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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI raised my dog in a loving environment. Then I respectfully slit her throat, carved her up
sold some parts or her to the neighbors. Before killing her, her last meal was a bone with marrow.
And when I killed her, I gave thanks.
I am nothing like those dog torturers. And my pure way of eating dogs contributes nothing to the culture of eating dogs.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,632 posts)What did I miss?
On edit: I saw the thread you were in. And now I understand.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I think you're comparing meat-eaters to people who eat dogs? Is that right?
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,632 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)this is about
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Referenced upthread. Many instances of "appears to be" and anonymous worker quotes.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)But I thank you for your response.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)That said, nothing in the video particularly shocks me other than the workers could be more effective in keeping the swine confined to the kill box. Perhaps they should consider C02 stunning. The worker quoted in the Daily Mail article is wrong - I don't see a whole lot there that would arouse the USDA.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)From not far from the moment they are born to when you gobble them up.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)All they can do is wait for the inevitable.
Enjoy your tofu.
yewberry
(6,530 posts)There is no evolutionary advantage to sessile organisms having a central nervous system or a fear response.
Soybeans do not experience pain or fear or existential dread.
Enjoy your wildly unsuccessful analogy.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)These animals that form loving and supportive communities. That care for their young. They are all trash to you. And fodder a "joke".
Millions upon millions living their lives in pain each and every moment of their lives. In PAIN. Their lives are kicked around and shoved around amongst strangers hands.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)My contribution is buying lots of bacon.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)The exploitation of sentient, living creatures around the world -- in many different ways -- is appalling. I hear what you are saying in your responses here.
(sickening the cruel and utterly insensitive snarky "yum, bacon" replies on DU to these stories)
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)In a statement, it said, "Had these actions been observed by the inspectors, they would have resulted in immediate regulatory action against the plant. It calls the treatment "completely unacceptable" and is investigating.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)However, I suspect that an inspector in the plant would probably have cut them slack -- especially in dealing with swine that size. Just my opinion.
My experience is that the USDA doesn't generally make a point to be near the kill box unless they have to be. They are usually further down the line inspecting the viscera for signs of illness.
Having said all of that, and all snark aside, IIRC this is a subcontractor working within Hormel's plant. I'd be ticked if I were Hormel because, issues of PR and animal suffering aside, animals that are agitated prior to slaughter provide lower quality of meat. Ideally, you want the animal to be unaware of what's coming until they are stunned, and once stunned, you want to move very quickly toward bleeding them. Temple Grandin has made this point for years in beef plants. These workers did not seem to have good control of the animals, and they seemed to have way too much freedom to move near the box.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
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Islandurp
(188 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I read the other thread.
The only solace I get is knowing that not all humans are savages beasts.
:'(
merrily
(45,251 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)Live your life in a way that does as little harm as you can.
I also am unable to process animal abuse. Find a way to understand the systems of abuse and refuse to participate in them. Then you have choices to make: be an advocate or build a wall, or find a way to do both.
If you want to be an advocate for animals whose lives are commodities, prepare to be hated. If you consider any direct action to protect animals whose lives are commodities, prepare to be arrested. DU is *not* a safe space for this issue.
Be a shepherd or be a wolf, but do yourself a favor and know ahead of time that DU is generally hostile to this issue. "Mmmm Bacon" is the default response to animal abuse here.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'd want to 'fast process' all the workers torturing the pigs.
eppur_se_muova
(36,269 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)Praise be.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Is it that farm animals shouldn't be treated well?
Is it that we shouldn't care about factory farms because they all end up dead anyway?
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)is just moments away from slaughtering the family pet and gnawing the flesh from it's still-quivering carcass.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Comiss patronseducated eaters with an interest in humanely harvested meatare understandably eager to fill their forks with Comiss pork. To them, Comis represents a new breed of agrarian maverick intent on bucking an agricultural-industrial system so bloated that a single companySmithfield Foodsproduces six billion pounds of pork a year. Comis provides a welcome alternative to this industrial model, and if the reform-minded Food Movement has its way, one day all meat will be humanely raised and locally sourced for the conscientious carnivore.
