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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:01 PM Nov 2015

NEW DETAILS: "CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming"

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353

THE FRIDAY COVER

‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

An exclusive look at how the Bush administration ignored this warning from the CIA months before 9/11, along with others that were far more detailed than previously revealed.


By CHRIS WHIPPLE November 12, 2015

“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming.

By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing (as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack). Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10. The critical meeting that took place that day was first reported by Bob Woodward in 2006. Tenet also wrote about it in general terms in his 2007 memoir At the Center of the Storm.

But neither he nor Black has spoken about it publicly in such detail until now—or been so emphatic about how specific and pressing their warnings really were. Over the past eight months, in more than a hundred hours of interviews, my partners Jules and Gedeon Naudet and I talked with Tenet and the 11 other living former CIA directors for The Spymasters, a documentary set to air this month on Showtime.

The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.) Black, a charismatic ex-operative who had helped the French arrest the terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal, says the Bush team just didn’t get the new threat: “I think they were mentally stuck back eight years (before). They were used to terrorists being Euro-lefties—they drink champagne by night, blow things up during the day, how bad can this be? And it was a very difficult sell to communicate the urgency to this.”

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NEW DETAILS: "CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming" (Original Post) Hissyspit Nov 2015 OP
I predict that we will regret forgoing an investigation on the Bush Administration. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #1
Their going after Clinton was a COVER for bin Laden! MH1 Nov 2015 #16
The investigation would be helpful, if for no other reason than to Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #20
George Bush 2nd opened up a true Pandora's box Gloria Nov 2015 #127
+1,000 malaise Nov 2015 #45
Great point. What we dont know about The Bush cabal, 911, and so on, would floor us all. randys1 Nov 2015 #78
the various parties involved do not want an investigation... Javaman Nov 2015 #65
our entire system of government would collapse under the weight of a real investigation. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #121
I should rephrase that... Javaman Nov 2015 #147
I would hope what would collapse would be the entire system of corruption mountain grammy Nov 2015 #146
You are right. I rephrased my point up thread in a follow up reply. nt Javaman Nov 2015 #148
I've been regretting it since it came into existence! JustADumbFireman Nov 2015 #67
I don't think this is news to many of us ... ananda Nov 2015 #2
true here heaven05 Nov 2015 #31
we tried mehrrh Nov 2015 #91
We certainly did! Duval Nov 2015 #95
As always, they leave out more we already know than the new tidbits they let us have leveymg Nov 2015 #101
Holy **it. I didn't know any of that. polly7 Nov 2015 #109
NP. According to some here it was all Clinton's fault. Rex Nov 2015 #3
According to some here.... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #122
You mean you don't know? Rex Nov 2015 #135
What are you blabbering about. No one has said that. It's called a STRAWMAN. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #129
What the fuck would you know about the conversations I've had on here with other posters? Rex Nov 2015 #134
Weak try at deflection. You said, "Some here really like to defend republican regimes." rhett o rick Nov 2015 #145
LIHOP. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #4
sure seems that way tk2kewl Nov 2015 #6
Provoke the terrists, ignore the warnings, and wait for it to happen. bemildred Nov 2015 #7
MIHOP. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #42
+1 Alkene Nov 2015 #133
I wonder, though, delrem Nov 2015 #130
Things tend to get confusing when you speculate about motivations too much. bemildred Nov 2015 #138
Very well said delrem monicaangela Nov 2015 #143
I have known that for over a decade. Hissyspit Nov 2015 #10
+1. bemildred Nov 2015 #14
Just look at who benefited the most from 9/11. christx30 Nov 2015 #24
I just look at our history. bemildred Nov 2015 #33
Do you think ours is the only government or group that does this? whathehell Nov 2015 #136
Hardly. bemildred Nov 2015 #139
when the gov't wants a war.... tomp Nov 2015 #140
This get the red out Nov 2015 #79
Huge +1! Old trick! They used to do it to Native Americans. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #55
+1. bemildred Nov 2015 #64
yeah... used be we were sent to the dungeon for suggesting it tk2kewl Nov 2015 #17
now no one seems to care... Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #52
ancient history tk2kewl Nov 2015 #54
sadly true-- though still relevant to even the Paris attacks yesterday Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #142
Yup. nt City Lights Nov 2015 #11
LIHOP? MynameisBlarney Nov 2015 #21
Let It Happen on Purpose PADemD Nov 2015 #23
Let It Happen On Purpose. Most logical explanation JEB Nov 2015 #25
another theory is MIHOP rurallib Nov 2015 #30
not a big leap from LIHOP considering all the players tk2kewl Nov 2015 #35
especially considering the expected payoff that an almost rurallib Nov 2015 #40
we need someone in the White House willing to bring these people to account tk2kewl Nov 2015 #46
it was LIHOP at minimum and if they knew it was coming, it would be dumb for them not to steer it in Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #48
Yes that's what it looks like to me LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #103
I think it's kind of cute that you had to ask maxsolomon Nov 2015 #62
Agreed snort Nov 2015 #43
word G_j Nov 2015 #56
it's been 14 years already: they can outright admit it and it'd just make a little ripple MisterP Nov 2015 #111
+1 joshcryer Nov 2015 #120
can we get the 28 pages already? tk2kewl Nov 2015 #5
Along with the dozens of other known omissions in the public version of the Commission Report. leveymg Nov 2015 #63
When Bush was being warned, he was, in essence, being updated on what the valerief Nov 2015 #8
