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elleng

(130,156 posts)
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:37 PM May 2015

MESSAGE FROM GOV. SIEGELMAN:

I really appreciate everyone's support.

I wanted to thank Susan Bruce for her suggestion for perhaps starting another petition to the president. My thought on this is to perhaps encourage members of Congress to sign a petition, because members of Congress are just as vulnerable to being accused, indicted and convicted of quid pro quo bribery for accepting a campaign contribution, and then voting in favor of an issue supported by the donor.
Under the ruling in my case, all it would take would be a jury that could infer or imply a bribe rather than there actually having been one.
Susan, you may remember that until the judicial decision that sent me to prison, the US Supreme court had said that it took an ‘explicit agreement’, one where the terms of the agreement were asserted before one crossed the line from politics to crime where a campaign contribution was involved.

With the ruling in my case, as Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, George Will, points out in his Washington post column: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…/2012/02/09/gIQA4hy34Q_story…, the decision puts "dangerous discretion in the hands of prosecutors to criminalize politics."

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MESSAGE FROM GOV. SIEGELMAN: (Original Post) elleng May 2015 OP
Now that we finally got rid of AG Holder, can we finally get something done about this? tularetom May 2015 #1
Yes. Now that we're rid of Holder. misterhighwasted May 2015 #3
It's really up to the President, elleng May 2015 #5
You're right, what's his problem anyway? tularetom May 2015 #6
I don't know, elleng May 2015 #16
Well, he did nominate Elena Kagan (Solicitor General who said Seigelman should get 20 years) OnyxCollie May 2015 #18
If it's going through the DoJ, it's going through David Margolis. OnyxCollie May 2015 #21
Very interesting! red dog 1 May 2015 #22
K&R for Don Siegelman. OnyxCollie May 2015 #2
recommend samsingh May 2015 #4
How much time does he have left? Renew Deal May 2015 #7
Not sure, I believe not too long ago, Holder's DoJ argued on the side of lengthen his sentence. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #10
What did Don do to piss off the dlc/3rdway so bad? Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #14
It's a very strange. The Republicons railroaded an up and coming Democrat and the Democratic Party rhett o rick May 2015 #29
"Holder's DOJ"? red dog 1 May 2015 #15
It doesn't really matter. They both own it. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #28
He is eligible for release some time in 2017. former9thward May 2015 #30
Maybe Bernie could take up the cause KamaAina May 2015 #8
Yep, and not wait until the end of his term to do it either. Do it right at the beginning cascadiance May 2015 #9
Maybe Pres Obama is going to pardon him when he pardons Cheney to take some of the rhett o rick May 2015 #11
Regarding accusations of quid pro quo political bribery: consider the current GOP's attacks on HRC Hekate May 2015 #12
This man should have been out years ago florida08 May 2015 #13
So what is Bernie's position on Siegelman's predicament? n/t pnwmom May 2015 #17
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 May 2015 #19
I like Don Siegelman's idea of asking members of Congress to speak out on his behalf. JDPriestly May 2015 #20
Did you receive that in an email? Luminous Animal May 2015 #23
No, Luminous; elleng May 2015 #24
FREE Don Siegelman bvar22 May 2015 #25
"Criminalize politics" Jamastiene May 2015 #26
K&R. pacalo May 2015 #27
K&R woo me with science May 2015 #31

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. Now that we finally got rid of AG Holder, can we finally get something done about this?
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:42 PM
May 2015

Even George Effing Will, one of the least credible pundits in the entire beltway media, gets it.

Free this man now!

elleng

(130,156 posts)
5. It's really up to the President,
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:00 PM
May 2015

he doesn't need any a/g to coach him on this except the process does go through the Department of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/pardon

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. You're right, what's his problem anyway?
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:04 PM
May 2015

I'm unaware that he has ever expressed any interest, much less outrage, over the whole situation.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
18. Well, he did nominate Elena Kagan (Solicitor General who said Seigelman should get 20 years)
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015

for the Supreme Court, so there's that.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
21. If it's going through the DoJ, it's going through David Margolis.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

That's your problem, right there.

Department of Justice Pulls a Whitewash on Siegelman Whistleblower
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2009/10/department-of-justice-pulls-whitewash.html

The report becomes even more dubious when you consider OSC's recent history. Federal agents raided the office of former OSC chief Scott J. Bloch in May 2008 amid allegations of improper political bias and obstruction of justice. The New York Times reported that agents were trying to determine if Bloch, a 2003 George W. Bush appointee, had hired an outside firm to scrub his computer.

