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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:52 PM May 2015

Bernie, it won't be good enough until

your campaign brings pandering to HRC's level. How are we supposed to get behind all this sincere economic woo? It won't be good enough until you collect tons of cash from corporations, pay lip service to social justice for minorities, and hide from reporters. Then we'll know you're the real deal!

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Bernie, it won't be good enough until (Original Post) whatchamacallit May 2015 OP
He can't speak sincerely about race and gender, etc? gollygee May 2015 #1
I have one question. When he talks about economic and environmental issue etc. is there a jwirr May 2015 #18
I'm white so I can't say for sure gollygee May 2015 #20
That is true. I guess I already knew his stand on the issues from both a poc and a woman's point of jwirr May 2015 #22
I expect they will too gollygee May 2015 #25
Hillary isn't going to win PoC when they are reminded of her racist 2008 campaign. ieoeja May 2015 #34
Have they forgotten? gollygee May 2015 #35
If they haven't forgotten, then they don't care about Black voter suppression. ieoeja May 2015 #36
I can't believe any people of color don't care about black voter suppression gollygee May 2015 #38
Did you forget the sarcasm smilie or upaloopa May 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever May 2015 #8
pandering? to minorities and their voice? wow. nt seabeyond May 2015 #3
It flew so far over your head it struck a passing 747. BeanMusical May 2015 #75
If you gave Hillary one second of your time. NCTraveler May 2015 #4
Talking about economics = sincere, talking about racism = pandering. gollygee May 2015 #7
I agree with you one hundred percent. NCTraveler May 2015 #10
Do you have the ability to call out the whatchamacallit May 2015 #11
"reprehensible OP that inspired this one?" NCTraveler May 2015 #16
+1. nt seabeyond May 2015 #12
considering... kenfrequed May 2015 #76
Yes BrotherIvan May 2015 #78
Whatever gets him elected is more important right now gollygee May 2015 #83
He is speaking honestly BrotherIvan May 2015 #84
Tone deafness,thy name is a Sanders supporter on DU. nt sufrommich May 2015 #5
We prefer to let his record speak for him, but we will call bullshit when it's warranted. NYC_SKP May 2015 #9
They think insulting Hillary along with the people who would happily voter for her ... JoePhilly May 2015 #13
fug, i am even a sander supporter but have been declared a traitor. they go way beyond seabeyond May 2015 #14
Inspiring like this? whatchamacallit May 2015 #15
I could post 100 or so counter examples of Sanders supporters, attacking hillary, no? JoePhilly May 2015 #19
Such a silly notion whatchamacallit May 2015 #21
Actually, she already has lots and lots of voters all lined up. JoePhilly May 2015 #23
Does JoePhilly honestly believe whatchamacallit May 2015 #27
I do not need to make converts for Hillary. She's very well known and admired. JoePhilly May 2015 #37
Again, only the candidate can win people over whatchamacallit May 2015 #39
I did not say you needed to be nice. JoePhilly May 2015 #40
Lol whatchamacallit May 2015 #41
So the folks writing OPs here are NOT trying to influence opinion. ah, Ok. JoePhilly May 2015 #42
A math problem that won't be solved by anything said in here whatchamacallit May 2015 #43
He said, shaking his fist in impotent rage. JoePhilly May 2015 #44
That's right, which makes all your blather about my "not helping Bernie" pointless whatchamacallit May 2015 #45
like Obama did in 2008 JI7 May 2015 #28
Exactly correct. JoePhilly May 2015 #32
You're being very kind by calling it "tone deafness" but you nailed it nonetheless Number23 May 2015 #67
The criticism of him is really undeserved and unfortunate. He fought his entire life: NYC_SKP May 2015 #6
Until he's sipping wine in a dimly lit, five-star restaurant, peecoolyour May 2015 #17
And that is why we need to defeat the republicans in 2016. Agschmid May 2015 #26
2/10/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #24
Pay lip service to the social justice of minorities??? giftedgirl77 May 2015 #29
seem to think it's a big fuckin joke. seabeyond May 2015 #30
Nope, got it loud & clear. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #46
It's people's lives gollygee May 2015 #31
Thank you & like I've said in the AA forum... giftedgirl77 May 2015 #48
Listen up whatchamacallit May 2015 #33
Your OP states... giftedgirl77 May 2015 #47
I'm not making light of anything whatchamacallit May 2015 #49
Alert Results.... FTR I'm not a sock, just a pissed off minority member. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #50
a member of DU's ever shrinking number of minority members screaming to be heard seabeyond May 2015 #53
All day long whatchamacallit May 2015 #55
no. i will listen, while you alert. you really hsould be the one listening. nt seabeyond May 2015 #56
Um... whatchamacallit May 2015 #59
I wish someone would explain what was aggressive & abusive about my post. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #64
because I'm a female minority speaking my mind bluntly & to the point? seabeyond May 2015 #65
Maybe it had something to do with referring to me as a whatchamacallit May 2015 #69
I wasn't referring to you, assholes was plural. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #70
Word Salad whatchamacallit May 2015 #72
No, just trying to explain to you. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #73
Cool story, bro! whatchamacallit May 2015 #74
Are you aware that among those members, it is not all rah-rah Hillary, right? Bonobo May 2015 #80
no, they are not monolithic. and yes, clinton has 87% of african american support. fluidity seabeyond May 2015 #87
Please proceed #7, you won't find many better records on race or anything else but what record you TheKentuckian May 2015 #62
... Number23 May 2015 #68
Say it loud, say it proud. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #71
Manny, one of your socks is out and loose!!1! Jackpine Radical May 2015 #51
Simply making an effort to be inclusive and diverse is "pandering" now? KittyWampus May 2015 #52
Only if it's insincere whatchamacallit May 2015 #57
+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #79
He needs to bring forth concrete policy proposals! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #54
Too late! He was supposed to address every issue yesterday! Doctor_J May 2015 #58
No kidding whatchamacallit May 2015 #60
K&R woo me with science May 2015 #61
Hillary can't compete with Bernie in the economic policy arena. Maedhros May 2015 #63
Seems to be the deal whatchamacallit May 2015 #66
You have Clinton supporters all over this thread BrotherIvan May 2015 #77
This hard working white person finds the ever shifting agendas around here Hillarious Fumesucker May 2015 #81
I don't know that it's been level headed BrotherIvan May 2015 #85
And yachts. beam me up scottie May 2015 #82
No no! BrotherIvan May 2015 #86