Not long after 9/11 I mentioned PNAC and specifically that line LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #27
We're their pawns, for certain. I remember being in the office at work valerief Nov 2015 #32
OMG, I honestly had the same reaction... Said what is Bush up to? (in my head). glowing Nov 2015 #141
Huge +1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #61
Looks like someone needs to testify before a Grand Jury under oath PDQ. Octafish Nov 2015 #9
Tenet has a lot of skeletons in his closet Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #49
I doubt any witness would live long enough to testify before that grand jury! LongTomH Nov 2015 #72
Interesting how erstwhile Dungeon material keeps showing up in GD these days Fumesucker Nov 2015 #12
Drip, drip2, drip3, ... drip52, ... drip(#?). I lost count after 52nd revealed warning before 911. Festivito Nov 2015 #13
MIHOP and probably worse nolabels Nov 2015 #26
And what about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, which wasn't even hit? colorado_ufo Nov 2015 #60
Total *free fall* for ~5 seconds nationalize the fed Nov 2015 #77
Once again, am I the ONLY person in the entire world who was watching TV when they ANNOUNCED... ieoeja Nov 2015 #99
NIST was asked to explain the collapse of WTC 7. Jeroen Nov 2015 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author Jeroen Nov 2015 #106
Look down a couple posts to post #99. n/t ieoeja Nov 2015 #100
Connie Rice the European Cold War so-called expert thought it was smoke from the Clinton... Historic NY Nov 2015 #15
k and r bbgrunt Nov 2015 #18
But W "kept us safe." spinbaby Nov 2015 #19
actually, they were so drunk with power that they misspoke. What he really meant was ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2015 #22
Beat me to it, almost word-for-word, spinbaby. bulloney Nov 2015 #34
W Bush, "he kept us safe" Botany Nov 2015 #28
"my brother kept us safe" napkinz Nov 2015 #37
Even if you dismiss LIHOP and MIHOP, what remains is invading Iraq even though you have randys1 Nov 2015 #80
And our invasion of Iraq produced ISIS Botany Nov 2015 #94
"he kept us safe" ... part 2 napkinz Nov 2015 #115
Bushco was "tired of swatting at flies". CJCRANE Nov 2015 #29
W did not keep the US safe Gothmog Nov 2015 #36
he kept ME safe! napkinz Nov 2015 #39
Props to your pictures, napkinz. pacalo Nov 2015 #119
"Any impeachment of President Bush is OFF THE TABLE" FUCK YOU PELOSI! ANd I VOTED FOR YOU! vkkv Nov 2015 #38
She had no choice since it wasn't possible to get Republicans to go along with it. randome Nov 2015 #41
It's impossible to say that. Pelosi just let it the whole thing go... UNFORGIVABLE vkkv Nov 2015 #149
Don't forget Obama saying that we need to look forward SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #47
He probably just wanted to complete at least one term get the red out Nov 2015 #84
Bingo! nt Kahuna Nov 2015 #116
If only the MIHOP perpetrators of 9/11 were still alive. Oh. Wait. Karmadillo Nov 2015 #44
how awesome would it be to get a real investigaiton into 9/11 and a real trial of the perpetraitors? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #51
We should ask both Bernie and Hillary if they support investigating the Bush administration Android3.14 Nov 2015 #50
He kept us safe. HassleCat Nov 2015 #53
I smell Darth Cheney in all of this. N/t roamer65 Nov 2015 #57
I was wondering why, after so many years, Bush Sr. was suddenly rushing to defend his son, colorado_ufo Nov 2015 #58
Good get there, excellent question. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #66
I don't think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it avaistheone1 Nov 2015 #59
Condi Liar Rice napkinz Nov 2015 #75
Secretary of Big Oil Octafish Nov 2015 #85
"it's past time to be polite. Justice awaits" ... napkinz Nov 2015 #93
She admitted they were warned about highjackings - but she thought Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2015 #98
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #68
does this surprise anyone here? niyad Nov 2015 #69
That this happened or that the details were covered up for so long? Hissyspit Nov 2015 #71
either, both. niyad Nov 2015 #73
Funny how Condo RICE's "I thought we were doing what needed to be done" ain't so important as Bengha UTUSN Nov 2015 #70
Funny how both sides of Congress go along with it. Octafish Nov 2015 #74
Cheney says ... napkinz Nov 2015 #86
Really????? get the red out Nov 2015 #76
THIS is WHY benld74 Nov 2015 #81
I see they continue to spin control the failure. Rafale Nov 2015 #82
Not remotely surprised that these Cold War idiots didn't want to hear it. blackspade Nov 2015 #83
Bill Maher and Chris Matthews Tear Into Jeb: "How Can He Get Away with Saying Dubya Kept Us Safe?!" napkinz Nov 2015 #87
I've never had any doubt that the Bush cabal knew what was in the works. That WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #88
I never doubted it either. Duval Nov 2015 #96
We'll never forget, alright Holly_Hobby Nov 2015 #89
9/11 mehrrh Nov 2015 #90
At the very minimum bush let it happen patsimp Nov 2015 #92
Too little too late, imo. nt Catherine Vincent Nov 2015 #97
K&R... spanone Nov 2015 #104
Bush should have been held to account for his negligence in public hearings. pa28 Nov 2015 #105
Gee...usually people don't want a paper trail if they have something to hide. Rex Nov 2015 #107
Wasn't that the theme of the book Richard Clarke's "Against All Enemies?" HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #108
Clarke must be shaking his head. 'I've been saying this for years!' FailureToCommunicate Nov 2015 #137
So there wouldn't be a paper trail. LIHOP riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #110
What burns me is Black saying "used to terrorists being Euro-lefties" snagglepuss Nov 2015 #113
Yup its not like the World Trade towers hadn't been hit before riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #114
"All right, you've covered your ass, now." tanyev Nov 2015 #112
hmmm ggee whiz willikers mnmoderatedem Nov 2015 #117
Well sourced dpatbrown Nov 2015 #118
The Bush junta are true war criminals. prouddemfromaustin44 Nov 2015 #123
Yeah Jeb, it sure sounds like "he kept us safe"? SmittynMo Nov 2015 #124
The CIA has its own agenda. milestogo Nov 2015 #125
Inside Job billhicks76 Nov 2015 #126
Feeling for Paris right now. But I'm coming back for this topic. KeepItReal Nov 2015 #128
DUers documented all of the things that went on, and WERE initially reported, loudsue Nov 2015 #131
This doesn't square with my belief that the bushies had a hand in the attacks Maraya1969 Nov 2015 #132
Bushies: "We know, we know, shut up! you'll spoil the surprise!" librechik Nov 2015 #144

