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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:21 PM Aug 2015

Ben Carson Has Way, Way More Small Donors Than Any Other Candidate (Including Bernie)

By Ben Mathis-Lilley

The two names atop this National Journal chart of 2016 presidential fundraising by candidate—Jeb "Jebley" Bush* and Hillary Clinton—probably won't surprise you. Both are name-brand figures who are considered somewhere from likely to certain to win their parties' nominations. The real standout factoid is further down the chart next to neurosurgeon Ben Carson's name:



What that means: Some 49,200 people have given $10,000 or less to Carson's candidate committees, super PACs, and candidate leadership committees, which is by far the largest number of small (or small-ish) donors associated with any candidate. Compare Carson, for example, with the Democrats' surgin' grassroots phenom, Bernie Sanders:



The only other candidate who even comes close to having half of Carson's small donors is Clinton, who has 23,300.

Carson's appeal to hard-core conservatives—he's an accomplished doctor but also a right-wing paranoiac who's said, for example, that prison can make you gay—was examined by GQ's Jason Zengerle earlier this year in a profile titled "What if Sarah Palin Were a Brain Surgeon?" Carson is currently running somewhere between fourth and sixth in GOP 2016 polls.

* "Jebley" is not actually Jeb Bush's nickname.

Update, 12:25 p.m.: If you're curious, as I was, how Carson's totals compare with Obama's famous small-donor base in the 2008 election, here's a New York Times article from April 2007 that says the Obama campaign claimed approximately 100,000 direct donors (i.e., those who gave directly to the campaign and thus were limited by law to individual donations well under $10,000) in the first quarter of that year alone. (The Clinton campaign said it had about 50,000 donors in that period.)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/03/ben_carson_small_donor_hero.html?
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Ben Carson Has Way, Way More Small Donors Than Any Other Candidate (Including Bernie) (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
I've been guessing from the beginning that he would end up being their nominee. pnwmom Aug 2015 #1
I don't see it. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #6
I agree with your son (not the crazy part), but that is NEVER going to happen. However, he may be... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #10
You're probably right; he may be more likely to end up as their VP candidate. pnwmom Aug 2015 #12
That chart is utter nonsense virtualobserver Aug 2015 #2
Not true at all. George II Aug 2015 #3
my mistake, but that chart said Bernie only had 5900 donors- that chart is totally bogus virtualobserver Aug 2015 #5
The article is about "small donors". n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #11
It defines Carson's small donors as people who have given $10,000 or less.... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #13
"Individual" donors is not the same as "Small" donors. There's a distinction. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #15
That article DEFINES small donors as those who have given less than $10,000 virtualobserver Aug 2015 #16
Why would it upset you that Carson has some 40k more small donors than BS? It's early days. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #17
It wouldn't upset me. It just isn't true. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #19
It is not even legal to give $10,000. former9thward Aug 2015 #18
This article is combining regular campaign contributions and SuperPAC donations virtualobserver Aug 2015 #20
CNN: "400,000 donations came from about 250,000 individual donors" George II Aug 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #7
Carson wouldn't even vote himself cause he's black SummerSnow Aug 2015 #8
Observed: Hillary Clinton has 4 times the number of "<$10,000" donors that Sanders has. brooklynite Aug 2015 #9
utter nonsense virtualobserver Aug 2015 #14
Perhaps it's partly due to Carson's religious sect MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #21

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
1. I've been guessing from the beginning that he would end up being their nominee.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:23 PM
Aug 2015

My son says I'm crazy and the party would never allow that. But I don't see the party controlling Trump, so how would they control Carson?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
6. I don't see it.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

Between the racists and those pragmatics who simply see him as not electable, he won't win.

He's been in the race since almost right after the 2012 election, so I can see why he has some cash behind him.

My white teabagger uncle supports him and had a sticker on his car as far back as spring of 2014.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
10. I agree with your son (not the crazy part), but that is NEVER going to happen. However, he may be...
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:42 PM
Aug 2015

a running mate.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
12. You're probably right; he may be more likely to end up as their VP candidate.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

But I predict he'll be somewhere on the ticket because sooner or later they'll act on their belief that the only reason President Obama got elected was because he was black.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
2. That chart is utter nonsense
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:32 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie's $15 million came from 400,000 donors and 99% were donations under $250.

*******correction 250,000 donors and 40000 donations*******

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Not true at all.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:25 PM
Aug 2015

Read the reports - Sanders had 250,000 DONORS but received 400,000 DONATIONS. Big difference, meaning there were 150,000 multiple donations from donors.

And someone could have given two $249 donations, hiding the fact that a DONOR contributed more than $250.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
5. my mistake, but that chart said Bernie only had 5900 donors- that chart is totally bogus
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:33 PM
Aug 2015

big difference between 5900 and 250,000

Bernie's 250,000 donors are five times Carson's 49.2K

The article is very poorly researched.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
13. It defines Carson's small donors as people who have given $10,000 or less....
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:52 PM
Aug 2015

to Carson's candidate committees

All 250,000 of Bernie's donors gave less than that.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
15. "Individual" donors is not the same as "Small" donors. There's a distinction.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:13 PM
Aug 2015
The only other candidate who even comes close to having half of Carson's small donors is Clinton, who has 23,300.
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
16. That article DEFINES small donors as those who have given less than $10,000
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
Aug 2015

it says that Bernie only had 5900 of those......In reality,.ALL of Bernie's 250,000 donors gave $2700 or less.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
19. It wouldn't upset me. It just isn't true.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

The math is clear. Why are you defending an article that is obviously not true?
This is a poorly researched article.

former9thward

(32,003 posts)
18. It is not even legal to give $10,000.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:37 PM
Aug 2015

ALL of everyone's donors are $2700 or less. That is the max you can give.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
20. This article is combining regular campaign contributions and SuperPAC donations
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015

so some of the donations could be more than $10,000 for some of the candidates.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
14. utter nonsense
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:57 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie's donations were to his campaign.

The max is $2700

All 250,000 of his donors had to have given less than $10,000

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
21. Perhaps it's partly due to Carson's religious sect
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:53 PM
Aug 2015

Seventh-Day Adventists. They seem to be pretty committed and insuler.

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