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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:34 PM Feb 2016

What The Malheur Occupation Teaches Us About Masculinity

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:36 AM - Edit history (1)



While the folks who illegally occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed to want to overthrow the tyranny of the federal government, they seemed quite willing to leave the tyranny of patriarchy unquestioned. Their actions and organization can teach us a lot about how patriarchy works.

From the beginning, the men who occupied the refuge engaged in macho posturing with their display of guns and their blatant disregard for the law, the environment and the communities around the refuge. These are not successful men as traditional masculinity requires them to be. Many of them don't hold down regular jobs. Several have declared bankruptcy. Many have criminal records, from felony driving with a suspended license to second degree murder. Most left their families elsewhere in order to parade around with guns and wreak havoc on a remote wildlife refuge. They have felt powerless in their struggles with the federal government.

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Not surprisingly, even as we watched this toxic white masculinity play out in public, women were in the background of the occupation taking on the gendered roles assigned to them within patriarchy.

A recent story by Oregon Public Broadcasting went behind the scenes with the few women at the refuge. They were cooking, cleaning, organizing supplies and doing laundry. They served the roles women often do in conflict -- they created normalcy and offered emotional support so the men could convince themselves that what they were doing was all in a day's work, even as they committed unlawful acts, threatened violence, and defiled a public refuge. Not that some of these women didn't share the radical ideology of the men, but they defined their role in the occupation as helpers and supporters.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-m-shaw/what-malheur-occupation-patriarchy-masculinity_b_9116064.html
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One thing that I think gets lost in articles like this and the "amosexual" interpretation of the guns story is that loss of control not only threatens their masculinity, it threatens their adulthood - or rather their ability to see themselves as adults. They have got to have the guns and the swagger in order to feel grown up. Otherwise they are just little whiny kids in their terrible twos
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What The Malheur Occupation Teaches Us About Masculinity (Original Post) ashling Feb 2016 OP
The Morans will lose their guns, for sure. PeoViejo Feb 2016 #1
Well, some of them already were not allowed to have guns, but obviously did anyway. MH1 Feb 2016 #3
yep, people keep bringing up gun laws... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #5
Yeah, but we get to keep them in jail longer MH1 Feb 2016 #6
The Bundy Gang are extremist Mormons, a patriarchal religion. What do you expect from such people? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #2
We don't want to accuse a revered religious group of patriarchal dominionist tendencies. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #4
Obesity, stupidity and gunnuttery are not masculine traits jpak Feb 2016 #7
It can be stupid and unfocused on reality? Rex Feb 2016 #8
There is a difference between masculinity and patriarchy Glassunion Feb 2016 #9
This photo shows true masculinity / humanity Number9Dream Feb 2016 #10
I remember that article. I belive it was arthritis, and the water soothed the poor old doggy to the Glassunion Feb 2016 #11
That's correct, my friend Number9Dream Feb 2016 #14
There's nothing wrong with masculinity. romanic Feb 2016 #12
Well, the one delusional woman there with here husband, dildo dave and other douchebag snooper2 Feb 2016 #13
The don't have jobs because the have lucrative scams. Fundraising, running cattle for free on Monk06 Feb 2016 #15
do you have ashling Feb 2016 #16
It's from a live chat site and so hard to track back No live text Monk06 Feb 2016 #17
Thanks ashling Feb 2016 #18
Link? closeupready Feb 2016 #19
Oops! ... thanks ashling Feb 2016 #20
NP. closeupready Feb 2016 #21
it teaches us about gun humping cowards, not masculinity Skittles Feb 2016 #22
"toxic white masculinity" melman Feb 2016 #23
 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
1. The Morans will lose their guns, for sure.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know what that will do to their Masculinity, but the NRA is sure to object.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
3. Well, some of them already were not allowed to have guns, but obviously did anyway.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

I gather that those are some of the charges against them.

Generally speaking - not just for these guys - If someone who is not legally allowed to possess or carry a firearm, is caught with one, does the government confiscate it? Does it get sold and the money go to defray the costs of enforcing the law? (seems like it should) Or just melted down? (that would be a shame in the case of a genuine antique or something with sentimental value to, for example, non-criminal family members)

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
5. yep, people keep bringing up gun laws...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

and actually think that these yahoos would actually obey them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. The Bundy Gang are extremist Mormons, a patriarchal religion. What do you expect from such people?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:44 PM
Feb 2016

I mean really. Leaving out that very important fact is reckless and seems agenda driven.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
4. We don't want to accuse a revered religious group of patriarchal dominionist tendencies.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

That would be disrespectful of their faith and likely to offend an armed and dangerous sect. We won't mention decades of aggressively opportunistic land purchases and colonization of the surrounding western states.

We can't have that in modern journalism any more than basic research into supporting historical information. We don't want to insult those who cannot think for themselves. It would alienate our revered sponsors and corporate masters.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. It can be stupid and unfocused on reality?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

Usually authoritarianism and masculinity go hand in hand.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
9. There is a difference between masculinity and patriarchy
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

The patriarchy is quite evident in the roles on display.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
11. I remember that article. I belive it was arthritis, and the water soothed the poor old doggy to the
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

point, that it was only in the water could the poor fella sleep.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
12. There's nothing wrong with masculinity.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

It's machismo, masculinity mixed with false pride, that's the problem.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. Well, the one delusional woman there with here husband, dildo dave and other douchebag
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

Was in multiple videos with her rifle sitting around the fire READY FOR BATTLE!

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
15. The don't have jobs because the have lucrative scams. Fundraising, running cattle for free on
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:09 PM
Feb 2016

Public lands.

Finicum was a foster care abuser who had 10 kids assigned to him by CPAs and was being paid $30,000 per kid to care for them

They are all developementally challenged kids that is why the fees for caring for them were so high

That's $300,000 per year he was pulling in with no medical or social work qualifications

Now you know how he paid for his ranch and his guns and his trips to all these militia events

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
17. It's from a live chat site and so hard to track back No live text
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:39 PM
Feb 2016

site is NoThiefsAllowed.org

Mod Keven said he was out at the Bundy ranch and there were 30 kids running around and one guy Cliven

He also said these guys are poligamists who have sister wives that they don't talk about in media He was referring to Finicum and the Bundies

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