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
1. I predict that we will regret forgoing an investigation on the Bush Administration.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:04 PM
Nov 2015

What an insane world we live in. They went after Clinton for much less.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
16. Their going after Clinton was a COVER for bin Laden!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone remember "wag the dog"??

Disclaimer for CT hawks: I don't mean to suggest anyone was intentionally covering for bin Laden directly. I think there WAS some intent to trivialize international issues including terrorism so that they could focus on the TRUE trivia like the blue dress.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
20. The investigation would be helpful, if for no other reason than to
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:48 PM
Nov 2015

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uncover any truth to that connection.

Just thinking, that if you really want to cover your tracks in America, find a way to trivialize the facts through ridicule. Ridicule is a double edge sword. If the facts are on your side, you can call it political satire. If they're not on your side, it's called a cover-up.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
127. George Bush 2nd opened up a true Pandora's box
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:17 PM
Nov 2015

of evil that will probably never be closed....As a kid, I remember reading the story and the image of the black beings flying out of the box.

What a terrible bastard....

malaise

(269,054 posts)
45. +1,000
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

I predict you are correct. One thing is certain is that his brother would not have been brazen enough to run for office after Dumbya failed to keep America safe.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
78. Great point. What we dont know about The Bush cabal, 911, and so on, would floor us all.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

I am not one who thinks anyone here was behind 911, but it is clear that at a minimum there was deadly negligence.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
65. the various parties involved do not want an investigation...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

it would be revealed to be a rotten onion. so many layers that are corrupt, our entire system of government would collapse under the weight of a real investigation.

that's why I'm always amused when politicians say, "the public couldn't handle the truth". It's just projection on their part. We would be just fine, they, the politicians, would be brought up on all sorts of high crimes, three of which would be: treason, murder and racketeering.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
121. our entire system of government would collapse under the weight of a real investigation.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

Oh Please....
The "entire" system?