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
1. He can't speak sincerely about race and gender, etc?
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:56 PM
May 2015

He seems to have sincere feelings about those issues. He has to excite those groups if he wants to win, but that doesn't mean pandering. He speaks about economic issues he cares about and excites a lot of people. He can speak about discrimination issues he genuinely cares about and also excite a lot of people. I want him to win, and I plan to vote for him, but I recognize that he won't win if women and people of color vote heavily for Clinton.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. I have one question. When he talks about economic and environmental issue etc. is there a
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:19 PM
May 2015

reason that black people think that they are left out of the plan? Aren't these issues also important to them?

They are to my family.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. I'm white so I can't say for sure
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

but as a woman I expect a candidate to speak specifically to the issue of abortion rights. A candidate who doesn't talk about that, even if I agree with them about other issues, hasn't given me confidence. I suspect people of color feel the same way about racism. They want it specifically talked about and on a regular basis. I have read his voting record and I know he cares about these issues. He can talk about it without pandering.

Economic issues aren't enough when your civil rights are threatened. You need those problems handled too.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
22. That is true. I guess I already knew his stand on the issues from both a poc and a woman's point of
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:35 PM
May 2015

view. I just plain expect both he and Hillary to continue to back these long time Democratic issues.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. I expect they will too
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:40 PM
May 2015

but he has to excite these groups of people if he wants to get them to the polls and vote for him. I do want to see him do that. I don't think he will. Or maybe he will change tracks and talk about these kinds of issues more as we move toward the primaries.

The fear is the Supreme Court. What if he finds a wonderful candidate as far as economic issues go (let's say personhood of corporations, etc.) but who is anti-abortion? Or who isn't strong on voting rights or police issues? I don't think he'd nominate anyone like that, but people have to see that. He has to regularly talk about these issues to gain people's confidence.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
34. Hillary isn't going to win PoC when they are reminded of her racist 2008 campaign.
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

The Clinton campaign has to know they are in HUGE trouble after that. This is a pre-emptive attempt at deflection. When the 2008 reminders start coming in, they will say, "but Hillary has Black friends and Sanders doesn't."

