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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:30 PM Dec 2015

Students: Rename building called 'Lynch' after ex-president (not the Onion)

ANNVILLE, Pa. (AP) - Students at a small Pennsylvania college are demanding that administrators rename a building called "Lynch Memorial Hall" because of the racial overtones of the word "lynch."

The building is named after Clyde A. Lynch, who was president of Lebanon Valley College from 1932 until his death in 1950.

Students want school officials to either rename the building entirely or add Lynch's first name and middle initial, saying the word recalls the public executions of black men by white mobs in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

It was included on a list of demands that students presented to the school on Friday. Other demands include a more diverse curriculum, more sensitivity training for staff and regular surveys of the racial climate on campus.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20151208_ap_6d12912e4b50492b9a3cbf68d9e7f0c7.html#r8EwoXCuW7PfMVk7.99


I guess when students are desperately seeking stuff to be offended about a sign that includes the word "Lynch" is an irresistible target.
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Students: Rename building called 'Lynch' after ex-president (not the Onion) (Original Post) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 OP
The College is not doing its job. The students did not do theirs. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #1
LOL, WTF? linuxman Dec 2015 #2
The building renaming demand is just silly...... marmar Dec 2015 #3
It is sad they don't realize that this hurts their more legit desires PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #15
Yeah Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #53
:/ Go Vols Dec 2015 #4
The outrage addicts have fucked all the low hanging fruit and are climbing higher up the tree. Throd Dec 2015 #5
These offended Delicate Flower student groups are entirely out of control. WillowTree Dec 2015 #6
I'm guessing this college doesn't have a brain surgery program. NaturalHigh Dec 2015 #7
The dumbing down continues! TM99 Dec 2015 #8
It's like watching a duck try to fuck a football, hifiguy Dec 2015 #22
No thanks. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #50
did they just get lancer78 Dec 2015 #9
And everyone in the US with the surname Lynch should be immediately renamed Doctor_J Dec 2015 #10
I wish these types of articles listed the names of the students involved Township75 Dec 2015 #11
+1000000000000000000 SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #29
Looks like my best friend from childhood is going to have to change his name. KamaAina Dec 2015 #12
My favorite film director, too. hifiguy Dec 2015 #23
And a fine, albeit deceased character actor Doctor_J Dec 2015 #28
Seattle's star running back doesn't talk, so that's not an issue. Maybe they should be worried madinmaryland Dec 2015 #38
And sadly they are serious. PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #13
And we can thank the keyboard SJW of the intertubes for helping to create these idiots snooper2 Dec 2015 #14
I can certainly understand why you focus on merely one of their many requests LanternWaste Dec 2015 #16
My OP title was the headline of the linked article. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #18
What the pluperfect hell is a "diverse curriculum"? 1939 Dec 2015 #57
I actually think they are being reasonable edhopper Dec 2015 #17
Or they could just educate themselves kiva Dec 2015 #19
Sounds like they know why it's named that edhopper Dec 2015 #24
I read the article, kiva Dec 2015 #25
We have a difference of opinion /nt edhopper Dec 2015 #34
I agree philosslayer Dec 2015 #32
only an idiot would think the building is named for mob violence against minorities.... mike_c Dec 2015 #58
Anyone who visits a campus teenagebambam Dec 2015 #59
Jesus H Christ in combat boots. There are NO WORDS for this kind of stupid. hifiguy Dec 2015 #20
THE LOCAL ART HOUSE THEATER MUST IMMEDIATELY CEASE SHOWING MULHOLLAND DRIVE, Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #45
By their "logic", which they apparently pinched from Hannity hifiguy Dec 2015 #46
No hay banda. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #49
I lived in Annville for two years.... mike_c Dec 2015 #60
And fire the Attorney General!! B2G Dec 2015 #21
Morons. romanic Dec 2015 #26
Kiddie Newspeak has gone too far Warpy Dec 2015 #27
Well, the hall could have been named after Borden... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #30
They should rename anything named after Barney Frank because it offends vegetarians Bucky Dec 2015 #31
Or trying to connect a green dinosaur to a freaking hot dog. madinmaryland Dec 2015 #39
Imagine all the people who are triggered by buildings named after Lyndon Johnson Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #42
At least the buildings are not named HUGH Johnson!! SERIESLY!!! madinmaryland Dec 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #33
Adding his first name seems reasonable enough. Matariki Dec 2015 #35
Madeline Rape Kalidurga Dec 2015 #36
I think "ridiculous request hall" has a nice ring to it Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #43
I think I don't give a damn about how people have suffered historically has a better ring to it. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #44
Sure, except the English language is complex and some words have multiple meanings. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #47
Yet, it's okay to ignore people who have every right to not like the name. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #54
It's also okay to delineate exactly where understanding & accomodation turn into silliness Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #61
So you object to simply adding the first name or the initials to the plaque Kalidurga Dec 2015 #62
I want people to understand viscerally that even though the name shares the same series of letters Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #65
"Rapeseed" needs to be renamed "Affirmative Consent Seed" (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #52
Good idea Kalidurga Dec 2015 #55
Well now you've just gone and brought sense into it. DemocraticWing Dec 2015 #66
This is racist against Irish people!!! smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #37
Did someone just mention the Fighting Amish?? madinmaryland Dec 2015 #40
They could save money by just swapping out one letter and calling it "Lunch Memorial Hall" Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #41
The last name of the Attorney General of the United States- an AA woman- is "Lynch" Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #48
wow, I used to be on the faculty at LVC.... mike_c Dec 2015 #56
And the PC police strike again. Initech Dec 2015 #63
I wish we had a like button philosslayer Dec 2015 #67
So sick of people bashing these students loyalsister Dec 2015 #64
I know, right? Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #68
What are they "going through" by being exposed to a hifiguy Dec 2015 #69
They have been working very hard to educate people about loyalsister Dec 2015 #71
Wait... What?!? nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #70