It would be strengthened!

We know the key players already. Cheney, Condie, and their idiot enabler Dubya. The others can all go too. There are plenty in the wings to replace them.


This notion that we shouldn't investigate it as criminal neglect is part of how the terrorists won...big time! Add in Reagan. That's why we have Repug and 3rd way Repug lite.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
147. I should rephrase that...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:01 AM
Nov 2015

the entire insiders club of politicians would collapse. You are right democracy would be just fine. As far as it would be strengthened, that is to be debated.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
146. I would hope what would collapse would be the entire system of corruption
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

strangling our government. But the corruption won't allow for a real investigation.Vicious circle.

mehrrh

(233 posts)
91. we tried
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:54 PM
Nov 2015

We, who were following events closely, demonstrated, we wrote letters, we were making noise as loudly as we could but the powers that be were going to silence anyone who dissented.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
95. We certainly did!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks, mehrrh. I copied and pasted the alerts coming from different countries and sent them to my friends and family. I will never understand why this was "taken off the table" when Obama became President.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
101. As always, they leave out more we already know than the new tidbits they let us have
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

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The big news we already knew that isn't in this softball rehash: both George Tenet and Cofer Black knew that the Flt. 77 hijackers were already here and what they had in mind when the landed at LA Int'l on January 10, 2000, yet they went out of their way to order the FBI liaison at CIA CounterTerrorism Center not to send a cable to HQ informing the Bureau that al-Midhar and al-Hazmi had arrived.

Of course, after their arrival (the CIA had monitored their meeting with other 9/11 confederates in Kuala Lumpur the week before), the Flt 77 hijackers came under the care of the Saudi air attache and a cleric working at the Saudi-supported Islamic center in San Diego named Nawaf al-Alwaki - yes, the same guy the US Gov't let go right after 9/11 who went on be the al-Qaeda contact in half a dozen more terrorist attacks and attempts in ten years that followed. But, that's just a coincidence, too.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. NP. According to some here it was all Clinton's fault.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:13 PM
Nov 2015

Some here really like to defend republican regimes.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
122. According to some here....
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:43 PM
Nov 2015

Oh yeah? who?

This isn't a Fox News "some people say" thing.

Is one to 2....or even 3.... "some"?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
129. What are you blabbering about. No one has said that. It's called a STRAWMAN.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:36 AM
Nov 2015

No one here defends a republican regimes. But Clinton did join with the Republicons Bush and Cheney to invade Iraq. I guess she likes the Republicons.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
134. What the fuck would you know about the conversations I've had on here with other posters?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:09 AM
Nov 2015

Right nothing, now go pester someone else. Thanks.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
145. Weak try at deflection. You said, "Some here really like to defend republican regimes."
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

And I say that's not true. I say you are making that up because you've decided that ad hominem attacks are all you have.

At some point we have to have change. Millions of Americans are ready to fight for that change and yet some Democrats are demanding we stay with the status quo, afraid to fight to reduce poverty.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Provoke the terrists, ignore the warnings, and wait for it to happen.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

Then you claim incompetence, and nobody can prove a thing. Stochastic terrorism can be very predictable.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
130. I wonder, though,
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:43 AM
Nov 2015

why it is that bin Laden, a former CIA asset in the US proxy war against the USSR in Afghanistan, turned coat and attacked the USA?
What could be gained by it?

Looking at this war 15 years into it presents a different perspective than immediately after 9/11/01.

I say that a person can't understand it without coming to an understanding of who profited from it.
So one looks at who are the investment bankers and war profiteers.
War profiteers need investment bankers, investment banking isn't the proximate cause, war profiteering is.

Once one understands it, one understands that the cause is so fundamentally amoral that it doesn't distinguish war in the line of defense from war of choice, of aggression, for private profit.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
138. Things tend to get confusing when you speculate about motivations too much.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:17 AM
Nov 2015

There are various people involved and their motive varys likewise ("Was Cheney really trying to put the Vietnam disaster to rest?&quot , and it is always the case that much remains hidden.

On the other hand self-interest and low cunning are often an excellent heuristic approach for guessing what they will do next.

It is certainly true that you cannot understand the long sweep of the Neocons Folly by only paying attention to how they got it started.

