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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am 95% with Bernie Sanders on the issues and only 69% with Hillary Clinton
Results of the test I took here: http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/945219162
The test itself is here: http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz
I'm still a hard core Hillary Clinton supporter. Gotta go with who I think can win in the GE.
Pragmatism. It works at whatever level you are talking. In my current district, I'd have to settle for a Congressional candidate who is much less liberal than I would like (currently my Congresscritter is Randy Hultgren). For Senator, Tammy Duckworth is about right for the state. If I move about 8 blocks away I'd be in Bill Foster's district.
Prism
(5,815 posts)We won.
Despite so many Democratic allies telling us we were being unreasonable, irrational, that now wasn't the time, etc.
We were right, the pragmatists were wrong.
We need more pushing, not less.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It's all a numbers game and even if I disagree more with the candidate I am more certain will win, I have to go with the win in the GE.
Control of Congress and the Senate is just far too important not to. Get the numbers in the Congress and you rive the agenda. If not, the Tea Party drives the agenda.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It gives them a nice juicy target. They will campaign hard against a Clinton, but submit to Bernie.
They'll have a field day with a self avowed Socialist.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Did you forget already? They impeached Bill Clinton. They are salivating about going after his wife.
Thing about socialism: America loves it. It will be great to argue the point out in the open instead of the idiots who drink it up but cry into their blankets about socialism and the good things it does for the world.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Did you forget already?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Yeah it was just terrible for them.
The points are: Socialism makes the US great.
And the tea party will love going after Hillary, but many will vote for Bernie. Therefore Bernie has a much better chance of winning the GE.
Those are facts. And you feel the Bern, don't you?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There is no path to victory for Bernie Sanders in a national election.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Go ahead, make my day!
You think socialism is a losing issue and you won't defend it?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It is a losing issue, though. The majority of American voters simply will not vote for a self avowed Socialist.
If Bernie Sanders were to win the nomination I would expect a trouncing on the level of 1972.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Because I get the feeling that even tho you are very well helped by socialism you don't feel that defending it is __________?
I wonder how many people in this country suck on the teat of socialism but are scared yellow by admitting how important it is to the well being of the least amongst us. I feel it is worth defending to the death, others, obviously, are not so brave?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I vote to win and defeat the GOP. My way works.
Being idealistic resulted in 1972.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You are using a campaign from the time when the world had just crawled out of the nastiest, most pitiful era of oppression and war to support your idea of what's possible in today's world?
Your way works?
Uh, Clinton lost in 2008. Remember? Is that your way?
This idea that socialism is a losing issue does not speak well for your politics.
frylock
(34,825 posts)sgtbenobo
(327 posts)...they came for me.
keep warm, nite.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This country has no desire to scrap capitalism, no desire to nationalize industries, and no desire to raise taxes to provide more services. This nation may consider raising taxes on the rich to fund more war but that's about it.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I don't think you do.
The US government is socialism writ large, just not large enough. It sure ain't capitalism, is it?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I refuse to move ownership of the means of production to the government.
I believe that more than 2/3 of the country agrees.
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)That's what Bernie is, a Democratic socialist.
Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, or partly socialist economic system.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Ooh.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The impeachment did NOT devastate the GOP in the elections. The GOP had a net loss of only 5 Congressional seats in the 1998 elections, and then went on to control the White House for 8 years and the House and Senate for 6 years during the GW Bu$h years.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Oh, those glass houses!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... than Bernie is, and of course Stalin was more the 1%er Communist that was out to "purge" and kill off 99%er more democratic socialists that Bernie identifies with today like Trotsky then.
So at some point they'll realize that if they vote against Bernie, that they're siding more with the likes of commie Stalin in the election! Might have them scratching their heads when we help them find this out!
treestar
(82,383 posts)The Republicans will not sit down and submit. What a crazy idea. A socialist? They will fight tooth and nail. Republicans are not the ones who submit. People who don't vote are the ones who do that.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)could be elected, would you then switch your support to the candidate who actually better reflects your views?
Also, what does the presidential election have to do with control of congress and the senate?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)No matter what.
Issues do not matter in this, only winning the GE matters.
Mentioning the Congress and Senate further demonstrated why pragmatism is necessary depending upon your state and district.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)as Dems, would you vote for them?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I reject the notion that Christie or Bush would ever be Democrats as the most foolish and ridiculous supposition ever formulated on these boards.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)So if something happens to demonstrate to you that Clinton does not have the best chance of winning the GE, will you support Sen. Sanders, the candidate who actually represents your point of view?
