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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere is the info on the man who killed Cecil, the lion in Kenya.
"Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota, is believed to have paid £35,000 to shoot and kill the much-loved lion with a bow and arrow. The animal was shot on July 1 in Hwange National Park. Two independent sources have confirmed the hunter's identity to the paper, which has also seen a copy of the relevant hunting permit."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html?fb_ref=Default
I hope his life is hell!!!
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Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)His life will be hell.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)I hope it get so bad for him that he tops himself. He's a scumbag.
erronis
(15,241 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Looks like his website is down as well....
Hopefully this fucker goes out of business...
newfie11
(8,159 posts)This jerk is killing polar bears, rhinos, etc.
The picture of him shirtless holding up a dead big cat he killed was beyond disgusting.
He just enjoys killing
2naSalit
(86,540 posts)used on the borders of Yellowstone NP by wolf "hunters". Wolves are curious and will investigate distress howls, so the "hunters" will hang out with loud speakers just outside the border of the park, lure wolves outside the boundary and shoot them when they cross the line. Hunters my ass, wildlife murderers is what they are. The thrill of killing is all they are into. I would only consider "hunting" valid if the wildlife were allowed to strike back and kill some humans who are trying to kill them... and actually succeed more often than not.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)For his dental practice, he poses as a nature lover and photographer.
Hope he faces the full effects of his actions. Same for the scum Safari Big Game hunting businesses he patronizes.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)That's how some like "Nugent Bear hunt business" works..
They put out dead animals to attract bears. They even use horses, they buy a cheap auction horse for $10 dollars or snap-up some kids pet pony free off craigs list. Take it to their woods and shoot it, kill the horse in their bear hunting woods. Those dead animals attract bears from miles around.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)but they would have to put the wolf in a cage, and let him out 10' in front of Cheney.
The ONLY thing worse than what this guy did is "hunting" caged animals.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I can understand that it might be legal to kill lions that wander outside of the protected area to safeguard those living outside. But any protected lion that wanders outside should NOT be eligible to have 'trophies' taken from it. The entire carcass should be required to be returned to the park.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,833 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I'd also say that killing should be a last resort - if it's at all possible, send the lion back to the protected area
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And I agree with the folks who say they should both be considered poachers and treated as such.
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olddots
(10,237 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)spanone
(135,823 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you pos. this vile practice of trophy killing (it is not hunting), a reprehensible and sadistic pastime of people with way too much money, needs to stop asap.
so at least they are consistent. the 1% ers abuse and exploit human AND nonhuman animals.
truly wretched and embarrassing representatives of the human species. shameful
Paladin
(28,252 posts)That dentist needs to see his practice disappear, for starters. Sorry excuse for a human being.
2naSalit
(86,540 posts)a waste of good air that should be put to better use by endangered species.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)It took them another 40 hours to find where the lion was and then they killed it with a rifle, Rodrigues said.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/07/28/american-dentist-accused-of-killing-beloved-zimbabwe-lion-cecil.html
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)trying not to think about how,long 40 hours is
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)that it was not a mortal wound. That this lion had just been slowed down...
Just so sad.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)Love me the Burning Spear.... Winston and gang needs to tour and play Chicago again.
cocainecowboy
(45 posts)for one Walter Palmer, an eye for an eye for killing Cecil the Lion.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)And if they find him in the country, throw him and his enablers in jail.
Can he be sued by the Government of Zimbabwe?
nruthie
(466 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)In Zimbabwe. Should be fun for him.
Auggie
(31,163 posts)mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)he would not be my dentist anymore. Probably wouldn't have been my dentist anyways if I saw all of his "trophy's" in his office.
What an asshole.
AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)But he just gained thousands of new patients.
Every tea partier within 100 miles will beg to do business with him.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)at least this week. He's either on vacation or in hiding. Or both.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,036 posts)Because someone who disagrees with you politically condones poaching? You think real sportsmen/women admire trophy hunters?
You are wrong.
The majority of people who hunt have little use for trophy hunters, and stay as far away from poachers as possible. Let me know who comes running to speak up for this dickwad ...
Do not think you will find any takers.
AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)then cap/finish them and another 20k.
