It's only going to get tougher for Bernie Sanders

[Cali_Democrat]

I still haven't seen the post calling Bernie a racist, but apparently it exists somewhere. If you think that's bad, just wait until you see what lies ahead.

It's going to get worse. Much worse.

Just ask Obama and the Clintons.

Obama had to deal with birtherism, secret Muslim accusations, Rev. Wright, a whitey tape and a whole lot more. Bill and Hillary were accused of murdering Vince Foster and Bill was accused of raping Hillary. Many of these ridiculous assertions were top national news stories for some time.

A post on an anonymous message board allegedly calling Bernie a racist is nothing.

It's going to get worse. Much worse.

You're gonna need thick skin if you want to be President.

[MohRokTah]

1. Bernie is inept when it comes to the optics of internal Democratic Party politics.

Of course, that's to be expected of somebody who has never had to engage in internal Democratic Party politics.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. He's from a very small, homogeneous state

Running for President of the USA is a whole different animal.

[RobertEarl]

93. Moro seems to think Bernie will get chewed on by some?

Well, that smear Bernie post you referred to is proof of that, eh?
Well, that post got rubbed back, hard, so maybe that will be the end of that?

As for the rest of your worries, don't worry. If Bernie had skeletons they would have come out already. The rest will all be lies and as we saw with Obama the people see through the lies.

So.... don't you worry, Cali-D, Bernie's got this. Just get ready to vote for him come November 2016.

[morningfog]

9. Oh please. This is a stupid DU issue and nothing more.

He's not suffered any optics.

[Mojorabbit]

15. +1000 nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. ^This^

[KittyWampus]

43. having an incompetent campaign manager is not a stupid issue nor is it isolate to DU.

[eloydude]

58. Who said Bernie's manager was incomptent?

Please provide said proof or apologize

Thank you.

[daleanime]

126. +1

[hifiguy]

69. Abso-fuckin'-lutely.

A few people here get a wild hair up their asses and clog GD with bullshit.

Some people's kids, I tell ya . . . .



Bernie will handle anything that's thrown at him truthfully, as he always has and does.

[neverforget]

76. They sure are on the offensive today

aren't they?

[hifiguy]

77. Remember the PUMAs back in 2008?

They're back.

[neverforget]

78. Oh yeah. I remember them.

[pipoman]

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[seabeyond]

112. ya. i have taken note the same handful of men like to throw out a puma insult, whenever it address

clinton. i hope to see that garbage, passive aggressive insult, to be an automatic hide over the course of time. do you think we can get the message out, that the lazy insult to duers, should be an automatic hide?

[pipoman]

118. I am pretty liberal on free speech..ymmv...

[seabeyond]

120. ya, esepcially as it is being used in misogynist language by men, that embrace. puma, rah....

way to passively aggressively insult women duers....

the handful of men get this, and have been using this more and more. just a handful of men. consistently. so they make their intent pretty obviously.

[pipoman]

122. And a handful of women see a misogynist behind every bush...

[seabeyond]

123. i knew you would so embrace what i was saying.

[hifiguy]

124. Self-identified PUMAs existed.

Historical facts are what they are. Referring to them is not an insult, it's a statement of FACT.

[seabeyond]

125. i was an obama supporter, watched pro obama use it to diss women voters. i did not pay attention to

the drama then to insult women, just as i do not care the excuses now. i do see just a handful of men, men that argue using sexist terms as free speech, picking up the banner of those puma... to passive aggressively insult women if they dare to speak. like you have.

there are no puma on du. just women that disagree with you. but, you causally go to the insult and dismissal with the puma cry.

ya.

i will continue to be hear to call that misogynist shit out.

every time i see it

[bvar22]

23. 45 years of "ineptness",

and, yet, he keeps elected.
45 years with the Democratic Caucus....and he doesn't know how it works.
You are seeing ghosts under your bed.

[MohRokTah]

25. And never once elected as a Democrat. eom

[bvar22]

29. That was Bernie's choice to avoid the corruption.

He committed to getting elected to Congress with The People's Donations" (the way it is supposed to work),
and not some DEAL with the Party Power Brokers.

Lets see Hillary get elected as an "Independent".