marmar

(77,088 posts)
3. The building renaming demand is just silly......
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dec 2015

..... the rest of the demands seem perfectly reasonable.


PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
15. It is sad they don't realize that this hurts their more legit desires
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:43 PM
Dec 2015

If I didn't personally know some people with this mindset, I would think these ideas were being planted as a form of sabotoge. Which even if that was the case, that doesn't let these people off the hook for being stupid enough to think it makes sense. I wonder how much of this comes from the mindset that all ideas from out friends/allies/whatever are good ideas that we must support. I've seen that a bit, and never really understood why people are reluctant to tell some people that they don't agree with everything they say just because they support many of the same causes. I am rambling. Sorry.

Dorian Gray

(13,499 posts)
53. Yeah
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:49 PM
Dec 2015

it makes me roll my eyes at them and ignore the more important things that should be discussed. I'd move on to other people who don't include ridiculous demands.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
5. The outrage addicts have fucked all the low hanging fruit and are climbing higher up the tree.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

I applaud them in their efforts, if only for comedic purposes.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
11. I wish these types of articles listed the names of the students involved
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:23 PM
Dec 2015

We could start a Do Not Hire national database. Seriously could you imagine having to work with people like this??!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
29. +1000000000000000000
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

"are you now or have you ever been part of a protest movement for something completely fucking ridiculous?"

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. Looks like my best friend from childhood is going to have to change his name.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

Not to mention the Attorney General and Seattle's star running back, both of whom are African American.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
38. Seattle's star running back doesn't talk, so that's not an issue. Maybe they should be worried
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:58 PM
Dec 2015

about the Potatoes and Dan Snyder.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
13. And sadly they are serious.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:35 PM
Dec 2015

One good thing is that the more ridiculous things like this are not being received well in general. I just hope that sinks in and they realize they are doing more harm than good. It just makes it harder to defend more legimate issues when people on the other side can lump everything in with bs like this.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
14. And we can thank the keyboard SJW of the intertubes for helping to create these idiots
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:37 PM
Dec 2015

Imagine when they start entering the workplace-


All the poor HR managers and directors of the World

HELP HELP somebody entered my SAFE SPACE!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. I can certainly understand why you focus on merely one of their many requests
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

I can certainly understand why you focus on and lampoon merely one of their many request, as it would serve your bias poorly to mock a diverse curriculum or surveys on racial climate. I'd also do my best to pretend that wasn't the case at all, and possibly even act offended myself at the mere suggestion.

Goodness... college students behaving silly. What a sad state of affairs we've come to

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
18. My OP title was the headline of the linked article.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:59 PM
Dec 2015

All the stories about this focus on the "Lynch" issue.

1939

(1,683 posts)
57. What the pluperfect hell is a "diverse curriculum"?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

Is there a special version of differential equations for POC?

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
17. I actually think they are being reasonable
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:03 PM
Dec 2015

they don't want his name taken away.Just asks for the full name.


kiva

(4,373 posts)
19. Or they could just educate themselves
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

about the name of the building...since this is college and they are presumably improving their critical thinking skills.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
24. Sounds like they know why it's named that
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

they just don't like the way it sounds and the connotations.

Students want school officials to either rename the building entirely or add Lynch's first name and middle initial, saying the word recalls the public executions of black men by white mobs in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
25. I read the article,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

I simply think the students are wrong. Who exactly are they worried about misinterpreting the name? If they know why it's called the Lynch building, who else do they think will be talking about the building? Parents? Other students?

If they truly can't let such a word pass their lips, maybe they can refer to it as "The building that shall be nameless" or maybe "The building that I go to for the critical thinking class that I'm failing."

