The Bundy Oregon Standoff

[SamKnause]

Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:40 PM - Edit history (2)

Has it been reported on any MSM that 80 feet of fence was removed yesterday ???

I flipped through the channels and couldn't find anything.

I couldn't find anything when I used Google.

The only information I can find is on the website page of someone who filmed

them taking down the fence.

They used heavy equipment that was at the sanctuary.

They want to allow cows into the sanctuary to graze.

The are using the computers at the sanctuary and getting the personal

information on the people who work there.

They are following these people all over town.

They are parking in front of their houses.

I thought this would be front and center.

They usually follow every tiny move that right wingers make, but they seem

to be ignoring what these criminals are doing.

Some Republicans have come out in support of the Bundy's.

Some of the local police support the Bundy's.

How many more laws are these criminals going to break before this ends ???



P.S. I am in no way shape or form calling for violence. This could have been

handled in an intelligent way. It seems many are being allowed to aid and abet the

unlawful occupants.

[KittyWampus]

1. Cattle are very destructive. The Federal Govt. is looking inept, IMO.

[yellerpup]

7. Don't blame the cows.

The Militia knocked down the fence, not the cattle.

[Sienna86]

2. I understanding a little waiting versus potential loss of life...

But I don't understand why these armed individuals are being allowed to leave the premises or have access to replenishments. Is there a perimeter set up?

[GetRidOfThem]

3. Government ties its own hands

The issue is simple: Janet Reno got a ton of flack for the fire at Waco and David Koresh. Ever since we have been extremely weak at enforcing the law against self-styled armed activists. The error in this is that Koresh had been heavily armed and was leading an anti-government standoff, and Reno tried to have the rule of law prevail. She should never have gotten flack for Koresh's murderous suicide.

The situation with Bundy is similar. Nobody wants to risk bloodshed, though he is provoking it. Government needs to see this for what it is - a standoff against the rule of law, and Government can't lose, fail, or seem weak.

My two cents...

[Cassiopeia]

12. That may be true to some degree

but there's no effort to contain these fools.

I understand not storming the building under a hail of gunfire, but they can set up a perimeter and arrest anyone that tries to enter or exit the compound area. They can cut the power making life uncomfortable for these fools without firing a single shot.

I've gone on camping trips that are far less accommodating than this situation. it's just insane that absolutely nothing is being done. There's caution and then there's completely ignoring the situation.

[homegirl]

23. Ditto

At a minimum a perimeter controlling access and exits.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Perimeter. The refuge is 293 squre miles. The City of Chicago is 234 square miles.

Big perimeter.

[Cassiopeia]

38. That's one massive building!

Really? You think this tiny group occupies the entire refuge?

Surround the building within a safe distance. I'm betting a small perimeter at about a 1/4 mile from the central building would do it.

[onethatcares]

31. cut the power

we as tax paying citizens are paying for the power bills. I don't want to pay for their comfort.

[santafe52]

15. Janet Reno?

The WACO thing happened during George Herbert Walker Bush's administration.

Reno worked for Clinton. She was involved in saving the Cuban kid in Florida and returning him to his Dad.

[RantinRavin]

17. Incorrect

Waco occurred April 1993

[MynameisBlarney]

25. Pretty sure Waco happened during the Clinton administration

nt

[KittyWampus]

36. Waco was begun during Bush's tenure. BUSH started the whole botched thing-

Koresh wasn't holed up in his house.

The Federal Agents could have nabbed him outside and kept the others out of harm's way.

[RandiFan1290]

4. The trolls are shifting

The ones that were calling for calm are now starting to criticize the Feds and President.

What a shock!

[SamKnause]

6. ???

[RandiFan1290]

8. Read the threads

Most of the people that were calling for calm and to wait them out are now starting to criticize the Feds and President for allowing the terrorists to continue.

[SamKnause]

9. Thanks.

[MohRokTah]

20. + 1,000,000,000,000 eom

[ncjustice80]

54. Not sure why that post was hidden.

[Ernest Partridge]

10. Starve them out!

The solution is obvious and compelling: SIEGE!

Cut the phone lines. Cut the power. Close all access roads. No supplies.

Arrest any militia that exit the perimeter. No more visits to town.

Then wait them out. It's bone-chilling cold in eastern Oregon.

What the Hell are the Feds waiting for?

[Fuddnik]

24. Warm weather?

[jalan48]

11. As I posted in another thread there are reports of intimidation taking place.

Locals and law enforcement are being followed home where unknown "protesters" sit in cars observing the targeted citizens movements in their homes. Citizens are also being followed by militia members as they move around the community. The Sheriff has suggested citizens take alternating routes when driving, for their own safety.

[PatrickforO]

28. Yeah and this is what the nation will look like when these fucks take over.

Is this what we want?

[MynameisBlarney]

32. Links?

Maybe my search-fu is bad, but I can't find anything like that.

[jalan48]

35. Here is the article from our paper.

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33944701-75/story.csp

[MynameisBlarney]

43. Thanks!

I posted this DU article on Raw Story, and wanted to have something to flesh it out a bit.

[jalan48]

46. Thanks for getting the word out.

I find this situation very disturbing.

