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"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked" (Original Post) kpete Nov 2015 OP
My mother said after 9/11 that the Nazis wished their propaganda was as effective as today's. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #1
Well, the Nazis did pick it up, second hand from us. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #30
Feeding Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #2
Works every time Android3.14 Nov 2015 #3
+1 azmom Nov 2015 #41
+1 JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #51
EDIT: the author of the OP clarified her point Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #4
Are the people in Paris running around panicking like a flock of scared chickens? hobbit709 Nov 2015 #5
They seem to have the ability to know the difference between terrorists and refugees. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #6
I see. So your OP was directed strictly at people in the US. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #8
I didn't know my user name was Kpete. Not my OP. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #9
But you answered for her Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #12
I answered YOUR reply to my post. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #13
it was real, but they aren't acting totally crazy Punkingal Nov 2015 #7
War is a racket Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #10
Irony? JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #52
Has anyone fact-checked this quote? nxylas Nov 2015 #11
Here you go. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #14
Snopes atreides1 Nov 2015 #15
This is probably Göring's most famous quote of all DFW Nov 2015 #17
Thanks to everyone who replied. nxylas Nov 2015 #22
Like they say here in Germany DFW Nov 2015 #25
"The problem with Internet quotes is that you very often can't verify their authenticity" geek tragedy Nov 2015 #35
Nice! louis-t Nov 2015 #37
That's not a bogus quote WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2015 #36
K&R napkinz Nov 2015 #16
This statement was and is true nyabingi Nov 2015 #18
You are the quiet sensible voice in the crowd. Your post gets to the true meaning of the quote CJCRANE Nov 2015 #29
Thank you. Alkene Nov 2015 #54
wow... SoapBox Nov 2015 #19
My thoughts exactly. Do those being manipulated realize they are, if not then we are randys1 Nov 2015 #26
Use the Social Media buttons at the bottom of the OP. That helps get it around, especially if sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #45
One of the ironies of history... malthaussen Nov 2015 #20
Mal, I've come to the snort Nov 2015 #32
cunning. we even apply it to animals. NuttyFluffers Nov 2015 #34
My Exact Thoughts McKim Nov 2015 #21
Right, and repugs have been doing it ever since. elleng Nov 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Joe Chi Minh Nov 2015 #24
The problem is that people insiste on electing leaders, on following leaders. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #27
Republicans were only at the Nuremburg Trials to take notes BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #28
Actually, pro-war fear-mongering works equally well for 3rd Way Saber-rattlers. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #31
Funny, this is missing from high school education text books. TRoN33 Nov 2015 #33
Cause Democrats don't do the same? F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #38
+1. nm DirtyHippyBastard Nov 2015 #40
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #39
Or, I mean, you could actually have a civilian population BEING attacked. Joe the Revelator Nov 2015 #42
How about all the civilian populations being attacked arikara Nov 2015 #46
So you are saying that you give a pass to ISIS? Joe the Revelator Nov 2015 #47
What is ISIS? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #48
Either you know bloody well I didn't say that arikara Nov 2015 #50
And if they still need convincing, fly some planes into buildings. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #43
Karl Rove is the reincarnation of Hermann Goring. Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #44
And Regrettably - Too Many Citizens Are Transfixed And Immobilized By Fear cantbeserious Nov 2015 #49
I have had the news in the background well due to well work nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #53

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. My mother said after 9/11 that the Nazis wished their propaganda was as effective as today's.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

She oughta know, living under Hitler from 1938-45.

mountain grammy

(26,647 posts)
6. They seem to have the ability to know the difference between terrorists and refugees.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:17 AM
Nov 2015

At this point, they appear much more sane, rational, and humanitarian than Americans, in my opinion.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
8. I see. So your OP was directed strictly at people in the US.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:19 AM
Nov 2015

Even though the quote was from a European.

It's clear now.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
17. This is probably Göring's most famous quote of all
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:11 AM
Nov 2015

In case you want the original: "Natürlich, das einfache Volk will keinen Krieg […] Aber schließlich sind es die Führer eines Landes, die die Politik bestimmen, und es ist immer leicht, das Volk zum Mitmachen zu bringen, ob es sich nun um eine Demokratie, eine faschistische Diktatur, um ein Parlament oder eine kommunistische Diktatur handelt. […] Das ist ganz einfach. Man braucht nichts zu tun, als dem Volk zu sagen, es würde angegriffen, und den Pazifisten ihren Mangel an Patriotismus vorzuwerfen und zu behaupten, sie brächten das Land in Gefahr. Diese Methode funktioniert in jedem Land." - Interview mit Gustave Gilbert in der Gefängniszelle, 18. April 1946, Nürnberger Tagebuch (1962; Originalausgabe: "Nuremberg Diary" 1947)

In English-speaking circles, that one is even more famous than his "Meier" quote early on in the war: "Wenn auch nur ein feindliches Flugzeug unser Reichsgebiet überfliegt, will ich Meier heißen!" (If just one enemy plane flies over the territory of the Reich, then my name is Meier!--a LOT of Germans were making some nasty "Meier" jokes before the war ended)

By the way, one of THE best movies about the senseless of war was a German film from the 1950s: "Die Brücke (The Bridge)." Just brilliant. The regional commandant knows the war will be over in a few days, and orders "no unnecessary deaths." A bunch of gung-ho teenage boys are called up, and can't wait to get into uniform, grab their guns and save the Reich. Their parents are horrified. They are ordered to guard a bridge, which turns out to be the bridge over a small stream running through their home village. Instead of no unnecessary deaths....well you can guess the rest. It does not end well.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
22. Thanks to everyone who replied.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:26 PM
Nov 2015

I've been cautious about this sort of thing ever since I first read that fake quote from Julius Caesar that did the rounds shortly after 9/11 and thought "that doesn't sound like Shakespeare".

