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DEATHLY MASS ATTACKS ALL ACRISS PARIS..
AT least 60 died.
RIP
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)should be with them.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)I am so in pain tonight. Stuck at TV shaking with shock. My Parisian friends are OK but one were near an attack site....
Mass
(27,315 posts)First time I am happy that he is not a sociable person and was at home on a Friday night.
But I am still in shock too.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)My friends are OK too.
But I am stuck by tv fir all night I think. In shock. Need to talk and exchange.
MH1
(17,600 posts)This is very terrible.
Hang in there, I sure hope all your friends and family remain okay.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)This is a horrendous act. Stay safe.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)X
historylovr
(1,557 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)...that kept miraculously showing up in 'refugee nations'.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)rollin74
(1,976 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Just so horrible.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Je suis Paris!
Solly Mack
(90,771 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)OMG - my husband and I were just talking about going to Paris in February. To think of such ugliness again in such a beautiful city.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)for all the goodness it brought Paris in recent times.
liberalla
(9,249 posts)no words... so sorry...
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)...
MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Je suis écoeurée et au bord des larmes.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Im close to tears myself...
Oh why.. WHY??????
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Paris is at the heart of Europe--excellent, high visibility target for those wanting to cause panic and mayhem.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)You were very kind to me in posting tips and ideas when I was there (in Paris) this summer.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Love that picture!!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)Dear France,
We will have your back, no matter what happens.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
suffragette
(12,232 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thank you so much for checking in here. As soon as I heard about the attacks over there, I thought of you & hoped you were ok. So glad you are, & so sad you've lost so many fellow citizens.
We all share your loss & heartbreak here in the US.
We Stand with France!!!
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)tavernier
(12,392 posts)and I was frantic! She finally replied on facebook that she is safe and cannot express how much our concern means to her...
(and a million more)
Please kick!!!
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)My heart bleeds. The death toll will rise.
840high
(17,196 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Paris
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Fuck these subhuman garbage with a white-hot poker!
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #67)
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MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #69)
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RiverLover
(7,830 posts)The people that did this are subhuman garbage!!!
Its far from being racist to point that out.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)Islam is a problem.
Do I think that all Muslims are violent? A majority? No, of course not.
But it doesn't take a majority to cause problems. No other religion has even a fraction of people who think in violent terms the way that a lot of Muslims do, and if you want to hide my posts, fine, but you're just consciously choosing to limit free speech. This is one of those rare times when this isn't really bigotry; it's pointing out the truth. We should be fair. We should not apply a broad brush to all individuals. But there's a huge problem within Muslim communities the world over right now. And their faith, their tenets lend themselves to interpretations that make it easy to preach intolerance, hatred, fanaticism, and ultimately, violence.
I don't care if you don't agree with me. I know what I know.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I have a liberal friend who is very angry with the SILENT majority of Islam who don't strongly condemn the violence of the few. She blames them. This was before today.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Islamic extremism has murdered civilians for decades. Why do we now have to stop "dancing around the truth"?
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)The white terrorism in the New World over the last 500 years is unparalleled and going strong. Statistically, I am much more likely to be harmed by a Christian terrorist than a Muslim terrorist in the USA.
I agree that any terrorist is a scumbag, but let's not discount the hysteria about Muslim terrorists, whereas white terrorists aren't even ACKNOWLEDGED to be terrorists.
Havng said that, I hope France catches those bastards and gives them a taste of Gallic justice!
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)...the reality is that you're pretty comfortably living in a world that is the product of "white terrorism." And I doubt very seriously you'd trade it in for something else. I'm hardly a right wing nutbar but I am disgusted whenever I see comments such as yours every time a bunch of barbarians commit mass murder. Whether you realize it or not, you're tacitly endorsing such behavior and you're encouraging more.
So, stop. Just call an outrage and outrage for once...and leave it at that.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I stand with the French people regarding this tragedy and hell yes, I hate the people responsible.
But I don't want to hear any Bill Maher pseudo intellectual bullshit. The biggest terrorist of the last 20 years has been a white Christian: George W. Bush. And the ONLY terrorism in my part of the country has been white terrorists killing black people, Jews and abortion doctors. When white people commit terrorism, the CCM doesn't even call it that, except for the IRA. Maybe we should just agree to disagree about who wins the terrorist Olympics.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)There have been plenty of opportunities, at times other than this moment, to condemn the policies of George W. Bush or the rhetoric and vitriol of Christian conservatives. There have been plenty of opportunities in the past, and there will undoubtedly be more in the future. That time is not now...for reasons that should be obvious.
So I again submit that you cannot equivocate and stand with anyone. You cannot sit and stand at the same time. You either stand, or you sit. Are you sitting or standing?
