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"The best way to ensure Iran doesn't build a fucking bomb." (Original Post) hootinholler Jul 2015 OP
I'd say "work so that they don't feel they need one." [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #1
^^^This^^^ -none Jul 2015 #2
We cannot waste our precious resources... Maedhros Jul 2015 #4
Borowitz is indistinguishable from the "real" news hifiguy Aug 2015 #32
The next one is even more awesome madokie Jul 2015 #3
Incredibly powerful. Forwarding as far as I can. erronis Jul 2015 #5
War is an admission of failure madokie Jul 2015 #8
Real Peacemakers. Octafish Jul 2015 #6
That is fucking EXCELLENT. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #7
End global warming, stop war! SUPPORT PEACE! HEAL THE WORLD! Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #9
Iran will have a nuke in the next 10 years. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #10
Whatever libodem Jul 2015 #11
Sacrificing Good On The Altar Of The Perfect ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #13
Cute words but they have no meaning. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #14
Good! lancer78 Jul 2015 #15
Yeah, that's what the world needs. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #16
The belief that Iran will build a nuclear weapon ronnie624 Jul 2015 #20
We all know every Iranian citizen is a suicidal maniac obsessed w/martyrdom arcane1 Jul 2015 #26
Certain powerful countries might think twice, ronnie624 Aug 2015 #27
calm down lancer78 Jul 2015 #21
With this treaty Iran will still probally get a nuke. PFunk Jul 2015 #22
this is the basic idea of it 6chars Aug 2015 #34
without a treaty, Iran getting a bomb is more likely and war is karynnj Jul 2015 #17
Cute Words But They Have No Meaning ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #18
So what? eridani Aug 2015 #28
maybe it would be safer 6chars Aug 2015 #35
Probably. Their non-aggression record is far better than ours n/t eridani Aug 2015 #36
LOL! Which time slot on Fox News do you have? tabasco Aug 2015 #33
Time to hear from the Scientific Community, Verbally and Orally. Where are they? DhhD Jul 2015 #12
Interestingly, in HBO's new show "The Brink", Jack Black plays a foreign liason who is trying to 4lbs Jul 2015 #19
Way more frightened of Israeli false flag with nuke than of Iran. n/t HickFromTheTick Jul 2015 #23
How do we ensure that Israel doesn't build more bombs...or use them? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #24
To the using part: Easy - do nothing. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2015 #30
Israel is the nuke rogue in all of this. HickFromTheTick Jul 2015 #25
Both are great actors and human beings, imo. saidsimplesimon Aug 2015 #29
:-) underpants Aug 2015 #31
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
4. We cannot waste our precious resources...
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-squandering-americas-precious-supply-of-enemies

By easing tensions with Cuba and now Iran, President Obama is “recklessly squandering America’s precious supply of enemies,” the leader of a conservative think tank said on Tuesday.

“Our adversarial relationships with Cuba and Iran took years of frostiness and saber-rattling to maintain,” Harland Dorrinson, the executive director of the Washington-based Institute for Infinite Conflict, said. “Thanks to the President, decades of well-crafted hostility have been thrown out the window.”

According to Dorrinson, fears abound in conservative circles that the President might be “capriciously casting about for other powder kegs to defuse” during his remaining time in office.

“If his shameful record is any guide, he’ll probably try to disarm North Korea,” Dorrinson said. “That’s the doomsday scenario.”
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
32. Borowitz is indistinguishable from the "real" news
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:33 PM
Aug 2015

and has been for some time now.

I can see Abe Simpson, err, John McCain, actually saying this. Or any other putz in the Repuke party for that matter.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
8. War is an admission of failure
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jul 2015

a failure to find common ground for the good of every one involved

BKH70041

(961 posts)
10. Iran will have a nuke in the next 10 years.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015

This treaty will do nothing to stop them.

There is no dismantlement of where Iran's nuclear program is to this point.

There are no anytime/anywhere right-now-this-very-second inspections.

There are no curbs on Iran's ballistic missile program.

There is no maintenance of the arms embargo.

There is no halt to Iran's sponsorship of terror.

10 years. They'll have one. No doubt.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
14. Cute words but they have no meaning.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jul 2015

Truth is this treaty has no teeth It's a modern day "Peace in our time."

Iran will get a nuke.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
15. Good!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jul 2015

Maybe then baby Bibi and McLame will stop trying to start a war with them like what happened with north korea once they got nuclear capability

BKH70041

(961 posts)
16. Yeah, that's what the world needs.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jul 2015

An Iran with a nuke.