But it is also true that the USA has a long history of provoking wars with people it wanted to invade for various reasons, but usually either to play little tin gods or to grab land and resources.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
143. Very well said delrem
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015

you have uncovered the truth of it all, and, it continues today with our ever widening war front in the world. The profiteers are raking in the cash as we now turn our attention to Africa with the new drone bases popping up all over the place over there:

https://publicintelligence.net/us-drones-in-africa/

As long as the weapons manufacturers and thereby the groups like Carlyle and others continue to make money we, the people of this nation will continue to spend our hard earned tax dollars and war and more war, and less and less education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc., and the Oligarch's who don't realize evidently the havoc they are causing in the world are going to continue to celebrate and rake in the $$$$$$$$.

A relatively small handful of federal contractors are responsible for the lion’s share of the $92 billion in fines, settlements, and court judgements assessed for defrauding taxpayers and other forms of contractor misconduct since 1995, according to a newly updated database published by the Project on Government Oversight (POGO).

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/13/pogo-contractors-study/

You are absolutely correct delrem it always comes back to GREED.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. +1.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015

It's an old trick of ours actually, we are very fond of it, provoking a response we can then respond to as we choose. We are pursuing it now in various places. Sometimes I think it is the only trick we know.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
24. Just look at who benefited the most from 9/11.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

it sure as heck wasn't Islamic fundamentalism. But the Military industrial complex? Well, let's see.. They got the Patriot act passed almost before the fires at Ground Zero were out. And a whole bunch of weapons got sold for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So I think only a fool would think that 9/11 just happened, and no one in the Bush administration had any inkling that something big was coming.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
33. I just look at our history.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

Whenever Washington wants a war, they start provoking the intended target, it's like a reflex.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
136. Do you think ours is the only government or group that does this?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:46 AM
Nov 2015

Terrorist groups from as far back as the late 60's deliberately provoked military action.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
139. Hardly.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:21 AM
Nov 2015

It's as old as the hills, and just as primitive. We are just very fond of it because of our two protecting oceans and all the backward natives we had to take things from here. Unfortunately for us, it does not work as well overseas.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
140. when the gov't wants a war....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:34 AM
Nov 2015

....i.e., when the economic powers that be want a war (and they always do), they create a false flag op. that's just history.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
40. especially considering the expected payoff that an almost
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

unquestioned hand in running a war would give them - that 'new Pearl Harbor'

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
46. we need someone in the White House willing to bring these people to account
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know if that's Bernie, but I know it ain't Hillary

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
48. it was LIHOP at minimum and if they knew it was coming, it would be dumb for them not to steer it in
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:31 PM
Nov 2015

some way, so at least they wouldn't be hit, thus making it a type of MIHOP.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
103. Yes that's what it looks like to me
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:26 PM
Nov 2015

IMO, they purposely did not pursue leads of suspects that were living in Florida. They did not amp up security or set up any kind of watch for these suspects at airports, even though they were warned of a plane attack. They must have known the date as well. As too many coincidences occurred together with both Bush and Cheney out of Capital Hill. Cheney ordering fighter jets to the other side of the country.

And the obvious demolition of building 7 raises the probability that they also had installed detonating devices on every floor in the twin towers as well. This was backed up by witnesses hearing the explosions but also the visual evidence shows small explosions occurring just before each floor fell.

I think they kept a hands off approach as much as possible, but helped facilitate when they thought they needed to. And the detonations were installed because they were either also concerned for the property destruction if the buildings had actually collapsed naturally. Or more likely they knew, as most engineers do, that a jet fuel explosion would not in itself, cause a building that size and structure to collapse. And in the "two birds with one stone" vein, that meant they could also destroy building 7 the same way, and that would get lost in the shuffle. In Building 7 large numbers of case files for ongoing investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) were conveniently destroyed in the collapse.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
111. it's been 14 years already: they can outright admit it and it'd just make a little ripple
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

on Facebook and Twitter

the Dems have already gone along with Iraq, and with tying Iraq to 9-11
the Dems have now gone along with perpetual and nigh-random warfare, on the PNAC wishlist, thinking that with these bozos out the war would be won for sure THIS time!
anyway there's been bigger crimes, and most Americans suspect that worse things than letting 3,000 die were planned, and the InfoWars froth will swallow up any real implications of this story
and we have our lives to live as money's sucked out of the economy

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
63. Along with the dozens of other known omissions in the public version of the Commission Report.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