Gee, where would a Bush loyalist ever come up with such an idea?

As we reported last November, substantial evidence indicates Bloch and associate deputy attorney general David Margolis did their best to sweep Grimes' allegations under the rug and protect Leura Canary. And it appears that Bloch, before leaving office with the feds on his tail, removed Grimes' most serious allegations--making sure investigators would not even look into them.

How bad have things been at OSC in recent years? Consider this article from governmentexecutive.com in May 2009. It provides a searing analysis of the agency's woes:

The Office of Special Counsel is an independent oversight agency charged with protecting federal employees from prohibited personnel practices, particularly whistleblower retaliation. For an agency that must build a reputation for fairness with federal employees and other agencies, scandals like the ones during Bloch's tenure can be especially harmful.

"There was a lot of damage done," says former Deputy Special Counsel Timothy Hannapel, who served under Clinton-appointed Special Counsel Elaine Kaplan. "We'd tried to put the agency on a new path to credibility and . . . it was all just erased and in a drastic way, with the credibility of the agency at rock bottom."


“Since (Bush-appointee Richard) Armitage is currently the Under Secretary of State, he is in charge of the Foreign Narcotics Control Office of the State Department, which is supposed to control cocaine and heroin…. The famous quote by Kerry Committee senior panel member Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii (D-Hawaii) should be noted. When Armitage was put under oath, he kept calling him (Armitage) "Mr. Cocaine" instead of "Mr. Secretary…."

“Armitage was also a member of the restricted access group known as RAG-1 (Restricted Access Group One) along with Elliott Abrams, Clair George, Attorney General Ed Meese, David Margolis, Chief of Domestic Criminal Operations of the Department of Justice. The purpose of RAG-1 was first to develop and then to coordinate the CIA’s policy of trafficking in narcotics on a large-scale basis, in order to produce ongoing covert revenue streams pursuant to the aid and sustenance of illegal operations of state.

“Richard Armitage coordinated CIA heroin trafficking principally out of Cambodia and Laos, and he was a close confederate of General Huang Soong, the CIA’s principal (narcotics) trafficker in Cambodia…. (Note: Bush certainly knew about Armitage’s sordid history when he appointed him. In fact, Bush may have done so to further his own, personally frustrated reach within the black budget community, which has excluded presidents from its prized technology secrets)

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/106834.shtml


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2009524

The Public Integrity Section's real purpose is to act as a unit within a much larger political liability control mechanism within the Department of Justice. The Public Integrity Section also acts to coordinate the management and suppression of information and the management of political liability with other federal agencies.

Lee Radek has been Chief of the Public Integrity Section for a very long time. He has acted with his confederates within the DoJ, namely Dave Margolis , then Chief of the Domestic Criminal Section and Mark Richards, then Chief of the International Criminal Section of the DoJ. These three men, operating under the auspices of Deputy Attorney General George Terwilliger, essentially managed the Iran-Contra Cover-up for the Department of Justice.

I have talked with Dave Margolis several times. The only thing he ever did was threaten me. He would say to me that if I revealed anything to congressional committees, or if I leaked any thing out into the press, that I would be subject to all sorts of unpleasant things. Everything was "national security" with these guys.


"Bad News for the Bad Guys"
"This is truly bad news -- for the bad guys," Mark A.R. Kleinman wrote
(http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2005/08/career_prosecutor_to_supervise_plame_probe.php)

August 13, 2005. "Margolis made his prosecutorial bones doing organized crime cases, eventually rising to Chief of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, from which position he supervised the seventeen Organized Crime Strike Forces which more or less won the war on the Mafia. ... Margolis has a stratospheric IQ, has been known to wear Willie Nelson t-shirts to work, is used to long investigations using somewhat edgy investigative techniques, and can't be intimidated by anybody."


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Margolis
David Margolis was chosen in August 2005 by Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey to supervise Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald who is conducting the Valerie Plame CIA leak investigation.

"Comey was the only official overseeing special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's leak investigation. With Attorney General Alberto Gonzales recused, department officials say they are still trying to resolve whom Fitzgerald will now report to," Michael Isikoff wrote in the August 15, 2005, Newsweek.


AFTERNOON SESSION OF A HEARING OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SUBJECT: OVERSIGHT OF THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CHAIRED BY: REPRESENTATIVE JOHN CONYERS (D-MI) WITNESS: ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO GONZALES LOCATION: 2141RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. TIME: 12:17 P.M. EDT DATE: THURSDAY, MAY 10, 2007

REP. CANNON: No, this is the Cohen editorial, the one she referred to, yes.
General Gonzales, thanks for being here. I think you're very gracious to address these accusations as serious and not react to the suggestion of duplicity. There may be duplicity out of 110,000 employees, but I think you've been very direct here this morning.

