stated earlier, this coalition was historic, but the question is, can it be duplicated by Bernie Sanders? Of course not - African-Americans turned out in historic numbers for an historic first - to nominate the first AA to head a national ticket in a presidential election. But if Sanders is to win the nomination, he is going to have to attract a lot of votes from minority voters.
Democratic, progressive candidates running in Democratic party primaries appear, for the most part, to run better amongst middle and upper middle class, progressive, white voters but always seem to struggle with minority voters.
Why is that?
Is it that the issues that are most important to white progressives within the party, who vote in Democratic primaries not as important to minority voters? Are their priorities different? Are issues of jobs, the economy, civil rights, etc., more important to minority voters within the party and issues related income inequality, global warming, the NSA and the Patriot Act more important to progressive, white voters? Is there a difference, based on income, education, or culture that these groups tend to vote differently in Democratic primaries? And if that is the case, how does Sanders put a winning coalition together?
I ask these questions because clearly, Bernie Sanders is going to have to figure this out. I have no doubt that Sanders can compete with Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire next year - caucus and primary voters in both states are overwhelmingly white with strong progressive steaks running through them, especially in Iowa. But once those two states votes and the primary calendar shifts to states like South Carolina and Nevada, which have large African-American and Latino populations who votes in each states primary/caucus, will Sanders be able to compete with Clinton in caucuses in Las Vegas with Latino voters or African-American voters in Florence and Columbia, South Carolina?
Clearly, Sanders' campaign is going to have to work hard for the votes of minority voters, who will have a huge influence in big primary states like New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas, Illinois and California, that will have a huge role in determining who the nominee is.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/22/1386854/-Bernie-Sanders-and-Minority-Voters-in-Democratic-Primaries#
Bernie's fans dismiss these concerns at their peril. I agree with the poster who said..."Bernie's greatest liability is his supporters".
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)many of whom will co-opt the real struggles and issues of others in a cynical bid to shut you down.
frylock
(34,825 posts)That way we can keep the Bernie-Hillary sniping in a separate forum, so GD can remain true to its original purpose, which is to bash Obama...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739612
Rex
(65,616 posts)But about other people...wink wink.
The OP is so obvious in his shit stirring that it is somewhat painful to watch.
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)As a African American in his late 20's , who listened to Sen.Sanders speech he addresses issues that not only affect the white community but the communities of People of Color.
He mentioned how high the unemployment rate for African American youth is (17+) which is an issue that if were he were President could help lower therefore mobilizing African Americans into the middle class.
Someone pointed out how HRC has called for the end of mass incarceration credit to her but where were these calls back when she was a senator?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I really liked him then ... what happened?
Is it me? .... did i do something wrong?
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)you can be called a racist for being from Vermont anyway
by people who betray by their actions that Bernie is indeed a serious threat to their own favored candidate.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I am undecided, and I really want to know the answer to that question.
droidamus2
(1,699 posts)Dan, I live about 30 miles northeast of Burlington (as the crow flies). We do NOT have a huge diversity of people in the state! the state itself is less then 700,000 people. Should Bernie's people have people bussed in to create a diverse group? As far as race being mentioned his record speaks for itself. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026741056
DanTex
(20,709 posts)spend a good deal of time around Lake Champlain, both sides. One of the most beautiful places I've seen. Been to the Burlington waterfront where the event was held, would have loved to have been there to see it.
No, I don't think he should have bussed people in. I'm just saying that, when you run for president, people are going to take every misstep, or perceived misstep, and make a big deal out of them. Hillary has been dealing with this for years, surely you've seen all the nonsense anti-Hillary threads around here.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)you can start dispensing political advice when you can dump Mr. Cruz and Mr. Abbot.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)NYC is much better. And I'll stand by DeBlasio any day.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Don't be surprised if he endorses Bernie...Bernie cares about urban issues in a way HRC never did, even when she was the senator from an urban state (if she ever had cared about race or poverty, Daniel Patrick"Benign Neglect" Moynihan would never have anointed her as his chosen successor). HRC was the best U.S. senator Westchester County ever had.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)If he has future presidential ambitions, he'll probably endorse Hillary. If he wants to stick to NYC politics and then become some kind of progressive advocate, then Bernie.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's not as if the only choices are HRC or political oblivion.
I get it that you back HRC...but quit acting like she's the only one in this race who deserves and respect.
The country is changing...we don't have to settle for path-of-least-resistance politics anymore, and we don't have to give up on actually winning the argument or setting the national agenda.
The real enemies are timidity and failure of nerve. That's what killed us in 1968, 1980, 1984, 1988, and 2004.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I have tons of respect for Bernie, but I also think that, at this point in time, someone with presidential ambitions is probably better served politically by tying themselves to the Democratic establishment (i.e. the Clintons) than embracing a long-shot who is likely to lose the primary. Especially De Blasio, coming from NYC and being an unabashed progressive on pretty much all issues, if he wants to build a national brand, is going to need to avoid being painted as a New York elitist liberal.
I don't like it any more than you do. I would like to live in a country where you can just tell the truth and be liberal and then win. But that's not where we live. Something like half of Americans think that creationism should be taught in schools. Winning elections requires playing politics.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He also has glaringly neglected to inform the American voter what his most inspirational Bible passage is.
In contrast to Hillary Clinton's issue-and-policy dense campaign, he's clearly getting off on the wrong foot!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)HOW IS BERNIE SANDERS GOING TO ADDRESS HIS GLARING NEGLECT OF NEW COUNTRY?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Seemed like an SNL piece.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Like 3 am, when it is earwormed in your head.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)To
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BAAAAAAAAACK
AMERRRRRRRRICUH
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)White people too?