Because if you are supporting Clinton solely because you believe she has the better chance of winning, what you're really doing is voting for the lesser of two evils. We've all done that, I did it most recently in 1996, 2000 and 2012 general elections. But I never did it in a primary election and I never did it when there was a candidate I believed in or agreed with.
See, I think you're going to be in for a shock. Ms Clinton does not wear well with the public. The more people are exposed to her, the less they like her. She lacks charisma and seems stiff and humorless. All the hype can't make her something she isn't.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)This is the primary season. We are trying to choose the best candidate.
That means balancing a number of factors including electability but also good judgment and good views on the issues.
In my opinion, the flaw in your reasoning is that you assume that Hillary is more electable than Bernie Sanders.
That is not an established fact at this time.
Bernie Sanders has broad appeal. A lot of things could happen in Hillary Clinton's campaign that could disrail it, could reduce her poll numbers, etc.
Go with your conscience and your heart.
I'm going with Bernie Sanders. I agree with him on the issues, and I think he deserves the chance to prove that with his view on the issues and his honesty, humility, good personality and sense of humor, he could well prove to be very, very electable.
As for electability, Hillary Clinton actually has a lot of problems. Her ties to the corporations that have enriched Bill and Hillary Clinton puts her loyalty in question. That may not be fair, but the perception whether justified or not of a conflict of interest will always hang over her as a candidate or president. It's just reality. I didn't choose to make it that way.
Also, one serious problem (it's a bit of a pun) with Clinton's candidacy is that she does not have a really good, natural sense of humor or at least doesn't seem to be able to laugh at herself really easily. That is an important quality not just in a president but in a candidate. This was one of Obama's big resources and advantages over Hillary in 2008 - his great sense of humor, his ability to accept completely unwarranted criticisms and insults without feeling riled up. That is a quality that is utterly necessary in a winning candidate in a Democratic race.
Go with your conscience. If I were you, I would support Bernie in the primaries. Be honest with yourself. If Hillary really is as electable as you think, she will win the primaries without your support. Let the chips, the policy chips, fall where they may.
Just my advice. We each have to make our decision based on our own values.
I don't think Hillary is as electable as Bernie. My opinion for the reasons stated above.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Conscience be damned. I'm going with who will win and IMO, Bernie Sanders has ZERO chance of winning a general election.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)from Code Pink who had visited Iraq. She has been so wrong on so many issues. It may be the influence of her corporate donors. The XL pipeline report from the State Department under her leadership was not something I could support. Her support for H1-B visas is something I oppose. Her support for the TPP (which can easily be read through the lines of her silence on the issue) . . . . . so many issues on which she has proven poor judgment.
Bernie Sanders is extremely likeable. Hillary --- comes across like a prudish schoolmarm. Sorry. I don't think she is electable.
I really would rather vote for a woman, but Elizabeth Warren, so far, is not running. Too bad.
Bernie, by the way, has in fact more experience in politics than does Hillary. I doubt that I can convince you, but I feel I need to answer your posts because people who read DU need to hear from both sides on this issue.
I just think that the assumption that Hillary is electable will be tragically incorrect.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)to vote. If you agree with Bernie but vote for Hillary -- I just don't know what to say.
There is this thing called integrity. It is about being true to yourself, being yourself and not being persuaded by what you think other people will do.
Pragmatism is a resort when the mob goes the wrong direction and you try to make the best of it. We aren't at that point yet.
This is the time when integrity should determine our actions and votes, not pragmatism.
My opinion. I respect your right to think as you wish.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)That simple.
That is why I have made my decision. It is my opinion that if Bernie Sanders is the nominee he will lose worse than McGovern lost in 1972 and put the Democrats into the wilderness for a generation.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I realize that others may feel they have to compromise. I don't. And I wouldn't anyway.
I was a huge McGovern supporter.
The big problem in that election was racism and the sense in many moderate voters that the Viet Nam war protestors had overstepped.
Further, the McGovern loss was preceded by the assassinations of leaders in the Democratic Party starting with JFKs and Martin Luther King's and Robert Kennedy, etc.
Drugs distracted a lot of people who would have helped McGovern's campaign. So there were a lot of factors.
I campaigned for McGovern. Registered voters along side of Jimmy Carter's mother. That was the first I heard of Jimmy Carter. I'll never forget it. McGovern's loss was a loss for the entire country. We still haven't recovered from it. And then what happened to the "winner" in that campaign, Nixon --- Nixon would have been better off had he lost. Nixon was one of our worst presidents ever. He is credited for having signed a lot of good legislation. But a lot of it, like ERISA was flawed and has not in some respects worked well for American labor. Nixon gets more credit than he was due.
