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Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:48 AM Nov 2015

CNN: Political winds shifting on surveillance after Paris attacks?

The intelligence community -- on defense since revelations of massive domestic surveillance surfaced in 2013 -- might have an opening to become more assertive after the terror attacks in Paris.

Intelligence officials are already pressing their case in the aftermath of the France bloodshed -- and getting support from prominent politicians who only recently avoided bringing up the controversial topic in conversations about national security.

The shift is alarming privacy activists and threatens to deny some presidential candidates an issue that has served as a major rallying cry for their campaigns: imposing limits on government spying programs in the wake of former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden's leaks.

CIA Director John Brennan on Monday called the Paris attacks a "wake-up call" on the importance of intelligence collection, decrying reforms as obstacles to his job.

Brennan said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Global Security Forum that due to "unauthorized disclosures" and "handwringing," some policy and legal steps have been taken "that make our ability collectively, internationally, to find these terrorists much more challenging."
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/politics/paris-syria-isis-surveillance-intelligence-politics/index.html

Well, this was predictable.

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CNN: Political winds shifting on surveillance after Paris attacks? (Original Post) Renew Deal Nov 2015 OP
We have collectively lost our sh*t underpants Nov 2015 #1
I saw poll I think on one of the networks that security of the US and terrorism are top issues for yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #2
Fuck you and your military-loving, Muslim-hating corporate-buddy owners, CNN. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3
So convenient how our government... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #4
There are contradictions in your post Renew Deal Nov 2015 #5
Those terrorist Twitter accounts... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #8
Who makes that decision? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #9
Americans are EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #6
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #7
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. I saw poll I think on one of the networks that security of the US and terrorism are top issues for
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015

The economy was knocked down and the explained that it's because the economy has improved so much.

We need a new shinny object soon.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Fuck you and your military-loving, Muslim-hating corporate-buddy owners, CNN.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:59 AM
Nov 2015

Full Fox is their goal...CNN only sucks a bit less than Fox...they both use fear for ratings! And how about apologizing for all the free publicity for Nazi Trump!?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
4. So convenient how our government...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

...uses every terror attack to incrementally take away our privacy and our rights.

They're discussing taking away encryption.

This article is nothing but propaganda--attempting to bully us into accepting less privacy and more governmental intrusion.

And the ultimate irony-- it's Anonymous who is rooting out these terrorist Twitter accounts and disabling them. WTF is our government doing? They *supposedly* want more intrusions on our privacy and freedom, and they can't even fucking disable a terrorist twitter account. Anonymous has to do it? And anonymous does it without spying on all of our phone calls and emails.

At some point, you just have to face facts--that a whole lot of abuse is being perpetrated on the American people--by our own government. And now they want more.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
5. There are contradictions in your post
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

You are complaining about the government "incrementally taking away our privacy and rights" but then complain that the government can't brand someone a terrorist and shut down their twitter accounts. Those two ideas don't work together.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
8. Those terrorist Twitter accounts...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

...are low-hanging fruit, for Pete's sake.

When someone on Twitter discusses their desire to join ISIS and wage war against America--and they're connected to others who are doing the same--it's just common sense that those Twitter accounts be disabled.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
9. Who makes that decision?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

The government or Twitter? What happens if the government decides that supporters of universal health care are undesirable? Can they order the accounts to be shut down? What about people that are anti-war?

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
6. Americans are
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015

Dumb as dirt and easily manipulated. As a group.

Lots of smart ones and clued up ones, but a group is only as strong as it's weakest member. And right now one that's pretty damn weak.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. "Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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