Wow, your throwing out all the stops!!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And Bernie would have won in a multiracial state just as solidly as he did in Vermont.
What was he suppose to do? Cancel the speech just because not enough of them had showed up?
And does he have to spend most of his time talking about bigotry in order to earn the right to bring up economic inequality?
Bernie's voting record proves he cares about fighting bigotry in all its forms.
There's no way you can seriously argue that HRC is better on anti-oppression issues than Bernie. She lost any right to claim that for the entire rest of her life when she made the last three months of her 2008 campaign into a blatant argument that she should be nominated because she was the last white candidate in the race(that's what she meant when she ran "I'm one of you" campaigns in Texas and West Virginia, states she would have lost just as badly in the fall as Obama did).
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The point is, when you're running a national campaign, things are different. You have to be sensitive to a lot more things than when you are running for senator of Vermont. One of them is the fact that some people think that race is an important enough issue that you should mention it strongly. And "what was he supposed to do" doesn't make criticism go away. It's literally impossible to make everyone happy all the time.
Hillary has been dealing with this kind of thing for years, and like I said, she's come out of it with high favorability ratings and good poll numbers. Even on DU, there are tons of threads daily about pointless nonsense attacking Hillary.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)think that race is an important issue. Bernie has nothing to prove. It's enough that his actual voting record is better on all anti-oppression issues than HRC's.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bernie has nothing to prove to you or me, at least not on this issue. But he does have something to prove to the electorate. And running for national office means scrutiny. The criticism that he doesn't talk enough about race is at least as valid as most of the nonsense that gets hurled at Hillary here on a daily basis, and this is on a Democratic message board.
The only thing Bernie has to prove to me is that he can win against the GOP. And he's pretty far from having done that.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)in the overall campaign.
You sound like the modern-day equivalent of those who argued that Eugene McCarthy's 1968 campaign was somehow not progressive because he didn't mention race exactly as often as RFK did(which implies that Vietnam somehow didn't matter).
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)It'd be more convincing if an actual candidate said it rather than some anonymous guy on the internet.
whathehell
(29,094 posts)https://suburbanstats.org/population/vermont/list-of-counties-and-cities-in-vermont
As you can see, the proportion of people of color to whites is much less than in most other states, something Tavis
Smiley pointed out to then-candidate Reverend Al Sharpton when the latter criticized former governor Howard Dean for not
having enough people of color in his cabinet.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Loose on the facts, plenty of distortion. Cool thread overall.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Scared shitless, are you Dan?
You should be. Bless your heart.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The GOP controls both houses of congress, and if the Hillary bashers manage to weaken her enough that she loses to Bush, Rubio, or Walker, that would be pretty bad.
But that's just me. Sometimes I wish I could share the childish indifference to the future of the nation that some of the anti-Hillary people have.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. he's going to retire her from politics, something she should have done herself, years ago.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The question is whether the Democratic "base" gets carried away with the Hillary bashing to the point that she loses the GE.
But most likely, once he concedes, he will campaign vigorously for Hillary, which will be good.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Except you, Dan?
He's going to show her a healthy dose of the American people have had their fill of neoliberal manipulation and "triangulation." If you see that simple truth as "going negative," then this real liberal, Democrat can live with that.
The gig is up, Dan, we're going to take this nation back and straighten it out, in spite of the most carefully laid plans of the banksters, their lobbyists, AND the receivers of their sacks of cash.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)He said he likes and respects Hillary. Maybe you think he's lying, but I don't.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Not just Vermont voters. This is true of anyone. Obama won in Illinois but had a plan for national campaign. Hillary already has national level experience. You should be holding Bernie's feet to the fire as you did Obama's and make sure to criticize any mistakes he may make in this new endeavor.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)...issue of POC, espically after that voting block has now reached critical mass...
OPENLY and OFTEN
will get better results than Kerry
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)This "mistake" is the invention of desperate people with no principles.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)When defending Sanders, you might consider trying to NOT offend everyone who is still trying to figure him out. It will be better for him.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)There's a reason why the high road is esteemed and the low road is not.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Yeah.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The "group" you're talking about is trying to slime a good man with an entirely invented charge. Anyone who takes part in that is as unprincipled as they come.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I'm referring to undecided Democrats looking at Sanders' state and his base and wondering if he will have diverse appeal.
You seem to be referring to people who have made some sort of charge against Sanders. Can you direct me to a comment or two by people who are making these charges? I have a feeling, if they are saying what you suggest they are saying, that I might agree with you.
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EDIT: Looking over the thread, the author of the OP is definitely taking the approach I suggested -- just asking the question, not making any charges. However, in several of the posts on this thread, Hillary has been accused of being racist. What is your reaction to that?
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Yellow journalism. Nice. Is Hillary racist? What has that got to do with making slimeball accusations against Bernie? I would say that if Hillary approved (explicitly or implicitly by silence) the action to make the racism charge against Bernie then she's equally culpable / lacking in principle, but that's as far as I go on the subject.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)DanTex:
Some people (not just on DU) commented that they were disappointed that he didn't say more about race, and that it didn't look great to have a white guy in front of a white crowd, and failing to mention race.
Other people then chimed in that this was unfair criticism, because Bernie Sanders has been a long supporter of civil rights since the 60s.
DanTex:
Hillary has been dealing with this kind of thing for years, and like I said, she's come out of it with high favorability ratings and good poll numbers. Even on DU, there are tons of threads daily about pointless nonsense attacking Hillary.
Asking the question: Does Sanders have a diverse appeal? That question, not yours.