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niyad

(113,336 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:30 PM Nov 2015

Republicans Will Save America By Outlawing Liberal Philosophers

I Think Therefore I Am Unemployed

Republicans Will Save America By Outlawing Liberal Philosophers


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The faculty of the Philosophy Department at the University of Woolamaloo were sorely disappointed by the debate

Marco Rubio got one of the strangest applause lines of Tuesday’s GOP debate when he explained that our institutions of higher learning are wasting too much time teaching frou-frou topics like philosophy that Real Americans simply don’t care about. You see, like all of the other candidates, Rubio is against raising the minimum wage, which is a terrible idea, because for one thing, did you know his father was a bartender? (This is one of two parental facts we will remember forever from this year’s debates: Rubio and Graham, sons of bartenders; Kasich, son of a mailman. We’ll be unbeatable at bar trivia.) Also, if you raise the minimum wage, then the Metal Men will surely replace us:
If I thought that raising the minimum wage was the best way to help people increase their pay, I would be all for it, but it isn’t. In the 20th (figures he doesn't even know the correct century) century, it’s a disaster. If you raise the minimum wage, you’re going to make people more expensive than a machine. And that means all this automation that’s replacing jobs and people right now is only going to be accelerated.



It’s actually the 21st century, but the debate was on Fox Business, which never updated its name. Not an error, but a very subtle pander, there. Then Rubio laid out his vision for a better, more prosperous working class:
Here’s the best way to raise wages. Make America the best place in the world to start a business or expand an existing business, tax reform and regulatory reform, bring our debt under control, fully utilize our energy resources so we can reinvigorate manufacturing, repeal and replace Obamacare, and make higher education faster and easier to access, especially vocational training. For the life of me, I don’t know why we have stigmatized vocational education. Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers.

HUGE applause. Apparently, Rubio touched a deep-seated Republican disdain for all those worthless philosophers who’ve been clogging up the homeless shelters and going around forcing the Socratic Method on unwilling bystanders. Yr Dok Zoom is also reminded of his evil adopted brother, who had nothing but contempt for “intellectual bums” — that would be me — who just sat around reading all summer when there was yard work to be done.


We could also point out that while Rubio said nice things about vocational education, Democrats have actually been trying to increase it; it’s a central focus of Barack Obama’s proposal to ensure that all American students get at least two years of community college, for instance. Funny, Republicans suddenly stopped cheering vocational education.
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In conclusion, we think there should be more songs about philosophy, like the Bruces’ Philosophers Song. G’day!



Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed: a lovely little thinker but a bugger when he’s pissed.

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Republicans Will Save America By Outlawing Liberal Philosophers (Original Post) niyad Nov 2015 OP
How about philosophers who can weld? HassleCat Nov 2015 #1
Rubio and Monty Python on the same page, how dare you randys1 Nov 2015 #2
blame wonkette niyad Nov 2015 #3
Blasphemy randys1 Nov 2015 #4
I was glad that I wasn't drinking anything when I saw it. given the demonstrated hatred of niyad Nov 2015 #16
niyad, can we call you Bruce? longship Nov 2015 #5
My favorite philosopher, Daniel Dennett. longship Nov 2015 #6
A thousand thanks for these. hifiguy Nov 2015 #11
I highly recommend "Breaking the Spell" longship Nov 2015 #12
Will put it at the top of my list. hifiguy Nov 2015 #13
Hitch was wonderful. longship Nov 2015 #14
LOL. I read both "God is not Great" and "The God Delusion" hifiguy Nov 2015 #15
Dennett is more intellectual. longship Nov 2015 #19
thank you for these. niyad Nov 2015 #17
Australia! Australia! Australia! Australia! Octafish Nov 2015 #7
David Hume could out-consume hifiguy Nov 2015 #10
The disdain for higher education--particularly liberal arts-- mnhtnbb Nov 2015 #8
Heil Hilter!!! hifiguy Nov 2015 #9
can certainly understand your frustration. niyad Nov 2015 #18
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. How about philosophers who can weld?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

Kind of a Hegel thing, the ability to join dissimilar metals, etc.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. Rubio and Monty Python on the same page, how dare you
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:43 PM
Nov 2015

I wonder if Rubio would understand that Monty Python is comedy.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
16. I was glad that I wasn't drinking anything when I saw it. given the demonstrated hatred of
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:04 PM
Nov 2015

the pukes for intelligence and thinking, that is sadly true.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. My favorite philosopher, Daniel Dennett.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

Some snippets.