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
35. Have they forgotten?
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:14 PM
May 2015

It appears to me that they remember and still support her over Sanders. It is a big thing, the level of support she has, and it isn't because people of color have bad memories. It will be difficult for Sanders to overcome this.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
36. If they haven't forgotten, then they don't care about Black voter suppression.
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:25 PM
May 2015

So, yes, I would say they have largely forgotten.

Remember every Rightist saying on 9-12-2001, "bet you're glad your guy didn't win now"? The response to that was obvious. Yet, I never heard or read the obvious response to that in the media even once on that day.

Most people readily forget what they don't want to remember.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
38. I can't believe any people of color don't care about black voter suppression
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:28 PM
May 2015

but as I'm white I can't speak to this. I know that 87% (or whatever the number is) of African American voters support Clinton. I don't think 87% have horrible memories. I remembered that and it didn't even directly affect me. There must be something else about Clinton that gains their confidence, or something about Sanders that doesn't gain their confidence.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie or
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:58 PM
May 2015

have you run out of good things to say about Bernie and now you have to attack Hillary's campaign process?
Your ass will be saved when Hillary appoints 4 liberal Justices to the Supreme Court. She can only do that by competing against the right on equal terms and that takes money in 2016.
So go pat your conscience on the back for being a good Bernie supporter talking about the money he won't be spending, not because of his virtue but because you can't run for President on $10 contributions. He can't raise enough to enter the General election campaign. Your day in the sun is limited!

Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. If you gave Hillary one second of your time.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:02 PM
May 2015

You would become educated enough to know this is an area she is not pandering. Don't let that get in the way of your little screed.

This is straight up Fox News shit here.

"pay lip service to social justice for minorities, and hide from reporters. "

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. Talking about economics = sincere, talking about racism = pandering.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

I'm sure he has sincere feelings about each of them, and I'm sure Clinton does as well.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. I agree with you one hundred percent.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:07 PM
May 2015

I seem to have the ability to stand up for Clinton while not bashing Sanders. I also seem to have the ability to stand up for Sanders without attacking Clinton.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. "reprehensible OP that inspired this one?"
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:16 PM
May 2015

I like that you are able to directly link to your inspiration. We should all be this honest when our petty side shows. Kudos for that.

I don't do tricks for people making blatant right wing arguments. "It won't be good enough until you collect tons of cash from corporations, pay lip service to social justice for minorities, and hide from reporters. Then we'll know you're the real deal!"

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
76. considering...
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:51 PM
May 2015

Considering that sanders has actually DONE things to combat racism both as an activist and a legislator...

I rate doing things to fight racism far more important than a few platitudes thrown out on it before running from hard questions about economics.

Besides, Bernie was among the first of politicians to speak out on Ferguson. Pretending that he doesn't have a record or whatever is bull. And anyone who spins to "optics" are the very ones rubbing mud on the telescopic lens.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
83. Whatever gets him elected is more important right now
Fri May 29, 2015, 06:28 AM
May 2015

because he won't win with how things are going. I don't know what he has to do to change that, but I feel confident he can.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
84. He is speaking honestly
Fri May 29, 2015, 12:46 PM
May 2015

You are judging a single 35 minute speech. One speech. You are trying to say he can't win because of something ginned up by 20 people on DU. People need to learn about who he is and what his issues* plural are. As Hillary ran a racist campaign in 2008, plenty of people remember that, trust me.

PS. I see your avatar changed overnight.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. We prefer to let his record speak for him, but we will call bullshit when it's warranted.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:05 PM
May 2015


Sanders' dad was the only survivor in his family of the holocaust, this may have influenced his early fight for equal rights.

In his second year of college, for example, he fought for equal housing rights for blacks with whites.

Check it out.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
13. They think insulting Hillary along with the people who would happily voter for her ...
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015

... is a great way to get those same people (who Bernie would desperately need to win the primary) to switch from Hillary to Bernie.

There is a reason the progressive wing of the party struggles to win elections.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. fug, i am even a sander supporter but have been declared a traitor. they go way beyond
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

insulting those they want to encourage to their side. they kick some of us outta their side, lol

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. I could post 100 or so counter examples of Sanders supporters, attacking hillary, no?
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

You do realize that, right? I could probably go to the Greatest page and find a couple right now.

It was only a matter of time until some of Hilary's supporters returned fire.

