Is Jeb! Bush at this point the most pathetic presidential candidate ever?

[rurallib]

DU is a source of great knowledge. I can't remember all candidates from all races in the past.

It just feels to me that with his "please clap" followed by bringing mommy out to beg people to vote for him, Jeb! has hit lows never before seen.
And then there is a PAC trotting out the worst president ever to endorse him.
Seems like Jeb!'s next move will be to buy time where he will just start crying on screen and say he just can't face his family again if he doesn't win just one.

So who was more pathetic?

[brooklynite]

1. The crowd at one of Jeb's Debate Watch Parties

[tomm2thumbs]

55. to be fair, a computer app would probably count the pictures on the wall as 'attendees'

as long as it can see their eyes

[stevenleser]

2. Yep. I mostly feel sorry for the one poster here who is obsessed with a "BFEE".

Jeb's candidacy has shown that any BFEE is about as Imperious as the Sanford Arms was an Empire.

[malthaussen]

14. Why? The putative BFEE is not predicated on popularity.

What the grey men in their grey suits think is not a function of the support of the base; arguably the persistence of the campaign and its funding of Jeb! despite the mockery of a Presidential bid demonstrates the existence of some flavor of conspiracy. And until the Convention picks a candidate, even the power of the soi-disant BFEE remains uncertain.

-- Mal

[stevenleser]

19. No, it's predicated on power to execute its agenda, and it can't even get its guy close to the GOP

nomination.

So it's powerless.

[malthaussen]

20. Assuming the popular vote determines the nomination.

Which is not necessarily the case, and would precipitate an enormous constitutional crisis if it were overridden.

-- Mal

[stevenleser]

24. Have no idea what you are trying to say here. Bush isn't getting close

to the votes he needs and he didn't dispute Iowa.

[Octafish]

41. What a nice, undemocratic pantload.

Call me obsessed or crazy: Early money seemed back the BFEE guy as inevitable. I'm glad the voters haven't seen it that way.



I wonder how many of those millionaires and billionaires benefited from BFEE policies?

Evidence of an American Plutocracy: The Larry Summers Story

By Matthew Skomarovsky
LilSis.org
Jan 10, 2011 at 19:31 EST

EXCERPT...

Another new business model Rubin and Summers made possible was Enron. Rubin had known Enron well through Goldman Sachs’s financing of the company, and recused himself from matters relating to Enron in his first year on the Clinton team. He and Summers went on to craft policies at Treasury that were essential to Enron’s lucrative energy trading business, and they were in touch with Enron executives and lobbyists all the while. Enron meanwhile won $2.4 billion in foreign development deals from Clinton’s Export-Import Bank, then run by Kenneth Brody, a former protege of Rubin’s at Goldman Sachs.

Soon after Rubin joined Citigroup, its investment banking division picked up Enron as a client, and Citigroup went on to become Enron’s largest creditor, loaning almost $1 billion to the company. As revelations of massive accounting fraud and market manipulation emerged over the next years and threatened to bring down the energy company, Rubin and Summers intervened. While Enron’s rigged electricity prices in California were causing unprecedented blackouts, Summers urged Governor Gray Davis to avoid criticizing Enron and recommended further deregulatory measures. Rubin was an official advisor to Gov. Davis on energy market issues at the time, while Citigroup was heavily invested in Enron’s fraudulent California business, and he too likely put pressure on the Governor to lay off Enron. Rubin also pulled strings at Bush’s Treasury Department in late 2001, calling a former employee to see if Treasury could ask the major rating agencies not to downgrade Enron, and Rubin also lobbied the rating agencies directly. (In all likelihood he made similar attempts in behalf of Citigroup during the recent financial crisis.) Their efforts ultimately failed, Enron went bust, thousands of jobs and pensions were destroyed, and its top executives went to jail. It’s hard to believe, but there was some white-collar justice back then.

SNIP...

