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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:40 PM Jun 2015

I am 95% with Bernie Sanders on the issues and only 69% with Hillary Clinton

Results of the test I took here: http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/945219162

The test itself is here: http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I'm still a hard core Hillary Clinton supporter. Gotta go with who I think can win in the GE.

Pragmatism. It works at whatever level you are talking. In my current district, I'd have to settle for a Congressional candidate who is much less liberal than I would like (currently my Congresscritter is Randy Hultgren). For Senator, Tammy Duckworth is about right for the state. If I move about 8 blocks away I'd be in Bill Foster's district.

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I am 95% with Bernie Sanders on the issues and only 69% with Hillary Clinton (Original Post) MohRokTah Jun 2015 OP
The LGBT community told pragmatists to stuff it Prism Jun 2015 #1
I have to vote for the Democrat I believe will win in the GE. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #2
Tea party loves Clintons RobertEarl Jun 2015 #4
OFFS MohRokTah Jun 2015 #6
They impeached Bill RobertEarl Jun 2015 #15
The Senate acquitted and impeachment DEVESTATED the GOP in the elections. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #18
Then bush stole the election RobertEarl Jun 2015 #22
And "Socialism" is still a dirty word amongst the maority of voters. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #24
Is socialism dirty to you? RobertEarl Jun 2015 #25
No. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #26
I added the "you won't defend it" RobertEarl Jun 2015 #30
Politics is politics. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #32
43 years ago? RobertEarl Jun 2015 #36
Your way worked great in 2010 and 2014. frylock Jun 2015 #72
Until one day... sgtbenobo Jun 2015 #104
I think you're confused as to what socialism is... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #34
No. I know what it is RobertEarl Jun 2015 #38
No its a democracy. Socialism is an economic system. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #45
Socialism MohRokTah Jun 2015 #51
There's socialism then there's Democratic socialism Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #66
Yeah, they lost a whole five seats in the House hatrack Jun 2015 #91
What fairly tale land are you coming from? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #113
The guy who prepped the House for that impeachment was named HASTERT. MADem Jun 2015 #81
They might have a hard time doing that when the Koch Brothers are more connected to commie Stalin... cascadiance Jun 2015 #82
"Submit"??? treestar Jun 2015 #110
If something happens in the next few months that would make you less certain of which Democrat tularetom Jun 2015 #17
I will vote for the candidate I ascertain to have the best chance of winning the GE. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #19
"Issues do not matter in this" maybe to YOU the issues don't matter. If Jeb or Christie were running Erose999 Jun 2015 #41
Ridiculous question. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #50
You still haven't answered my question tularetom Jun 2015 #79
There, I fear, is a flaw in your reasoning. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #54
Hillary is both more electable and has better judgement, IMO MohRokTah Jun 2015 #57
Hillary ovted for the Iraq War Resolution in spite of a warning against that vote by women JDPriestly Jun 2015 #58
All you are doing is firming my resolve and making me like Bernie less. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #61
But maybe I can open the eyes of someone who is genuinely interested in deciding how JDPriestly Jun 2015 #64
It's simple. Bernie cannot win against a REpublican on the national level and Hillary can. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #67
I'm in California the bluest of the blue states, and I get to vote my conscience. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #80
I remember it clearly... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #83
He's been beating Republicans who challenged him for the last 50 years... Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #116
Yu left out "in Vermont". MohRokTah Jun 2015 #119
Then you are not a true Democrat. You are part of the problem. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #68
I'm not a true Democrat because I won't back the only guy in the field who is not a Democrat??????? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #69
I like Hillarys personality. What are you going on about? gwheezie Jun 2015 #105
He's already said he doesn't care about the issues davidpdx Jun 2015 #98
bam! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #101
Judging by this guy's posts, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #127
See post #73 (I think) here with regard to Hillary and the TPP. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #59
And here to understand why the TPP is such a threat to our democracy. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #62
Explain why you believe that Clinton has better judgment. frylock Jun 2015 #74
She's never used "Socialist" in any description of herself for starters. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #75
wow.. frylock Jun 2015 #76
Won because Obama was in office treestar Jun 2015 #109