Look ... feel free to believe that democrats who already like Hillary will switch and support Bernie in the primary if you attack her more.

That strategy will be about as effective as demanding some progressive launch a primary challenge against Obama back in 2011.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. Actually, she already has lots and lots of voters all lined up.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:37 PM
May 2015

And to beat her in the primary, you'll have to get lots and lots of them to switch from her, to him.

This is simply a fact.

So what you should definitely do attack her non-stop, and talk down to those folks.

That will definitely sway them.

And I'm the one with silly notions.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
27. Does JoePhilly honestly believe
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:43 PM
May 2015

he is persuasive enough to make converts for Hillary? Most adults will weigh the words and deeds of the candidates themselves. Only the weakest of minds will be swayed by posts on an internet forum. Yeah it's a silly notion. I notice you didn't admonish the poster of the "Not good enough, Bernie" OP for the same thing.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
37. I do not need to make converts for Hillary. She's very well known and admired.
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

Which is why most Democrats already believe she'd beat any Republican. They believed it to be true in 2008, and they believe it now.

It is YOU have who needs to convert people away from Hillary, and over to Bernie, in the primary. Or not. Its completely up to you.

The first issue those people will care about when they "weight the facts" and compare the candidates will be "Which one WILL ABSOLUTELY ensure that the GOP does not take the White House."

That is the top priority, because a candidate's positions on every other issue are MOOT if they lose the general.

And so, I do not need to convince any one to "switch" to Hillary. I'd happily vote for her. And if Bernie were to win the primary, I'd happily vote for him.

It is Bernie's supporters who will need to do the convincing if they intend on winning the primary.

This is a straight-forward math problem.



whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
39. Again, only the candidate can win people over
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:31 PM
May 2015

The idea that I will make people favor Sanders by being nice on DU is lame.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
40. I did not say you needed to be nice.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:20 PM
May 2015

Clearly, that's not going to happen, and it would be silly for me to suggest it.

What you need to be, if you want to help Sanders I mean, is be smarter in terms of how you position Sanders relative to potential GOP opponents.

I really do not expect the members of the DU Combustible Hair Club to figure any of this stuff out. They'll scream about the need for better more progressive candidates, and do nothing to advance that cause.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
41. Lol
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015

You've got a whole fantasy world going. How do I position Sanders relative to potential candidates? That's Sanders' job. And at whom would I be aiming this effort, suggestible DUers? You don't really think the crap you post in here is helping Hillary in the real world do you?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. So the folks writing OPs here are NOT trying to influence opinion. ah, Ok.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:43 PM
May 2015

I don't need to help Hillary.

Read my posts in our exchange ... do I promote her in those posts? nope.

I'm describing a math problem.

A math problem you clearly do not understand.

I think Bernie probably does get this math problem. And I bet he knows he can't change the math on his own.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
44. He said, shaking his fist in impotent rage.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

The math problem I describe is about the real world.

But then DU is not the real world, is it.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
45. That's right, which makes all your blather about my "not helping Bernie" pointless
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

Your posts in this thread are a road to nowhere.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
28. like Obama did in 2008
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:43 PM
May 2015

He got support from a large number of democrats who loved her and still did love her when they voted for Obama.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
67. You're being very kind by calling it "tone deafness" but you nailed it nonetheless
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:30 PM
May 2015

Dismissing minority concerns, ignoring our thoughts and beliefs and pissing all over us as a constituency is apparently the in-thing to assure your candidate's presidential win in 2016. Who knew?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. The criticism of him is really undeserved and unfortunate. He fought his entire life:
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

NB: It's hard to find a more committed champion of civil rights, and with so long a history of taking action.

-- He became leader of an NAACP rally called the Congress of Racial Equality at a time when most civil rights activists were black.

-- He was arrested while demonstrating for desegregated public schools in Chicago.