Come to think of it, that's the real story. Just focus on what was left out and the conclusions contradicted by known facts.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
8. When Bush was being warned, he was, in essence, being updated on what the
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015

plans were. He wasn't supposed to do anything, not if he wanted a new Pearl Harbor.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
27. Not long after 9/11 I mentioned PNAC and specifically that line
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:04 PM
Nov 2015

to an acquaintance who was working in tv programming and who had many connections in tv news. He flat out told me that it would never see the light of day on any mainstream outlet for fear of retribution by the Bush Crime Family. He also specifically directed me not to send him a link. He didn't even want the info in his e-mail. To this day the American Public has been deliberately kept in the dark about the neocon agenda before 9/11 and its relationship to 9/11. LIHOP, indeed.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
32. We're their pawns, for certain. I remember being in the office at work
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

and watching the second plane hit the building with others. The first thing out of my mouth was, "What is Bush doing to us?" Then I drove home, listening to Howard Stern, and went to the supermarket to buy canned goods. Nutty, but I didn't know where to go or what to do. I thought Bush might attack every major city.

Funny how I never thought it was "terrorism." Empires don't let things like that happen to chance.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
141. OMG, I honestly had the same reaction... Said what is Bush up to? (in my head).
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:57 AM
Nov 2015

I didn't buy any canned goods or do any "prepping"... Had to go to work and SC was already like a 3rd world nation, who would want to bomb that?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Looks like someone needs to testify before a Grand Jury under oath PDQ.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:24 PM
Nov 2015

Wow.



“What happened?” I ask Cofer Black. “Yeah. What did happen?” he replies. “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.” Remarkably, in her memoir, Condi Rice writes of the July 10 warnings: “My recollection of the meeting is not very crisp because we were discussing the threat every day.” Having raised threat levels for U.S. personnel overseas, she adds: “I thought we were doing what needed to be done.” (When I asked whether she had any further response to the comments that Tenet, Black and others made to me, her chief of staff said she stands by the account in her memoir.) Inexplicably, although Tenet brought up this meeting in his closed-door testimony before the 9/11 Commission, it was never mentioned in the committee’s final report.

And there was one more chilling warning to come. At the end of July, Tenet and his deputies gathered in the director’s conference room at CIA headquarters. “We were just thinking about all of this and trying to figure out how this attack might occur,” he recalls. “And I'll never forget this until the day I die. Rich Blee looked at everybody and said, ‘They're coming here.’ And the silence that followed was deafening. You could feel the oxygen come out of the room. ‘They're coming here.’”

Tenet, who is perhaps the agency’s most embattled director ever, can barely contain himself when talking about the unheeded warnings he says he gave the White House. Twirling an unlit cigar and fidgeting in his chair at our studio in downtown Washington, D.C., he says with resignation: “I can only tell you what we did and what we said.” And when asked about his own responsibility for the attacks on 9/11, he is visibly distraught. “There was never a moment in all this time when you blamed yourself?” I ask him. He shifts uncomfortably in his chair. “Well, look, there … I still look at the ceiling at night about a lot of things. And I'll keep them to myself forever. But we're all human beings."

CONTINUED...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353



My oh my.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
72. I doubt any witness would live long enough to testify before that grand jury!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

The BFEE has a lot of assassins on its payroll, ever since Poppy's days with the CIA.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
13. Drip, drip2, drip3, ... drip52, ... drip(#?). I lost count after 52nd revealed warning before 911.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

LIHOP or MIHOP or worse.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
26. MIHOP and probably worse
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

As Diesel Mechanic for the last 38 yrs, I can testify that all the diesel fuel in the world could not burn down a building framed and blanketed with steel and bolstered with cement floors and panels. The explanation that Jet fuel (simple high test diesel) burnt those buildings is PURE CRAP. Anything after that is just fill in the gaps

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
77. Total *free fall* for ~5 seconds
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

admitted by NIST. The only way a skyscraper can fall at *FREE FALL* is if there's noting under what is falling. That's simply a fact.

/

And if "office fires" can do that (first and last time in history) no high rise in the US is safe.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
99. Once again, am I the ONLY person in the entire world who was watching TV when they ANNOUNCED...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

... that they were going to pull it down because of how badly it was damaged by the collapse of one of the two towers?!?

They TOLD US they were going to pull it down before they pulled it down. What kind of conspiracy ANNOUNCES on television what they are about to do ahead of time?

My opinion on the rest isn't all that hot either. But the possibility of a conspiracy is at least rooted in reality. Tower 7 is not.


Jeroen

(1,061 posts)
102. NIST was asked to explain the collapse of WTC 7.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

The NYFD did not 'pull it' although Larry Silverstein said 'they did'.
Preparing a building for controlled demolition takes weeks.




Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #77)

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
15. Connie Rice the European Cold War so-called expert thought it was smoke from the Clinton...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015

administration that wasn't with merit..... They blew off the warning from the transition briefings too

They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.

