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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:36 AM Feb 2016

The book most people have lied about reading – and it's not War and Peace

You might expect hefty Russian tome War And Peace to be the book that Britons are most likely to have lied about reading.

But children's favourite Alice's Adventures In Wonderland by Lewis Carroll is responsible for the most literary fibs, according to a BBC survey.

Those who have struggled to make any headway into Leo Tolstoy's classic, currently taking centre stage in the Sunday night TV schedule, can take heart that it is still responsible for plenty of deceit, coming fourth on the list of books that we lie to our friends about having read.

George Orwell's 1984 and JRR Tolkien's Lord Of The Rings trilogy came second and third respectively, while Tolstoy made another appearance at number five with Anna Karenina.

The erotic Fifty Shades trilogy, four Charles Dickens novels and Jane Austen classic Pride And Prejudice are among the top 20 books that Britons have lied most about reading.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/the-book-most-people-have-lied-about-reading--and-its-not-war-an/

Why would people lie about this?
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The book most people have lied about reading – and it's not War and Peace (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2016 OP
I thought it was going to be The Bible oberliner Feb 2016 #1
Yeah, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned. boston bean Feb 2016 #3
I did as well.nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #5
Yeah, I'm surprised. backscatter712 Feb 2016 #11
Same. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #25
Me, too. D. Trump, for instance. Shrike47 Feb 2016 #26
That was my first guess too. Fozzledick Feb 2016 #36
War and Peace took me 3 years sharp_stick Feb 2016 #2
Someone once said they learned Russian to see if it was any better in the original. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #8
That might have been Robert Heinlein SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #31
It took me a couple of years to finish Gravity's Rainbow. Nitram Feb 2016 #18
That one sharp_stick Feb 2016 #22
I did it by reading a chapter a day treestar Feb 2016 #23
I actually loved that book. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #28
If you skip all the philosophical digressions it's a big soap opera Retrograde Feb 2016 #39
Probably because they count watching the movie as equivalent to reading the book FLPanhandle Feb 2016 #4
50 shades of shit. It is unreadable. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #6
Are you sure it was the original version you read to your nephew? Quantess Feb 2016 #14
It took many visits. It was not the shortened version ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #21
Right on! Quantess Feb 2016 #32
I have read 13 of the 20-no lie TexasProgresive Feb 2016 #7
I've read 15. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #9
Judging by your name would I be right in assuming you've read Tolkien TexasProgresive Feb 2016 #20
I imagine it would be a very different list in the US. surrealAmerican Feb 2016 #10
I would expect to see Gone With the Wind on that list. ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2016 #35
Maybe because they assume it's a children's book? Quantess Feb 2016 #12
(depends on the kids). . .n/t annabanana Feb 2016 #15
That's just so hard for me to imagine! annabanana Feb 2016 #13
Barely breaking the midpoint at 11 whatthehey Feb 2016 #16
can't believe they included that colossally brain dead novel 50 shades of crap in this list. Javaman Feb 2016 #17
I've read all but four. Nitram Feb 2016 #19
I would thought it was the Bible kydo Feb 2016 #24
I admit, I have not read 1, 3, 6, 16 and 17 smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #27
Do you know what's even worse about 50 Shades of Gray that you might not realize? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #29
I had to read Bleak House in college. Oh, lord. And the class had 10 people in it so no hiding. Shrike47 Feb 2016 #30
I found Bleak House the most difficult Dickens to get through so far Retrograde Feb 2016 #42
my 2 favorite authors are Hebert and Tolkin …nt littlewolf Feb 2016 #33
I've read, cover to cover, 13 of the books. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #34
There are some there that I'd lie about enjoying, but other than W&P and 50 Shades... haele Feb 2016 #37
I've never read Alice in Wonderland. However I have read 1984 and the LOTR series. Glassunion Feb 2016 #38
I've read all but one and intend to keep it that way Retrograde Feb 2016 #40
The wealth of Nations by Adam Smith? Doc_Technical Feb 2016 #41

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. Yeah, I'm surprised.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

Or for those in the Utah set, the Book of Mormon - as Mark Twain put it, it's chloroform in print.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
36. That was my first guess too.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

I've found that those who thump it the loudest have no idea what's actually in it.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. War and Peace took me 3 years
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:39 AM
Feb 2016

I'd read about 150 to 200 pages, get bored and put it away for months at a time. I'd pick it up and do another 150 pages.