--In his second year at college in 1962, the 20-year-old from Brooklyn stood on the steps of University of Chicago administration building and railed in the wind against the college’s housing segregation policy:

“We feel it is an intolerable situation, when Negro and white students of the university cannot live together in university owned apartments,”

Source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026741111
 

peecoolyour

(336 posts)
17. Until he's sipping wine in a dimly lit, five-star restaurant,
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:17 PM
May 2015

crowdsourcing his speeches and policy positions to the people who brought the biggest briefcases full of cash.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. Pay lip service to the social justice of minorities???
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:51 PM
May 2015

There you have it folks in a fuckin nutshell. This here is the exact bullshit that will cost someone the election. Do you think we want fuckin lip service about our social justice? Fuckin clueless ass white privileged assholes that don't have a clue about social justice. You can be a black or hispanic millionaire & still not receive social justice. This is this fuckin problem economic status has nothing to do with social justice & you people that have never suffered through this shit seem to think it's a big fuckin joke.

So keep making your snide little comments & playing your silly ass little games but social justice isn't something we are asking to be pandered to about, this is our's & our children's lives your talking about. It's not a fuckin joke.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. seem to think it's a big fuckin joke.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:54 PM
May 2015

your post. absolutely. it is so simple and basic. it has been said repeatedly and YET... hte very simple words do not seem to sink in.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
46. Nope, got it loud & clear.
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:21 PM
May 2015

The OP clearly thinks "pandering to minorities" is just a nonsensical misnomer.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
31. It's people's lives
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:59 PM
May 2015

Very strongly worded. I hope you don't get hidden because that would be crap. People need to hear this stuff - that people are worried about their and their children's lives.

(If you do get hidden, take solace in the fact that your post wil get read 100x more if "this post was hidden by jury decision" becomes the subject line.)

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
48. Thank you & like I've said in the AA forum...
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

I'm tired of sitting back & getting kicked around. I've gotten 2 hides in the time I've been here & they've both been for complete nonsense. If I'm going to get one it might as well be for something I believe in.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
33. Listen up
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

Nowhere do I suggest the problems and struggles of minorities in this country are a joke or unimportant or any other bullshit characterization you can dream up. I take issue with the notion that HRC is the de facto champion of these issues, and that by comparison Bernie Sanders is not committed to social justice. Everything else is your projection.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
47. Your OP states...
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

"Bernie, it won't be good enough until
your campaign brings pandering to HRC's level. How are we supposed to get behind all this sincere economic woo? It won't be good enough until you collect tons of cash from corporations, pay lip service to social justice for minorities, and hide from reporters. Then we'll know you're the real deal!"

You brought up paying lip service to social justice for minorities. Just because your candidate has laser focus on economic issues & can't seem to bring social issues into the forefront of part of his campaign is not my problem. You making light of said social justice for minorities is bullshit & you deserved to be called on it.

Economic justice will not fix the social justice atrocities that are occurring in our country & I'm tired of clueless ass people trying to equate, negate, or make light of the situation.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
49. I'm not making light of anything
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

I'm calling bullshit on the cynical attempts to paint Senetor Sanders as racially insensitive. It's complete garbage given his record and positions. Hillary talks the talk, but does she walk the walk? We'll see.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
50. Alert Results.... FTR I'm not a sock, just a pissed off minority member.
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:08 PM
May 2015


Your OP states... 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6742469 

This is the second aggressive and abusive post from giftedgirl77 in this thread. I understand if she doesn't like the OP, but she seems to be trying to provoke. 

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 28, 2015, 04:49 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT. 

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT 
Explanation: No explanation given 
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE 
Explanation: No explanation given 
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT 
Explanation: Oh look! Another VanillaRhapsody/MaggieD sock. :yawn: 
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE 
Explanation: No explanation given 
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE 
Explanation: Clueless people need to be told they are clueless 
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE 
Explanation: No explanation given 
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE 
Explanation: This is not about giftedgirl not liking the OP. This is about a member of DU's ever shrinking number of minority members screaming to be heard among the clueless fuckwits that decry even DISCUSSING Bernie Sanders' record on race. You may be trying to run off the handful of minority posters that can still stomach to post here, but I sure as hell will NOT be helping you. 
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
53. a member of DU's ever shrinking number of minority members screaming to be heard
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:17 PM
May 2015

no fucking shit juror 7

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
64. I wish someone would explain what was aggressive & abusive about my post.
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:05 PM
May 2015

Is is because I'm a female minority speaking my mind bluntly & to the point? Was I supposed to use sir/ma'am in my response, or am I just not allowed to stand up for social justice in this country? Is economic justice the only priority?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
65. because I'm a female minority speaking my mind bluntly & to the point?
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015

that would be it. you know. more with sugar than vinegar? be nice, play nice.