You're familiar with Mr. Margolis at the Department of Justice, are you not?

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: Yes.

REP. CANNON: And my understanding is, he's the senior career employee at the department. Is that right?

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: I think he may not be the senior, but he's certainly one of the most senior.

REP. CANNON: Probably one of the most outspoken. And he was actually interviewed, and I'd like read some of the comments that he made. He was asked by Mr. Broderick-Sokol: "And then you testified -- then you testified that you said something to the effect of 'but this goes -- but this does open the door to a more responsible' -- and you used that word" -- that is, "more responsible" -- "to a focused process to identify weak performers and make some changes, and you thought that was a good idea."

And Mr. Margolis said -- responded, "I thought it was a great idea, long overdue."

Now, Mr. -- I believe it was Mr. Scott who was talking about the CRS report on firings at the Department of Justice, which is retrospective, of course. And here you've got a senior member or a senior person at the Department of Justice pointing out that he thought what you were doing here was a great idea.

A little more here. "To move on to another thing, you mentioned -- during your testimony earlier in the day, I believe that you had indicated that you thought it was good of the department to embark on an exercise like this." That is, reviewing U.S. attorneys.

Mr. Margolis: "Absolutely. And I should add one of my sadnesses" -- his word -- "I have a lot of sadness about this, but it was a great idea. Our execution wasn't particularly good, but we didn't have much experience with it."

So this is a new idea, new process here. But one of my great sadnesses is I fear that down the road, people will shy away from doing this again because of the burning here. In other words, he's condemning the politicization of this process. And so when a U.S. attorney called me a couple of weeks ago to run an idea past me, he said I want to take some action, but I want to run it past you and take your temperature because I don't want to get fired. I said to him, "Buddy, you could urinate on the president's leg now and it wouldn't work" -- (laughter) -- suggesting that the department has, in fact, been affected.

And again, Mr. Margolis is one of the very senior career guys who happens -- I think you would agree he loves the department?

ATTY. GEN. GONZALES: No question about that.

REP. CANNON: He cares about the institution.

REP. CANNON: And was called on to testify, because they thought he would do what he suggested could be done without being fired I suppose. Were you involved in any way, he was asked, about the decision to put Ms. Lam on the list?

He says, "So it didn't surprise me in that sense. Because when Mercer was PDAG, he used to tell me about problems he was having with her, vis-a-vis immigration and immigration and guns."

ATTY. GEN. GONZALES: I believe.

REP. CANNON: Then he goes on, and he says, "Based upon my interaction with her and what other people, including Ms. Mercer, said, both then and now, in reading my -- and I love Carol like a sister. An outstanding investigative lawyer, an outstanding trial lawyer, tough as nails, honest as the day is long, but had her own ideas about what the priorities of the department would be and was probably insubordinate on those things."

Nobody's claiming Mr. Margolis is political or politicizing this process. He's saying this is a process that was good, and he wants it to happen or to continue.

Then he says, "She called me primarily to tell me that, I think she said, I think I just got fired by Mike Battle." A little later, he says, "And then she speculated to me that it was over immigration and guns." She had been told what the problem was.

By the way, I think he said it was a very pleasant conversation. So this is not about competency. Nobody's saying Ms. Lam wasn't competent. But she wasn't doing and she understood she wasn't doing what the president wanted. Do you think that's correct, Mr. Gonzales?

ATTY. GEN. GONZALES: I think there's -- first of all, let me just say that Carol and these other United States attorneys -- I mean, they're fine individuals and very, very fine lawyers.

REP. CANNON: Thank you. I don't want to cut you off, but I just want to put one more. And this is Mr. Margolis again, "I was asked about David Iglesias. Given everything I know today, he would have been number one on my list to go, and that's because he didn't call and report the phone calls." That's right, and he goes on to talk about that.

So we did have some problems with some of these guys in the sense they weren't exactly paradigms of competence, were they?

ATTY. GEN. GONZALES: It was my idea that these individuals had been identified by the senior leadership in the department as having issues or concerns. And that a change would be legitimate.


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This is the person whom David Margolis remembers as a “bad one.”