One official scheduled to testify, Richard A. Clarke, who was President Bill Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, said in an interview that the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that he led.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/us/clinton-aides-plan-to-tell-panel-of-warning-bush-team-on-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
22. actually, they were so drunk with power that they misspoke. What he really meant was
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:52 PM
Nov 2015

Cheney keeps a safe.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
28. W Bush, "he kept us safe"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015




“I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you!” 9/11/01 w bush

********

On 8/6/01 when w bush was handed a CIA brief that warned about bin Laden
using hijacked planes to attack Washington D.C. and N.Y.C. w told the CIA
person the following; “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”

randys1

(16,286 posts)
80. Even if you dismiss LIHOP and MIHOP, what remains is invading Iraq even though you have
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

undeniable PROOF (curveball) that there was no WMD.

So he may be only negligent as to 911, he and Cheney and company.

But as to Iraq they are guilty of war crimes, period.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
94. And our invasion of Iraq produced ISIS
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

“Freedom is not America's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty God's gift to each
man and woman in this world.”
• President Bush, November 4, 2004


Mother fuckers should be in jail for what they did in Iraq and the creation of ISIS.

"And all the stuff we're seeing today -- the rise of ISIS, the disintegration of the state in Iraq, the disintegration of the state in Syria, I think is directly connected to our invasion," said Clarke.

"We destroyed the state. This is what happens when you destroy a state. You have chaos, you have the rise of factions, regional and ethic factions," he continued. "And I think you can look at that decision and say that's the reason hundreds of thousands -- probably a couple of million if you add it all up -- people have been killed."

Richard Clark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
29. Bushco was "tired of swatting at flies".
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

They wanted the big one so they could go in and kick over the hornets' nest!

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
38. "Any impeachment of President Bush is OFF THE TABLE" FUCK YOU PELOSI! ANd I VOTED FOR YOU!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

"Any impeachment of President Bush is OFF THE TABLE"

Fuck you Nancy Go Away, Your TIME IS DONE. I had just voted for in when I lived in SF that previous election year.

FUCK YOU PELOSI!!!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
41. She had no choice since it wasn't possible to get Republicans to go along with it.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:20 PM
Nov 2015

Or enough Democrats, for that matter. You rarely see black and white in politics.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
149. It's impossible to say that. Pelosi just let it the whole thing go... UNFORGIVABLE
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
Nov 2015

Dems had the majority, Bush left Americans hung out to dry.
"Bin Laden determined to attack U.S."

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
47. Don't forget Obama saying that we need to look forward
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:30 PM
Nov 2015

and not back wrt investigation of bush/cheney and 9/11

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
50. We should ask both Bernie and Hillary if they support investigating the Bush administration
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

I want to see some justice.

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
58. I was wondering why, after so many years, Bush Sr. was suddenly rushing to defend his son,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
Nov 2015

putting the blame on Cheney (not that this was necessarily incorrect). And this wasn't to help Jeb get elected, which I am sure they realize is a lost cause. I am sure that Bush Sr. and others knew about these upcoming revelations. Could prosecutions possibly be waiting in the wings?

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
59. I don't think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
Nov 2015

into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile.
Condoleezza Rice
Press conference, May 16, 2002




Octafish

(55,745 posts)
85. Secretary of Big Oil
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015
But of all the Rockefeller brothers, it is Trilateral Commission (TC) founder and Chase Manhattan Chairman David who has spearheaded the family’s fascist agenda on a global scale. He defended the Shah of Iran, the South African apartheid regime and the Chilean Pinochet junta. He was the biggest financier of the CFR, the TC and (during the Vietnam War) the Committee for an Effective and Durable Peace in Asia- a contract bonanza for those who made their living off the conflict. -- Dean Henderson, http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/25080?print=1


No offense to anybody, but it's past time to be polite. Justice awaits.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
98. She admitted they were warned about highjackings - but she thought
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

it would be a "regular" high-jacking.

Why - then has no one asked - Well, if you thought it would be a regular high-jacking - what measures did you take to stop a regular high-jacking?

Point being - if these guys had not gotten on the planes - no 9-11 - period paragraph. What they did with the plane once they got on is irrelevant.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
68. Kicked and recommended to the Max!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

Either way, LIHOP or MIHOP, something more should be done. At the very least we could have a condemnation by the media and public.

Since 9/11 the nation has been on a downward spiral.

UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
70. Funny how Condo RICE's "I thought we were doing what needed to be done" ain't so important as Bengha
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

Benghazi-BENGHAZI-*BENGHAZI*!1

Rafale

(291 posts)
82. I see they continue to spin control the failure.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

I'm guessing the attempted spin control will NOT BE A "SLAM DUNK."

