Can't resist. Reasons for voting against one's self-interest. This is so true.

[madfloridian]

[Solly Mack]

1. How they aspire. How they do aspire.

Reminds me of an episode of "All in the Family", where Mike and Gloria are making fun of Archie for voting to protect the rich because Archie said that one day he might have $500,000 to protect. Never mind the reality that Archie was never going to have that kind of money and he was only hurting himself voting to protect the wealth of others and not in his best interests.

[tymorial]

2. God i loved that show.

[Solly Mack]

29. I did, too.

The show broke new ground and forced its viewers, sometimes uncomfortably, to see just how ridiculous bigotry is.

It also took on other important issues way ahead of other TV shows.

[madfloridian]

3. Archie was the personification of so many, not just then but today.

[Solly Mack]

30. Oh, yeah. The "Archie's" of the world are still around.

[rhett o rick]

4. Couldn't you also have one that says similar but "I voted Democrat so they would pass

the TPP and ship more jobs to China."

[Fumesucker]

5. Don't you have some peas you need to be eating?

[rhett o rick]

8. Sorry, I don't know what that means. nm

[Fumesucker]

9. ...

[rhett o rick]

12. But I am not particularly found of peas. Can I substitute vodka?

Thanks for clearing that up.

[hifiguy]

23. Only if the vodka is really good

and kept in the freezer.

[rhett o rick]

34. I am not that discerning to be able to recognize a very good vodka from an

average vodka, especially when they are very cold. I do prefer small olives and not those giants they give you at the bars to displace as much liquid as possible.

[hifiguy]

42. Try Sobieski.

Not terribly expensive but Polish (Poles invented vodka no matter what Russians say), as pure as water and incredibly lethal.

[Fuddnik]

48. I drink Sobieski. Used to drink Stoli.

But, Sobieski is just as good, and $10 per 1.75 cheaper.

[lark]

60. Grey Goose

A bartender friend turned me on to this when we were on a cruise. Said, try Grey Goosse, you will never drink another Vodka after this. Unfortunately for my pocketbook, he was 100% correct. I'm sure there are other great Vodka's out there, but this is still my first choice for a drink (with some good tonic and a big fat lemon and lime).

[Paka]

63. That's some good stuff.

And in Poland they drink it with apple juice.

[gregcrawford]

45. The best vodka in the world is Luksusawa...

... it's made from potatoes, as it was in the beginning. Grey Goose, Absolut, and all the rest of the supposed "premium" vodkas are just grain alcohol with expensive advertising. It's the ads you pay for, not the quality of the vodka.

[Fuddnik]

49. Absolute, aka "Headache in a bottle".

But, it goes good with peas.

[hifiguy]

74. I've had potato vodka, and it has a very distinctive character

which I happen to quite like. I really want to try some good soju, Korean rice vodka, sometime.

Grey Goose is awfully good, but Sobieski is so close that there's no justifying the price differential, at least IMO. Absolut is lighter fluid. Barf.

[gregcrawford]

76. See if you can find some Luksusawa in your area...

... It's the smoothest vodka I've ever tasted.

[hifiguy]

77. Well, that was easy enough.

http://www.haskells.com/Luksusowa+Potato+Vodka/details/spirits/15063504714222869

Haskell's has stores all over the Twin Cities.

[skepticscott]

69. Frankly, no one is

Vodka is 99% marketing and artificial flavors. The rest is flavorless grain alcohol.

[rhett o rick]

70. That's what I've heard. I like my vodka cold and that usually neutralizes taste anyway.

I don't like my beer too cold because I like to taste it. Favorite is IPA.

[hifiguy]

75. IPA makes the world go round.

[madfloridian]

24. No substitutes! Eat your peas!

Now.

[Enthusiast]

25. rhett o rick must have peas!

[rhett o rick]

35. May I have some more peas, plez? nm

[historylovr]

36. As long as it's field peas with snaps, no problem!

[madfloridian]

37. Cooked with ham hock.

Yummy

[historylovr]

38. Yes indeed!

[madfloridian]

40. With cornbread on the side.

[historylovr]

55. The best way to have them.

Actually that's what I had for dinner the other night.

[lark]

61. You're making my mouth water.

Love some fresh picked peas and snaps with hamhocks and Mexican corn bread on the side. That's some good eating.

