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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"The best way to ensure Iran doesn't build a fucking bomb."
OMG you have to watch this:
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)But that won't fund the MIC.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)By easing tensions with Cuba and now Iran, President Obama is recklessly squandering Americas precious supply of enemies, the leader of a conservative think tank said on Tuesday.
Our adversarial relationships with Cuba and Iran took years of frostiness and saber-rattling to maintain, Harland Dorrinson, the executive director of the Washington-based Institute for Infinite Conflict, said. Thanks to the President, decades of well-crafted hostility have been thrown out the window.
According to Dorrinson, fears abound in conservative circles that the President might be capriciously casting about for other powder kegs to defuse during his remaining time in office.
If his shameful record is any guide, hell probably try to disarm North Korea, Dorrinson said. Thats the doomsday scenario.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and has been for some time now.
I can see Abe Simpson, err, John McCain, actually saying this. Or any other putz in the Repuke party for that matter.
madokie
(51,076 posts)erronis
(15,219 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)a failure to find common ground for the good of every one involved
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thank you, hootinholler!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)This treaty will do nothing to stop them.
There is no dismantlement of where Iran's nuclear program is to this point.
There are no anytime/anywhere right-now-this-very-second inspections.
There are no curbs on Iran's ballistic missile program.
There is no maintenance of the arms embargo.
There is no halt to Iran's sponsorship of terror.
10 years. They'll have one. No doubt.
libodem
(19,288 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,985 posts)10 years instead of 3. And that's a bad thing?
BKH70041
(961 posts)Truth is this treaty has no teeth It's a modern day "Peace in our time."
Iran will get a nuke.
Maybe then baby Bibi and McLame will stop trying to start a war with them like what happened with north korea once they got nuclear capability
BKH70041
(961 posts)An Iran with a nuke.
Must be that 20th billion level chess game he's playing again. Boy, he's really getting them, isn't he?
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)and then promptly attack other countries with it, is essentially racist, in my opinion, with absolutely no foundation on logic or the historical record. There is no reason to believe that Iran will, unprovoked, attack other countries.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Wait... you mean they're not? Has my tv been lying to me all this time?
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)however, about their harmful, self-serving policies in the Middle East, if there was a nuclear deterrent, there.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)No country is going to use a nuke. Not even iran. North korea hasn't used theirs. Neither has india or Pakistan over the kashmir. During the cold war, there were several incidents where the Russians thought they had spotted incoming missles. Even then they did not launch a retalitory strike. The policy of mutually assured destruction is very effective.
PFunk
(876 posts)Or they could be like Japan and have the capability of quickly producing one.
Either way this treaty as is will decrease the possibility of war with Iran and will help bring it in line with other nations.
Remember China.
Things are still not perfect between us and them. But relations improved greatly once we quit saber rattling and started working with them. I consider this doing the same despite the faults. Because the alternative leads to a much worse path that no American (or anyone else sane) wants.
6chars
(3,967 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)More likey. Your statement is opinion, not fact, which makes the use of the word certain a little perposterous.
The choice at the moment is to join with the rest of the world in accepting this outstanding piece of diplomacy OR to return to the pre interim agreement point where Netanyahu himself -with his stupid cartoon -proclaimed that Iran could get a bomb in 3 months.
In fact, the situation will be worse - the rest of the world will abandon their sanctions and it is possible for Iran to also reject the deal - ending the monitoring.
So, ask why the right and Israeli media pushed back saying it was unseemly to argue that rejecting the deal made war more likely. My best guess is that no one wants another war and the deal genuinely makes it less likely. These may not be cute words, but they are true.
Not to mention, your arguments seem straight from Netanyahu. Me, I will believe John Kerry, an honest man and statesman .
ProfessorGAC
(64,985 posts)You do realize that nuclear weapons are 70 years old right? It took the US only 4.5 years to build 3 bombs back when nobody actually knew how to build one. Just the theory.
You can't undo.
Predicting they'll have a bomb in 10 years shows all the acument of predicting one will get wet in the rain.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Their record over the last few hundred years or so of not waging aggressive war beats the hell out of ours.
6chars
(3,967 posts)if we just give them our nukes!
eridani
(51,907 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Scientists and the leaders of the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany and the European Union disagree with your "expert" analysis. LOLOL!!
Please keep us updated with all the talking points from the screeching heads. Thanks! LOLOL!!!
DhhD
(4,695 posts)4lbs
(6,854 posts)prevent a war between Pakistan and India, while he and his Secretary of State boss are frequently stymied by a Bible-thumping ambassador and a hawkish Secretary of Defense.
HickFromTheTick
(56 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)How many inspectors are assigned to checking Israel's bombs or capabilities?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)While Israel has nukes, like the other current nuclear powers but unlike Iran, there is no serious risk of it using them or supplying them to second parties to use.
Even with Iran, it's not that big a deal - the risk of Iran doing that, while greater than for any existing nuclear state, is not too large. The main reason not to want Iran to have nuclear weapons is that it is a massive state sponsor of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism in other countries, and having nuclear weapons would increase its diplomatic clout.
HickFromTheTick
(56 posts)They are not signatories to any nuclear treaties nor are they subject to any inspections. Israel does not do transparency. Nor should they have to. God gave them the land.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I've seen the vid before, bravo to all who kick it forward.