It was a massive slog but by gawd I got it done. By the time I'd read 500 pages I was just too invested not to finish it.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. Someone once said they learned Russian to see if it was any better in the original.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

It was even more stultifying and boring.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
18. It took me a couple of years to finish Gravity's Rainbow.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

But it was well worth it. About halfway through I really got into it. Had me laughing out loud at times.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. I did it by reading a chapter a day
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

the chapters weren't very long, so that was doable. Parts were good enough that I read several chapters.

It is a good story. The hard part is the beginning, with a lot of military stuff.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
28. I actually loved that book.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

I was completely absorbed by it, but then again I love Russian literature.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
39. If you skip all the philosophical digressions it's a big soap opera
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

It's essentially the lives of three aristocratic families during the Napoleonic wars: who's marrying whom, who's sleeping with whom, who really should be with whom, etc. Kinda like Gone with the Wind on steroids - even to the point of buying serfs. (Yes, I've read it - twice. Didn't care as much for the newest English translation: it left out my favorite line - Nikolai Rostov at his first battle: "They're shooting at me! Me, whom everyone is so fond of!&quot

Just finished Anna Karenina (and IMHO the heroine was a whiner who left a good but boring husband to chase after a pretty face, and most of the book is digression on farming methods), and I have read both Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass (I recommend reading The Annotated Alice, by Martin Gardner (if it's still in print) for the now obscure Victorian works it parodies).

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
4. Probably because they count watching the movie as equivalent to reading the book
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

I've tried a couple of times to get into War & Peace, but never made it all the way.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
6. 50 shades of shit. It is unreadable.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

I've read all the others, even that two part fairy tale, which is actually bloodier than Tolkien's multipart fairy tale.

The only way I read Alice was to my 'phew when I babysat.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
14. Are you sure it was the original version you read to your nephew?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

And not an illustrated, shortened version?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
9. I've read 15.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Feb 2016

Haven't read gray, Fitzgerald, Austen, and the other Tolstoy's beyond War and Peace-which was boring as hell.
About half of them were boring.

Hell I even tried to read Ayn Rand once. It was so bad I fell asleep after about 20 pages and never tried again. Which for me is an accomplishment since I've been known to stay up all night reading if it's an interesting book.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
20. Judging by your name would I be right in assuming you've read Tolkien
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:40 AM
Feb 2016

more than once?

I'm guilty of reading The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Silmarillion and The Children of Húrin. The 1st two several times.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
10. I imagine it would be a very different list in the US.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

The bible would top the list here, and Alice would probably not be on it.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
12. Maybe because they assume it's a children's book?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

As in, "oh sure, I know that story! I saw the Disney animation!"

I actually read Alice in Wonderland, and it's not a children's book. It's full of political metaphors, and it is also too bizzarre to be a good bedtime story for kids.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
16. Barely breaking the midpoint at 11
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:51 AM
Feb 2016

Basically the old stuff plus Catch 22 and Harry Potter for me, but sans W & P. Never even attempted it. Probably should one of these days.

I would surely imagine though that more people would lie to say they had NOT read 50 Shades. It sold by the truckload but most literate people disavow it. I (honestly!) haven't read it, but oodles of people must have.

Given that this is a British list I'm surprised The Satanic Verses is not on it. Certainly would have been 25 years ago. The joke of that one was that they saved money by not printing past page 15 or so in the mass market paperback as it was bought mostly by the curious rather than Rushdie fans.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
17. can't believe they included that colossally brain dead novel 50 shades of crap in this list.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

why on earth would anyone ever want to lie about actually reading that stinking pile of a novel?

I'm more horrified and embarrassed to admit at reading it because my GF said that "I SHOULD READ IT!!"

