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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/21/3682921/father-sued-keep-adult-daughters-getting-birth-control-wins-key-court-fight/Wieland v. Department of Health and Human Services seeks to expand the Supreme Courts decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which allowed many private businesses to ignore federal rules requiring them to include birth control in their employees health plans if the business owners object to contraception on religious grounds. The Wielands claim that a similar rule should apply in their case. Because they claim that they cannot provide, fund or in any way be a participant in the provision of health care coverage that includes birth control without violating their sincerely-held religious beliefs, they argue that they should be given a special health plan that does not include contraceptive care.
On the surface, this argument has some appeal at least if one accepts the legitimacy of Hobby Lobby. The Wielands are helped by the fact that Missouri did offer the special contraception-free plan they seek until 2013, when a court order instructed the state to stop offering this plan in order to comply with the Affordable Care Act. They can also point to Hobby Lobby itself, which established that religious objectors may wield those objections to diminish the rights of third parties. According to the Wielands attorney, the couple stand[s] in the same shoes as Hobby Lobby, and Hobby Lobbys employees are to Hobby Lobby what the daughters are to Paul and Teresa Wieland.
Hobby Lobby, however, rested on the Courts conclusion that the federal birth control rules at issue in that case did not use the least restrictive means of furthering the governments interest in protecting womens health. As the Justice Department explained in its arguments in Wieland, its not at all clear that the same thing is true in this case.
Tell me again how Hobby Lobby wasn't going to open a Pandora's box filled with this crap?
elleng
(131,106 posts)means NOTHING about the merits.
London Lover Man
(371 posts)and I know he has some contributions... I bet some of them are illegally funnelled to the court case.
HL should be reclassified as a religious business and lose all federal protections and pay through the nose in taxes.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Why did you think it didn't?
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I am hopeful that the court will reach the correct ruling
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I just can't even put words to it.
Warpy
(111,339 posts)That's one daddy I think I'd cut ties with. After all, being out of the will is no big deal since he's going to spend himself into poverty even with fundy churches contributing to his legal bills. The only thing to lose would be the aggravation of putting up with a religious patriarch who doesn't realize Lincoln freed everybody.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)I don't see any connection between birth control - especially the pill - and morals.
How does this asshole know that his daughters' docs haven't advised birth control pills for regulating their plumbing? Is he intimately involved with their plumbing? Shit... do I really want to know the answer to that last question..?... those people are weird.
And I think girls/women who like sex and want birth control can be very moral. If they hate war and poverty and injustice and evil and Republicans... well, they could screw anybody/everybody on earth and be saints as far as I'm concerned.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Warpy
(111,339 posts)Contraception absolves women of the consequences of fucking so that they can actually relax and enjoy it and that is horribly threatening and horribly sinful to these men. The very fact that his daughters would have contraception supplied as part of their routine health care appalls him because he knows they'd go right out and start fucking and he finds that horribly threatening and sinful. He MUST be in total control of their vaginas at all times because they won't ever be able to exert any control of their own without the threat of enforced pregnancy and childbirth and RELIGIOUS SHAME hanging over them.
Get it?
It's why these freaks didn't want the HPV approved, they thought little girls who didn't have to worry about one form of cancer would go out and start fucking right away because fear of cancer was the only thing keeping them pure and virginal.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)I was raised an Irish Catholic.
I'm an American now, though.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And why she uses it.
The difference between me and that other father, of course, is because when she was fifteen and I couldn't talk to her about because I was uptight, I took her to Planned Parenthhod so that THEY could explain it all to her properly, and then help her make the choice that was right for her.
And because of that, she still talks to me, and it's nice talking to her like was a grown up (which she is) and not a doll or my personal property.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)oh wait, we did
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and on his health care?
If so, they should move out immediately.
If this idiot does not want to use birth control himself, no one is forcing him to do it.
What anyone else does is none of his business. Nor should it be of Hobby Lobby, and the decision in that case was a real travesty.
I long ago stopped shopping there when I became aware it was a company owned by people who want to inflict their religion on others, long before the whole health care thing came up. I'm sure my no longer shopping there has had absolutely no impact on their bottom line, but it feels good anyway.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)but it would be nice of the grown daughters would tell dad to mind his own business.
AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)Dad of the year nominee right there!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The (subersive) Roman Catholic Church wants to ban contraception, along with many born again nuts.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/1239/the_watershed_issue_for_catholics_is_not_abortion_but_contraception.aspx
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Unless they want to be brood mares in the name of religion.