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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:41 AM Nov 2015

I raised my dog in a loving environment. Then I respectfully slit her throat, carved her up

sold some parts or her to the neighbors. Before killing her, her last meal was a bone with marrow.

And when I killed her, I gave thanks.

I am nothing like those dog torturers. And my pure way of eating dogs contributes nothing to the culture of eating dogs.

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I raised my dog in a loving environment. Then I respectfully slit her throat, carved her up (Original Post) Luminous Animal Nov 2015 OP
What brought this on? I am genuinely puzzled by your post. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #1
This is a response to something, but I don't know what. DemocraticWing Nov 2015 #2
Her post is a response to this post linked below: CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #3
Yes. Dogs are meat aren't they? Would you happily gobble up dogs Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #13
I do not even want to know what the hell Tipperary Nov 2015 #4
Anti-hog slaughter shock article Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #9
Sorry I even asked. Tipperary Nov 2015 #11
Shock article? Appears to be? What part of the footage "appears to be" Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #12
I was referring to the article in Daily Mail Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #14
Enjoy eating your plate of a horrific life rife with pain and suffering. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #15
The soybeans live for one short season, and come October, they can't run from the oncoming combine Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #16
Soybeans have a central nervous system? yewberry Nov 2015 #18
The insensitivity toward plant life is simply shocking Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #23
You refuse to address your contribution to the pain and suffering of sentient beings. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #19
Bacon is delicious Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #22
I stand with you, LA. OneGrassRoot Nov 2015 #30
:( napkinz Nov 2015 #32
Thank you. Hugs to you. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #45
The USDA does. Brickbat Nov 2015 #24
I don't doubt that the USDA said that for public consumption Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #29
…. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #5
Me too! Islandurp Nov 2015 #6
BahZing! Sproing! Pop! LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #7
:'( darkangel218 Nov 2015 #8
You have a lovely spirit. merrily Nov 2015 #17
Aw! Thank you so much. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #20
Luminous Animal, hide that thread. yewberry Nov 2015 #21
Not about to watch that video. Rex Nov 2015 #25
re: your sig ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #27
I remember seeing that advertised on a website as the, "quickest fight in recorded history." Rex Nov 2015 #28
Exactly the way the Sky Lord intended. Iggo Nov 2015 #26
I have no idea what your point is FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #31
I believe the point is that anyone who consumes meat ... 11 Bravo Nov 2015 #34
Loving Animals to Death Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #35
So, you would prefer the pigs live in a factory farm setting then go to a major slaughterhouse? FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #36
So, what's your moral standard? JanMichael Nov 2015 #38
It's a moral choice FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #39
"forcing choices." Please don't compare the two JanMichael Nov 2015 #40
You've never seen a PETA demonstration? FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #41
no, not one that equaled lobbyists and getting laws passed JanMichael Nov 2015 #42
Did you even read what I posted? These are people who raise animals ethically Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #47
I think the OP is right. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #33
Great post- kind of laughing JanMichael Nov 2015 #37
Any good recipes? Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #43
Tons that include fat happy free range human children. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #44
I'm surprised how many don't get it... Bradical79 Nov 2015 #46
add son or daughter for dog. that is more fun. JanMichael Nov 2015 #48
I get it bhikkhu Nov 2015 #49

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,632 posts)
1. What brought this on? I am genuinely puzzled by your post.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:45 AM
Nov 2015

What did I miss?



On edit: I saw the thread you were in. And now I understand.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
2. This is a response to something, but I don't know what.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:47 AM
Nov 2015

I think you're comparing meat-eaters to people who eat dogs? Is that right?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
9. Anti-hog slaughter shock article
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:55 AM
Nov 2015

Referenced upthread. Many instances of "appears to be" and anonymous worker quotes.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
14. I was referring to the article in Daily Mail
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:14 AM
Nov 2015

That said, nothing in the video particularly shocks me other than the workers could be more effective in keeping the swine confined to the kill box. Perhaps they should consider C02 stunning. The worker quoted in the Daily Mail article is wrong - I don't see a whole lot there that would arouse the USDA.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. Enjoy eating your plate of a horrific life rife with pain and suffering.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:24 AM
Nov 2015

From not far from the moment they are born to when you gobble them up.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
16. The soybeans live for one short season, and come October, they can't run from the oncoming combine
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:30 AM
Nov 2015

All they can do is wait for the inevitable.

Enjoy your tofu.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
18. Soybeans have a central nervous system?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:02 AM
Nov 2015

There is no evolutionary advantage to sessile organisms having a central nervous system or a fear response.