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)YOU are the one who raised the Bill Maher bullshit. Lashing out at all Muslims wasn't right on 9/11 and it's not right now. I'm tired of talking to you. I won't reply because you will be on ignore.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)I accept that Western foreign policy has had a negative influence on the Middle East and stoked the flames of radical Islamist ideology with unintended consequences. I'm pretty familiar with the history and get what you're saying.
None of that changes the fact that we have probably large numbers of people in the West who put their own religious values ahead of values that we consider essential to our way of living -- values such as free expression, which we happen to be making the most of right now on this message board.
I am tired of pretending like there's not a problem, when there clearly is a problem. I think it needs to be addressed before we in the West decide to permit more people from these cultures into our societies.
This is one example where perhaps I feel compelled to be just a little bit conservative to protect the rest of me that's progressive.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I've been righteously vocal and upset about "Pretzeldent" since before the Iraq invasion, and now I'm upset about muslim terrorists. The Middle East invasion doesn't make terrorism okay.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Your comments have no place in this forum and certainly not in this thread.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Anyone aligned with that shit pile is no one worth speaking to.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)A lot of Muslims HATE gays? I'm not talking ISIS Muslims, either. I mean Muslims who live right here in the United States.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I know a Jewish gay whose family declared him dead and sat shiva for him.
"People of the Book"
Killing gays by law is despicable. Christians in this country having been trying to get other countries to do that and it happens in some Muslim countries.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)I know of no Christian or Jewish country that executes gays. Don't confuse an exception with something broader.
merrily
(45,251 posts)We never made it government policy to kill gays, but we did make it government policy to exclude them and/or discriminate against them. DADT was not repealed until the current administration and DOMA was recently overturned by the SCOTUS. Churches all over the US are still preaching against gays and running camps and programs to "cure" them. Gays are still very much fighting for equal rights in employment and on so many other fronts.
Don't confuse an exception with something broader.
I'm not the least bit confused about this, thanks.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)But ideas changed. The free exchange of ideas happened. The society trusted its more secular instincts. You're not going to get that with an influx of people who aren't secular, and who aren't in any way prepared to find work and function economically in a new society.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Every time something happens, DU goes batshit over the religion followed by a billion and a half people all around the world. It's disgusting.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)You don't see Christians strapping themselves with explosives. I can't think of any other religion with a substantial number of adherents who do this.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)We seem to not have an uproar when that language gets applied to perpetrators of large scale hate crimes here in the USA. Or even some single despicable acts.
Did I miss something? Or are many of us assuming that the comment was used in regards a group? I can see how that might happen, but I definitely didn't take it that way.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)...is the hobgoblin of little minds.
thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)I'm just curious. Tell us what you know.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)At some point, people are going to stop caring what you call them. People are judged more by deeds than by words.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Do you disagree?
dpatbrown
(368 posts)My wife and I just spent two weeks in Paris, and had a wonderful time. A beautiful city. Our hearts go out to Paris.
countmyvote4real
(4,023 posts)Docreed2003
(16,862 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Yup - I said it.
840high
(17,196 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Sure, terrorism is kinda sorta bad (but needs to be understood in the proper privilege and colonial context, yakno) but blasphemous cartoons and so-called 'free speech' are worse!"
For some folks, there is no violence or oppression more egregious than certain people not being able to censor pictures they don't like.
They'll stay quiet for a day or two, but their bullshit train will be pulling into the DU station soon enough.
EileenFB
(360 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)The world has gone mad. We need to work to make it better.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)colonialistes et terroristes.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)This is heartbreaking. Love to Paris.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)The US and UK have been far more involved in Arab / Muslim affairs in recent years. Paris has been much less of a meddler in the Muslim world and yet the boldest attacks have occurred there.
At some point, you have to wonder why these attacks happen in France? And what is the French response going to be? Just turning the other cheek and trying to stay out of wars doesn't seem to be the answer. Sorry, but France has a problem with failing to integrate Muslims into the French mainstream, and idiots like Andrea Merkel had better wake up.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)And may the bastards responsible rot in hell!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)ignore the ugly here, many just wish you well.
merrily
(45,251 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)The best way to fight terror is with human solidarity
http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/11/13/paris?cmpid=tpdaily-eml-2015-11-13
In the face of multiple terror attacks that killed more than 100 people in Paris on Friday, local residents took to social media to offer safe haven and track loved ones in the city.
Under the hashtag #PorteOuverte, which translates to #OpenDoor, Parisians offered shelter, a place to sleepand usually a bit of hospitalityvia Twitter.
On Facebook, concerned friends outside Paris were able to use the social media networks Safety Check function to see if loved ones were near the terror attacks.
On Twitter, this offer came from the 18th arrondissement, the district south of the Stade de France, where multiple explosions were reported during a Germany-France soccer matchan offer of tea and clean sheets.
French news reported that Parisian taxis had turned off their meters to help people get home.
stage left
(2,962 posts)BlueCollar
(3,859 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)raging moderate
(4,305 posts)Nous vous aimons, Parisiens! Tous!