[MohRokTah]

31. And thus complete ineptitude when it comes to internal Democratic Party politics.

Please, do try to keep up.

[bvar22]

35. When someone can get elected without Party Support,

"ineptitude" is the wrong word to use. Honest, Confident & Politically Savvy are the appropriate words.

[MohRokTah]

39. HA!

Elected in a state the size of most Congressional districts????

[eloydude]

60. Go on, underestimate Bernie

You will be surprised at the end, and eat your own words.

Saving this post for posterity.

[arcane1]

34. He's defeated Democrats though.

[MohRokTah]

40. General election politics and interparty politics are two different animals. eom

[arcane1]

97. True, he has no experience losing presidential primaries

Sorry, I had to do it

[MohRokTah]

98. He has no experience with Democratic primaries at any level.

Had to do that too.

[arcane1]

99. Touche'!

[demwing]

101. I've heard he doesn't play Parcheesi, either

that's going to hurt him, I know it. I hope he has some other games to play....

[Fawke Em]

96. Ha!

Good one.

[Mnpaul]

56. The Democrats teamed up with the Republicans to defeat him

and with the head of our party supporting crap like the TPP, he is wise to distance himself from the official party line.

[AtomicKitten]

37. He was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote.

Politicians can only wish for that level of ineptitude.

[MohRokTah]

41. General election politics and interparty politics are two different things.

Please, do try to keep up.

[AtomicKitten]

45. that's intraparty, not interparty

41. General election politics and interparty politics are two different things.

Intra - within.
Inter - between.

That's 6th grade grammar.

You're welcome.

[AgingAmerican]

61. Interparty politics have made a mess of things

Thank you Bernie!

[Katashi_itto]

47. He's bipedal too!

He's awful!

[AgingAmerican]

59. Good point! He isn't tainted by the DNC and DLC and Third Way®

Refreshing!

[seabeyond]

2. no. there is no post calling sanders a racist. not on du. not by any member. you will not find it.

it did not happen.

[Cha]

104. Exactly what I said down thread.. it was questioning his lack of talking about racial problems in

his kickoff.

And, then there was the victim card to be played.. and away they Go..

[seabeyond]

113. i like the post that stated chris hayes called sanders a racist. of course, all he said is what we

were saying. that we dared to identify sanders demographics, and suggest he become more inclusive, to get more votes.

our bad

[Cha]

145. Mustn't question St Bernie.. some of his supporters on DU are responsible for that

perceptual moniker.. not Sen Sanders.

[libdem4life]

127. I think the term would be "dog whistle". Inference. Tacky.

[seabeyond]

128. so, we minorities are not allowed to discuss social issue or we are dog whistlin', being tacky, ....

[libdem4life]

129. We are all people...that was the initial message. That he didn't...At That Speech

failed to mention support for each minority. His 50 year history is Human Rights...that includes us all.

The Dog Whistle was the post or two inferring maybe...just because he didn't specifically address one of these many minorities, he was, um, lacking in political skills...or some silly idea like hat.

[seabeyond]

131. "we are all people" yes i get many that sit in privilege prefer to see a level playing field,

ignoring minorities bringing up the fact that WE do not sit on that level field with them. irritating and an uncomfortable position to have to consider.

[libdem4life]

135. Ignoring minorities? Sit in privilege? Huh? Do you know what Human Rights are?

Have you ever seen a Human Rights Rally...good lord...lots of women, blacks, hispanic, LGBT, Trans...you name it. We are all people does not infer minorities from someone with a 50 year history? Very sad.

Peace Out.

PS...I'm from the largest "minority" there is...the "scolding" is lost on me.

[seabeyond]

136. so, you ignore that unlevel playing field to keep us all on an illusionary level field. some of us

disagree with you and will argue otherwise.

[libdem4life]

146. Too woo-woo for me ...we're all on an illusionary level field? Who knew?

[bettyellen]

130. Nope- A dog whistle is a hint at something you're afraid to say....

People are clearly saying what they mean. It's the paranoid who are spewing total lies - such as- Chris Hayes (or any DUer) called Bernie a racist. It's a ridiculous lie.

[libdem4life]

132. You make my point, thanks. The Dog Whistle was a couple of posts that "guestioned"

but did not state their foggy inference that he was racist because he didn't name one specific minority.

