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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:41 PM Nov 2015

Is Trump trying to reform the Republican Party or is just the biggest troll in America?

I have a sense that maybe Trump is trying to reform the Republican Party into more of a european far right party: closer to the left (or populist) on economic issues, but hard hard right on immigrants / minorities and also hyper nationalist.

Of course, he could just be America's biggest troll, feeding his super ego and in the process ruining the image of the Republican Party.

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Is Trump trying to reform the Republican Party or is just the biggest troll in America? (Original Post) AZ Progressive Nov 2015 OP
He's a narcissistic troll. This is all about feeding his ego. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #1
He's the perfect mouthpiece for today's GOP. randome Nov 2015 #2
I just have trouble believing anyone with half a brain cell believes the crap he does dlwickham Nov 2015 #3
I think you'll be waiting a long time NastyRiffraff Nov 2015 #8
I know dlwickham Nov 2015 #12
Trump's a narcissistic moron who's using a rabid mob of right wing morons to inflate his own ego MrScorpio Nov 2015 #4
Trump is spraying his name on things... JHB Nov 2015 #5
On economics, he's just another "make the rich even richer" GOPer; so, World's Biggest Troll muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #6
Who says they're mutually exclusive? n/t malthaussen Nov 2015 #7
I've between wondering if they've let him be so outrageous so later they can say uppityperson Nov 2015 #9
There is no over-arching 'they'. The GOP is rudderless and headed for the rocks. randome Nov 2015 #11
Immature, malignant egomaniac on a new conquest. moondust Nov 2015 #10
At this point, I think he's seeing how much abuse the media will take gratuitous Nov 2015 #13
I wonder if he's testing the RW waters for just libdem4life Nov 2015 #14
I doubt he has an agenda beyond narcissistic-sociopathic self-promotion Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #15
Kind of hard to "reform" when you make fun of people with disabilities and 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #16
"ruining the image of the" Repuke party? From my angle, it's ruined to start with. UTUSN Nov 2015 #17

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
1. He's a narcissistic troll. This is all about feeding his ego.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

He couldn't care less about reforming the GOP, or doing anything positive for the US and for anyone but himself. His primary skill is marketing: He's spouting xenophobic and hateful bullshit because he knows it sells with the mouth-breathers in the GOP; who knows if he even believes his own bullshit? But he wants to be president only for the greater glory of himself.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. He's the perfect mouthpiece for today's GOP.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
Nov 2015

Directionless and self-serving. No sense of organization. No sense of purpose other than winning.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
3. I just have trouble believing anyone with half a brain cell believes the crap he does
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:49 PM
Nov 2015

I'm still waiting for a giant gotcha

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
8. I think you'll be waiting a long time
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:15 PM
Nov 2015

Trump's ego is so bloated that he believes whatever he says should be automatically approved by everyone else. Whether or not he believes what he's saying is unknown. Personally, I think he believes most if not all of it.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
4. Trump's a narcissistic moron who's using a rabid mob of right wing morons to inflate his own ego
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:56 PM
Nov 2015

Everything about that situation is toxic.

The promotion of violent thugs, the designation of "enemies" who are blamed for society's ills that are attacked by those thugs.

The raw, uncut nationalism.

The encouragement of national violence...

This is how fascist dictators are born.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
5. Trump is spraying his name on things...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

...just as he's always done.

The bigger concern is The combination of Trump and Cruz, and how either one playing kingmaker for the other strengthens Cruz in pushing a radical-right agenda.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
6. On economics, he's just another "make the rich even richer" GOPer; so, World's Biggest Troll
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015
But I do want to weigh in for a minute on Donald Trump’s tax plan — which would, surprise, lavish huge cuts on the wealthy while blowing up the deficit. That’s in contrast to Jeb Bush’s plan, which would lavish huge cuts on the wealthy while blowing up the deficit, and Marco Rubio’s plan, which would lavish huge cuts on the wealthy while blowing up the deficit.