Initech
(100,063 posts)And make $20,000 Zimbabwe dollars (which are worth about .005 US cents per dollar).
rdking647
(5,113 posts)he is just a despicable piece of shit
valerief
(53,235 posts)I'll be he votes GOP.
roody
(10,849 posts)Bachman's district.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Kline, IIRC, and he's a real shit, too.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)classof56
(5,376 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
50m
Walter Palmer, DDS won't pick up his phone, and his voice mail is full. I hope the @Telegraph got this story right telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews
PADemD
(4,482 posts)"Theo Bronkhorst, a professional hunter with Bushman Safaris, is facing criminal charges for allegedly killing a collared lion on Antoinette farm in Gwayi Conservancy, Hwange district on 1 July 2015," the statement said.
"All persons implicated in this case are due to appear in court facing poaching charges.
"Both the professional hunter and land owner had no permit or quota to justify the offtake of the lion and therefore are liable for the illegal hunt."
Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)I wish there was someway to never allow him back into the US. How could any sane person think that what he did was OK. How on earth could you convince yourself that you were a great big deal for doing something so awful.
Big game hunters are just pure trash. I hope they all just go to some hell where they just get shot over and over and over for all eternity.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)They walk among us.
MH1
(17,600 posts)even when it occurs outside US borders. If a US citizen goes to a foreign country and kills an endangered or threatened species except under very limited circumstances; and especially if it violates the law of the foreign country; they should be prosecutable under US law in addition to being eligible for extradition to the country where the crime occurred.
Something like that. I'm not holding my breath, but we need the ability to punish these fuckers in a court of law followed by prison. Maybe then it would stop. Or at least slow down.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)It even made the Kansas City Star this morning. And it was a big article. Raw Story, Drudge. Everyone is running it.
Jimmy Kimmel did a whole thing about what a scumbag this guy is.
This guy is toast. And he should be. What he did was abominable. I just wish he was stuck in Africa and they could just keep him there and he could face a trial there. His argument that he had no idea what he did was wrong, it was all the guide's fault is just pathetic. They lured that poor animal out of the park on purpose so they could kill it. Tell me he didn't know what they were doing.
Trial by the internet and he has been found guilty and shunned from society as a total scumbag.
Sometimes that trial by internet thing bothers me but not in this case. Goes right along with that Veterinarian that shot the neighbor's cat with a bow and then posted a picture of herself and the dead cat hanging from the arrow. She's done. No Vet. clinic will ever hire her again and she may lose her license. I hope she does. The State of Texas isn't bringing criminal charges against her but she is still done. Even the school she graduated from put out a statement about her.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)The outrage over this is now worldwide. Drudge is running huge headlines. This story is everywhere.
The guards in Zimbabwe are on high alert. They are watching that pride constantly and it's not all bad news. The male that is left is Jericho and he is a very mature and capable male. There is a good chance that he will be able to protect the pride and the cubs that are so at risk right now.
God Speed Jericho.
swilton
(5,069 posts)I just want to give up!
Omaha Steve
(99,584 posts)But somebody would open a go f him account.
K&R for the bad publicity.
AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)do business with him.
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Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)for the rest of his life.
darbus
(20 posts)that this is his stealth facebook profile.
https://www.facebook.com/people/River-Bluff-Dental/100000102854504
Unfortunately you cannot post or comment on anything.
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)That makes a LOT more sense. Mugabe will sell anything to keep that house of cards upright.
LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)This one is a White Rhino..highly endangered
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Same slimy personality, I bet. Card carrying teabagparty?
yardwork
(61,588 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)eom
dbackjon
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Until the end of his days.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)imagine having his drill in your mouth while he's fuming about the well deserved backlash
HFRN
(1,469 posts)should have stuck with Vegas, scumbag
G_j
(40,366 posts)Dental practice belonging to controversial big game hunter Walter Palmer completely locked down. All shades drawn.
glinda
(14,807 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)looks like it could be the same guy
http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/18015589.html
Posted: Tue 3:28 PM, Apr 22, 2008
Home / Headlines List / Article
Here's the information from the U.S. Attorney's Office:
Madison, Wisconsin -- Erik C. Peterson, United States Attorney for the Western District of Wisconsin, announced that Walter J. Palmer, 48, of Eden Prairie, Minn., pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Madison to making a false statement to a federal agent in connection with the hunting of a black bear in Wisconsin.
The government proffered the following evidence at the plea hearing:
The hunting of black bears in the State of Wisconsin is regulated by state law and allowed only in specific geographical areas. When a licensed hunter kills a bear, Wisconsin law requires the hunter to immediately tag the bear and transport it to a registration station located within the zone or subzone in which the bear was killed.
