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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Fiorina is proud of her 61 years and every wrinkle,
Why did she have so much work done to remove them? Compare photos from her last campaign to now.
I know there are double standards and all, but she claims she is proud of her wrinkles?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I applaud her response to Trump. I certainly wouldn't attack her on that, or on assumptions made about her photos.
Then:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/08/next-gop-superstar-why-it-time-to-take-serious-look-at-carly-fiorina.html
Now:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/7/carly-fiorina-debate-showed-more-one-woman-running/
But agreed, when she's dueling Trump, it's time for popcorn.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Former HP executive Thomas Perkins is a News Corp Board director.
SFBG
http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/newscorpchart1009
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Thomas Perkins, a News Corp. director, is a Silicon Valley venture capitalist. He is a founding partner of Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers, an investment firm with stakes in Genentech, Google, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Amazon, and others. He was previously an executive at Hewlett Packard. Perkins was the fifth husband of romance novelist Danielle Steel. He owned the 287-foot Maltese Falcon -- the largest and most expensive private sailboat ever built. A partner at Perkins firm, John Gage, also serves as a director of the Markle Foundation, a private nonprofit that provides recommendations for using technology to enhance the federal governments intelligence-sharing abilities, according to a policy paper published by the foundation. Stanley Shuman, another News Corp. director, is listed as a managing director at the Markle Foundation.
SFBG
http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/newscorpchart1009
Viet Dinh is a News Corp. director and attorney who came to the United States as a boy from Vietnam. In a 2002 interview with the LA Times, Dinh, who then served as an assistant attorney general at the U.S. Department of Justice, recalled an exchange hed had with then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. He told me: The art of leadership is the redefinition of the possible, Dinh recounted. I want you to be the think tank to help me redefine the possible for the Department of Justice.
~snip~
A law professor at Georgetown, Dinh is also listed as the founder and chief of Bancroft Associates PLLC, a consulting firm that specializes in helping Fortune 500 companies navigate the federal and state criminal or civil investigations, congressional investigations and complex litigation, according to the firms Web site. It also specializes in public relations.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html
July 19 (Bloomberg) -- News Corp.s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.
Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.
Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board, Elio said in an e-mail. She declined to comment further.
Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. director, during a scandal at that company.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html
The chairman and a half dozen other top officials have resigned or been fired at Hewlett-Packard, the biggest US personal computer and printer manufacturer, amid a scandal over illegal corporate spying that has unfolded over the past month.
The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.
Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called pretexting, in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.
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The spying campaign was touched off by a series of leaks from within the Hewlett-Packard board of directors, providing details of internal disputes over corporate strategy. H-P, the biggest company in Silicon Valley, has been in considerable difficulty since its controversial acquisition of a leading manufacturer of personal computers, Compaq. CEO Carly Fiorina was forced out in 2005. She was succeeded as CEO by Mark Hurd, former CEO of NCR, and as chairwoman of the board by Dunn.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=230610#.VfjEqL6Ya0x
PALO ALTO, CA and HOUSTON, TX, September 3, 2001
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Carly Fiorina, chairman and chief executive officer of HP, will be chairman and CEO of the new HP. Michael Capellas, chairman and chief executive officer of Compaq, will be president. Capellas and four other members of Compaq's current Board of Directors will join HP's Board upon closing.
"This is a decisive move that accelerates our strategy and positions us to win by offering even greater value to our customers and partners," said Fiorina. "In addition to the clear strategic benefits of combining two highly complementary organizations and product families, we can create substantial shareowner value through significant cost structure improvements and access to new growth opportunities. At a particularly challenging time for the IT industry, this combination vaults us into a leadership role with customers and partners -- together we will shape the industry for years to come."
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Amazing, the news business gathering all those DoJ and MIC types to help drum up, uh, advertising. Seeing the Silicon Valley big wigs use Fox as an intel gathering, and counter-espionage resource also is telling.
Thank you for documenting the rightwing corruptions, Blackie. Implications go beyond Rupert and his minions or Carly and her Swiss bank account.
RussBLib
(9,044 posts)Older picture, she's got many more wrinkles around her eyes.
Newer picture, they're gone.
Obviously some plastic surgery, but you're proud of your wrinkles?
OMG, another Republican hypocrite! Shocking!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Why do women do this to themselves? They all look like they have a turnbuckle on the back of their heads and every once in a while they have to turn it and tighten themselves up...
I have a BUNCH of friends who I havent seen in a while and we met up for cocktails early this summer in the Upper East Side of NYC where most of them live. We all used to work together at a well known cultural institution except that I am a butchers kid from the Bronx and they pretty much all are from very grand families...but theyre still lovely ladies with kind hearts (lots of philanthropy going on there!) and they all have great senses of humor which was our common bond. At 50 I am slightly but not much younger than the next youngest at 54 and they range up to 66. I always think Im the comic relief because I look like a prim and proper lady and swear like a truck driver. Ill also talk to ANYONE which makes them giggle for some reason.
Not only did I not recognize them, they all looked basically like the same approximation of each other. And that takes some doing considering half of them are Jewish and the other half WASPS. Quelle surprise, they all have the same Park Avenue surgeon. And they all now look considerably older and more desperate.