That is very true Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #120
Bernie-95, Hillary-76 bigwillq Jun 2015 #3
Christie-28, Bush-24 MohRokTah Jun 2015 #5
91-66 Bernie. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #14
do you consider Paul or Christie more electable than clinton shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #88
Mine was close to yours davidpdx Jun 2015 #102
I came out at 85 Sanders / 80 Clinton brooklynite Jun 2015 #7
Pragmatism. dawg Jun 2015 #8
So why in the fuck is Martin O'Malley missing off the list? snooper2 Jun 2015 #9
Probably because it hasn't been upated yet. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12
Well, the trending question on who you prefer at the end, you can select him if you hit more choices snooper2 Jun 2015 #21
It is a BS site. Like any really liberal position and it gives you Sanders. FSogol Jun 2015 #115
He is only the list treestar Jun 2015 #108
With Bernie 98%. With Hillary 75%. I'm sticking with Bernie. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #10
96% Sanders, 79% Clinton all the way down to 9% Walker and Santorum tularetom Jun 2015 #11
I think you can weight any question a2liberal Jun 2015 #123
Sanders 95%- Clinton 84%. nt sufrommich Jun 2015 #13
Sanders 96% - Clinton 70% MattSh Jun 2015 #16
Much closer to even with me, 95% Bernie and 89% Hillary. stevenleser Jun 2015 #20
Bernie - 91%. Hillary 63%. Scuba Jun 2015 #23
settling is one thing DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #27
99% Bernie 72% Hillary. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #28
We, the people, have lost our country through "pragmatism." polichick Jun 2015 #29
You're voting with all the other people in the country treestar Jun 2015 #112
Yep - the people stupidly vote against themselves... polichick Jun 2015 #124
92% Bernie and 59% Hillary Dawgs Jun 2015 #31
Bernie 94%, Hillary 70% DJ13 Jun 2015 #33
96% Bernie, 69% Hillary Agschmid Jun 2015 #35
Then why do you fight Sanders supporters as hard as anyone? Dawgs Jun 2015 #37
Interesting "answers" from Hillary. Dawgs Jun 2015 #39
Surprisingly, Delphinus Jun 2015 #40
91% Bernie - 86% Hillary JaneyVee Jun 2015 #42
I side with Bernie Sanders at 77% it seems. Xyzse Jun 2015 #43
I was wondering about O'Malley. Wilms Jun 2015 #48
Yep, that is definitely the case. Xyzse Jun 2015 #56
That's depressing daredtowork Jun 2015 #44
Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #46
93% Bernie / 60% Hillary / 39% Chimpy 2 / 16% Randroid / 10% Crisco/ 11% Fuckabee / 3% White Walker Erose999 Jun 2015 #47
9% Fuckarino / 4% Marco Polio / 2% Frothy / 18% Ben Carcass Erose999 Jun 2015 #49
Illuminating thread, thank you for posting it. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #52
94% Sanders, 68% Clinton, and, - the horror- over 55% Jebbie! sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #53
It's how much you rate your answers, plus if you drill down into more specifics... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #55
97% Bernie! Yay! Clinton 71% neverforget Jun 2015 #60
96% Sanders and 85% Clinton DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #63
TED CRUZ 0% Gregorian Jun 2015 #65
I had Ted Cruz 2% gollygee Jun 2015 #90
LOL me too treestar Jun 2015 #125
So you vote against your own personal best interests? Strange thing to do. Rex Jun 2015 #70
96% Bernie but many of the things they counted as MuseRider Jun 2015 #71
98% Sanders, 76% Clinton frylock Jun 2015 #73
I side with Hillary 79% of time. riversedge Jun 2015 #77
99% Sanders, 68% Clinton A Little Weird Jun 2015 #78
87% Bernie, 70% Hillary. But most importantly no GOP is over 40% LynneSin Jun 2015 #84
I side with Bernie Sanders on most 2016 Presidential Election issues PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #85
I'm at 97% so gotta stick with him TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #86
98% Bernie beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #87
Sanders 97%, Clinton 77% gollygee Jun 2015 #89
That quiz was fun! I enjoyed that, even though at the end when it asked for fave candidate I chose Number23 Jun 2015 #92
Not too shabby. Blue_Adept Jun 2015 #93
Slightly bewildered by the scores whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #94
87% Bernie, 79% Hillary hay rick Jun 2015 #95
My results mvd Jun 2015 #96
Forgot to expand the results mvd Jun 2015 #114
So why not support Bernie in the primaries? If Hillary wins, vote for her in the GE. Bonobo Jun 2015 #97
It was obvious to me before the test... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #99
94% Sanders, 78% Clinton... (nt) petronius Jun 2015 #100
Pragmatic liberals is bill of goods the DLC sold Democrats to sell them on Pub Lite. merrily Jun 2015 #103
I had the same results and I support Hillary Clinton as well. BreakfastClub Jun 2015 #106
Sanders 80% Hillary 67% treestar Jun 2015 #107
I've had enough "pragmatism" - I got 98% Bernie, 74% Hillary, 52% Bush - TBF Jun 2015 #111
Bernie 94, Hillary, 59, Christie 41. grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #117
Interestingly, I got 89% Bernie, but I got 82% Hillary, and 52% Christie Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2015 #118
93 % Bernie, 68 % Clinton Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #121
Bernie 87%, Clinton 53%, and Paul 57% a2liberal Jun 2015 #122
I go with the one I agree with in the primary Warpy Jun 2015 #126
 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
1. The LGBT community told pragmatists to stuff it
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

We won.