The big loss was Humphrey's in 1968. The 1968 election was the one to win. Nixon was an incumbent in 1972 and it is hard to unseat an incumbent. Further, the 1968 Democratic convention was a horrible melee. That is the point at which the Democratic Party became divided. It was then that we really, really lost the South. (Maybe it was good riddance but it has hurt our election chances, and will hurt the chances of any candidate we nominate in 2016.)
We you alive in 1972? I remember that election very clearly.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)And I sincerely believe Bernie Sanders would do worse on 2016 than McGovern did in 1972.
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)Yeah, I'd like to think that Bernie can handle himself admirably and deal with the hostilities that come before him, and speak with them calmly and reasonably, and even change their hostility to likeability.
Clinton doesn't have that charisma, I agree. Bernie is very electable with his broad knowledge, and the pulse of America is still being checked by Bernie and knows the cure. (Yeah, that sounds like I used to support Dr. Dean - still a Deaniac, but don't agree with his current choices)
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)A true Democrat analyzes all positions and go with the positions that best fit the issues at hand.
This ain't Survivor. This ain't a game. It's real life. Clinton CANNOT win. She has the personality of a gnat. She just is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Bernie best fits your issues at hand with that test of yours, you should stick with him and back him up 100%. You will see at the end we were all right - Clinton is unelectable.
At the end, the Republicans will break for Bernie, as well as a large bloc of Independents as well as Democrats at the end of the GE. Bernie can easily win with about 75% of the vote.
Easily.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)We have entered Bizzaro world.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)To me she comes across pretty witty and sharp. I think she's a tough broad, kinda like me. I find her very relatable. You might not like her but plenty of other people do
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Based on his posts, I believe he is telling the truth. He would rather elect a person who is an "empty suit" instead of one that takes a stance on important issues.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Head shot!!! You called that right, David
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I believe you're right. And I don't believe he's a "95% fit" with Bernie. This is just another one of those tiresome "I like Bernie, but..." OPs that are so predictable.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I hope that I explained it so that everyone can understand. I know what I am talking about with regard to the TPP.
frylock
(34,825 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)So using the term (Democratic) Socialist is showing worse judgment than voting for IWR. Just.... wow.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and because of the populace over time. You didn't get someone far to the left like Kucinich or a socialist elected. The people who were elected did it. So this is neither here nor there to the issue in the OP.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)When pragmatism means selling out, heed the groups that show a message resonating beyond party lines. The LGBT+ community did it, and they were RIGHT. It turns out that gay rights COULD win you the election.
You want electable? First ask yourself what you want the platform to be. Than search the candidate best suited to argue for that platform. It may just be the guy who put the platform together in the first place.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Christie-53, Rand Paul-52
The only four above 50 percent
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Rand Paul (R-Idiot) - 11
The only two above 50% for me were Sanders and Clinton.
Kingofalldems
(38,485 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)If so, you'd better support them, if I am following the logic of the op correctly.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I got 95% Sanders and 75% Clinton. The next highest was Huckabee at 37%. On one of the social questions I agreed with Huckabee about not removing the reference about God from currency, federal or government buildings, etc. That's about 37% more than I thought that I'd agree with him on.
brooklynite
(94,738 posts)...but of course that's impossible, because I'm a 1%er so I MUST be a conservative money-grubbing Republican, right?
In any event, the question continues to be: are you better off with someone you agree with most of the time who has a limited ability to win a national election, or someone you agree with some of the time whose odds are considerably better?
dawg
(10,624 posts)It's why I wasted my vote on John Kerry.
(And he lost anyway.)
snooper2
(30,151 posts)agenda maybe?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)But they won't put his name with your results-
Bullshit- he has announced-
FYI-
77% Bernie-
70% Hillary-
52% Rand Paul LOL
But regardless of random website- I'm 100% O'MALLEY!
FSogol
(45,528 posts)Pick anything moderate or a women's issue and it gives you HRC regardless of their stances. It is even simplistic on the GOP side with their wrongheaded social issues. It's an oversimplified toy to reinforce people's preexisting notions. Total waste of time.
treestar
(82,383 posts)hit other responses at the bottom and a bunch more names come up.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)I'm not sure I'm in total agreement (I wish all questions were weighted but I only had the option to weight one of them) but it is one of the better tests I've taken.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)Not sure why it highlights that area red for some of them, but I was able to select a weight regardless on any question I tried, and it appears to have used them too.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)MattSh
(3,714 posts)And I'm with Sanders.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)I'll continue to support Bernie because ...