[passiveporcupine]

11. If only China was a part of the TPP

But they are not.

[Art_from_Ark]

14. But Obama is considering inviting China to the TPParty

[passiveporcupine]

15. not really the point

And inviting them does not mean they want in. So far it looks like they don't.

[Art_from_Ark]

18. You sure about that?

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/will-china-join-the-trans-pacific-partnership/

[passiveporcupine]

19. No, I'm not sure of anything.

Your article was from last year, and the only thing I'm finding this year is that China is looking into trade and policy changes to make them easier to conform to our requirements, so yes, they could very well be working up to joining. And if they do, it will mean that Obama has forced them to make changes to be part of the deal, and they are afraid of not being included because this deal is a threat to them without their participation.

So it is looking like they want to join, but nothing is positive at all at this point.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/barack-obama-china-join-trade-deal-tpp-118598.html

This is actually why I think Obama has been pushing this deal. it gives us more power in our relationships with China, whether or not they are a part of it. And they have too much power over us right now.

[Art_from_Ark]

20. The deal is NOT a threat to them

They will still be selling all sorts of stuff to TPP countries, with or without the TPP itself. But by joining TPP, they could easily underbid local companies for big projects in other countries. So it would present a potentially massive untapped market to them.

[passiveporcupine]

22. OK

[kelliekat44]

66. You had to go there, didn't you.

Always wanting to use the facts.

[world wide wally]

6. Just wondering if he is from Kansas or Wisconsin

[hifiguy]

7. I don't think that kind of stupid is fixable.

Ignorance can be fixed. Deiusion cannot.

[madfloridian]

39. Good point.

It's the rightwing radio talking points they are just regurgitating.

Some group or person has the talking point that we used to need unions, but we don't need them anymore. I have had even intelligent people argue that. Someone told them that, and they are just repeating it. If you ask them why we don't need them...they have no clue.

[PatrickforO]

10. Here's a little John Steinbeck...

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

[rhett o rick]

13. Reminds me of something soooo stupid that Dipshit McConnell said. "Don't look at it as the haves and

have-nots, but as the haves and the soon to have."

This is so incredibly stupid, but I think many believe it. The whole concept of wealth is that someone has more than someone else.

[Art_from_Ark]

16. McConnell should look at his own state

which has 29 of the 100 poorest counties in the US by household median income and where the "soon-to-haves" have been waiting for generations to become "haves".

[hifiguy]

27. I read that as "McConnell should be burned at the stake."

Wishful thinking, I guess.

[Enthusiast]

26. As in, "soon to have no job".

[madfloridian]

31. "temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

Great description of so many.

[sgtbenobo]

54. I miss Paul Newman

Captain: You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right.

You gonna get used to wearin' them chains afer a while, Luke. Don't you never stop listenin' to them clinking. 'Cause they gonna remind you of what I been saying. For your own good.

Luke: Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, cap'n

[craigmatic]

17. While this is true on the surface this guy probably voted republican to cut spending on the safety

net and because he was super religious and his church told him to.

[madfloridian]

33. Ain't that the truth? They really will support cutting the safety nets...

if their churches preach it.

[DhhD]

57. And the guy's church said for him to keep his money and give it to the elders of the church instead

of the poor or needy (as Daniel, the Prophet of God, and Christ the Savior, instructed). And the guy said to his church that he would keep the money because he, the Church, and money, are the Trinity that make man complete; they are perfect like God.

[SoapBox]

21. ROFL

Oh man...that is my brother-in-law.

[orpupilofnature57]

28. They cut their nose off, to be part of the winners circle, who wouldn't piss on them if they were on

fire

[madfloridian]

32. He looks like a former neighbor...sounds like him. Knew everything about everything.

The rest of us just had to sit and listen.

[JI7]

41. more likely it's because of Guns, Abortion, Gays, BLacks , Mexicans etc

[TBF]

46. ^ This. The churches bear some responsibility

in all this as well.

[treestar]

56. Exactly

Whoever did that really missed that by a mile.

[eridani]

43. People are far more likely to vote their values than their interests

People who are getting kicked in the teeth don't want to change that because they'll never get the chance to be kickers.