Despite so many Democratic allies telling us we were being unreasonable, irrational, that now wasn't the time, etc.

We were right, the pragmatists were wrong.

We need more pushing, not less.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. I have to vote for the Democrat I believe will win in the GE.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

It's all a numbers game and even if I disagree more with the candidate I am more certain will win, I have to go with the win in the GE.

Control of Congress and the Senate is just far too important not to. Get the numbers in the Congress and you rive the agenda. If not, the Tea Party drives the agenda.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Tea party loves Clintons
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

It gives them a nice juicy target. They will campaign hard against a Clinton, but submit to Bernie.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. They impeached Bill
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

Did you forget already? They impeached Bill Clinton. They are salivating about going after his wife.

Thing about socialism: America loves it. It will be great to argue the point out in the open instead of the idiots who drink it up but cry into their blankets about socialism and the good things it does for the world.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. The Senate acquitted and impeachment DEVESTATED the GOP in the elections.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

Did you forget already?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Then bush stole the election
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah it was just terrible for them.

The points are: Socialism makes the US great.

And the tea party will love going after Hillary, but many will vote for Bernie. Therefore Bernie has a much better chance of winning the GE.

Those are facts. And you feel the Bern, don't you?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
24. And "Socialism" is still a dirty word amongst the maority of voters. eom
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jun 2015

There is no path to victory for Bernie Sanders in a national election.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. Is socialism dirty to you?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

Go ahead, make my day!

You think socialism is a losing issue and you won't defend it?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. No.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

It is a losing issue, though. The majority of American voters simply will not vote for a self avowed Socialist.

If Bernie Sanders were to win the nomination I would expect a trouncing on the level of 1972.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
30. I added the "you won't defend it"
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

Because I get the feeling that even tho you are very well helped by socialism you don't feel that defending it is __________?

I wonder how many people in this country suck on the teat of socialism but are scared yellow by admitting how important it is to the well being of the least amongst us. I feel it is worth defending to the death, others, obviously, are not so brave?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
32. Politics is politics.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jun 2015

I vote to win and defeat the GOP. My way works.

Being idealistic resulted in 1972.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
36. 43 years ago?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

You are using a campaign from the time when the world had just crawled out of the nastiest, most pitiful era of oppression and war to support your idea of what's possible in today's world?

Your way works?

Uh, Clinton lost in 2008. Remember? Is that your way?

This idea that socialism is a losing issue does not speak well for your politics.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
34. I think you're confused as to what socialism is...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jun 2015

This country has no desire to scrap capitalism, no desire to nationalize industries, and no desire to raise taxes to provide more services. This nation may consider raising taxes on the rich to fund more war but that's about it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
38. No. I know what it is
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think you do.

The US government is socialism writ large, just not large enough. It sure ain't capitalism, is it?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
51. Socialism
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015
Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.


I refuse to move ownership of the means of production to the government.

I believe that more than 2/3 of the country agrees.
 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
66. There's socialism then there's Democratic socialism
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

That's what Bernie is, a Democratic socialist.

Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, or partly socialist economic system.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
113. What fairly tale land are you coming from?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

The impeachment did NOT devastate the GOP in the elections. The GOP had a net loss of only 5 Congressional seats in the 1998 elections, and then went on to control the White House for 8 years and the House and Senate for 6 years during the GW Bu$h years.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
82. They might have a hard time doing that when the Koch Brothers are more connected to commie Stalin...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jun 2015

... than Bernie is, and of course Stalin was more the 1%er Communist that was out to "purge" and kill off 99%er more democratic socialists that Bernie identifies with today like Trotsky then.



So at some point they'll realize that if they vote against Bernie, that they're siding more with the likes of commie Stalin in the election! Might have them scratching their heads when we help them find this out!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
110. "Submit"???
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

The Republicans will not sit down and submit. What a crazy idea. A socialist? They will fight tooth and nail. Republicans are not the ones who submit. People who don't vote are the ones who do that.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
17. If something happens in the next few months that would make you less certain of which Democrat
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

could be elected, would you then switch your support to the candidate who actually better reflects your views?