I held my nose and kept back the vomit the entire time.

I'm in no way a "literary snob", that book was beyond bad, it was bad on an epic scale.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
19. I've read all but four.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:38 AM
Feb 2016

I probably never will read War and Peace, Anna Karenina, Bleak House and Pride and Prejudice. Oh wait, make that 5. Why is 50 Shades on that list?

kydo

(2,679 posts)
24. I would thought it was the Bible
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

But this was a poll about Brits .... I bet if it was about the US the Bible hands down wins as the book many claim to have read but didn't really.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
29. Do you know what's even worse about 50 Shades of Gray that you might not realize?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

That it was originally written as a Twilight fan fiction novel, with Edward and Bella (you know, Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart) as the main characters.

No, seriously.

And when it grew in popularity, EL James simply changed the names of the characters and published it as 50 Shades of Gray.

So you have one mediocre novel series directly spawning another mediocre novel series.

Hell, if we're going to be publishing fan fiction, anyone want to take a shot at reworking my Chuggo novella released here at DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018626375

You too could be a millionaire literary sensation.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
30. I had to read Bleak House in college. Oh, lord. And the class had 10 people in it so no hiding.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

It put me off Dickens forever.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
42. I found Bleak House the most difficult Dickens to get through so far
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

"bleak" is a good description. I didn't care for Dickens when I was younger, but after a few decades of reading up on the period he makes more sense. IMHO, a lot of English teachers (that's teachers of English literature) seem to forget that he was writing best sellers for his contemporaries, who would of course get all the references and understand the culture: it's largely alien to us.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
34. I've read, cover to cover, 13 of the books.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

Most of the ones I've read, I've read more than once.

I haven't read

Catcher in the Rye
Harry Potter
50 Shades of Gray
David Copperfield
Bleak House
Great Expectations
Crime and Punishment

Of the ones I've read:

War and Peace is the best book I've ever read
Anna Karenina is a close second
Catch-22 is third

Despite claims of most people, I think War and Peace and Anna Karenina are very "readable" and enjoyable. Much more so than Dickens.

The 2 books that influenced my thinking most were:

Catch-22
War and Peace

haele

(12,654 posts)
37. There are some there that I'd lie about enjoying, but other than W&P and 50 Shades...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

I've read all of the others all the way through. And I wouldn't lie about not reading them, if I didn't. I'm not a fan of crushing despair or hopeless downwards spirals, but I can wade through them if the characters are realistic enough and the wallowing lightens up occasionally. I made it through Steinbeck and Sinclair, I can make it through 1984 and Catcher in the Rye.

Couldn't get through W&P (for class) in the time allotted (Nor could I finish Moby Dick for the same reason), and I refuse to pick up 50 Shades of Grey. I burned out on bodice-rippers and fan-fic long before that came out, and the few people who read it before it was "all the rage" told me the book seemed to take itself too seriously, the humor was forced, and the writing was at a clueless teen-aged drama-queen level.
I'd rather read 50 Shades of Gronk.
I am interested in the TV series of W&P, though. The production values look to be good enough that plot holes, "re-interoperating" of the original story, and other editing issues might be overcome.


BTW, to really enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (book and movie), you do need to have read the original - or watched the 8 hour BBC production.

Haele

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
38. I've never read Alice in Wonderland. However I have read 1984 and the LOTR series.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Not sure why folks would lie about reading a book. If you get called on it, it makes you look even stupider than having said you've never read it.

I'm surprised that Lord of the Flies didn't make the list.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
40. I've read all but one and intend to keep it that way
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:00 PM
Feb 2016

Have not read 50 Shades, but over the years have managed all the rest. It helps that I'm old, went through a pretentious phase in high school when I read people like Dostoyevsky (and we had to read The Great Gatsby), and recently found that Dickens makes for good audiobooks (IIRC, reading aloud was a popular pastime when his books were published).

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
41. The wealth of Nations by Adam Smith?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

Right wingers love to reference this book but I wonder
how many have actually read it.

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