On consciousness:


Hope DUers will enjoy. Plus, he looks just like Santa Claus.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. A thousand thanks for these.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:47 PM
Nov 2015

His destruction of the "Lucille" gambit is a thing of elegance and beauty.

I have to read this man's work.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. I highly recommend "Breaking the Spell"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

Knowing your posts here, and I think I do, I believe you would like it very much. An alternative, Darwin's Dangerous Idea, would be also good.

But my first recommendation is Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon. Dennett tackles the knotty problems of what religion is, and what one can or should do about it. It is a phenomenally good read, one of the four horseman books, maybe the best of them. Although I confess to very much liking Dawkins' The God Delusion and especially Hitchens' god is not Great. However, neither of those suggest any solutions to the religious problem. And although Sam Harris does, his tome is (IMHO) nearly unreadable blabber, which is why I promote the others, and especially Dennett's.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
13. Will put it at the top of my list.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:26 PM
Nov 2015

The phenomological side is not one Hitch and Dawkins address - I've read and very much liked both of the books you mentioned - and I am keen to read a top-notch mind's analysis of that aspect of this curious and insanely destructive aspect of human nature.

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Hitch was wonderful.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:40 PM
Nov 2015

"god is not Great" was absolutely the best polemic that I ever read. One finishes the book and one has to start it again from the beginning. Hitch had such a command of the language that one cannot help oneself. One excuses oneself for buying into such a purely emotional, and polemical, argument. Reading Hitchens is like eating candy. One cannot get enough.

I love Hitchens, now sadly departed.

Fortunately, we still have Dennett, albeit not like candy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. LOL. I read both "God is not Great" and "The God Delusion"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

through twice when I first read them.

Hitchens was so deliciously, bitterly funny in the best Swiftian tradition while remaining utterly truthful. Dawkins' reasoning is so elegant and airtight. Mind candy indeed.

Reading those two at their best is the literary equivalent of listening to Jascha Heifetz or Itzhak Perlman play the violin. Masters at work.

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. Dennett is more intellectual.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:37 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

He at least puts forth a hypothesis, which neither Hitchens and Dawkins do.

BTW, a great discussion with all four of the four horsemen at Hitch's place in Washington, DC. And of course there are cocktails on the table. It is two hours long, but addresses many of these topics. It is well worth a view.

Here:



In the last hour, Hitchens holds court. However, Sam Harris attempts to focus the conversation. This is amongst the best of the best on discussions on modern day atheism.

And just when they get to Islam, the discussion ends.

Sic transit Gloria mundi.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Australia! Australia! Australia! Australia!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

We love you! Amen! Sit down!

Fourth Bruce: New-Bruce will be teaching political science, Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benet.


Awright, Bruce.



That's going to cause a bit of a problem.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. David Hume could out-consume
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

Schopenhauer and Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothin' Nietzsche couldn't teach
About the raisin' of the wrist
Socrates himself was
Permanently pissed....

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
8. The disdain for higher education--particularly liberal arts--
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:32 PM
Nov 2015

and the concept of learning to think for oneself, challenge authority, and search out new knowledge
is a hallmark of the right wing Republicans.

We have just seen the Republican dominated (thanks to elections of 2010 and gerrymandering in
NC) Board of Governors hire the Rove/Bush henchwoman, Margaret Spellings, as the President
of the UNC University System. They threw out the well respected (and Dem) President last
January--while insisting that asking for his resignation was not political--and then hired
this Texas toady (currently Director of GWB's Library in Dallas) who was the disastrous
Education Secretary under Bushie boy who brought us No Child Left Behind. She has since
been on the Boards of the parent group of University of Phoenix and a student loan collecting
outfit. The Republicans in NC have themselves in a paroxysm of orgasmic anticipation
at how she can take down the "liberal" University--especially the well respected flagship
UNC-Chapel Hill campus-- by turning it into an establishment for training future widget makers
and automatons determined to bow down to their corporate masters.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. Heil Hilter!!!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015


(the subject line is a M. Python reference. Jebus, why do I feel the need to actally explain that? Shit's getting bad around here)
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