Must be that 20th billion level chess game he's playing again. Boy, he's really getting them, isn't he?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
20. The belief that Iran will build a nuclear weapon
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jul 2015

and then promptly attack other countries with it, is essentially racist, in my opinion, with absolutely no foundation on logic or the historical record. There is no reason to believe that Iran will, unprovoked, attack other countries.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. We all know every Iranian citizen is a suicidal maniac obsessed w/martyrdom
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jul 2015

Wait... you mean they're not? Has my tv been lying to me all this time?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
27. Certain powerful countries might think twice,
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:57 AM
Aug 2015

however, about their harmful, self-serving policies in the Middle East, if there was a nuclear deterrent, there.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
21. calm down
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jul 2015

No country is going to use a nuke. Not even iran. North korea hasn't used theirs. Neither has india or Pakistan over the kashmir. During the cold war, there were several incidents where the Russians thought they had spotted incoming missles. Even then they did not launch a retalitory strike. The policy of mutually assured destruction is very effective.

PFunk

(876 posts)
22. With this treaty Iran will still probally get a nuke.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jul 2015

Or they could be like Japan and have the capability of quickly producing one.

Either way this treaty as is will decrease the possibility of war with Iran and will help bring it in line with other nations.

Remember China.

Things are still not perfect between us and them. But relations improved greatly once we quit saber rattling and started working with them. I consider this doing the same despite the faults. Because the alternative leads to a much worse path that no American (or anyone else sane) wants.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
17. without a treaty, Iran getting a bomb is more likely and war is
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

More likey. Your statement is opinion, not fact, which makes the use of the word certain a little perposterous.

The choice at the moment is to join with the rest of the world in accepting this outstanding piece of diplomacy OR to return to the pre interim agreement point where Netanyahu himself -with his stupid cartoon -proclaimed that Iran could get a bomb in 3 months.

In fact, the situation will be worse - the rest of the world will abandon their sanctions and it is possible for Iran to also reject the deal - ending the monitoring.

So, ask why the right and Israeli media pushed back saying it was unseemly to argue that rejecting the deal made war more likely. My best guess is that no one wants another war and the deal genuinely makes it less likely. These may not be cute words, but they are true.

Not to mention, your arguments seem straight from Netanyahu. Me, I will believe John Kerry, an honest man and statesman .

ProfessorGAC

(64,985 posts)
18. Cute Words But They Have No Meaning
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jul 2015

You do realize that nuclear weapons are 70 years old right? It took the US only 4.5 years to build 3 bombs back when nobody actually knew how to build one. Just the theory.

You can't undo.

Predicting they'll have a bomb in 10 years shows all the acument of predicting one will get wet in the rain.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
28. So what?
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:40 AM
Aug 2015

Their record over the last few hundred years or so of not waging aggressive war beats the hell out of ours.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
33. LOL! Which time slot on Fox News do you have?
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:49 PM
Aug 2015
The moron screeching heads at Fox "News" agree with you completely.

Scientists and the leaders of the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany and the European Union disagree with your "expert" analysis. LOLOL!!

Please keep us updated with all the talking points from the screeching heads. Thanks! LOLOL!!!

4lbs

(6,854 posts)
19. Interestingly, in HBO's new show "The Brink", Jack Black plays a foreign liason who is trying to
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jul 2015

prevent a war between Pakistan and India, while he and his Secretary of State boss are frequently stymied by a Bible-thumping ambassador and a hawkish Secretary of Defense.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. How do we ensure that Israel doesn't build more bombs...or use them?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jul 2015

How many inspectors are assigned to checking Israel's bombs or capabilities?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
30. To the using part: Easy - do nothing.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:07 PM
Aug 2015

While Israel has nukes, like the other current nuclear powers but unlike Iran, there is no serious risk of it using them or supplying them to second parties to use.

Even with Iran, it's not that big a deal - the risk of Iran doing that, while greater than for any existing nuclear state, is not too large. The main reason not to want Iran to have nuclear weapons is that it is a massive state sponsor of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism in other countries, and having nuclear weapons would increase its diplomatic clout.

 

HickFromTheTick

(56 posts)
25. Israel is the nuke rogue in all of this.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

They are not signatories to any nuclear treaties nor are they subject to any inspections. Israel does not do transparency. Nor should they have to. God gave them the land.

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