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WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:22 AM Nov 2015

Ben Carson's narrative - pure BS

It is so telling that not one of Carson's "stories" can be corroborated. Hell, stories surfaced about RMoney from his college years - 45 freakin' years before he ran for president. Yes, classmates confirmed, RMoney was a bully and an asshole. They even retold stories about RMoney harrassing a gay classmate. There was Shrub and all the stories that came out about his "youthful" indiscretions - that continued into his 40's, but that's another story. But all the stories were confirmed by others.

The fact remains, that when every presidential candidate has shared stories from their past, plenty of folks stepped forward, friends as well as those who would never call themselves a friend of the candidate, to verify the stories. Many stories originated with others, that the candidates eventually had to confirm in the face of overwhelming evidence.

With Carson, all you hear is crickets. It's just Carson making shit up. No one comes forward to verify his outrageous stories. Police records, college records, personal interviews of people around Carson back in the day - not one shred of evidence has ever been found that supports any of Carson's claims. To a person, those interviewed respond with, and I paraphrase, "That sure doesn't sound like the Ben Carson I knew". No, no it certainly doesn't. And for very good reasons.

I have no doubt that the man is a liar. He created a persona and personal narrative based on lies. He did this to build his brand, and make his "ghetto to glory" transition sound absolutely miraculous - and more marketable. It wasn't miraculous. From all accounts, he was a geeky little kid; quiet and meek as a church mouse. The sociopath behaviors he describes from his childhood, are undoubtedly pure fabrication.

The man is a sociopath for sure - no one is questioning that. The fact that this character could actually run for president as a candidate in a major American political party, is a very sad reflection on the state of American politics. It's appalling and an absolute embarrassment.

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Ben Carson's narrative - pure BS (Original Post) WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 OP
I think he's totally crazy sharp_stick Nov 2015 #1
I hope you're right - this country is an absolute laughingstock WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #2
Like they say in Texas Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #5
This is why Carson can never win in the general JimmyS1985 Nov 2015 #3
I find it offensive that he believes people are too stupid WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #4
He IS a sociopath. . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #6
Total nutjob KelleyKramer Nov 2015 #7
He is a delusional narcassist, albeit a high achieving one. dinkytron Nov 2015 #8
Delusional narcissist - is a very apt description of Carson - WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #9

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. I think he's totally crazy
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:27 AM
Nov 2015

he's built himself up to be this god like man and probably actually thinks he is. That's why he lies his ass off, it makes his own personal belief that he's this great redemption story even better so it must be true.

Fuckin' nuts and it looks like his 15 minutes at the front of the GOP clown car are coming to an end.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
2. I hope you're right - this country is an absolute laughingstock
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:30 AM
Nov 2015

with that sociopath driving the clown car.

JimmyS1985

(5 posts)
3. This is why Carson can never win in the general
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:31 AM
Nov 2015

I wrote down several voting blocs that definitely WON'T be voting for Carson in the general. Democratic strategists are going to have a field day when it comes to making campaign ads against Carson. I see this situation being very similar to what Senator McCaskille did in that she actually helped the most Right Wing candidate, Todd Akin win in the primary, so she could win in the general, and she did, by over 15 points in a state as red and consistently Republican in choosing President as Missouri.

"He don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning 270 electoral college vote. Bear in mind that Republicans have won the popular vote in this country only one time in the last 6 Presidential elections going back to 1992.


"The report, called the "Growth and Opportunity Project," lays out an extensive plan the RNC believes will lead the party to victory with an extensive outreach to women, African-American, Asian, Hispanic and gay voters."



Republicans this election cycle has completely ignored this plan to win the election. And Ben Carson and Donald Trump are easily your most offensive candidates to the general populace, although Huckabee and Santorum should get an honorable mention.


Let's go over which voting blocs Ben Carson WON'T be winning over. First it should be known that while he hasn't said anything as outright offensive and racist about Latino's as Donald Trump, his outreach program to them will probably fail so long as he's a Republican and voiced his disapproval of several other groups of voters.