My point is, I think people in a certain tax bracket (and Im seeing this more frequently with men as well, although theyre slightly older when they start the slippery slope) live in this fucking insane air-tight bubble and they dont realize how sad this looks to most of us normal people. And when youre in the public eye you have image consultants who tell you you need a lift here and an injection there because you look tired.
Sure is interesting sometimes when you live half in and half out of their atmosphere.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)What I have noted is different. First there is wrinkles, then there is not, then she says she is proud of them. Typical Republican hypocrisy, say one thing, do another.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I mean there isnt anything wrong with a little hair color, or makeup or anything else a woman choses to do including plastic surgery if she wants it. What makes me sad is that they cant seem to wrap their heads around the fact that we all age, and there is nothing to be ashamed of.
But the fucking hypocrisy of saying you love your wrinkles after obliterating them? You can have my crows feet when you pry them out of my cold wrinkley hands - I enjoyed every smile that made them
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Two of the women looked AWFUL. Their faces were distorted from the tightening of their skins. They didn't look normal at all.
One of his sisters in law did not have the surgery. Even with her aging skin (she was all of maybe 55) she looked great, natural and lovely.
I don't get it...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)The two are different things.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)face which naturally "softens" it. It is jarring to see and old face and artificially colored hair...
Egnever
(21,506 posts)When I recently saw her in an interview somewhere I thought to myself that doesn't look like Fiorina. Thought my memory was faulty lol. This explains it.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)When she says she is proud of the wrinkles she erased, my mind says bullshit. If she hadn't bragged on them, I noticed her "work" months ago.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)We should be attacking the sexist pig who made such a non-issue a headline maker.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Trump is an ass.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The most I do is shave my head because I'm balding on top and I think it preserves my youthful appearance more to just shave the whole thing, but thats about as far as I go, lol.
But you know, Trump needlessly attacked her on her appearance and from a completely objective observation outside of politics, I think she is nice looking. I doubt I'll look as nice as a 61 year old man when that time comes. And she shouldn't have to defend her damn looks to an asshole like Trump. But she was put in that position by him and the shitty media, so you know, I won't judge her for saying "I'm proud of the way I look", even if she has had some work done. What else is she gonna say right? Like every other candidate, she should have to defend her record, positions and policies which are REAL troubling things when it comes to Fiorina.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)She didnt make it an issue, and trump is an asshat.
But dont say youre proud of your wrinkles if youve botoxed and fillered them into oblivion. We can see you!!!!
Skittles
(153,226 posts)they always think no one notices either - hello, they're just not saying anything
Ex Lurker
(3,816 posts)I won't criticize anyone for having work done. If it makes them happy, more power to them.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I also pluck or trim hair, but I don't think I'll put it on my resume.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Thank God men's grooming is not judged the same as women.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I still think you are not getting the point. That Fiorina is a woman has nothing to do with it. It's not about her appearance, but her bragging about her appearance, when her actions tell a different tale. I have always hated hypocrisy.
I'm not saying they cannot have work done, but when they cannot make an expression THEY LOOK RIDICUOUS
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)pretty much everyone (men as well as women) are going to Botox themselves.
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Rude sexist crap. Who cares whether she has wrinkles or not? Seriously? We're gonna boil a candidate down to what she looks like? Rude. Sexist and ageist.
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Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)She claimed wrinkles as a virtue, but her photos are obviously anachronous. The fact that she is a woman is irrelevant. She was goaded into making a remark by a sexist statement by Trump, not an ageist statement.
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Bucky
(54,087 posts)The polar ice cap is melting, the Republicans are trying to drive us to war with Iran, wages are falling behind inflation, our infrastructure is falling apart, the Bill of Rights is being dismantled... and all you care to post about is some millionaire's cosmetic surgery?
Friend, you're acting like part of the problem.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)of which she destroyed.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And think anyone who wants to should...just own up to it.
That said, The Donald is an idiot, and quite frankly all he had to do was hammer home how awful a job she's done in the business world to make his point.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)demmiblue
(36,903 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Trump makes a sexist remark about Fiorina's current face, but she can't defend her current face?
Does this mean the work Hillary's had done and comparing her photos are fair game now, too?
Come on, now, this is bullshit.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And this is the kind of shit the women I know are reacting to.
I just wish that women (and increasingly men) would stop apologizing for their imperfections to the point where they feel compelled to alter themselves because of something as beautiful as getting older. If they REALLY want to because it makes them more confident, more beautiful have at it! If youre doing it because some asshole passed a comment about how tired you look, then you need to re-evaluate your relationship with that person and your self-esteem.
and there is a slight difference in comparing photos of other women - Carly just seems like shes being a hypocrite. The better tact to take would have been to say nothing so he looks even more buffoonish, or to just laugh and say Look at YOUR hair!.
Okay going to have my latte now!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Lexus driving liberal you.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I should start calling myself Bristy Crinkley
jonno99
(2,620 posts)"If the barn needs painting paint it!".
My addendum is: "however, if some preferred the "weathered" look, more power to them. "
If Fiona's "work" didn't take care of all of here wrinkles - so what?!
Let's PLEASE focus on the issues...
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Fiorina has a tougher row to hoe, facing stupid questions about her appearance that the men-folk aren't troubled with.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)Just by how they look.
It's not fair to men or women.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)...during that senate run she lost so miserably.