Soybeans do not experience pain or fear or existential dread.

Enjoy your wildly unsuccessful analogy.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. You refuse to address your contribution to the pain and suffering of sentient beings.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

These animals that form loving and supportive communities. That care for their young. They are all trash to you. And fodder a "joke".

Millions upon millions living their lives in pain each and every moment of their lives. In PAIN. Their lives are kicked around and shoved around amongst strangers hands.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
30. I stand with you, LA.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

The exploitation of sentient, living creatures around the world -- in many different ways -- is appalling. I hear what you are saying in your responses here.



Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
24. The USDA does.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

In a statement, it said, "Had these actions been observed by the inspectors, they would have resulted in immediate regulatory action against the plant.” It calls the treatment "completely unacceptable" and is investigating.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
29. I don't doubt that the USDA said that for public consumption
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015

However, I suspect that an inspector in the plant would probably have cut them slack -- especially in dealing with swine that size. Just my opinion.

My experience is that the USDA doesn't generally make a point to be near the kill box unless they have to be. They are usually further down the line inspecting the viscera for signs of illness.

Having said all of that, and all snark aside, IIRC this is a subcontractor working within Hormel's plant. I'd be ticked if I were Hormel because, issues of PR and animal suffering aside, animals that are agitated prior to slaughter provide lower quality of meat. Ideally, you want the animal to be unaware of what's coming until they are stunned, and once stunned, you want to move very quickly toward bleeding them. Temple Grandin has made this point for years in beef plants. These workers did not seem to have good control of the animals, and they seemed to have way too much freedom to move near the box.

Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
21. Luminous Animal, hide that thread.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:21 AM
Nov 2015

Live your life in a way that does as little harm as you can.

I also am unable to process animal abuse. Find a way to understand the systems of abuse and refuse to participate in them. Then you have choices to make: be an advocate or build a wall, or find a way to do both.

If you want to be an advocate for animals whose lives are commodities, prepare to be hated. If you consider any direct action to protect animals whose lives are commodities, prepare to be arrested. DU is *not* a safe space for this issue.

Be a shepherd or be a wolf, but do yourself a favor and know ahead of time that DU is generally hostile to this issue. "Mmmm Bacon" is the default response to animal abuse here.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
31. I have no idea what your point is
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:15 PM
Nov 2015

Is it that farm animals shouldn't be treated well?

Is it that we shouldn't care about factory farms because they all end up dead anyway?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
34. I believe the point is that anyone who consumes meat ...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

is just moments away from slaughtering the family pet and gnawing the flesh from it's still-quivering carcass.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
35. Loving Animals to Death
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015
https://theamericanscholar.org/loving-animals-to-death/

Bob Comis of Stony Brook Farm is a professional pig farmer—the good kind. Comis knows his pigs, loves his pigs, and treats his pigs with uncommon dignity. His animals live in an impossibly bucolic setting and “as close to natural as possible.” They are, he writes, so piggy that they are Plato’s pig, “the ideal form of the pig.” Comis’s pastures, in Schoharie, New York, are playgrounds of porcine fun: “they root, they lounge, they narf, they eat, they forage, they sleep, they wallow, they bask, they run, they play.” And when the fateful day of deliverance arrives, “they die unconsciously, without pain or suffering.”

Comis’s patrons—educated eaters with an interest in humanely harvested meat—are understandably eager to fill their forks with Comis’s pork. To them, Comis represents a new breed of agrarian maverick intent on bucking an agricultural-industrial system so bloated that a single company—Smithfield Foods—produces six billion pounds of pork a year. Comis provides a welcome alternative to this industrial model, and if the reform-minded Food Movement has its way, one day all meat will be humanely raised and locally sourced for the “conscientious carnivore.”

Except for one problem: Comis the humane pig farmer believes that what he does for a living is wrong. Morally wrong. “As a pig farmer, I lead an unethical life,” he wrote recently on The Huffington Post. He’s acutely aware that he “might indeed be a very bad person for killing animals for a living.” Comis’s essential objection to his line of work is that he slaughters sentient and emotionally sophisticated beings. His self-assessment on this score is unambiguous. His life is one that’s “shrouded in the justificatory trappings of social acceptance.” To those who want their righteous pork chop, he asserts that “I am a slaveholder and a murderer” and that “what I do is wrong.” Even if “I cannot yet act on it,” he concludes, “I know it in my bones.”

.....