[seabeyond]

133. people are discussing sanders demographics. do you not think EVERY politician does not

discuss their demographics? yet, when we discuss sanders demographics, we are accused of calling him a racist and sexist.

where would that dog whistle be?

shutting up minorities. they dare to speak, accuse them of calling sanders a racist.

there is your dog whistle.

[libdem4life]

138. OK, I'll play. Demographics and racial "insensitivites" are apples and oranges.

Demographics are facts that determine population distribution. Insensitivities/racism is a pejorative social term that is highly "interpretable".

I keep saying...the dog whistle is the posts Here on DU...that are inferring these lack of "sensitivites. I'm very confused here, so for real, this is

Peace Out.

[seabeyond]

141. discussing demographics is not accusing someone of racism. that simple. speaking of social justice

is not calling someone racist.

that is how the conversation is now defined.

i disagree.

[bettyellen]

137. I have no idea what you're referring to.

[libdem4life]

139. OK, then.

[bettyellen]

140. Sorry! Sounds like we both have read a lot of crap here though!

[libdem4life]

142. Now that's a fact. I've only been here, very off and on, for 3 years. Still learning.

[bettyellen]

143. Ha ha, primary season sucks around here. Many people have a super thin skin about their candidate...

They're competative and don't seem to notice that they themselves are being vicious and petty.
It gets ugly fast.

[upaloopa]

3. I think the people who would call Bernie a racist

are not doing it as part of the election season. They call anything and everything racist. Bernie happens to be convenient because there are no Black faces in his announcement pictures.

[LordGlenconner]

4. The racism claims are over the top

Much like the really nasty things said about Hillary Clinton here by the members of the Faith Militant.

[Pholus]

109. You mean in 2008? Or now?

I seem fated to be on the wrong side of DU's conventional wisdom at all times. In 2008 I thought Hillary had the better chance and I got roundly called "PUMA" and worse by several posters who are all out for her this time. I don't know what it is this time but I like Bernie more -- not that Hillary is bad, but I'm ready for something new. So, once again on the "bad" side.

Oh well....

[LordGlenconner]

110. There are no bad sides

We go with our guts and what we believe in. A lot of people thought she had the better chance in 2008.

[seabeyond]

114. no one called sanders a racist. seems like the claims, anyone called sanders a racist

is out of control and a fabricated argument of outrage.

[arcane1]

6. Here's hoping the inevitable made-up shit comes from republicans, and not from this side n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

8. During the primaries, it's going to come from his opponents in the Democratic primaries.

Birtherisn against Obama was actually started by a Clinton supporter if I'm not mistaken.

[morningfog]

12. Yeah, Hillary is a nasty campaigner, not good or effective,

But nasty. Shame on you, Barack Obama! And saying McCain was more experienced for president than Obama.

[eloydude]

62. Let's see how low Clinton has to go to save her nomination

in terms of attacking Bernie when there is nothing to attack Bernie about.

Too old? Debunked - Many Americans are active past 85 and are of sound mind: Evidence - Notorious RBG
From a small state? That may be, but he's still working for the people for more than 40 years, always consistent on his issuesl. Gets re-elected easily.
He's a socialist!: Most of what we do today is socialism. Many Republicans set up a litmus test of calling Obama a socialist. We can bring the real thing in.

I can think of more.... but 99.99999999% chances are, it's going to be ineffective, coming from Clinton when she gets exposed for her hypocrisy on some issues.

[arcane1]

18. If that's true, it may explain why some are reluctant to support another Clinton campaign n/t

[seabeyond]

28. no one called sanders a racist. sander supporters say people did. no one did. now, you blame clinton

campaign for sander people making shit up?

[arcane1]

30. Who am I blaming for anything? Did you not notice the first three words of my post?

I'd never heard anything about Clinton being the origin of the birther crap until I read this post. Hence the "If that's true..." qualifier in my response.

It's not that complicated.

[seabeyond]

33. there is no if... but we can keep playing. i just read another newbie duer talk about the clinton

operatives on here, you know the long time duers.

this is getting flat out crazy

[arcane1]

36. Then take it up with the poster who made the claim. I can't be expected to answer for them.

Although I am in complete, 100% agreement that this is getting flat out crazy!