Also, what does the presidential election have to do with control of congress and the senate?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
19. I will vote for the candidate I ascertain to have the best chance of winning the GE.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015

No matter what.

Issues do not matter in this, only winning the GE matters.

Mentioning the Congress and Senate further demonstrated why pragmatism is necessary depending upon your state and district.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
41. "Issues do not matter in this" maybe to YOU the issues don't matter. If Jeb or Christie were running
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jun 2015

as Dems, would you vote for them?
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
50. Ridiculous question.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

I reject the notion that Christie or Bush would ever be Democrats as the most foolish and ridiculous supposition ever formulated on these boards.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
79. You still haven't answered my question
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jun 2015

So if something happens to demonstrate to you that Clinton does not have the best chance of winning the GE, will you support Sen. Sanders, the candidate who actually represents your point of view?

Because if you are supporting Clinton solely because you believe she has the better chance of winning, what you're really doing is voting for the lesser of two evils. We've all done that, I did it most recently in 1996, 2000 and 2012 general elections. But I never did it in a primary election and I never did it when there was a candidate I believed in or agreed with.

See, I think you're going to be in for a shock. Ms Clinton does not wear well with the public. The more people are exposed to her, the less they like her. She lacks charisma and seems stiff and humorless. All the hype can't make her something she isn't.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
54. There, I fear, is a flaw in your reasoning.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

This is the primary season. We are trying to choose the best candidate.

That means balancing a number of factors including electability but also good judgment and good views on the issues.

In my opinion, the flaw in your reasoning is that you assume that Hillary is more electable than Bernie Sanders.

That is not an established fact at this time.

Bernie Sanders has broad appeal. A lot of things could happen in Hillary Clinton's campaign that could disrail it, could reduce her poll numbers, etc.

Go with your conscience and your heart.

I'm going with Bernie Sanders. I agree with him on the issues, and I think he deserves the chance to prove that with his view on the issues and his honesty, humility, good personality and sense of humor, he could well prove to be very, very electable.

As for electability, Hillary Clinton actually has a lot of problems. Her ties to the corporations that have enriched Bill and Hillary Clinton puts her loyalty in question. That may not be fair, but the perception whether justified or not of a conflict of interest will always hang over her as a candidate or president. It's just reality. I didn't choose to make it that way.

Also, one serious problem (it's a bit of a pun) with Clinton's candidacy is that she does not have a really good, natural sense of humor or at least doesn't seem to be able to laugh at herself really easily. That is an important quality not just in a president but in a candidate. This was one of Obama's big resources and advantages over Hillary in 2008 - his great sense of humor, his ability to accept completely unwarranted criticisms and insults without feeling riled up. That is a quality that is utterly necessary in a winning candidate in a Democratic race.

Go with your conscience. If I were you, I would support Bernie in the primaries. Be honest with yourself. If Hillary really is as electable as you think, she will win the primaries without your support. Let the chips, the policy chips, fall where they may.

Just my advice. We each have to make our decision based on our own values.

I don't think Hillary is as electable as Bernie. My opinion for the reasons stated above.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
57. Hillary is both more electable and has better judgement, IMO
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jun 2015

Conscience be damned. I'm going with who will win and IMO, Bernie Sanders has ZERO chance of winning a general election.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. Hillary ovted for the Iraq War Resolution in spite of a warning against that vote by women
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jun 2015

from Code Pink who had visited Iraq. She has been so wrong on so many issues. It may be the influence of her corporate donors. The XL pipeline report from the State Department under her leadership was not something I could support. Her support for H1-B visas is something I oppose. Her support for the TPP (which can easily be read through the lines of her silence on the issue) . . . . . so many issues on which she has proven poor judgment.

Bernie Sanders is extremely likeable. Hillary --- comes across like a prudish schoolmarm. Sorry. I don't think she is electable.

I really would rather vote for a woman, but Elizabeth Warren, so far, is not running. Too bad.

Bernie, by the way, has in fact more experience in politics than does Hillary. I doubt that I can convince you, but I feel I need to answer your posts because people who read DU need to hear from both sides on this issue.

I just think that the assumption that Hillary is electable will be tragically incorrect.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
64. But maybe I can open the eyes of someone who is genuinely interested in deciding how
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

to vote. If you agree with Bernie but vote for Hillary -- I just don't know what to say.