Thomas E. Dewey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

Dewey rocketed to fame in 1935, when he was appointed special prosecutor in New York County (Manhattan) by Governor Herbert H. Lehman. A "runaway grand jury" had publicly complained that William C. Dodge, the District Attorney, was not aggressively pursuing the mob and political corruption. Lehman, to avoid charges of partisanship, asked four prominent Republicans to serve as special prosecutor. All four refused and recommended Dewey.[12]

~snip~

Dewey's targets were organized racketeering: the large-scale criminal enterprises, especially extortion, the "numbers game", and prostitution. He pursued Tammany Hall political leaders known for their ties to gangsters, such as James Joseph Hines.

~snip~
Dewey next turned his attention to Luciano. Dewey raided 80 houses of prostitution in the New York City area and arrested hundreds of prostitutes and "madams". Many of the prostitutes — some of whom told of being beaten and abused by Mafia thugs — were willing to testify to avoid prison time. Three implicated Luciano as controller of organized prostitution in the New York/New Jersey area — one of the largest prostitution rings in American history.[11] In the greatest victory of his legal career, Dewey won the conviction of Luciano for the prostitution racket, with a sentence of 30 to 50 years.[13]

However, Dewey did more than simply prosecute gangsters. In 1936 Dewey helped indict and convict Richard Whitney, the former president of the New York Stock Exchange, for embezzlement. Dewey also led efforts to protect dockworkers and poultry farmers and workers from racketeering in New York.[14] In 1936 Dewey received The Hundred Year Association of New York's Gold Medal Award "in recognition of outstanding contributions to the City of New York". In 1939 Dewey prosecuted American Nazi leader Fritz Julius Kuhn for embezzlement, crippling Kuhn's organization and limiting its ability to support Nazi Germany in World War II.


HOUSE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOLDS A HEARING ON THE U.S. ATTORNEYS INVESTIGATION
OCTOBER 3, 2008

SANCHEZ: OK, thank you.

And just two last questions. As this administration leaves office, one of the concerns that I have is the potential for documents and witness -- or documents to disappear and witness intimidation to occur.

And your report establishes ample evidence of this type of conduct having occurred. Department officials still don't seem to understand some of the gravity of what has happened here.

And even as recently as a week ago Monday, senior DOJ officials -- specifically, David Margolis, who has joked about the U.S. attorney firings as the, quote, unquote, "recent unpleasantness," and I would allege it's a little bit more than unpleasantness -- was continuing to intimidate career employees by warning them that they should not communicate with the press if they are concerned about wrongdoing.


HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HOLDS A HEARING ON THE U.S. ATTORNEY FIRINGS
MAY 23, 2007

DELAHUNT: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you for your appearance here today. And I just want to speak about the process -- the hiring process and the termination process. It came to me as a surprise that someone of your experience -- and I say this respectfully -- was delegated by the attorney general, via an executive order, that bypassed Mr. McNulty, that was extraordinary in its powers and authority to someone of your limited experience in terms of your legal experience. Were you familiar with that order?

GOODLING: I was.

DELAHUNT: That's -- you answered my question. What came to me as a surprise -- and maybe you can explain to us why the executive order by the attorney general bypassed Mr. McNulty who is the second in command. And as an addendum to that order, a so-called control sheet, it was stated that he was not to be made aware of the order. I find that disturbing in terms of having a professional process that wasn't about political appointees, but was about career and interim appointees.

DELAHUNT: That I find very disturbing.

GOODLING: I'd like to explain to you what the reason was.

DELAHUNT: Please.

GOODLING: This issue came up late in the fall of 2005. The Justice Management Division notified me that they had determined that the deputies attorney general going back many years -- or at least a long period of time, maybe even into the previous administration -- had been signing off on personnel actions that had never been delegated to them, and in some cases had further delegated those decisions to others. And they told me that David Margolis was one of those individuals that had made some decisions. There had never been a delegation of the personnel authority down to the deputy attorney general, and no ability for that individual to further delegate. And they had realized that they had a problem, that there had been all these personnel actions that had been signed off...

~snip~

CANNON: Actually, no, he told this committee that he did report the contact, using not the telephone or e-mail, but through the medium of the press. I don't know if you're aware of that or not, but I -- personally I think the reasons for his replacement are self manifest and probably don't need to be gone into much more.

But we've discussed the president's power involved in appointing these really at-will employees. I'd like to read into the record a description of the job security for U.S. attorneys by Mr. David Margolis. I love this line: "If Senator Kerry were elected after the 2004 election, these people would be out on the street, anyway. So it's not like we're, you know, taking the jobs out from under them."