Summers also starting showing up around the Hamilton Project, which Rubin had just founded with hedge fund manager Roger Altman. Altman was another Clinton official who had come from Wall Street, following billionaire Peter Peterson from Lehman Brothers to Blackstone Group, and he left Washington to found a major hedge fund in 1996. The Hamilton Project is housed in the Brookings Institution, a prestigious corporate-funded policy discussion center that serves as a sort of staging ground for Democratic elites in transition between government, academic, and business positions. The Hamilton Project would go on to host, more specifically, past and future Democratic Party officials friendly to the financial industry, and to produce a stream of similarly minded policy papers. Then-Senator Obama was the featured political speaker at Hamilton’s inaugural event in April 2006.

Summers joined major banking and political elites on Hamilton’s Advisory Council and appeared at many Hamilton events. During a discussion of the financial crisis in 2008, Summers was asked about his role in repealing Glass-Stegall, the law that forbade commercial and investment banking mergers like Citigroup. “I think it was the right thing to do,” he responded, noting that the repeal of Glass-Stegall made possible a wave of similar mergers during the recent financial crisis, such as Bank of America’s takeover of Merrill Lynch. He was arguing, in effect, that financial deregulation did not cause the financial crisis, it actually solved it. “We need a regulatory system as modern as the markets,” said Summers — quoting Rubin, who was in the room. “We need a hen house as modern as the food chain,” said the fox.

CONTINUED...

http://blog.littlesis.org/2011/01/10/evidence-of-an-american-plutocracy-the-larry-summers-story/

Of course, an open-minded journalist would see the banksters who work with the BFEE hedge their bets. Remember Glass-Steagall? After its repeal, UBS took off.

[Ghost in the Machine]

52. Calling out and mocking Octafish? He has done more research, with verifiable evidence and links,

than anyone else here. What have YOU done to draw attention to, or educate anyone, about ANYTHING here?

The BFEE is a monicker, but the power behind the Bush Family, and the length of reach of their tentacles is far and wide, as is their corruption and influence in the Banking Industry, Big Oil, Foreign Relations, the Courts and Politics. Poppy Bush's father tried to overthrow our Government with a Military Coup and was not punished, but WAS rewarded with being able to run for, and get elected as, a Senator.

Please link to ANYTHING substantive, or educational, that YOU have contributed.

Thanks in advance....

Ghost

[stevenleser]

61. Thats hilarious. Really. It doesn't matter how much bad research one does, it's still bad research

You can compile reams and reams of it. If it doesn't predict results in the real world it's worthless.

We're supposed to believe this all powerful organization exists and yet the candidate it's trying to put forth is having among the most pathetic results of any primary race candidate in recent memory, and with every possible advantage.

Please let such an "evil empire" be arrayed against me everytime I'm trying to achieve something that is important to me.

Your sad defense of a completely failed theory is almost as funny as the failed theory itself.

[elias49]

63. Getting a little caustic aren't you?

One can overuse sarcasm.

[stevenleser]

67. Nope, just speaking truth to power. Nt

[elias49]

68. Haha! That's rich!

OK Steve. Truth to the power of a post.
You the man.

[stevenleser]

70. Like it or not Octafish and his and Sanders supporters are the power on DU...

and all that implies.

[Octafish]

82. Untrue and insulting.

Is this the best you can do? Smears?

Here's an example of where I posted about the BFEE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026954410

So. Show where I'm wrong and I'll apologize and correct the record. Same for leading The Bernie contingent: show.

[Octafish]

81. Like that time you said CIA doesn't influence media coverage?

And I showed you were CIA has manipulated US news media. You didn't even say, "Thanks."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2542453

So, please, show the first thing you find where I'm wrong. I'll admit it and correct the record, unlike you.

[Ghost in the Machine]

86. The only thing "sad" and "failed" is your attempt at trying to belittle me, instead of actually

responding to my reply and showing any substantive contributions that you have made.

It *almost* looks like you are trying to defend the Bush Family... to me, anyways.

I bet you don't believe that the elections in 2000 and 2004 were stolen either, do you? Despite the fact that the head of the elections commission in Ohio PROMISED to "deliver the votes to George W Bush", and later investigations landed some people in jail for election fraud. Even Bradblog was all over that.

Excuse me if I accept the tireless, dedicated work, which YOU called an "obsession", of someone who truly cares about our Country *and* Democracy and tries to keep the light of TRUTH shining on it. rather than your inane, belittling ramblings with nothing to back you up.