[MynameisBlarney]

47. I feel it's my duty.

And yes, it IS very disturbing.

[RandiFan1290]

39. Here's another

https://twitter.com/HarneyCoSheriff

[MynameisBlarney]

44. Thank you as well.

Much appreciated.

[rjsquirrel]

13. It was on OregonLive

Late last night.

I've found it to be the best place to follow the news from Burns. They live-update all day and have several folks on the ground tweeting.

[Takket]

14. This is lunacy......

I was all for isolating them in the refuge and letting them sulk until they go home, but it sounds more and more like the are taking over the entire town and residents are being terrorized. how can this happen on our own soil??????????? If they want to freeze in the refuge fine but they should NOT be allowed on and off the property to intimidate people and resupply.

How hard would it be to pack a few drones full of a sleep inducing gas and smash them through the windows of the building. put them to sleep and let them wake up in jail.

[Moostache]

22. NO...too expensive.

Quarantine their movements, allow egress but no re-entry and when they DO leave to avoid starving or freezing, arrest them and try them in a court of law. They don't like that? Go tell the native Americans your troubles and see how many fucks THEY give...

[uponit7771]

49. +1, my understanding is the residents wanted them to leave already

[newfie11]

16. Enough is enough

The longer this goes on the more embolden others like them will become.
Send in the military and take them out!
These idiots have the total mentality
Of a flea.

[ncjustice80]

53. Agreed.

These reich wing fucks can't be allowed to stand.

[Enthusiast]

18. Destruction of property.

[elmac]

19. and the charges keep adding up.

If there are local police that support them they should be fired on the spot. Every day the Feds let this drag out is another day they look weaker and the nutjobs look stronger. The feds have no problem taking down someone who can't fight back. I guess their true colors are showing.

[MohRokTah]

21. Same shit was said during the Bundy Ranch standoff

Nobody was arrested. Nobody faced any accountability.

Same shit is going to happen here.

The terrorists have won.

[jalan48]

26. Or the oligarchs storm troopers if you will.

[elmac]

30. The right wing terrorists in congress

need to get together with the Bundy terrorists and get rid of the mandatory minimums and laws that turn arson into a terrorist act. The Feds screwed up by forcing the Hammonds back to prison which just isn't right, don't care why they did it, they served their time. The Feds opened this can of worms and they don't know how to shut it down.

[KingCharlemagne]

41. WTF????? The Hammonds did NOT serve their time, as provided under statute. The judge who originally

sentenced them MADE A MISTAKE and under-sentenced them.

FFS

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Just fyi, 'local police' is Burns PD, a chief and two officers. Sheriff's department is about the

same. The Feds are in charge, the only entities that have spoken of accountability and charges to be filed are State and County people, the Feds say noting so far.
This is a county larger than Maryland with a population just over 7,000. California has more CHP officers than Harney County has residents.

[Munificence]

37. The county

is pretty close the size of Hawaii. The Federal land there is about the size of the State of Massachusetts (75% of the county = Federal lands). I think I read somewhere (going off memory) that the County Sheriff (who handles all things in the entire county outside city limits) consists of a staff of either 6 or 7. 6 or 7 to patrol 10K square miles.

[Shrike47]

52. This is a very sparsely populated area. The sheriff has 2 deputies. The county is bigger than VT.

Local police are not supporting them. They are a huge headache.

[yellowcanine]

33. I would like to think they jumped the shark by tearing down

the fence, as well as the identity theft and invasion of privacy of the grazing permit files. But we will see. Arrest warrants may have already been issued and the Feds are waiting for the right time to serve them. I seem to recall a similar frustration with the Elian Gonzolez custody battle with the "Miami relatives" - different because there was a minor who was essentially a hostage but there are parallels.

[DhhD]

34. People living in town may have been prospecting in the county and national park for a long time.

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/gold-confiscation-ganz.html


Ranchers may have houses in town too. Ranching cattle and prospecting or mining on a very small scale, may be a way of making a living in this geographic area or region. An Australian uranium mining company will be mining in the county next year.

Cattle must be fed and watered in the desert where fences get in the way. The area has lots of mineral waters (which might be undrinkable or poisonous to grasses), steam vents, crators and lots of crystals and minerals due to volcanism.

There must be a reason that the FBI is not moving in. I think it has to do with state and federal prospecting laws and regulations on private, public and federal property which may be at odds with one another. And the same goes for grazing and watering rights.

[MineralMan]

40. There is nothing at the link to support that.

It's a gold buggery website that specializes in scare tactics. What you say may be correct, but you should delete that link. It's irrelevant to this thread and looks like advertising spam.

[peacebird]

42. CNN has reported it online

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-ranchers-protest/index.html

[MH1]

48. Thanks for that link.

I like the t shirt the lady is wearing in the photo at the end of the article. G T F O. (you can say that again!)

[RandiFan1290]

45. "I shouldn't have to be scared in my own home town."

Harney CO teen says under tears

Gets standing ovation

[uponit7771]

50. Sucks yeehawdist are allowed to terrorize the place

[valerief]

51. The government CLEARLY approves of these crimes. nt