On September 1, 2006, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources (DNR) issued a license to Walter J. Palmer, authorizing him to hunt and kill a black bear only in Subzone A1 in northern Wisconsin. On September 30, 2006, Palmer, with the assistance of others, hunted and killed a black bear near Phillips in Price County, Wisconsin, at a location approximately 40 miles by vehicle outside of Subzone A1.
After the bear was killed, members of the hunting group noticed that Palmer's tag was for Subzone A1 and that the bear had been killed outside of that zone.
The members of the group, including Palmer, agreed that if any authorities were to ask where the bear had been killed, they would say
The Telegraph said it has two independent sources identifying Palmer as the man who killed Cecil after the lion was lured out of Hwange National Park. The newspaper added that it has seen a copy of the hunting permit.
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During a nighttime pursuit, the hunters tied a dead animal to their car to lure the lion out of a national park, said Johnny Rodrigues, chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force. The American is believed to have shot it with a crossbow, injuring the animal. The wounded lion was found 40 hours later and shot dead with a gun, Rodrigues said in the statement.
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In 2008, Palmer pleaded guilty in federal court in Wisconsin to misleading a federal agent in connection with the hunting of a black bear. Two years earlier, Palmer killed a bear near Phillips, in Price County. That location was 40 miles outside where bear hunting was allowed at the time.
Palmer and others transported the bear carcass to a registration station inside the allowed hunting zone. At the station, he falsely certified that the bear had been killed in the legal zone. He then brought the bear to Minnesota.
http://www.startribune.com/zimbabwe-2-to-appear-in-court-for-killing-cecil-the-lion/318828251/
Tossing him into a lion's den would be a fitting ending to this story.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Number9Dream
(1,561 posts)Charge him as the poacher he is... baiting the poor lion out of the park. POS!
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)person. I hope he goes out of business.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Legal 'Trophy heads' are sold in high end cash only auctions, in America all the time.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)People pay thousands of dollars to go sit in an air conditioned blind and kill animals that come to feeding stations to eat.
Its big business there. It's regulated by the state but that surely doesn't make it right.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)and yes the wealthy pay $50,000 and a lot more to shoot trophy wildlife in Africa.
Wealthy have resorts, huge breeding farms in Africa for 'canned hunts' complete with head/skins sent back home is legal.
Legal to bring back to USA even with endangered captive bred like rhino horns.
Then in America the trophy horns can be sold at auctions for a lot more then the canned hunt in Africa.
Even the wealthy braggers have said, they 'pay' a village to kill nuisance elephants.
Poachers like this lion killer, pay to kill too. This man just got caught but what will Africa do? ask for him to pay a fine?
shameful and unacceptable...
HFRN
(1,469 posts)I hope he's hearing that 25 years from now
HFRN
(1,469 posts)The female lions do the hunting. This animal was Snagglepuss. The impalas of the Serengeti cared as much about this lion as they cared about the latest box score of the New York Mets.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)and if this lion were truly a snagglepuss, why didn't he exit, stage left, even?
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)Impalas are generally the prey of Cheetahs....Lions hunt zebras, wildabeast, buffalo (if they can).
HFRN
(1,469 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Forget the law. He has people all over the world pissed off.
It only takes one crazy and there are a lot of them out there.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)And he'll understand how all the tormented animals he hunted felt. I hope that his practice is ruined and he loses all his posessions... however I don't wish physical harm upon him.
Charles de Gaudless
(102 posts)I wouldn't object one iota if someone in Minnesota applied a Second Amendment solution to this cocksucker!!!
Coventina
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Vinca
(50,267 posts)for the sole purpose of putting its head on the wall. Every time I encounter a piece of taxidermy (I'm an antique dealer) I almost become physically ill. The thought of that majestic lion having his life ended by an American asshole is almost too much to bear. I hope they throw the book at the fool and I hope every patient leaves his practice.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)absolute fucking cowards
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)I refuse to refer to him as "doctor."
Mr. Palmer is on the run now. His dental practice is in ruins, his family and his shameful ass are in hiding. Life, as he has known it, is over. Fucking deal with it, Walter.
The news from Huffington Post includes a quote where he claims that his kill was "legal." Well, that really doesn't hold up to scrutiny, does it?
So here are your options:
1. Move to some remote corner of the earth and try to establish a dental practice that will support your family. Good luck there.