[Cali_Democrat]

42. I should clarify that I don't know for sure if it was started by a Clinton cupporter

This was 2007.

But I seem to recall people saying it originated from a Clinton supporter and it took off from there.

[Capt. Obvious]

134. It was an email from her staff in Iowa

[Avalux]

7. Your concern for the thickness of Bernie's skin is so sweet, thank you. n/t

[morningfog]

10. I am sure he's ready and sure he hasn't even heard if this DU

stupidity and won't.

[bvar22]

26. Actually, he HAS heard of DU.

Bernie appears regularly (every Friday at noon on Thom Hartmann's Show for "Brunch with Bernie"
Thom regularly mentions DU, and even reads posts from DU from time to time.
Bernie knows.

[cali]

11. he's doing just fine

[yellowcanine]

13. I don't think it is going to get much worse. I think people are overreacting.

Bernie will be fine. His supporters need to focus on getting out his message and not sweat the noise machine.

[MohRokTah]

27. Yes, he is.

He'll recover from the gaffe he made in his announcement.

His fans, though....

[bluesbassman]

46. And just what gaffe would that be?

And please do us all a favor and spell it out in detail so that we don't have spend endless posts in the subthread ferreting out what you really mean. Thanks in advance.

[MohRokTah]

51. Failure to hit the current issues of interest to the largest Democratic constituency. eom

[eloydude]

63. Which is what?

Inquiring minds wants to know....

[MohRokTah]

66. OFFS

If you don't know then you haven't paid attention.

[eloydude]

68. Just say it. Don't just avoid the subject and attack me

NOT. THAT. HARD.

It's the ISSUES I'm looking for, and so far I'm failing to find anything wrong with Bernie.

I see a lot of wrong with Hillary, that I would love to discuss what her issues that are opposite of what the progressives wants in terms of the issues beforehand.

Right now, you aren't giving me anything to work with.... you're just avoiding the issues, and attacking Bernie's character.

I won't stand for that.

[MohRokTah]

80. He failed to address the issue of police violence against POC.

He further failed to address the erosion of the reproductive rights of women.

This is a political optics gaffe for a presidential bid announcement speech in the Democratic Party.

I've said it dozens of times. You fail to pay attention.

[eloydude]

82. Then you haven't been paying attention

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/18/bernie-sanders-brilliant-idea-giving-police-tanks-create-jobs.html

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm

I don't see any gaffes. Do you?

[MohRokTah]

85. Significant gaffe.

He did not mention it in his announcement speech.

[eloydude]

86. It was a long speech

and civil rights was covered.

Your hangup is noted and recorded. Move on.

[MohRokTah]

89. He failed to address a significant issue for the largest constiuency in the Democratic party.

Your hangup is noted and recorded.

Move on.

[eloydude]

90. He did address them - you still have an issue with it.

Deal with it, and he'll be addressing income inequality - which is the racial and gender inequality that caused the issues beforehand.

Bernie has the answer to these issues, and will address them shortly. Your hangup is wasted. Go support Hillary if you think Bernie is bad for POC.

[MohRokTah]

95. He did not address them. You have an issue admitting that.

Deal with it.

[sheshe2]

106. No.

You say...

Deal with it, and he'll be addressing income inequality - which is the racial and gender inequality that caused the issues beforehand.

Economic Justice alone does not address the issue. You are asking for trickle down for Social Justice. That is not going to work.

[bluesbassman]

70. Another in a long line of vague pointless answers from you.

As I suspected.

[TheKentuckian]

50. What gaffe?

[MohRokTah]

52. Failure to hit the current issues of interest to the largest Democratic constituency. eom

[eloydude]

64. Which is what?

Inquiring minds still wants to know....

[TheKentuckian]

147. Ahh...failure to backburner his critical message. Gotcha, that isn't a "gaffe".

[BainsBane]

108. If he gets the nomination, it certainly will get much worse.

The GOP takes no prisoners.

[Zorra]

14. Bernie has been the only socialist in the US Senate.

He doesn't need lectures about having thick skin, and we'll continue to call out the lies and insinuations about him as they inevitably appear.

