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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:46 PM Jul 2015

Father Who Sued To Keep His Adult Daughters From Getting Birth Control Wins Key Court Fight

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/21/3682921/father-sued-keep-adult-daughters-getting-birth-control-wins-key-court-fight/

Missouri state Rep. Paul Joseph Wieland (R) does not want his daughters’ health plan to cover birth control — even though two of those daughters are adults. So he and his wife sued the Obama administration. Though this lawsuit was rejected on jurisdictional grounds by a federal trial court, a panel of three appellate judges reinstated the suit on Monday. Should the Wielands ultimately prevail in their effort to deny birth control coverage to their daughters, the decision could have implications far beyond the Wieland family, potentially forcing insurance companies to maintain elaborate records to track many of their customers’ views on religion and sexual morality.

Wieland v. Department of Health and Human Services seeks to expand the Supreme Court’s decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which allowed many private businesses to ignore federal rules requiring them to include birth control in their employee’s health plans if the business’ owners object to contraception on religious grounds. The Wielands claim that a similar rule should apply in their case. Because they claim that they “cannot provide, fund or in any way be a participant in the provision of health care coverage” that includes birth control “without violating their sincerely-held religious beliefs,” they argue that they should be given a special health plan that does not include contraceptive care.

On the surface, this argument has some appeal — at least if one accepts the legitimacy of Hobby Lobby. The Wielands are helped by the fact that Missouri did offer the special contraception-free plan they seek until 2013, when a court order instructed the state to stop offering this plan in order to comply with the Affordable Care Act. They can also point to Hobby Lobby itself, which established that religious objectors may wield those objections to diminish the rights of third parties. According to the Wielands’ attorney, the couple “stand[s] in the same shoes” as Hobby Lobby, and Hobby Lobby’s “employees are to Hobby Lobby what the daughters are to Paul and Teresa Wieland.”

Hobby Lobby, however, rested on the Court’s conclusion that the federal birth control rules at issue in that case did not use the “least restrictive means” of furthering the government’s interest in protecting women’s health. As the Justice Department explained in its arguments in Wieland, it’s not at all clear that the same thing is true in this case.


Tell me again how Hobby Lobby wasn't going to open a Pandora's box filled with this crap?
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Father Who Sued To Keep His Adult Daughters From Getting Birth Control Wins Key Court Fight (Original Post) KamaAina Jul 2015 OP
'on jurisdictional grounds,' IMPORTANT, elleng Jul 2015 #1
I hope the lawsuit has cost him millions of dollars in personal funds London Lover Man Jul 2015 #2
Hobby Lobby does pay taxes just like any other business. former9thward Jul 2015 #12
This was a jurisdictional ruling and not a ruling on the merits Gothmog Jul 2015 #3
This kind of thing makes me so angy. gollygee Jul 2015 #4
He must have a very poor opinion of his daughters' morals. Warpy Jul 2015 #5
One thing.... Bigmack Jul 2015 #7
Exactly. I wonder if they had "Purity ceremonies"? CA-REEEEEEPY. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #8
The connection is this: Warpy Jul 2015 #9
Oh.. yeah, I know about that... Bigmack Jul 2015 #10
To be fair, I know what my adult daughter's birth control is Nevernose Jul 2015 #17
Who could have ever predicted...? riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #6
This is just stupid shit. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #11
My first question is, are the adult daughters still living at home SheilaT Jul 2015 #13
IMO, I think children can stay on parents health plan until 26yrs of age. CK_John Jul 2015 #15
I know, SheilaT Jul 2015 #19
I bet he wouldn't buy them tampons either AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #14
What The Fuck. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #16
Griswold is the target here. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #18
The adult children should purchase their own health insurance. Vinca Jul 2015 #20
 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
2. I hope the lawsuit has cost him millions of dollars in personal funds
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jul 2015

and I know he has some contributions... I bet some of them are illegally funnelled to the court case.

HL should be reclassified as a religious business and lose all federal protections and pay through the nose in taxes.

Gothmog

(145,554 posts)
3. This was a jurisdictional ruling and not a ruling on the merits
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

I am hopeful that the court will reach the correct ruling

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
5. He must have a very poor opinion of his daughters' morals.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jul 2015

That's one daddy I think I'd cut ties with. After all, being out of the will is no big deal since he's going to spend himself into poverty even with fundy churches contributing to his legal bills. The only thing to lose would be the aggravation of putting up with a religious patriarch who doesn't realize Lincoln freed everybody.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
7. One thing....
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

I don't see any connection between birth control - especially the pill - and morals.

How does this asshole know that his daughters' docs haven't advised birth control pills for regulating their plumbing? Is he intimately involved with their plumbing? Shit... do I really want to know the answer to that last question..?... those people are weird.

And I think girls/women who like sex and want birth control can be very moral. If they hate war and poverty and injustice and evil and Republicans... well, they could screw anybody/everybody on earth and be saints as far as I'm concerned.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
9. The connection is this:
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

Contraception absolves women of the consequences of fucking so that they can actually relax and enjoy it and that is horribly threatening and horribly sinful to these men. The very fact that his daughters would have contraception supplied as part of their routine health care appalls him because he knows they'd go right out and start fucking and he finds that horribly threatening and sinful. He MUST be in total control of their vaginas at all times because they won't ever be able to exert any control of their own without the threat of enforced pregnancy and childbirth and RELIGIOUS SHAME hanging over them.

Get it?

It's why these freaks didn't want the HPV approved, they thought little girls who didn't have to worry about one form of cancer would go out and start fucking right away because fear of cancer was the only thing keeping them pure and virginal.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
10. Oh.. yeah, I know about that...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

I was raised an Irish Catholic.

I'm an American now, though.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
17. To be fair, I know what my adult daughter's birth control is
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jul 2015

And why she uses it.

The difference between me and that other father, of course, is because when she was fifteen and I couldn't talk to her about because I was uptight, I took her to Planned Parenthhod so that THEY could explain it all to her properly, and then help her make the choice that was right for her.

And because of that, she still talks to me, and it's nice talking to her like was a grown up (which she is) and not a doll or my personal property.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. My first question is, are the adult daughters still living at home
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jul 2015

and on his health care?

If so, they should move out immediately.

If this idiot does not want to use birth control himself, no one is forcing him to do it.

What anyone else does is none of his business. Nor should it be of Hobby Lobby, and the decision in that case was a real travesty.

I long ago stopped shopping there when I became aware it was a company owned by people who want to inflict their religion on others, long before the whole health care thing came up. I'm sure my no longer shopping there has had absolutely no impact on their bottom line, but it feels good anyway.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
20. The adult children should purchase their own health insurance.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:08 AM
Jul 2015

Unless they want to be brood mares in the name of religion.

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