There is this thing called integrity. It is about being true to yourself, being yourself and not being persuaded by what you think other people will do.

Pragmatism is a resort when the mob goes the wrong direction and you try to make the best of it. We aren't at that point yet.

This is the time when integrity should determine our actions and votes, not pragmatism.

My opinion. I respect your right to think as you wish.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
67. It's simple. Bernie cannot win against a REpublican on the national level and Hillary can.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jun 2015

That simple.

That is why I have made my decision. It is my opinion that if Bernie Sanders is the nominee he will lose worse than McGovern lost in 1972 and put the Democrats into the wilderness for a generation.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
80. I'm in California the bluest of the blue states, and I get to vote my conscience.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

I realize that others may feel they have to compromise. I don't. And I wouldn't anyway.

I was a huge McGovern supporter.

The big problem in that election was racism and the sense in many moderate voters that the Viet Nam war protestors had overstepped.

Further, the McGovern loss was preceded by the assassinations of leaders in the Democratic Party starting with JFKs and Martin Luther King's and Robert Kennedy, etc.

Drugs distracted a lot of people who would have helped McGovern's campaign. So there were a lot of factors.

I campaigned for McGovern. Registered voters along side of Jimmy Carter's mother. That was the first I heard of Jimmy Carter. I'll never forget it. McGovern's loss was a loss for the entire country. We still haven't recovered from it. And then what happened to the "winner" in that campaign, Nixon --- Nixon would have been better off had he lost. Nixon was one of our worst presidents ever. He is credited for having signed a lot of good legislation. But a lot of it, like ERISA was flawed and has not in some respects worked well for American labor. Nixon gets more credit than he was due.

The big loss was Humphrey's in 1968. The 1968 election was the one to win. Nixon was an incumbent in 1972 and it is hard to unseat an incumbent. Further, the 1968 Democratic convention was a horrible melee. That is the point at which the Democratic Party became divided. It was then that we really, really lost the South. (Maybe it was good riddance but it has hurt our election chances, and will hurt the chances of any candidate we nominate in 2016.)

We you alive in 1972? I remember that election very clearly.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
83. I remember it clearly...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jun 2015

And I sincerely believe Bernie Sanders would do worse on 2016 than McGovern did in 1972.

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
116. He's been beating Republicans who challenged him for the last 50 years...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jun 2015

Yeah, I'd like to think that Bernie can handle himself admirably and deal with the hostilities that come before him, and speak with them calmly and reasonably, and even change their hostility to likeability.

Clinton doesn't have that charisma, I agree. Bernie is very electable with his broad knowledge, and the pulse of America is still being checked by Bernie and knows the cure. (Yeah, that sounds like I used to support Dr. Dean - still a Deaniac, but don't agree with his current choices)

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
68. Then you are not a true Democrat. You are part of the problem.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jun 2015

A true Democrat analyzes all positions and go with the positions that best fit the issues at hand.

This ain't Survivor. This ain't a game. It's real life. Clinton CANNOT win. She has the personality of a gnat. She just is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

Bernie best fits your issues at hand with that test of yours, you should stick with him and back him up 100%. You will see at the end we were all right - Clinton is unelectable.

At the end, the Republicans will break for Bernie, as well as a large bloc of Independents as well as Democrats at the end of the GE. Bernie can easily win with about 75% of the vote.

Easily.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
69. I'm not a true Democrat because I won't back the only guy in the field who is not a Democrat???????
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jun 2015


We have entered Bizzaro world.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
105. I like Hillarys personality. What are you going on about?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:22 AM
Jun 2015

To me she comes across pretty witty and sharp. I think she's a tough broad, kinda like me. I find her very relatable. You might not like her but plenty of other people do

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
98. He's already said he doesn't care about the issues
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jun 2015

Based on his posts, I believe he is telling the truth. He would rather elect a person who is an "empty suit" instead of one that takes a stance on important issues.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
127. Judging by this guy's posts,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jun 2015

I believe you're right. And I don't believe he's a "95% fit" with Bernie. This is just another one of those tiresome "I like Bernie, but..." OPs that are so predictable.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. And here to understand why the TPP is such a threat to our democracy.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026823648

I hope that I explained it so that everyone can understand. I know what I am talking about with regard to the TPP.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
76. wow..
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jun 2015

So using the term (Democratic) Socialist is showing worse judgment than voting for IWR. Just.... wow.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
109. Won because Obama was in office
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

and because of the populace over time. You didn't get someone far to the left like Kucinich or a socialist elected. The people who were elected did it. So this is neither here nor there to the issue in the OP.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
120. That is very true
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

When pragmatism means selling out, heed the groups that show a message resonating beyond party lines. The LGBT+ community did it, and they were RIGHT. It turns out that gay rights COULD win you the election.