[PotatoChip]

16. Is Bernie upset or complaining about something?

[gollygee]

17. he is a smart man

And he does care about social justice issues. It was a mistake to not explicitly mention those issues in his speech, but he will learn from that.

I think he will be fine.

[m-lekktor]

19. after perusing the threads in the protected Hillary group

I would have to say it isn't only Bernie supporters who need to grow a thick skin.

[cascadiance]

20. Someone who does a weekly radio "town hall" talk show I believe NEEDS a thick skin...

Since he gets a lot of off the wall questions from people on Thom Hartmann's highly rated talk show and responds to them unrehearsed.

Something that many other pols (and I would bet Clinton) wouldn't want to have to do.

[Enrique]

21. Bernie can handle it

I'm not worried about that, I don't think it will hurt him. My main problem is the blogger insulting our intelligence by writing that crap and the same with the person posting it here.

[Rex]

22. The OP did not call Bernie a racist. That is what is being said, but it is not true.

Also, are you addressing DU or Bernie Sanders...it seems you switch back and forth. Does Sanders even know about this current kerfluffle on DU? Does he even know about DU?

I doubt it.

This is called 'playing politics' and nobody is innocent. However, the OP that started this all was not calling Sanders a racist. You know how DU rolls, once a 'mass opinion' is reached it is long past time for reason and/or understanding.

[bvar22]

49. Bernie knows DU.

He is a regular guest on Thom Hartmann's Friday show Brunch with Bernie.
Thom Hartmann posts at DU, mentions DU on his show, and frequently reads posts from DU.

Since Brunch with Bernie has been running for YEARS, I suspect that Bernie has become familiar through the hours and hours he has spent with Thom Hartmann.

In fact, it is not infrequent to find Thom "stealing" a show from DU.

[JI7]

32. many of his supporters are stuck in a DU bubble

based on past elections usually candidates with big support on DU usually have little support outside of it. many people the internet as being the real world.

there is little to no understanding of local politics .

this isn't about sanders as much as some people on this site. it happens in many other cases also.

[eloydude]

65. You really do live in a bubble..

You haven't heard of social media? Bernie has been using it, very effectively, spreading out his messages on a daily basis.

Not everything is on corporatist media such as TV or print. They are dying media with very little interest in it as people use the 'Net for their aggregation information.

[immoderate]

38. Here you go. All ready for any thing!

--imm

[Smarmie Doofus]

44. We're fine. Really. Come to think of it.....

... why ARE you worried about this so much?

Calm DOWN.

Really. From one "Obamaton" to another.

C A L M ............................................. * D O W N * .

[Doctor_J]

48. He's been battling DINOs and other Republicans for years now.

And he won't get Clinton's slobbering media coverage, so he'll probably need more backup from the masses.

As for the president, don't forget that a lot of the weird stuff about him was generated by HRC's team 8 years ago. One huge reason I supported Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. I have a feeling that being the only Socialist in congress has given him a very thick skin.

[Thinkingabout]

54. He will probably receive hard points if his numbers pick up but then the GOP would love to have

Bernie as their opponent in the general election. Rush pushed for Obama but it was not in the plan for Obama to beat McCain.

[eloydude]

67. And the fact that he can get the largest voting bloc in America

and it ain't the Democrats or the Republicans... it's the Independents...

And he can also attract mainstream Republicans, not the crazy kind.

And of course, he can attract progressive Democrats, leaving out corporatist and Third Wayer Democrats out in the cold. If the latter two were smarter, they would dump Clinton like a bad habit and go with Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

72. Yea, remember those you call third wayers, do you even have any idea where they stand

On the issues? I like their positions on most everything.

[eloydude]

74. Economics and income inequality

are the two important issues that Hillary has some serious issues with.

Hillary is also a pro-Keystone and pro-TPP.

You like her stance on fracking and her stance on trade?

[Thinkingabout]

75. No you don't know their stand on many issues. Income inequality is a problem for

Hillary, then you should spend some time finding the truth.

[LondonReign2]

55. Of course YOU haven't seen a post calling him a racist

[AgingAmerican]

57. There is a tiny contingent here that fears him

Pay no mind to their attempts at scaring folks away from Bernie, whom most of them admit is the best candidate. We are still 9 months out from the first primary. Lots and lots of time between now and then.