At this point there are no Republican candidates deviating at all from the usual pattern. Why, it’s almost as if nobody in the party ever cared about deficits except as an excuse to slash social spending, and is totally committed to redistributing income upward.

And there is, of course, no evidence — zero, nada, zilch — that cutting taxes on the rich will yield large economic benefits.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/and-then-there-were-none/

When talking about taxes in this campaign, Donald Trump has often sounded like a different kind of Republican. He says he will take on “the hedge fund guys” and their carried interest loophole. He thinks it’s “outrageous” how little tax some multimillionaires pay. But his plan calls for major tax cuts not just for the middle class but also for the richest Americans — even the dreaded hedge fund managers. And despite his campaign’s assurances that the plan is “fiscally responsible,” it would grow budget deficits by trillions of dollars over a decade.

You could call Mr. Trump’s plan a higher-energy version of the tax plan Jeb Bush announced earlier this month: similar in structure, but with lower rates and wider tax brackets, meaning individual taxpayers would pay even less than under Mr. Bush, and the government would lose even more tax revenue.
...
A document from the Trump campaign says all these tax cuts would be “fully paid for” by the elimination of deductions and by a one-time tax on foreign profits of American firms held abroad. That math simply does not add up: As discussed above, rich people do not currently take enough tax deductions to offset the tax rate cuts Mr. Trump proposes, and the one-time foreign profits tax might raise $250 billion, not close to the trillions of revenue that would be lost through tax rate cuts.

At a news conference Monday, Mr. Trump offered another way his tax plan would pay for itself: economic growth, perhaps as fast as 6 percent a year, again a higher-energy estimate than the 4 percent Mr. Bush has proposed. But there is no evidence to support the idea that such rapid growth can be produced through tax cuts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/upshot/trump-plan-is-tax-cut-for-the-rich-even-hedge-fund-managers.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

He does bear a similarity to Rush Limbaugh, though. I suppose theyt could fight it out for the Biggest Troll title.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
9. I've between wondering if they've let him be so outrageous so later they can say
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

"Look at the other candidates. See, we have reasonable ones, vote for them!"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. There is no over-arching 'they'. The GOP is rudderless and headed for the rocks.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

moondust

(19,958 posts)
10. Immature, malignant egomaniac on a new conquest.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015

Has anybody even asked him if maybe he shouldn't run for a seat in local or state government or maybe a House seat first to get some basic understanding of how government works and its limitations?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. At this point, I think he's seeing how much abuse the media will take
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

So far, he hasn't crossed any lines with the media that I can see. Reports on Trump are remarkably devoid of criticism or analysis. He's ridiculing reporters, mocking them for disabilities, dictating what they should and shouldn't report on (and how), and all kinds of other disrespectful treatment. I've seen it with bullies time and again, and many of them get away with it for a long time. When will the media hold Trump accountable? Magic 8 Ball says, "Reply Hazy; Ask Again Later."

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
16. Kind of hard to "reform" when you make fun of people with disabilities and
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:44 AM
Nov 2015

ask your fans to beat up an African American protester.

He did real (awful) things to real people, its kind of hard to go "HA HA sorry guys I was just trollin'".

At this point all the GOP has to do is disavow him and move on, they really don't need the fringe UFO/"Teh Jews control everything!" crowd to come close to winning and the democratic party don't want them.

He's overplayed his cards (that is if he was ever playing to begin with).

I don't see how Don the Dumbass comes out of this as a winner in any way, his name is tainted and his political future is done.

UTUSN

(70,645 posts)
17. "ruining the image of the" Repuke party? From my angle, it's ruined to start with.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015

But as for TRUMP, the Narcissism and megalomania is all there is, supreme power for himself. He's a self-promoter like O'LOOFAH and Bahbwah WAHWAH. If he could have taken over some other party easier and completely he would have run under whatever label.

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