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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums10% of wall streeters are clinical psychopaths. Who the hell would marry, or befriend them?
I presume that they are usually married. Do they find sociopathic women? Let her do all the empathizing? How do the talks about children, relatives, charities go?
Can you love a psychopath? Can they love? Is there enough narcissism to allow loving their partners adoration? Can you hide Psychopathy?
The sociopaths I have known, weren't very socially in tune. They faked warmth,or interest. The only joy they felt, was in manipulating others.
Most of those we worship, and envy their lives, are those same types. We have whole industrys of elevating them, and showering them with praise.
The goal of social darwinism, is to cull all those but the sociopaths, and to bolster the psychopath genes, thereby the stock, or stocks in general.
Can those with a conscience, fight those psychopaths when the call for culling goes out? How do we change the "VALUES" of America? Or, do Psychopaths make us stronger? More successful as a nation?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Answers in order w/ your questions.
1. Not from I understand. They usually want someone they can victimize.
2. Sure
3. I don't know but it would be interesting. They usually can fool a lot of people into thinking they're are a caring, functional, empathic person.
4. Yes.
5. No in the general sense of the word. They will probably know you better than anyone else ever could if you get close because they gather that info (wants, needs, desires, etc) to their advantage. They can portray love as well as or maybe even better than someone that truly loves. Above all, they come first, won't care who they harm or how badly the damage they cause as long as their needs get met.
6. Short answer yes. However, hints will slip out and if you're familiar with what one is, you can figure out. They're generally skilled at this but the major thing lacking in empathy can become obvious once you figure out there is none.
There are all types & varying in backgrounds, education, and that varies in things like sociability. Best thing I've found that explains the differences.
http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm
Rest of your questions.
7. I believe so
8. I'm not sure other than fight for what you believe in
9. They can ruin us and that could make us stronger but best to avoid as they are better at getting stronger off the other game
10. I'm not sure what the exact question is here.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)it is unrecognized for what it is.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Sadly, there is money to be made.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I'm especially interested in your last question. Is Sociopathy and Psychopathy a genetic survival thing after all?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)home with a nice allowance after the divorce
Igel
(35,356 posts)Usually a safe procedure when you have a fact that seems to be at odd with somebody else's conclusion.
You can question the claim that the number is 10%, you can question your understanding of the definition, you can question the assumption that psychopaths can't be married with families. Good critical thinking would look at all three and, given more than a couple of minutes, come up with more.
dems_rightnow
(1,956 posts)His response:
"I dont know who threw out the 10% but it certainly it did not come from me or my colleagues.
The article to which you refer describes a sample of 203 corporate professionals selected by their companies to participate in management development programs. The sample was not randomly selected or necessarily representative of managers or executives, or of the corporations in which they work.
The approximately 4% who had a PCL-R score high enough for a research description as psychopathic cannot be be generalized to the larger population of managers and executives, or to CEOs and the financial services industry."
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/03/06/untrue-1-out-of-every-10-wall-street-employees-is-a-psychopath/
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Definitely worth a listen.
LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)For some people, power and money are strong aphrodisiacs!
At the other end of the scale, some people are so honest and unaggressive themselves, that they may not pick up on the vicious characteristics of the psychopath. Many psychopaths are very good at deceiving and manipulating others.
BTW, although it's certainly true that some intelligent psychopaths are very successful in business, I don't think anyone has a definite figure like '10% of Wall Streeters'. It wouldn't particularly surprise me if this was the case, but I don't think it's grounded in solid evidence.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)con artists. At least, those in Florida.
firehorse
(755 posts)...as hard as any hedge fund manager."
so true
tilsammans
(2,549 posts)And he married someone even more narcissistic and sociopathic than he is.
Which is probably good -- at least he didn't marry someone nice and proceed to ruin her life.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Sociopathy drives more like 10-15 percent of the general population, 30-40 percent of everyone in authority at hierarchical entities like corporations and government, and a majority among Wall Street traders and decision-makers -- because on Wall Street the explicit rules themselves are sociopathic and if you're not a sociopath, you're a loser. Careerism encourages sociopathy. The economic imperative to accumulate by any means while externalizing the costs is inherently sociopathic. Authoritarianism encourages sociopathy among leaders and their coterie. Secret authority practically guarantees it among spooks. Enemy images (the economic competition, the alleged foreign threat, "crime" provide moral justification. Most of the reigning institutions generate sociopathy. Most of the presidents have been laughably obvious individual sociopaths; in the post-Kennedy period all of them have delivered caricature performances of individual sociopathy except for Carter and so far Obama (who appears to be very disciplined so it's probably not individually the case).
WingDinger
(3,690 posts)In Jr high, there were several of us that were bullied. One was actually recruited by the CIA. I read the letter. Many others became cops. There seems to be a connection between desire for revenge, ability to exert authoritay, outgroup positioning, and other factors that our gov looks for. Most of the worlds spy types are untied to others. Need OTHER factors for other jobs? Likely. Just as they recruit sociopaths almost exclusively for some wall street positions.
It seems almost disconnected, that we are now focusing on bullying to rid it, and yet, bullying in the workplace, is almost encouraged. A punk ass I worked with, put up police tape, and declared that I personally, was not allowed past his tape. When he threw garbage into my workspace, I swept it carefully, but instead of into a dustpan, I swooshed it into his face. almost beat his ass right there. The manager said, GOOD, you need to do that everyday. He was lionized. In fact, he got the entire group on his side, and against me. they all liked following an authoritarian.
applegrove
(118,778 posts)toward any 'enemies' the psychopath would have (in this case Obama). You end up withpreviously normal people who spew the lies & propaganda and interpret the world exactly as the psychopath does following the psychopaths narratives. Previously fucked up people copy the psychopaths thinking too and end up doing much more damage to the economy once they are tools of the psychopaths. They are all the psychopath's little "minnie me"s. So if 10% of wall street are psychopaths, a hell of a lot more people on wall street are doing their bidding.