He doesn't attack people. He has the thickest of skins.

[DCBob]

71. I wonder about his temperament in dealing with a long tough harsh campaign..

and dealing with the pressure from a hard core press looking for the gotcha moment. He has already shown some signs when he told some hecklers to "shut up". Not the most classy way to deal with stuff like that.

[Number23]

73. The posts screaming "STOP CALLING BERNIE A RACISSST!1one" are the only things I've seen that even

HINT at anyone calling him a racist.

Apparently, some here are so precious and determined to put their thumbs in their ears that even daring to DISCUSS the man's votes/thoughts on race are the exact same thing as calling him a racist. The Tea Party shares that same confusion.

Personally, I think the conversation has been desperately needed and I've learned a few things from it. Apparently, Bernie has been doing a lot of work with the Congressional Black Caucus which is a good thing. His work with Maxine Waters and other black members of Congress has been stalwart, if not always effective.

I think a lot of his supporters, for all of their braying and screaming, were the ones who needed this conversation the most desperately. Because the number of people I've seen posting the most embarrassingly moronic, irrelevant and idiotic things about his supposed commitment to black rights such as "He participated in the March on Washington 53 years ago!!1one" and "he was born in BROOKLYN. Of COURSE he knows and loves black people!!" have been so stupid, no moderately intelligent person who understands the importance of building a multi-racial coalition in a post-Obama political world would even dream of posting something so worthless and inane.

So for all the gnashed teeth and screaming, this conversation is one that was sorely, DESPERATELY needed. And I give thanks to those here with enough sense, fairness and faith in their candidate to let the conversation be had.

[giftedgirl77]

83. +1000

[Number23]

84. Did you see the post talking about Bernie's support for Jessie Jackson?

I honestly can't think of a way that DU could prove to everyone any harder and more conclusively how insular and out of touch so many of the posters here are.

It is beyond mortifying. And if they were clueless but open to understanding why posting "Sanders participated in the March on Washington and supported Jessie Jackson 30 years ago" doesn't do a damn thing for black people wanting to know what he's going to do TODAY that would be okay.

Instead, we find a board full of people who are not only clueless but hostile as hell so trying to explain this will not only do absolutely NADA but it will waste your time and simultaneously make you weep for humanity.

[giftedgirl77]

88. Nope, but I saw the one that was so long ago that he was

referring to AA's as Negros. But hey that counts right? I mean he's moved onto economic justice, because he conquered social justice decades ago.

[seabeyond]

87. i agree, that OP last night started all the shit. here is a recent talk about baltimore, that i

really appreciated hearing.

and thanks for the info with congressional black caucus and a fav, waters.

[Number23]

91. For all that wailing from certain Sanders supporters, sheshe's post kicked off a DESPERATELY needed

discussion. And like I said, it appears that Sanders SUPPORTERS were the ones who needed the conversation more than anyone else.

Thanks for the link! And I like what he's saying even though I don't think he's saying anything different or providing any definitive solutions. The concept of "community policing" is good but that will not solve the issues of racism in policing and prison sentencing. Giving cameras to cops is something that everyone has been touting ever since Ferguson.

[seabeyond]

92. i agree with the cameras. can it be federal? that is one of the things i would like see implemented.

there really is a lot that can be done. but time would have to be put in to address it.

here is the thing with supporters. that insist sanders is equally on board. we want to hear these discussed. we do not want the vote or what he did 30 yrs ago. we want to hear it discussed as passionately as he does wallstreet, ect...

i do not thnink that is too much to ask for, when asking for a vote.

[Cha]

105. Yep, the victim card in full swing.. when there was no one saying Bernie was anything of

the sort.

"Apparently, some here are so precious and determined to put their thumbs in their ears that even daring to DISCUSS the man's votes/thoughts on race are the exact same thing as calling him a racist. The Tea Party shares that same confusion."

Well done!