You want electable? First ask yourself what you want the platform to be. Than search the candidate best suited to argue for that platform. It may just be the guy who put the platform together in the first place.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
5. Christie-28, Bush-24
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

Rand Paul (R-Idiot) - 11

The only two above 50% for me were Sanders and Clinton.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
88. do you consider Paul or Christie more electable than clinton
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

If so, you'd better support them, if I am following the logic of the op correctly.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
102. Mine was close to yours
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jun 2015

I got 95% Sanders and 75% Clinton. The next highest was Huckabee at 37%. On one of the social questions I agreed with Huckabee about not removing the reference about God from currency, federal or government buildings, etc. That's about 37% more than I thought that I'd agree with him on.

brooklynite

(94,738 posts)
7. I came out at 85 Sanders / 80 Clinton
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015

...but of course that's impossible, because I'm a 1%er so I MUST be a conservative money-grubbing Republican, right?

In any event, the question continues to be: are you better off with someone you agree with most of the time who has a limited ability to win a national election, or someone you agree with some of the time whose odds are considerably better?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
21. Well, the trending question on who you prefer at the end, you can select him if you hit more choices
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

But they won't put his name with your results-

Bullshit- he has announced-

FYI-

77% Bernie-
70% Hillary-
52% Rand Paul LOL


But regardless of random website- I'm 100% O'MALLEY!

FSogol

(45,528 posts)
115. It is a BS site. Like any really liberal position and it gives you Sanders.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

Pick anything moderate or a women's issue and it gives you HRC regardless of their stances. It is even simplistic on the GOP side with their wrongheaded social issues. It's an oversimplified toy to reinforce people's preexisting notions. Total waste of time.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. 96% Sanders, 79% Clinton all the way down to 9% Walker and Santorum
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not sure I'm in total agreement (I wish all questions were weighted but I only had the option to weight one of them) but it is one of the better tests I've taken.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
123. I think you can weight any question
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jun 2015

Not sure why it highlights that area red for some of them, but I was able to select a weight regardless on any question I tried, and it appears to have used them too.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
23. Bernie - 91%. Hillary 63%.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jun 2015

I'll continue to support Bernie because ...

A. His policy positions best reflect mine.

B. I think he has the best chance of winning the general election.



On edit: Scott Walker - 3%.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. settling is one thing
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

but as we are nowhere near the convention yet, I see no problem with supporting Bernie as a way to say "Hey, Hillary, the advisors who crashed your 2008 bid are at it again, because they learned NOTHING. Fire them and bend left." Now, add 12 months to the present date, and I will be in line with whoever wins, even if some of them are the people who will tell Hillary her first job when she gets in is to destroy the left and drag the party to the mythical center, aka the center right.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
28. 99% Bernie 72% Hillary.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

It seems my biggest divide with Hillary is on the environment but I think they are taking some liberties with her stance on some of the questions. I've been waiting to hear from her on a lot of topics, maybe she'll address some of them tomorrow.

99 > 72 - therefore I still am on board with Bernie!

Vote on principles!

So far, correct me if I am wrong, but if everyone responding voted on their principles Bernie would get all of our votes. If we all did this nationwide Bernie wins easily.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. You're voting with all the other people in the country
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jun 2015

That is reality. The numbers won't go away. Those people you are voting with are not going to all vote for Bernie because you are being idealistic.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
124. Yep - the people stupidly vote against themselves...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jun 2015

whether they vote Corporate R or Corporate D.

It's time to vote FOR ourselves - and I fully intend to do that.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
37. Then why do you fight Sanders supporters as hard as anyone?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

Is it just because you think he can't win in the GE?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
39. Interesting "answers" from Hillary.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jun 2015

Supports legalization for marijuana, but ONLY for medical uses.

Should NOT decrease spending on military.

Supports adopting common core.

Supports fracking.

Supports stronger border security.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
43. I side with Bernie Sanders at 77% it seems.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders - 77
Hillary Clinton - 70
Jeb Bush - 41
Mke Huckabee - 39
Rand Paul - 19

What the heck is with this poll? The majority they put in are the Republican candidates, only including Bernie Sanders and Clinton. I am currently firmly in the O'Malley camp, and he's not even there.