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
83. Not remotely surprised that these Cold War idiots didn't want to hear it.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

Those almost 3000 deaths and those that followed are on their heads.
The whole lot of them should be charged with war crimes.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
87. Bill Maher and Chris Matthews Tear Into Jeb: "How Can He Get Away with Saying Dubya Kept Us Safe?!"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015








https://www.facebook.com/Bipartisanism/videos/893314344078908 (click to see this video; not yet available on youtube)

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
88. I've never had any doubt that the Bush cabal knew what was in the works. That
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
Nov 2015

attack was allowed to happen. Gross incompetence can't explain the intelligence reports and warnings that were ignored. They were intentionally ignored.

They wanted a war, and they wanted oil. They got what they wanted. Treason is just one of the charges that Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld should be charged with.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
89. We'll never forget, alright
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

It's time to throw Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, etc. in the damn dungeon and throw away the key.

mehrrh

(233 posts)
90. 9/11
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

I think most of us knew or strongly suspected this information.
Yet, seeing it all in a concise article was a compelling read.
War profiteers and incompetence brought the darkest day in our history and we continue to pay the price in every way impaginable.

patsimp

(915 posts)
92. At the very minimum bush let it happen
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

and the idiot jeb has the audacity to say that the older idiot kept us safe.

How treacherous is the media who does not have this on the front page every day? But boy, Hillary or Bernie didn't say something right and it's news all the time.

Disgusting.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
105. Bush should have been held to account for his negligence in public hearings.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

They had no problem making Hillary answer for Benghazi or retroactively blaming Bill Clinton for 9-11. I don't think it's ever too late for the truth when it comes to hypocrites.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
107. Gee...usually people don't want a paper trail if they have something to hide.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

No wonder they whitewashed and threw away the subject as fast as possible. They were negligent in stopping 9/11. What a shock!

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
113. What burns me is Black saying "used to terrorists being Euro-lefties"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

How many decades ago was Europe under siege from LW terrorists? WTF is wrong with these people? Why is Black referring to Euro-Leftie terrorists when they America is chock full of rightwing and fundie terrorists. McVeigh was no effing lefty. What about the first time thew Trade Towers were bombed?

It verges on insanity that Euro-leftist terrorism came to mind when American anti-terrorism experts like Black were reading the intel.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
117. hmmm ggee whiz willikers
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:31 PM
Nov 2015

I wonder

9/11

Benghazi

Switch who was in the oval office at the respective times.

think right wing reaction would be slightly different??

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
118. Well sourced
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:40 PM
Nov 2015

There are many sources out there attesting to the same conclusions. I read it myself in a number of books right after 9-11.

 
123. The Bush junta are true war criminals.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
Nov 2015

They have the blood of countless innocent Iraqis and other civilians in the Middle East. Their policies have greatly contributed to the chaos and violence that ravages that part of the world on a daily basis. And yet they never faced justice for their crimes. Shows how messed up this country's "justice system" really is...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
126. Inside Job
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:10 PM
Nov 2015

Rice and Cheney are total liars. They kill for profit. I personally watched a CNN report almost a year before the attacks stating the US State Dept requested anti-aircraft missiles around the island of Genoa during the G8 Summit there because they were worried planes would be used as bombs during a terrorist attack. Rice claimed in her congressional testimony (refused to do under oath) that they couldn't imagine a scenario where planes could be used in a kamikaze mission.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
128. Feeling for Paris right now. But I'm coming back for this topic.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

I hope everyone else does also.

We cannot let this story be drowned out or lost.

Thanks for posting!

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
131. DUers documented all of the things that went on, and WERE initially reported,
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:46 AM
Nov 2015

but later silenced, about how 9/11 took place. Bush knew, but so did half of the USA (Atty General, military chiefs of staff, CEO's of large corporations, etc). And it was the wife of the king in Saudi Arabia (George Bush's "godfather&quot that financed the terrorists. It was no surprise on DU who did what back then. LIHOP and MIHOP was the only debate.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
132. This doesn't square with my belief that the bushies had a hand in the attacks
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:09 AM
Nov 2015

There are so many reasons why they are all suspect and it was going down.

Is it possible that the CIA was hearing the chatter from the White House and did not know it came from there.

Someone had clearance to the towers in the middle of the night to set up the explosives. They obviously knew that bush and the children at the school were at were safe because under normal operations both the children and the president would be take somewhere safe.

Or perhaps these CIA memos are part of the scheme. Making them seen like the incompetent key stone cops takes away from the idea that they actually were behind it. The one is stupid and the other evil

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