[workinclasszero]

79. Bernie deserves all the shit coming his way

After all his fans on this board attack Hillary with right wing material 24/7

Bernie is due for some instant karma I'd say lol

[B Calm]

81. One of those you speak of reported your post. 6 to 1 not to hide!

[Sancho]

94. Article: What Bernie Sanders Would Need to Do to Win

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/01/us/elections/bernie-sanders.html

Why He Won’t:
Mr. Sanders’s fiery populism, that old-time religion, will appeal to many liberals at a moment when the left is demanding action on issues of economic fairness, and class mobility has become a defining issue in both parties. But the national Democratic Party does not reflect Vermont, and Mr. Sanders has shown no ability to appeal to the broader coalition he would need to threaten Mrs. Clinton or another mainstream Democrat.

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I've been posting examples and details about this for a week...after his announcement speech in front of the sailboats it can't be more clear.

[treestar]

100. +1 and who knows what the Rs will come up with

It's funny people give their full faith to Bernie without thinking they'd better check out his whole life.

[Cha]

102. That's because there is no post calling Bernie "a racist".. it was questioning his lack of talking

about racial problems at this kickoff.

But, of course.. there was Victim Card to be played and Away they Go.

[Thinkingabout]

103. True, I don't see how talking about the lack of talking racial problems turned into calling

Bernie a racist, maybe the first one to say Bernie is a racist can explain why it was ever said.

[seabeyond]

115. brother ivan started an op two nights ago caliming it was being said. no one can back it up, at all

but it has become a fact for too many that use to be responsible du members. they seem to like the meme that people are calling sanders a racist. though NO ONE has ever seen that comment made.

what is that? how can they get away with something so damn obvious?

i like what was said about chris hayes.

every one of these posters should be standing and yelling out,

national media chris hayes called sanders a racist. he stated the exact thing being said except he threw in "insurgent" and i do not see sanders that way, though maybe technically true.

to see something fabricated take off so, and so many long time duers grab hold of a fabricated comment as truth, the way they have with sanders being accused of being racist, has been another interesting time on du.

[Thinkingabout]

116. What is surprising is to see the link to she thread seemly as the source of the racist accusation.

I am still waiting to see an apology for the false link. I am wondering if some of the post is just trying to cover for the lack of importance of this issue.

[seabeyond]

117. my take. about a month we have been discussing social vs economic justice. at every point pro sander

has one way or another told us to shut up, yet... we must trust that of course it is central to sander campaign, though we hear, .... nothing. we must have blind faith and look at 1963. from experiencing this over a month, this is just another exercise, a cheap and nasty exercise, to not allow anyone to discuss what we feel is lacking in sanders campaign. and the whole economic populist position, or we are accused of calling sanders a racist.

they have found an effective manner to quiet any conversation about minorities voices.

once again shoving social justice issues to the back of the bus as they to our face say.... of course you are welcome to sit at the table.

it is very interesting

[Thinkingabout]

119. My take is a president has all the problems, all the issues, they can not pick and chose the ones

they wish to talk. We see the same old talking points and of course the counter to our post is Hillary did or didn't do whatever. The campaign is very young, the push for Hillary to be on one side or the other on TPP and this is an issue which will be settled before the election. She will not be in the loop on this at all. I have also read post where Hillary is racists, another false talking point but it must deflect from providing real information on another candidate in which they think people will change from voting for Hillary to their candidate. Nothing in the false talking points will ever convince me their candidate is better.

[seabeyond]

121. we do have plenty of time for discussion, to listen and observe. nt

[NCTraveler]

111. This is for the big ticket.

One thing Clinton supporters know is that so many things in campaigning at this level are not fair. Even on a progressive message board Clinton has been lied about over and over again. That is directly related to the rock star qualities of Clinton in our party. We know that. Seems some Sanders supporters are just learning this, most are very well aware. Don't expect some of Sanders younger supporters to understand this. It will take some time for them to figure it out as it did for all of us. Sanders supporters such as myself are really excited about the little dust up. And lets be clear, in reality not only was it little, it was almost insignificant. So why the excitement. It doesn't happen to people until they are recognized as being serious instruments of change on a national level. That is why it has been happening to Clinton for decades and is just now happening to Sanders. I can only hope it gets worse for the Sanders campaign. That would be a great sign. If it rises to the absurdity of the anti-Clinton right wing brigade, we will know he is truly on the radar and has a shot.

[deutsey]

144. boogah boogah boogah