77% - Bernie Sanders Democrat
70% - Hillary Clinton Democrat
41% - Jeb Bush Republican
39% - Mike Huckabee Republican
34% - Chris Christie Republican
27% - Marco Rubio Republican
20% - Rick Santorum Republican
19% - Rand Paul Republican
17% - Ted Cruz Republican
13% - Ben Carson Republican
13% - Carly Fiorina Republican
9% - Scott Walker Republican

That is supposedly everyone in there, and that is just wrong.
Where is Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley and any other possible Democrat?

I refuse to believe that I have more in common with Jeb than O'Malley.

Other notes:
Left-Wing
Your political beliefs would be considered moderately Left-Wing on an ideological scale, meaning you tend to support policies that promote social and economic equality.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
48. I was wondering about O'Malley.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

And Pataki on the repub side, who might be the only they have that isn't insane.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
44. That's depressing
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jun 2015

And I have to say that while you are not my favorite person on DU, I have to respect that you put on the table the schism between principles and expediency.

93 Bernie/64 Clinton - hmm, wonder where I lost radical Bernie wingnut points!

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
47. 93% Bernie / 60% Hillary / 39% Chimpy 2 / 16% Randroid / 10% Crisco/ 11% Fuckabee / 3% White Walker
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jun 2015

1% Carnival Cruz

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
52. Illuminating thread, thank you for posting it.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

My results: 91 % Bernie Sanders
72 % Hillary Clinton



lol@ Ted Cruz 3%, Carly Fiorina 1%




I support Sanders, btw.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
53. 94% Sanders, 68% Clinton, and, - the horror- over 55% Jebbie!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

That last one made me feel terrible. Does that mean that Clinton
and Bush are only 13% apart? Perhaps my answers were wrong.

I would like to see the candidates answers to those questions
as well. And yes, we have now 4 candidates. Where are the other
two?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
55. It's how much you rate your answers, plus if you drill down into more specifics...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

and then if you answer the extra questions.

I rated each questions, drilled down on each question, AND I answered all of the extra questions in each area.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
60. 97% Bernie! Yay! Clinton 71%
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jun 2015

I'm with Bernie and whoever is the Democratic nominee....which will be Bernie.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
63. 96% Sanders and 85% Clinton
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

Like I've said before, I prefer Sanders but am willing to vote for either in the GE.

I also noted that I was 41% with Rand Paul, which is a bit too much for my comfort. And for some reason, my worst match (3%) was Carly Fiorina. That might be fitting since I'm only 3% sure I know who Carly Fiorina is.

MuseRider

(34,120 posts)
71. 96% Bernie but many of the things they counted as
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

not agreeing were because they did not know his stance on them. There were 9 questions we disagreed on. 6 of those were because they could not determine where he stood on those issues.

72% with Hillary, we disagreed on things that are very important to me so there ya go.

28% Huckabee
28% Paul

13% Carson

5% Fiorina
5% Cruz

4% Walker

frylock

(34,825 posts)
73. 98% Sanders, 76% Clinton
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Highest rated GOP candidate was Randy Paul at 28%.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
78. 99% Sanders, 68% Clinton
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jun 2015

I figured I would align pretty close with Sanders, but I didn't think it would be that close! Go Bernie!

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
84. 87% Bernie, 70% Hillary. But most importantly no GOP is over 40%
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:38 PM
Jun 2015

Which means come the general election I will support any Democrat 100% for President. Actually other than Christie and Bush all the other candidates were single digits.

That's why I am still Team Undecided GO Democrats!!!

Oh I wrote-in Joe Biden as my preferred candidate.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
85. I side with Bernie Sanders on most 2016 Presidential Election issues
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jun 2015

Though only 90%. Probably gun control is where we differ.

edit- I see I may have to change some of my answers, It said I approved of common core in my results, that is not correct. Wonder if I misread the question.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
86. I'm at 97% so gotta stick with him
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jun 2015

Candidates you side with...

97%

Bernie Sanders  Democrat

on economic, environmental, social, domestic policy, foreign policy, immigration, healthcare, and education issues.
compare answers

67%

Hillary Clinton  Democrat

on foreign policy and social issues.
compare answers

37%

Mike Huckabee  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

34%

Chris Christie  Republican

on environmental issues.
compare answers

33%

Rand Paul  Republican

on foreign policy issues.
compare answers

27%

Jeb Bush  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

18%

Ben Carson  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

11%

Scott Walker  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

10%

Ted Cruz  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

9%

Rick Santorum  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

9%

Carly Fiorina  Republican

no major issues.
compare answers

7%

Marco Rubio  Republican

no major issues.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
92. That quiz was fun! I enjoyed that, even though at the end when it asked for fave candidate I chose
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jun 2015

'Add your own stance' and had to put "don't have a fave yet."