i thought your posts just fine.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
69. Maybe it had something to do with referring to me as a
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:57 PM
May 2015
"Fuckin clueless ass white privileged asshole". You got lucky and drew a jury too corrupt to do their job by the TOS. Keep rolling the dice...
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
70. I wasn't referring to you, assholes was plural.
Thu May 28, 2015, 09:06 PM
May 2015

I was referring to the confused, dillusional politicians that you claim should just "pander" to minorities on social justice issues.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
72. Word Salad
Thu May 28, 2015, 09:11 PM
May 2015

Which politicians, doing what? You're just ass covering with blatant bullshit now. Zero integrity.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
73. No, just trying to explain to you.
Thu May 28, 2015, 09:24 PM
May 2015

If you would have read it you would've seen that none of it was directed to you but I'm done trying to further elaborate.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
80. Are you aware that among those members, it is not all rah-rah Hillary, right?
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:36 AM
May 2015

I know many POC that will never ever forgive Hillary for her campaign of 2008.

That is from LISTENING to people of color too.

They are not monolithic (as I know you know).

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
87. no, they are not monolithic. and yes, clinton has 87% of african american support. fluidity
Fri May 29, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

in conversation and thought

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
62. Please proceed #7, you won't find many better records on race or anything else but what record you
Thu May 28, 2015, 07:05 PM
May 2015

are talking is lying fucking smears in a ln effort to circle the wagons around someone who doesn't have a better record on this or any other issue and plenty of inferior positions? No shame in Sanders game going back decades in the fucking trenches which I bet you are loathe to acknowledge because Bernie might shine even more brightly than your corporate star.

Don't get cocky, you have no advantage here no matter how lamely you pretend.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
51. Manny, one of your socks is out and loose!!1!
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

Just kidding. Relax, everyone. Move your cursor away from the Alert button and back away slowly.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
57. Only if it's insincere
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:35 PM
May 2015

But so far, beyond messaging, there's really no reason to conclude her commitment to social justice is greater than Bernie Sanders.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. He needs to bring forth concrete policy proposals!
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:23 PM
May 2015

You know, on the level of "I want to empower communities and families".

He also needs to tell us what his most inspirational bible passage is.

Only then will he begin to approach the wonkish, concise, issue and detail clear policy proposal level of certain other candidates' campaigns.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
58. Too late! He was supposed to address every issue yesterday!
Thu May 28, 2015, 06:36 PM
May 2015

Now he's responsible for slavery!

We got to see the PUMAs in action 8 years ago. Well, guess what, they're back, and more evil than ever.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
61. K&R
Thu May 28, 2015, 07:01 PM
May 2015


*And* deploy a dishonest smear machine. The corporate candidacy is certainly making its MO clear early on.

Makes Bernie's honest, representative candidacy even more refreshing.
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
63. Hillary can't compete with Bernie in the economic policy arena.
Thu May 28, 2015, 07:39 PM
May 2015

That's why she's avoiding any discussion of the TPP. To distract from her silence on this issue, we get accusations that Bernie is ignoring minority concerns.

I assume this was a talking point distributed by the campaign. Bernie's 97% rating by the NAACP puts the lie to it.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
77. You have Clinton supporters all over this thread
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:03 AM
May 2015

claiming Sanders doesn't care about social issues and civil rights because he didn't specifically address them in his kickoff speech. One speech. And there were white people there: shudder.

Did I miss Clinton's great rousing civil rights speech when she did her announcement? I mean, from all the posters who assure me she is a civil rights warrior, I can't wait to see it!

Oh wait, she didn't address that at all. She hasn't given an actual campaign speech to share her platform. She put out a video! With gay people and black people and brown people!! Well then it's all settled. I mean, who were we to ever doubt? Come on people, the primary is ovah!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
81. This hard working white person finds the ever shifting agendas around here Hillarious
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:44 AM
May 2015

Appreciate your point of view and level headed commentary.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
85. I don't know that it's been level headed
Fri May 29, 2015, 12:50 PM
May 2015

And now I'm being told to pipe down, it was all in my head. Because white people's concern for the dark peoples is so much more important. It's like a charity ball up in here.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
82. And yachts.
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:44 AM
May 2015

There were yachts in the background so how could he possibly care about poor people?

Seriously, you are on fire in these threads, kudos.


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