Gays. He said being gay is a choice, because in an environment with total lack of females, a prison, men have gay sex. Ok, gays certainly won't agree with that statement, so he's pretty much ditched the gay vote. I don't even think the Log Cabin Republicans plan on voting for a Republican this time around for that matter due to how much negative messages they've got from party members and leadership for the mere fact that they're conservative on everything except that they're gay.


Jews. He said Jews could have prevented the Holocaust if they armed themselves with small arms. While historically speaking this is factually inaccurate since I have studied WWII in Europe and the Holocaust extensively, even the Anti-Defamation League flat out denies this statement, at best he might win over some Jewish voters who are single issue voters on Israel and Israel alone, who probably would have voted for Republicans anyways regardless of any comments he made regarding the Holocaust. Bringing up the Holocaust to Jew voters with an election ahead is extremely offensive, and incredibly tactless for that matter. Perhaps he might pick up a handful of gun voters who like that idea for a Pro-Gun narrative, but they were all going to vote for Republicans anyways so not a big win.


Blacks. He might win a few Black votes for the mere fact he's black and that is their only deciding factor, but he has attacked their intelligence which drives away not just Blacks, but most any voting blocs prior to an election. The narrative among Conservatives is that Blacks are still stuck on a "Liberal PLantation" if they vote for Democrats, invoking images of slavery and using the worst humanitarian crisis in this country's history and rivals the Holocaust in terms of how poorly our Blacks were treated as an attempt to shame Blacks into voting for Republicans. Again, extremely offensive, and incredibly tactless when trying to win over voters. Ben Carson supports this narrative that Blacks who don't vote Republican, which is about 95% of Black voters, are still stuck in slavery.


“Because they put you in a little category, a box: ‘You have to think this way, how could you dare come off the plantation?’”

No one says to Jews, that they're still stuck in Auschwitz if they vote for the Democrats in an election. Because it's so incredibly offensive, it's a strategy if you were trying to LOSE votes.

Young and Single Women. He has also managed to compare women who get abortions to women who are slave owners. This again is an extremely offensive statement to women. He wants to entirely ban abortion, I'm not sure he even leaves the door open for when women will die if they do not receive one. This is a great policy stance for people who can't bear children, but most of those people would have voted Republican anyways, so at best he'd pick up a handful of voters. 33% of US women will have an abortion by age 45, and most Americans do NOT think Roe v. Wade should be overturned.


Young and middle aged voters in general he won't win over given that he's already stated that he actually wants to INTENSIFY the colossal failure known as the War on Drugs.


"Glenn Beck: Do you continue the War on Drugs?Ben Carson: Absolutely.Beck: You do?Carson: I intensify it."
Like I said, Carson doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in the general. He has way too many unpopular policy stances. He can win a Primary with an extremely far right wing base, he can't win in a general and he certainly won't win 270 electoral college votes which is what really decides our Presidential elections. Sorry to burst your bubble.


It's as if he took the 2012 RNC Autopsy and then decided to drive even MORE voting blocs away from the Republicans." - JimmyS1985 (sirscrotum on youtube)

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
4. I find it offensive that he believes people are too stupid
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:35 AM
Nov 2015

to see through his juvenile charade. What a tool.

BigDemVoter

(4,157 posts)
6. He IS a sociopath. . . .
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:12 AM
Nov 2015

He is a pathological liar and is manipulative and hypocritical. I don't see how he's going to be able to squirm out of the objective facts regarding West Point. He may be able to bully the cowardly corporate media, but when it comes out that West Point does NOT even offer scholarships, as it's paid by the Federal Government. . . . He lied. He's busted. And there's proof. I don't see how even the biggest kool-aid drinkers will be able to support him now, but they are oblivious to truth and reason.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
9. Delusional narcissist - is a very apt description of Carson -
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:54 PM
Nov 2015

and Palin, and Cruz, and Trump, and Rubio, and Paul, and Romney.

Pretty much the who's who of republican politics!

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