DAg 2740-2780
An Investigation of Allegations of Politicized Hiring by Monica Goodling and Other Staff in the Office of the Attorney General
(U.S. Dept. of Justice)

Finally, we found that in a separate example of political screening, Goodling contacted Associate Deputy Attorney General David Margolis to inquire about Ohlson, who was being considered for the position of EOIR Director, after Rooney had announced his retirement in February 2007. According to Margolis, Goodling asked: “As to your friend Kevin Ohlson, can you tell me whether he’s a D or an R?” Margolis told us that he told Goodling that Ohlson was a career Department attorney, but that he may have been more “politically attuned” to Republicans than to Democrats. (p. 112)


Report Faults 2 Authors of Bush Terror Memos
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/us/politics/20justice.html?_r=0

The ethics lawyers, in the Office of Professional Responsibility, concluded that two department lawyers involved in analyzing and justifying waterboarding and other interrogation tactics — Jay S. Bybee, now a federal judge, and John C. Yoo, now a professor at the University of California, Berkeley — had demonstrated “professional misconduct.” It said the lawyers had ignored legal precedents and provided slipshod legal advice to the White House in possible violation of international and federal laws on torture. That report was among the documents made public Friday.

But David Margolis, a career lawyer at the Justice Department, rejected that conclusion in a report of his own released Friday. He said the ethics lawyers, in condemning the lawyers’ actions, had given short shrift to the national climate of urgency in which Mr. Bybee and Mr. Yoo acted after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Among the difficulties in assessing these memos now over seven years after their issuance is that the context is lost,” Mr. Margolis said.

~snip~

Mr. Margolis said that in rejecting harsher sanctions, “this decision should not be viewed as an endorsement of the legal work that underlies those memoranda.” But he said the legal advice of Mr. Yoo and the other lawyers, while “flawed” and insufficient in some areas, did not rise to the level of “professional misconduct,” which could have resulted in bar reviews or other disciplinary action.

Indeed, Mr. Margolis’s 69-page report was often more critical of the ethics office than of the Bush administration lawyers themselves. Mr. Margolis, who has served at the Justice Department for more than three decades and handles many high-level disciplinary issues, saved some stinging criticism for Mr. Yoo.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. Not sure, I believe not too long ago, Holder's DoJ argued on the side of lengthen his sentence. nm
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. It's a very strange. The Republicons railroaded an up and coming Democrat and the Democratic Party
Thu May 28, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

leaders turned their backs on him. Maybe he was too progressive for the DLC.

red dog 1

(27,648 posts)
15. "Holder's DOJ"?
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:19 PM
May 2015

I doubt very much that it was Holder's decision to ask Siegelman's judge to lengthen Don's prison sentence
I'm sure that it was Obama who made that decision, not Holder.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
9. Yep, and not wait until the end of his term to do it either. Do it right at the beginning
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:27 PM
May 2015

If Obama doesn't pardon him now, Bernie should commit to doing so. And maybe even pardon others like Chelsea Manning and provide some avenue of pardon for Edward Snowden too.

Heck, maybe even time arresting someone like Jamie Dymond on the same day to underline the priorities of who he's going to start providing "justice" for then.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. Maybe Pres Obama is going to pardon him when he pardons Cheney to take some of the
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:53 PM
May 2015

sting out. But what do I know?

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
12. Regarding accusations of quid pro quo political bribery: consider the current GOP's attacks on HRC
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:43 PM
May 2015

Those in Congress and those running for POTUS, in collusion with elements in the MSM, are after her on the same specious charges. The latest *hole to announce his candidacy said, "No one is above the law, even if their name is Clinton."

Beware, people.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
13. This man should have been out years ago
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:47 PM
May 2015

Damn Rove and his mob mentality politics. Don't know how Don has kept himself together through all this.

http://truthinjustice.org/siegelman.htm

red dog 1

(27,648 posts)
19. K&R...Thanks for posting
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015

President Obama's decision to ask for a longer prison sentence for Don Siegelman might be the worst decision he's made as POTUS

I wish someone would ask Obama why he did this to a totally innocent and popular Democrat
(from a very red state, too)

Don is scheduled to be released in late 2017.

"Don Siegelman Denied New Trial: Bribery Conviction, Prison Sentence Upheld by Federal Appeals Court"
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/05/don_siegelman_not_entitled_to.html

"Will President Obama Ever Pardon Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025113875

More on the Siegelman case:
http://www.freedonsiegelman.org/

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. I like Don Siegelman's idea of asking members of Congress to speak out on his behalf.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:41 PM
May 2015

I suggest we begin with the four Democrats in the Senate who voted yes on the Fastrac/TPP.

Wyden is a pretty good place to start, seems to me.

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