Said that I side with Bernie Sanders 86% of the time on domestic, social, environment and immigration and foreign policy. Said I side with Hillary 67%.

Sadly, me and the only brother in the race have little in common. Me and Ben Carson apparently only agree on 17% of issues. What a shame.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
94. Slightly bewildered by the scores
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jun 2015

Did any HRC supporters identify more with Hillary than Bernie? If not, what the hell are you folks doing?

hay rick

(7,641 posts)
95. 87% Bernie, 79% Hillary
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jun 2015

But if I had a chance to weight the issues, particularly economic issues, I think the margin would be wider.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
96. My results
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:22 AM
Jun 2015

No surprise as Bernie is my candidate. Results:

I side with Bernie Sanders on most 2016 Presidential Election issues
Candidates you side with...

98%Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders Democrat
on economic, domestic policy, environmental, social, education, foreign policy, healthcare, and immigration issues.
compare answers

75%Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton Democrat
on domestic policy, social, healthcare, and education issues.
compare answers

37%Mike Huckabee
Mike Huckabee Republican
no major issues.
compare answers

31%Chris Christie
Chris Christie Republican
on environmental issues.
compare answers

25%Rand Paul
Rand Paul Republican
no major issues.
compare answers

9%Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz Republican
no major issues.
compare answers

6%Scott Walker
Scott Walker Republican
no major issues.
compare answers

6%Ben Carson
Ben Carson Republican
no major issues.
compare answers

1%Carly Fiorina
Carly Fiorina Republican
no major issues.
compare answers
Show all candidates

mvd

(65,180 posts)
114. Forgot to expand the results
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

But didn't get anything surprising when I did - Bush 17%, Santorum 8%, Rubio 4%

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
97. So why not support Bernie in the primaries? If Hillary wins, vote for her in the GE.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jun 2015

Why abandon your principles right in the middle of the process devoted to trying to get the person who best represents you?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
103. Pragmatic liberals is bill of goods the DLC sold Democrats to sell them on Pub Lite.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:18 AM
Jun 2015

Let's talk polls. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777036

I am not sure who the next President will be. The only bet I am willing to place on that score is that it will not be Hillary.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
106. I had the same results and I support Hillary Clinton as well.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

Pragmatism is of vital importance in politics. Bernie Sanders is a great guy, but he can't win the presidency, and even if he could, he wouldn't be able to get any revolutionary changes made because the GOP would block him. Hillary knows how to fight republicans. She's been doing it for decades. I would choose her above anyone else to go up against them.

Obama thought he was going to go to Washington and have a "post-partisan" administration. HAHA. I knew they wouldn't work with him. Hillary knew it too. She warned him. She said they would chip away at the healthcare bill until it was only a shell of its former self. She was right. Obama wasted a lot of time and lost the public option, etc., when trying to negotiate with those idiots. Hillary knows better. That is why I choose her.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
107. Sanders 80% Hillary 67%
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jun 2015

In 2008 a similar test said I was for Kucinich.

But I do want a D and not R President, and will support whoever the Ds want, though I am on the left of them. Going around insulting the "Centrists" to me is just stupid. I save it for the Republicans.

Somehow I agree with Jeb Bush 15% of the time. The other clown car less and Carly Fiorina, whoever she is, 0%!

TBF

(32,098 posts)
111. I've had enough "pragmatism" - I got 98% Bernie, 74% Hillary, 52% Bush -
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

and I am sticking with Bernie.

What has "pragmatism" gotten us lately? Because all I see is a larger gap between the very wealthy and the rest of us ... perhaps you have insight on how this is possibly helpful?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
118. Interestingly, I got 89% Bernie, but I got 82% Hillary, and 52% Christie
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

All of the other Republicans were <35%.

I am, of course, Ready for Hillary.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
121. 93 % Bernie, 68 % Clinton
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jun 2015

and strangely, 52 % Jeb Bush.

I feel dirty right now.

Alternatively: just how much of that test do Clinton and Bush agree on?

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
122. Bernie 87%, Clinton 53%, and Paul 57%
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

With the other Republicans for the most part down in the 10-20% weeds. Don't ban me please, I just happen to think that NSA spying and related issues are very important and ranked them as such...

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
126. I go with the one I agree with in the primary
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jun 2015

because a good showing there will tell the DNC that we're still out here and we won't be patient with their "business as usual" platform forever.

I will vote for whatever stiff gets the party's nomination in November.

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