2. Surrender to the authorities and accept your fate. If you're lucky, you'll get to serve out a prison sentence in a third-world country. Hope your immunizations (TB, Hepatitis (all strains), HPV) are up to date.
3. Do the honorable thing and just throw yourself off a cliff, or into a large body of water where the crustaceans can feed off of your flesh just as you profited off of other creatures. Please do not throw yourself in front of a train or otherwise inconvenience the rest of humanity. You've done quite enough of that.
4. Join the list of Republican candidates for the 2016 presidential race. What the hell? You actually make James Ellis BUSH and Trumpy-Dump look almost clean. Almost.
Burn in hell!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)evil pos.
DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)Posts tagged with #CecilTheLion
I love the picture of stuffed lions that people are putting outside of this asshole's soon-to-be-former dental office. Also the couple "hunting" dentists with squirt guns, throwing stuffed lions at this scumbag's house as bait.
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)What a psychotic asshole.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)think about how long ago that was. that is how long this lion suffered with an arrow in him. this is not hunting. this pay for slaughter has to stop. at the very least, this guy needs to go bankrupt and be given heavy fines. hope he ends up on the streets.
and just my opinion, but anyone who can afford 50k for the pleasure of slaughtering an innocent creature has too much money
go bernie
avebury
(10,952 posts)Palmer, 55, who pleaded guilty to a license violation after shooting a black bear in Wisconsin in 2008,
Guilty plea in Wisconsin
The incident is not Palmers first brush with authorities.
In 2008, he pleaded guilty in federal court in Wisconsin to misleading a federal agent in connection with the hunting of a black bear. Two years earlier, Palmer killed a bear near Phillips, in Price County. That location was 40 miles outside of the zone where he held a permit to hunt bear. Palmer and others transported the bear carcass to a registration station inside the allowed hunting zone, according to court documents, and at the station, he falsely certified that the bear had been killed in the legal zone.
Facing a maximum penalty of five years in prison, Palmer was sentenced to one years probation and fined nearly $3,000.
In the spring of 2003, Palmer also was convicted in Otter Tail County in western Minnesota and paid a small fine for fishing without a license, a misdemeanor.
And in 2009, Palmer agreed to a settlement with the Minnesota Board of Dentistry over allegations that he sexually harassed a receptionist. She alleged that Palmer made comments about her breasts, buttocks and genitalia.
Without admitting guilt, Palmer settled and paid $127,500 to the woman, who also was his patient. The settlement included references to his bear-hunting conviction and substandard record keeping.
I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.
(What was he blind not to have noticed the collar?)
Walter J. Palmer of Eden Prairie, a practicing dentist in Bloomington and a prominent bow-and-arrow hunter, issued a statement addressing the killing on July 1 of Cecil, a lion that was a favorite among tourists and wildlife researchers
Considering they said that he lion suffered for 40 hours before Palmer managed to kill him, Palmer flat out tortured that poor animal. How can he claim to be a knowledgable big game hunter and be clueless that killing this beautiful animal would also result in the death of his cubs by the new dominent lion.
I hope that people boycott his practice and drive him into bankruptcy. He is a vile dispicable person.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I wish someone would shoot him up with arrows and leave him writhe in agony for days.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)good advice for all hunter cowards
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)malaise
(268,933 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)This kind of hunting needs to be illegal. The time for it is long past.
Kennah
(14,256 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)Everyone who works there needs to start looking for another job. Palmer needs to turn himself in and go face the music in Zimbabwe. I feel bad for his kids. His wife must have known what a shitstain he is (this was his 43rd!! kill) so I'm having trouble feeling sorry for her.
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)Not that I mind it if the general public thinks it is real.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I barely speak Twitter so not surprising I didn't figure it out.
Kennah
(14,256 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)He's toast
Who'd want to be seen going into his office?
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)Fig Newt?
You can't mean Newt Gingrich?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)animals so that they are an easy kill. He had two other people lure the lion out of a safe haven probably with food and then shot the lion. He was not hunting - he was using a lion for target practice.
He is now trying to tell us that he did not know the animal was from a game preserve or that it was collared. If he was close enough to use a bow and arrow he was close enough to see the collar. As to not knowing about the game preserve? I am assuming he was not just wondering around in the wilds of Africa without a map? They can add liar to the sign on his door.
The sign on his door says he is a coward and a killer. A very poor excuse for a man. The sign is correct.