DFW

(54,436 posts)
25. Like they say here in Germany
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:52 PM
Nov 2015

Vertrauen ist gut. Kontrolle ist besser.

(Trust is good, verification is better)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
35. "The problem with Internet quotes is that you very often can't verify their authenticity"
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

Abraham Lincoln

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
36. That's not a bogus quote
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

He said it during his deposition at the Nuremberg Trial. I've also read it in more than one book. I can see how one might think it could be bogus because it so perfectly describes the BushCo response to 9/11, and it was around that time that this quote started getting attention again. I've always said the Republicans learned a great deal from the Nazis.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
18. This statement was and is true
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

Both al-Qa'ida and ISIS were created and established with guidance from the CIA, who recruited and armed these religious fanatics to fight against enemies the American public wouldn't quite get behind openly fighting with the US military.

After 9/11 and the blatant and unbelievable lies the US government told about them, it's very clear to see that even though we've been using these extremists to fight covert wars for us (in Afghanistan in the 80's, Syria now), they also serve as the designated perpetrators when a terrorist attack is staged. Why stage false flag terrorist attacks? Because it's the best way to drum of public fear and anxiety and justify the routing of more public dollars into the defense/security industry and the many corporations that benefit as a result.

If anyone has seen the movie "V for Vendetta", you will get a fictional picture of how easily a government can stage attacks against its own people, blame the designated enemy, cow the public into obedience, and make war and profit. The movie is a fictional reenactment of a 9/11-type attack and features a mask-wearing hero "V" who fights to uncover the plot. It inspired hacker group Anonymous and is a good movie to see.

If people would simply understand how easily our government can tell us damn near anything and have us believe it, then they'd be angry and on the White House lawn with pitchforks.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
29. You are the quiet sensible voice in the crowd. Your post gets to the true meaning of the quote
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:07 PM
Nov 2015

in the OP.

All the partisan back and forth, cynical on one side and sympathetic on the other, is still based on a false narrative, as you point out.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. My thoughts exactly. Do those being manipulated realize they are, if not then we are
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

obligated to tell them.

I feel the same obligation here as I do with voting rights.

When you republicans read that quote, and look around and what is happening, do you at least stop for a second?

I know you are reading this.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. Use the Social Media buttons at the bottom of the OP. That helps get it around, especially if
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:35 PM
Nov 2015

everyone does it!

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
20. One of the ironies of history...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

... Goring was ridiculed so much by the Allies as a point of policy (not that he didn't give plenty of ammunition), that we tend to forget he was actually a pretty smart cookie.

-- Mal

snort

(2,334 posts)
32. Mal, I've come to the
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:38 PM
Nov 2015

conclusion that it is a mistake to conflate smart with clever. I think its entirely possible for a person to be quite clever but not particularly bright. I've known a few, and some smart ones who couldn't MacGyver if they had to. Maybe this is why we have flash in the pan celebrities as well.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
34. cunning. we even apply it to animals.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

no higher thought processes needed, just good instinct and drive.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
21. My Exact Thoughts
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:00 PM
Nov 2015

This is what I watched unfold on my TV screen. It is like 9/11 all over again. PTSD anyone? I feel like I am back there watching another horror movie. The media are sure stirring it up. It seems well orchestrated. ISIS is laughing.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. The problem is that people insiste on electing leaders, on following leaders.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:01 PM
Nov 2015

I vote for Representatives. The President, members of Congress, Governors, Mayors, and Dog Catchers in municipalities that elect that office are my representatives. I can damn well decide for myself if a course of action is necessary or wise.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
28. Republicans were only at the Nuremburg Trials to take notes
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

when Göring and other fascists were giving their testimonies.

Today, U.S. media is ginning up fear, fear, FEAR, with 24/7 coverage of frightening scenes in Europe, and beating those war-drums LOUDLY.

Wish they were as diligent in reporting 24/7 the flag-draped caskets of American soldiers coming home from Afghanistan and Iraq. But of course, that would shorten the war and minimize profits for the MiC.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
42. Or, I mean, you could actually have a civilian population BEING attacked.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

That can happen too. Its not like we're making up dead bodies in concert halls in Paris.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
46. How about all the civilian populations being attacked
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:53 PM
Nov 2015

by drones. Sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers... little kids, isn't the saying something like mow the grass before it grows with the drone guys?

Or the millions who were attacked by campaigns with names like "shock and awe". They aren't French or American, but they are still people.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
47. So you are saying that you give a pass to ISIS?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:41 AM
Nov 2015

Because that sure as hell what is sounds like you're saying.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
50. Either you know bloody well I didn't say that
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:23 AM
Nov 2015

and you're deliberately trying to be provocative, or you need to go back to school for a good reading comprehension course.
Either way, grow up and quit acting like a damned fool.


cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
49. And Regrettably - Too Many Citizens Are Transfixed And Immobilized By Fear
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:07 AM
Nov 2015

All reasoning stops and the control takes hold.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. I have had the news in the background well due to well work
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:51 AM
Nov 2015

and I noticed a clear line of demarcation between French TV and our fear inducing well you know. We think we are far less susceptible to it for personal reasons. But on the level of scaring the pants off people, it has been fucking brilliant.

I think it is even better than 911 actually.

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