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pa28

(6,145 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:53 PM Jul 2015

Schäuble to Greeks: Raise €50 billion in privatization campaign. Deposit funds in bank I direct.

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Couldn't even make this up. German finance minister Schäuble wants the Greeks to raise 50 billion euros as collateral on debt. Rather than making direct and desperately needed re-investment in the Greek economy he wants them to deposit the money with the Luxembourg based Institute for Growth.

From the latest eurogroup proposal:

Moreover, valuable Greek assets of (EUR 50 bn) shall be transferred to an
existing external and independent fund like the Institution for Growth in
Luxembourg, to be privatized over time and decrease debt. Such fund
would be managed by the Greek authorities under the supervision of the
relevant European institutions;


http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/files/2015/07/draft-eurogroup-4pm-Copy.pdf

This is an organization controlled by German investment bank KFW. Here's the best part, KFW's chairman of the board is one Wolfgang Schäuble! How about that for a coincidence?

It seems to me that Schäuble and the Germans are making demands so deliberately egregious the Greeks couldn't possibly agree to them. They want the Greeks out of the EU and the Greek Prime Minister just isn't getting the message.
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Schäuble to Greeks: Raise €50 billion in privatization campaign. Deposit funds in bank I direct. (Original Post) pa28 Jul 2015 OP
They want to make an example out of Greece LittleBlue Jul 2015 #1
It will convey the message to other states that it's best to leave the EU while you still can... villager Jul 2015 #2
Tsipras went against the will of his people. pa28 Jul 2015 #4
If I was the- ruffburr Jul 2015 #3
The "will of the people" is to stay in the Euro. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #5
I guess I somehow misinterpreted the Greek vote then ruffburr Jul 2015 #7
Germans paid back WW II debt. former9thward Jul 2015 #18
The Germans never really endorsed the Euro as a concept closeupready Jul 2015 #6
He makes Mr. Potter of "It's a Wonderful Life" look saintly Demeter Jul 2015 #8
That's roughly a Brady bond Recursion Jul 2015 #9
Saw this on the HSBC thread ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #10
"Schäuble and the Germans" must be some new rock band DFW Jul 2015 #11
Merkel: 'If the euro falls, Europe falls' - THAT's why closeupready Jul 2015 #16
"Like." Igel Jul 2015 #12
Just a polite suggestion I'm sure. pa28 Jul 2015 #13
I would raise the money and put it in a bank he can't get at. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #14
If the fund is managed by Greek authorities (under supervision, of course)... randome Jul 2015 #15
That man looks as if he were weaned on a pickle. hifiguy Jul 2015 #17
This is the same 50 billion euros Greece promised to sell off in the first bailout. FLPanhandle Jul 2015 #19
Translation: steal from the poor and give to the banks--or else! meow2u3 Jul 2015 #20
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
1. They want to make an example out of Greece
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jul 2015

Germany is deliberately poisoning negotiations. The troika will inflict so much misery on Greece that no other state will dare defy them again.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. It will convey the message to other states that it's best to leave the EU while you still can...
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jul 2015

Most interesting times indeed lay ahead...

pa28

(6,145 posts)
4. Tsipras went against the will of his people.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

They knew what they were getting into by voting "no" and they did it overwhelmingly. They must be very disappointed in their leadership.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
3. If I was the-
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jul 2015

Greek president or whatever his title is ,I would follow the will of the people and tell the eurozone to ,Pound Sand, bring back the national currency hunker down for the long haul while developing plans to bring in funds through Greek goods and tourism to begin with. But that is just me and I'm no expert, But letting the Germans who already owe repayment from WW2 run roughshod over the Greek people is really not an acceptable action. To my way of thinking.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. The "will of the people" is to stay in the Euro.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:18 PM
Jul 2015

75% of Greeks want to keep the Euro. So saying "follow the will of the people and bring back the national currency" makes no sense.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. The Germans never really endorsed the Euro as a concept
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jul 2015

devised as a means of bringing an end to the endless warring that went on in Europe for centuries - ironically, much of that precipitated by German hostilities towards its neighbors.

They will ultimately rue the day Greece leaves, if that happens, and Schauble, in part, will be to blame.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
8. He makes Mr. Potter of "It's a Wonderful Life" look saintly
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

The man is the embodiment of banksters and crooked evil political hacks.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. That's roughly a Brady bond
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jul 2015

If I'm reading that right, Schäuble thinks a Grexit is about to happen and wants to set up something like a Brady bond: hard currency is held in escrow to be used as collateral to secure drachma-denominated loans.

DFW

(54,420 posts)
11. "Schäuble and the Germans" must be some new rock band
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jul 2015

There certainly isn't any such massive consensus in Germany or even within the CDU. Merkel is a solid Unionist, and is having trouble keeping Schäuble's hard line at bay. And leaving the Euro does NOT mean leaving the EU. Why so many Americans think the two are linked like Siamese twins is beyond me. The Greeks were in the EU before they joined the Euro. They can be in it if they leave the Euro.

And Germany does have this crazy law where politicians can be on the oversight boards of corporations while actively serving in Parliament. It boggles the mind for those of us who think conflict of interest is more than a theoretical nuisance. But then Germany does not have universal health care, either. There are a lot of myths being spread about Germany, it seems, and it appears it is a paradise due to free college tuition, except not automatically for non-residents, or hell on earth, if you believe those who sport posters of Merkel with a Hitler mustache. Just like the Teabagger idiot who did it with Obama's photo at a town hall meeting with Barney Frank.

People who parade around with photos of Obama in a Hitler mustache are to be taken as seriously, as Barney Frank put it, as a dining room table. People who agree with those who do the same with Merkel's photo belong in the same category, thinks this German resident. It's a country with its internal disagreements and differing points of view, just like any other. They don't go around shooting each other at family planning clinics, permitting every maniac that wants one to have a firearm, or trying to remove voting privileges for their own citizens--and no German citizen needs to starve. So, while all is not perfect there, we are hardly the ones to be pointing fingers. As Germany has no territorial claims whatsoever on Greece, and knows full well that the money they have "lent" the Greeks will never be seen again, the Greeks hardly have reason to hope for a lot of sympathy from the German taxpayers who are footing their bill.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. If the fund is managed by Greek authorities (under supervision, of course)...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

...then won't Greece benefit in some way?
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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
19. This is the same 50 billion euros Greece promised to sell off in the first bailout.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jul 2015

The Greeks got the money and didn't sell anything.

Greece then promised to do sell of 50 Billion in assets in the second bailout, then sold all of 3 billion.

Now, Greece anties up the same promise for the third bailout.

When the EU talks about "lack of trust", this is a key example. Greece hasn't followed through on many of it's promises from the prior bailouts.

If I was lending money to Greece, I'd want some control so that this time they had to follow through with their promises.

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