[raouldukelives]

44. Yep. Corporations are destroying our democracy and all of our futures.

But I support them because I want to make sure nobody else has them either.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. Yeah and if we don't vote Democratic we could end up with Trans-Pacific version of NAFTA!

[NorthCarolina]

50. Republican base has NO IDEA that they voted

to repeal something called The "Estate Tax". The GOP wordsmiths were crafty enough to change that moniker to the evil "DEATH TAX" long ago. They knew that bubba would never get riled up over something called the "Estate" tax because bubba doesn't have an "Estate". However bubba IS gonna "DIE" someday, and he will get out and vote to repeal that "DEATH TAX" before he does!. Simple minds only require simple solutions.

[Populist_Prole]

64. Yeah, that happens a lot

Your example is a good one. Also, I notice a flood of political ads here in NC put out and paid for the COC, urging the viewer to pro-corporate views on certain legislative or economic actions. They play up what is basically "what's good for corporations is good for you" meme ( "job creators" and all ) backed by images of blue-collar workers at work with US flags almost subliminally inserted with shmaltzy music in the background as a voiceover threatens doom for US workers if said corporations don't get their way. I'm blue collar and the condescention makes me want to throw up.

Note also all the corny muck right wing groups or associations wrap themselves in, in terms of names/semantics: Heritage, freedom, patriot, enterprise and the like.

I could see many otherwise non-partisan "values voter" types being swayed by these ads because beyond their work and avocations, they have little time or interest in reading in depth of issues. A few minutes of MSM is all they can do, and the ads are forced into their entertainment medium as well.

[moondust]

51. "Don't want them libruls...

to get their hands on Uncle Joe's money before he dies and leaves it to me. Hell, that money's been in the family since the plantation days. Libruls will just take it all in taxes and give it away to them welfare queens. Once I got it I won't need no job anyways."

[IronLionZion]

52. The damn immigrants, liberals, gays, and feminists are ruining America!

So let's help out some of these efficient job creators, and maybe someday they might create some jobs here instead of China.

[pipoman]

53. Yeah, I feel the same way about voting for a more-o-the-same Democrat...

It is exactly as dumb, imho....

[tabasco]

59. So you think Republicans and Democrats are the same?

That's just plain stupidity.

[pipoman]

72. I think some Democrats are the same as some Republicans

But more to the point that there are a bunch of cheerleaders for elite, corpratist, more-of-the-same, anti-labor Democrats against their own best interests...

[malthaussen]

58. Well, I'll be a advocatus diaboli here

You need to define their "interests" before you can say they vote against them. Now, we'll grant that the class war is the most significant, but only for the purpose of disregarding it for this argument. If we stipulate that they think their interests consist in fighting over what few scraps the ruling class will throw them, then what they really want is to get the biggest piece compared to other groups, and because the Republicans support legislation that penalizes other disadvantaged groups more, they are actually aligned with poor white interests. And then there is the issue of schadenfreude, which I am convinced economic determinists consistently underrate. Anti-gay laws, for example, have little to do with economics, but much to do with the desire of one oppressed group to sneer at and persecute another. Since most democrats do not support this fetish, the only choice is the GOP.

-- Mal

[HoosierCowboy]

62. Do the math

When few people vote, any issue is a swing issue, because it only takes a tiny swing to change a result. Remember the 1% vote 99% of the time. The rest of us at about 25% if we count only registered voters. That's right! only about 12.5% of us have anything to do with the political process. So it's easy to get the slim majority you need.
No one votes against their self interest with the exception of religious and moral issues. And remember, we vote for the person first and hope the issue sticks with them.

Registering voters and getting them out to vote is the only cure for our systemic disease .

[madfloridian]

67. "No one votes against their self interest with the exception of religious and moral issues"

That is not always true. They blame the president for the economy. They blame him because they are hurting financially...

Actually the cartoon was a using some hyperbole, because they don't think things out.

Not always because of religious or moral issues. Often because they are drownng in right wing propaganda.

[B Calm]

65. Now they play golf to be rich, ask Donald!

[Cosmic Dancer]

68. I know at least a dozen guys that look like and think like this!

They just can't bring themselves to even consider voting for a democrat and they know that republicans are for the rich.

[pansypoo53219]

71. OR it enforced the STUPID to remain so!

[Uncle Joe]

73. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.