A. His policy positions best reflect mine.
B. I think he has the best chance of winning the general election.
On edit: Scott Walker - 3%.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)but as we are nowhere near the convention yet, I see no problem with supporting Bernie as a way to say "Hey, Hillary, the advisors who crashed your 2008 bid are at it again, because they learned NOTHING. Fire them and bend left." Now, add 12 months to the present date, and I will be in line with whoever wins, even if some of them are the people who will tell Hillary her first job when she gets in is to destroy the left and drag the party to the mythical center, aka the center right.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)It seems my biggest divide with Hillary is on the environment but I think they are taking some liberties with her stance on some of the questions. I've been waiting to hear from her on a lot of topics, maybe she'll address some of them tomorrow.
99 > 72 - therefore I still am on board with Bernie!
Vote on principles!
So far, correct me if I am wrong, but if everyone responding voted on their principles Bernie would get all of our votes. If we all did this nationwide Bernie wins easily.
polichick
(37,152 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That is reality. The numbers won't go away. Those people you are voting with are not going to all vote for Bernie because you are being idealistic.
polichick
(37,152 posts)whether they vote Corporate R or Corporate D.
It's time to vote FOR ourselves - and I fully intend to do that.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)I think the Hillary number is fudged in her favor.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Is it just because you think he can't win in the GE?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Supports legalization for marijuana, but ONLY for medical uses.
Should NOT decrease spending on military.
Supports adopting common core.
Supports fracking.
Supports stronger border security.
Delphinus
(11,840 posts)I am 90% aligned with Bernie Sanders and 60% with Hillary.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Bernie Sanders - 77
Hillary Clinton - 70
Jeb Bush - 41
Mke Huckabee - 39
Rand Paul - 19
What the heck is with this poll? The majority they put in are the Republican candidates, only including Bernie Sanders and Clinton. I am currently firmly in the O'Malley camp, and he's not even there.
77% - Bernie Sanders Democrat
70% - Hillary Clinton Democrat
41% - Jeb Bush Republican
39% - Mike Huckabee Republican
34% - Chris Christie Republican
27% - Marco Rubio Republican
20% - Rick Santorum Republican
19% - Rand Paul Republican
17% - Ted Cruz Republican
13% - Ben Carson Republican
13% - Carly Fiorina Republican
9% - Scott Walker Republican
That is supposedly everyone in there, and that is just wrong.
Where is Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley and any other possible Democrat?
I refuse to believe that I have more in common with Jeb than O'Malley.
Other notes:
Left-Wing
Your political beliefs would be considered moderately Left-Wing on an ideological scale, meaning you tend to support policies that promote social and economic equality.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)And Pataki on the repub side, who might be the only they have that isn't insane.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Oh well... Perhaps they need to update or something.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)And I have to say that while you are not my favorite person on DU, I have to respect that you put on the table the schism between principles and expediency.
93 Bernie/64 Clinton - hmm, wonder where I lost radical Bernie wingnut points!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)80% - Bernie
71% - HRC
Erose999
(5,624 posts)1% Carnival Cruz
Erose999
(5,624 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)My results: 91 % Bernie Sanders
72 % Hillary Clinton
lol@ Ted Cruz 3%, Carly Fiorina 1%
I support Sanders, btw.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)That last one made me feel terrible. Does that mean that Clinton
and Bush are only 13% apart? Perhaps my answers were wrong.
I would like to see the candidates answers to those questions
as well. And yes, we have now 4 candidates. Where are the other
two?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)and then if you answer the extra questions.
I rated each questions, drilled down on each question, AND I answered all of the extra questions in each area.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)I'm with Bernie and whoever is the Democratic nominee....which will be Bernie.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Like I've said before, I prefer Sanders but am willing to vote for either in the GE.
I also noted that I was 41% with Rand Paul, which is a bit too much for my comfort. And for some reason, my worst match (3%) was Carly Fiorina. That might be fitting since I'm only 3% sure I know who Carly Fiorina is.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I want to know where I screwed up with my answers.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I got 0% for Carly Fiorina though!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Interesting.
MuseRider
(34,120 posts)not agreeing were because they did not know his stance on them. There were 9 questions we disagreed on. 6 of those were because they could not determine where he stood on those issues.
72% with Hillary, we disagreed on things that are very important to me so there ya go.
28% Huckabee
28% Paul
13% Carson
5% Fiorina
5% Cruz
4% Walker
frylock
(34,825 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)
Highest rated GOP candidate was Randy Paul at 28%.
riversedge
(70,306 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)I figured I would align pretty close with Sanders, but I didn't think it would be that close! Go Bernie!
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Which means come the general election I will support any Democrat 100% for President. Actually other than Christie and Bush all the other candidates were single digits.
That's why I am still Team Undecided GO Democrats!!!