Except for one problem: Comis the humane pig farmer believes that what he does for a living is wrong. Morally wrong. As a pig farmer, I lead an unethical life, he wrote recently on The Huffington Post. Hes acutely aware that he might indeed be a very bad person for killing animals for a living. Comiss essential objection to his line of work is that he slaughters sentient and emotionally sophisticated beings. His self-assessment on this score is unambiguous. His life is one thats shrouded in the justificatory trappings of social acceptance. To those who want their righteous pork chop, he asserts that I am a slaveholder and a murderer and that what I do is wrong. Even if I cannot yet act on it, he concludes, I know it in my bones.
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We had read Timothy Pachirats Every Twelve Seconds, a graphic look into the workings of an industrial slaughterhouse. In our discussion, one studentan elaborately tattooed Iraqi war veteran, Purple Heart, competitive weight lifter, and active Texas ranchertold his classmates, all of whom were disgusted by what theyd read, that there was a better way. There was, he insisted, an entirely different way to go about treating cattle. My colleague and I asked this studentlets call him Mikeif hed be willing to open the next class by describing how he handles slaughtering cattle on his familys ranch, where they kill two cows a year for personal consumption. He generously agreed.
Mike began by explaining how horrified he was by Pachirats description of the way that the industrial operations cattle were treated. He was visibly angered. His hands were balled in fists. Having grown up around cattle and admitting that I have this special thing for cows, even more than his dogs, he said that slaughtering his animals with dignity was of the utmost importance. Mike described how his family cared for the calves, nurtured maternal bonds, made sure that the animals had access to open pasture during nice weather and shelter from storms, monitored feed, never had to administer antibiotics or vaccines, and showered the animals with physical affection. Lots of scratches and rubs. And then he took a deep breath, looked at the class with icy blue eyes, and began to explain how, to kill the cow humanely, you had to create a quiet atmosphere, make sure the knife was sharp, gather the whole family around, and and then he paused. He looked shocked for a second as his voice caught in his throat. His eyes darted around the room at his fellow students, who were dead silent. He took another deep breath and began to talk about severing the spinal cord. And then he was overcome. I sensed that a cathartic moment was coming and so looked hard at his eyes as they began to fill up with tears. The only thing I remember thinking was that this rancher is seeking a new path that nobody is providing. And that theres no way he is alone.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Isn't it the Stony Brook Farm environment better?
If you say it doesn't matter either way, then I have to disagree with you.
If you are trying to say any meat eating is wrong, then that's your moral standard. Just like abortion, if you don't like it, don't have one. Just don't push your morals onto others.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Eating meat is not anything "like abortion." Don't mix up your morals or metaphors, please.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Some people think abortion is immoral; some do not.
Some people are fine with eating meat; some are not.
The problem comes when anti-abortionists and anti-meat eater try to force their morals onto others.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Seriously, stop. Anti-choicers work on laws that attempt to stop others from having abortions- they also try to block medical clinics- or destroy them.
I have yet to see a vegetarian try to outlaw meat- or stand in front a a BBQ joint and stop people from going in. Your analogy is stupid.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)So are you fine with me living my moral choices or not?
If not, how are you any better than an anti-abortionist?
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)You?
The question isn't whether I am fine with your "moral choices," it's whether YOU are. Eat dead meat? If you are comfortable with that, and knowing that you are contributing to bad deaths- go ahead. It's your life, not mine. You really shouldn't care about my opinion- we probably aren't ever even going to meet in real life.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and love them experience a divide when it comes to time to kill them.
You have they luxury of never having to face the engaging loveliness of animalism. You just eat dead meat.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)I eat meat but I wish I didn't. And it doesn't make me feel any better to eat animals that were treated well right up to the time they were slaughtered. It's still awful. Better than sending them to a slaughterhouse but still awful.
A lot of the animals we eat are just as smart as our dogs and cats. It's an illusion to think that we don't kill our pets for food but it's ok to kill other food animals because they are raised for food.
We need to just quit eating meat. Really. I wish I could and I try over and over but I keep failing and I am not proud of it.
Being a vegetarian is better for the soul as well as your health.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)at people who "don't get it."
Better chow down on a big old "pasture raised burger" and think about this one some more.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Usually I'm the slow one on these kind of things :-P
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)people eat pigs, dogs, and in some cases monkeys which begs to ask why not people?
i hear we taste like bacon which to some morons is to die for.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)I kind of wish I didn't, but I get it.