We had read Timothy Pachirat’s Every Twelve Seconds, a graphic look into the workings of an industrial slaughterhouse. In our discussion, one student—an elaborately tattooed Iraqi war veteran, Purple Heart, competitive weight lifter, and active Texas rancher—told his classmates, all of whom were disgusted by what they’d read, that there was a better way. There was, he insisted, an entirely different way to go about treating cattle. My colleague and I asked this student—let’s call him Mike—if he’d be willing to open the next class by describing how he handles slaughtering cattle on his family’s ranch, where they kill two cows a year for personal consumption. He generously agreed.

Mike began by explaining how horrified he was by Pachirat’s description of the way that the industrial operation’s cattle were treated. He was visibly angered. His hands were balled in fists. Having grown up around cattle and admitting that “I have this special thing for cows,” even more than his dogs, he said that slaughtering his animals with dignity was of the utmost importance. Mike described how his family cared for the calves, nurtured maternal bonds, made sure that the animals had access to open pasture during nice weather and shelter from storms, monitored feed, never had to administer antibiotics or vaccines, and showered the animals with physical affection. Lots of scratches and rubs. And then he took a deep breath, looked at the class with icy blue eyes, and began to explain how, to kill the cow humanely, you had to create a quiet atmosphere, make sure the knife was sharp, gather the whole family around, and … and then he paused. He looked shocked for a second as his voice caught in his throat. His eyes darted around the room at his fellow students, who were dead silent. He took another deep breath and began to talk about severing the spinal cord. And then he was overcome. I sensed that a cathartic moment was coming and so looked hard at his eyes as they began to fill up with tears. The only thing I remember thinking was that this rancher is seeking a new path that nobody is providing. And that there’s no way he is alone.


FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
36. So, you would prefer the pigs live in a factory farm setting then go to a major slaughterhouse?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:11 PM
Nov 2015

Isn't it the Stony Brook Farm environment better?

If you say it doesn't matter either way, then I have to disagree with you.

If you are trying to say any meat eating is wrong, then that's your moral standard. Just like abortion, if you don't like it, don't have one. Just don't push your morals onto others.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
38. So, what's your moral standard?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

Eating meat is not anything "like abortion." Don't mix up your morals or metaphors, please.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
39. It's a moral choice
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:34 PM
Nov 2015

Some people think abortion is immoral; some do not.

Some people are fine with eating meat; some are not.

The problem comes when anti-abortionists and anti-meat eater try to force their morals onto others.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
40. "forcing choices." Please don't compare the two
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:50 PM
Nov 2015

Seriously, stop. Anti-choicers work on laws that attempt to stop others from having abortions- they also try to block medical clinics- or destroy them.

I have yet to see a vegetarian try to outlaw meat- or stand in front a a BBQ joint and stop people from going in. Your analogy is stupid.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
41. You've never seen a PETA demonstration?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:52 PM
Nov 2015

So are you fine with me living my moral choices or not?

If not, how are you any better than an anti-abortionist?

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
42. no, not one that equaled lobbyists and getting laws passed
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:10 PM
Nov 2015

You?

The question isn't whether I am fine with your "moral choices," it's whether YOU are. Eat dead meat? If you are comfortable with that, and knowing that you are contributing to bad deaths- go ahead. It's your life, not mine. You really shouldn't care about my opinion- we probably aren't ever even going to meet in real life.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. Did you even read what I posted? These are people who raise animals ethically
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:30 AM
Nov 2015

and love them experience a divide when it comes to time to kill them.

You have they luxury of never having to face the engaging loveliness of animalism. You just eat dead meat.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
33. I think the OP is right.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

I eat meat but I wish I didn't. And it doesn't make me feel any better to eat animals that were treated well right up to the time they were slaughtered. It's still awful. Better than sending them to a slaughterhouse but still awful.

A lot of the animals we eat are just as smart as our dogs and cats. It's an illusion to think that we don't kill our pets for food but it's ok to kill other food animals because they are raised for food.

We need to just quit eating meat. Really. I wish I could and I try over and over but I keep failing and I am not proud of it.

Being a vegetarian is better for the soul as well as your health.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
37. Great post- kind of laughing
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:28 PM
Nov 2015

at people who "don't get it."

Better chow down on a big old "pasture raised burger" and think about this one some more.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
48. add son or daughter for dog. that is more fun.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:42 AM
Nov 2015

people eat pigs, dogs, and in some cases monkeys which begs to ask why not people?

i hear we taste like bacon which to some morons is to die for.

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