Oh I wrote-in Joe Biden as my preferred candidate.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Though only 90%. Probably gun control is where we differ.
edit- I see I may have to change some of my answers, It said I approved of common core in my results, that is not correct. Wonder if I misread the question.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Candidates you side with...
97%
Bernie Sanders Democrat
on economic, environmental, social, domestic policy, foreign policy, immigration, healthcare, and education issues.
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67%
Hillary Clinton Democrat
on foreign policy and social issues.
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37%
Mike Huckabee Republican
no major issues.
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34%
Chris Christie Republican
on environmental issues.
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33%
Rand Paul Republican
on foreign policy issues.
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27%
Jeb Bush Republican
no major issues.
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18%
Ben Carson Republican
no major issues.
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11%
Scott Walker Republican
no major issues.
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10%
Ted Cruz Republican
no major issues.
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9%
Rick Santorum Republican
no major issues.
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9%
Carly Fiorina Republican
no major issues.
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7%
Marco Rubio Republican
no major issues.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)74% Hillary
39% Rand Paul
Santorum 3%
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)'Add your own stance' and had to put "don't have a fave yet."
Said that I side with Bernie Sanders 86% of the time on domestic, social, environment and immigration and foreign policy. Said I side with Hillary 67%.
Sadly, me and the only brother in the race have little in common. Me and Ben Carson apparently only agree on 17% of issues. What a shame.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)[img][/img]
As for presidential, 97% Bernie, 75% HRC. 2% Cruz!
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/948619762
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Did any HRC supporters identify more with Hillary than Bernie? If not, what the hell are you folks doing?
hay rick
(7,641 posts)But if I had a chance to weight the issues, particularly economic issues, I think the margin would be wider.
mvd
(65,180 posts)No surprise as Bernie is my candidate. Results:
I side with Bernie Sanders on most 2016 Presidential Election issues
Candidates you side with...
98%Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders Democrat
on economic, domestic policy, environmental, social, education, foreign policy, healthcare, and immigration issues.
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75%Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton Democrat
on domestic policy, social, healthcare, and education issues.
compare answers
37%Mike Huckabee
Mike Huckabee Republican
no major issues.
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31%Chris Christie
Chris Christie Republican
on environmental issues.
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25%Rand Paul
Rand Paul Republican
no major issues.
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9%Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz Republican
no major issues.
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6%Scott Walker
Scott Walker Republican
no major issues.
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6%Ben Carson
Ben Carson Republican
no major issues.
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1%Carly Fiorina
Carly Fiorina Republican
no major issues.
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mvd
(65,180 posts)But didn't get anything surprising when I did - Bush 17%, Santorum 8%, Rubio 4%
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Why abandon your principles right in the middle of the process devoted to trying to get the person who best represents you?
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)petronius
(26,603 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Let's talk polls. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777036
I am not sure who the next President will be. The only bet I am willing to place on that score is that it will not be Hillary.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Pragmatism is of vital importance in politics. Bernie Sanders is a great guy, but he can't win the presidency, and even if he could, he wouldn't be able to get any revolutionary changes made because the GOP would block him. Hillary knows how to fight republicans. She's been doing it for decades. I would choose her above anyone else to go up against them.
Obama thought he was going to go to Washington and have a "post-partisan" administration. HAHA. I knew they wouldn't work with him. Hillary knew it too. She warned him. She said they would chip away at the healthcare bill until it was only a shell of its former self. She was right. Obama wasted a lot of time and lost the public option, etc., when trying to negotiate with those idiots. Hillary knows better. That is why I choose her.
treestar
(82,383 posts)In 2008 a similar test said I was for Kucinich.
But I do want a D and not R President, and will support whoever the Ds want, though I am on the left of them. Going around insulting the "Centrists" to me is just stupid. I save it for the Republicans.
Somehow I agree with Jeb Bush 15% of the time. The other clown car less and Carly Fiorina, whoever she is, 0%!
TBF
(32,098 posts)and I am sticking with Bernie.
What has "pragmatism" gotten us lately? Because all I see is a larger gap between the very wealthy and the rest of us ... perhaps you have insight on how this is possibly helpful?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)All of the other Republicans were <35%.
I am, of course, Ready for Hillary.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)and strangely, 52 % Jeb Bush.
I feel dirty right now.
Alternatively: just how much of that test do Clinton and Bush agree on?
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)With the other Republicans for the most part down in the 10-20% weeds. Don't ban me please, I just happen to think that NSA spying and related issues are very important and ranked them as such...
Warpy
(111,352 posts)because a good showing there will tell the DNC that we're still out here and we won't be patient with their "business as usual" platform forever.
I will vote for whatever stiff gets the party's nomination in November.