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
32. I agree
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:02 PM
Dec 2015

It could be very jarring for a first time visitor to the campus who doesn't have the proper context. Seems like a reasonable enough request.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
58. only an idiot would think the building is named for mob violence against minorities....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:02 PM
Dec 2015

College buildings are generally named after their purpose (Science A, West Gym) or after a person. We have a building on my campus named Seimen Hall, pronounced "semen hall." It's the butt of occasional jokes, but no one really thinks it's named for ejaculate.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
59. Anyone who visits a campus
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:04 PM
Dec 2015

and legitimately believes that an educational building was named after the act of lynching deserves to be jarred.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
45. THE LOCAL ART HOUSE THEATER MUST IMMEDIATELY CEASE SHOWING MULHOLLAND DRIVE,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:08 PM
Dec 2015

BLUE VELVET, ERASERHEAD, and DUNE


Okay, honestly, they're probably not showing Dune anyway

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
60. I lived in Annville for two years....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

The "local art theater" is probably in Baltimore. The college is a church school-- Methodist, IIRC? I think parents send their kids there because just about the worst trouble they can get into is cow tipping Mennonite Guernseys.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
27. Kiddie Newspeak has gone too far
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:43 PM
Dec 2015

By objecting to things like common surnames, they're making some legitimate objections to hate speech look frivolous by association.

At some point, people are going to have to look at these obstreporous brats and tell them "NO!"

This might be one of those times.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
30. Well, the hall could have been named after Borden...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:50 PM
Dec 2015

...or a hall named after Hogg as at U. of Texas.

Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
35. Adding his first name seems reasonable enough.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

The county I live in renamed itself from King County (after William R.) to King County (after Martin Luther). A marked improvement, I'd say

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
36. Madeline Rape
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:52 PM
Dec 2015

Is a real name. If she that had been the name of the college president how many people would like the name of the hall to be the
Rape Memorial Hall. The request is not ridiculous at all.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. Sure, except the English language is complex and some words have multiple meanings.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:13 PM
Dec 2015

far be it for me to suggest that people try to grasp both the context and complexity of language instead of knee-jerking against a name which is the same as a different word but contains a completely different underlying meaning.

Yes, much better to eliminate wrongthink and reduce language to the most bare essentials because speech is bad and dangerous and doubleplusungood.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
54. Yet, it's okay to ignore people who have every right to not like the name.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:54 PM
Dec 2015

It must be uber expensive to add the first name to the hall and or to put his initials on the plaque.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
61. It's also okay to delineate exactly where understanding & accomodation turn into silliness
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:20 AM
Dec 2015

and this is well into silliness territory.

I don't think the current Attorney General is any great shakes, but should she eventually become a historical figure of great reknown, what then? She can't have any stuff named after her because her last name happens to be synonymous with a violent act?

Should we rename Kill Devil Hills because the name promotes murder and devil worship?


Also, college students are supposed to be operating on a certain intellectual level. One hopes (at least I do) that that level is at least advanced enough that they are able to comprehend the difference - and that there IS a difference - between the linguistic semantic representation of the thing (i.e. words) and that which the word represents.

To do otherwise is to confuse the map with the territory, the menu with the meal.

In this case, though, I guess not.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
62. So you object to simply adding the first name or the initials to the plaque
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:47 AM
Dec 2015

it seems more an act of obstinace than an intellectual exercise, but each to their own I guess.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
65. I want people to understand viscerally that even though the name shares the same series of letters
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:07 AM
Dec 2015

it doesn't mean even close to the same thing, and it is the meaning - not the series of letters - that is the thing they have their problem with.

Beyond that, I don't really care what this particular school does, but I think this is silly, to the point where I read these stories and I seriously start to wonder if some of this shit isn't some kind of deep cover Koch-bros funded performance art with the express purpose of making "liberals" look ridiculous.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
66. Well now you've just gone and brought sense into it.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:36 AM
Dec 2015

How dare you muck up the narrative like that? Don't you know good liberals who watch Bill Maher and jerk off to South Park have to complain incessantly about minorities and college students? It's in the code!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
48. The last name of the Attorney General of the United States- an AA woman- is "Lynch"
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:19 PM
Dec 2015

I guess despite her position of historic prominence, she can never have anything named after her.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
56. wow, I used to be on the faculty at LVC....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

It was a pretty parochial place twenty years ago, in every sense of the word.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
64. So sick of people bashing these students
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:56 AM
Dec 2015

I know them, and the real children are the people who get off on making themselves feel surperior by minimizing what they go through.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
69. What are they "going through" by being exposed to a
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015
perfectly common Irish surname? Do explain.

I repeat, Jebus Haploid Christ in combat boots.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
71. They have been working very hard to educate people about
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:09 PM
Dec 2015

the systemic racism that defines their experience and where it began while obnoxious white people intentionally disregarded and dismissed what kind of meaning they might find in knowing that a university campus built by slaves has buildings named after prominant slave owners as is the case in Columbia, MO.
Yet, white people (even DUers) are offended at the suggestion that they should take an interest in the experience of anyone but their narcissitic selves.
How many white people have to walk by a building and be reminded of what happened to uncle Charlie at the hands of the KKK? At the very least people could listen and have a little sympathy for what it might be like rather than deriding and ridiculing them.

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