I thought that they were grooming JEB long before Little Boots got Selected in 2000 & again in 2004. Maybe, just maybe, the BFEE is smart enough to know that there aren't many people who are going to vote for another Bush, on the same premise that *some* people will NEVER vote for Hilary Clinton.... NO MORE POLITICAL DYNASTIES. PERIOD.

I, personally, believe that JEB is just a distraction. I just haven't figured out for WHO yet, but his own actions... or inactions, speak louder to me than anything. You can just tell that his heart isn't in it, that he's just "phoning it in", because he already KNOWS that he isn't *supposed* to win the nomination.

Since I highly doubt that you will respond to any requests to show anything substantive or educational that you have contributed, let me take this time to say goodbye to you. I see no need to interact with you on this subject again, so I will leave it at that.

Peace within, Peace between, Peace among,

Ghost

[stevenleser]

87. More hilarity ...

Please no one ever "defend" me by calling me flaccid and ineffectual.

Here's another short and to the point description. Right wingers can still be jerks even if they aren't super villains with magical powers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. I am guessing you are also going to call PRONTO

the good folks at Princeton who posited we live in a plutocracy.

Forgive me if I take them a tad more seriously than you.

Or for that matter, Ornstein and his friend who have published more respected material on DC than you have, (in academic ciricles)

They might not call it BFEE, but that is exactly what they are describing. Oh and this is the short list. There is a far larger list in academic writing.

[stevenleser]

62. Moving the goalposts won't help the theory of a BFEE

Of course we live in a plutocracy, I never argued against that and it has nothing to do with the idea of a BFEE.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. What do you think the BFEE is?

plutocracy by another name.

It is a creative way of calling one, but that is PRECISELY what it is. So nice try champ.

[stevenleser]

65. No, it's not. It has nothing to do with it.

There are plenty of wealthy people of power who not only have nothing to do with the Bush family, but oppose them entirely, on both sides of the aisle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Yes it is Steven

and by the way the Bush clan has been extremely well connected and not faced the music for decades.

Presscott did indeed try to get a military coup going. In a working democracy, with a functioning legal system where all are equal under the law, Presscott should have seen a court of law, not the US Senate.

His son was CIA director, or are you disputing those facts too?

In other countries, like oh South America, we call that a banana republic. The dysfunction and unequal legal system has become so glaring that it is undeniable.

By the way, you could say that if you are well connected and your last name is Kennedy, you will also have certain advantages in the legal system, for similar reasons.

You might want to pretend this is not happening, but not all of us are blind. What Octa has named the BFEE is an oligarchy. One that is driven by connections, money and power.

[stevenleser]

72. No, it isn't. And if it is, we have no reason to fear plutocracy then do we?

Plutocracy, IMHO, has actual power to execute an agenda.

Whatever is behind Jeb is completely powerless and flaccid. If that's your definition of plutocracy were definitely not talking about the same thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, well except in your case

the US is not that exceptional, and the little chicks are coming home to roost, the chicks we let be free in places like Latin America where we have propped oligarchies that favor us for decades. Now we have one here.

You might be confused as to how one actually works... becuase they don't teach this in school... but for those of us who grew up in one where we were not in denial, we vote to remain in practice becuase you know what steve, we are so far along, that it really does not matter who you vote for.

All that matters are those connections in the power structure. And there are now reams of academic papers pointing out what ails us. I am sorry, but I will at this point laugh at these statements from you. They are ignorant in the extreme. And willfully so, you are supposedly well informed. So you should know better.

[stevenleser]

79. Retreating to a misplaced and silly metaphor?

Your arguments on this are becoming more and more ridiculous in general.

I know the idea of a BFEE is an addictingly compelling one for some folks, but there JEB is in all his pathetic epic fail.

Explain that or retreat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. Nope, you are the one insisting that oligarchy isn't real

becuase of whatever reason that only you know. The BFEE is a description of that oligarchy. It is not a full description, but it is a description.

You really need to go tell the academics that are now calling what we have an oligarchy and explain why they are wrong too.

I am not retreating, or in denial. YOU ARE. By the way, this is hardly about Jeb Bush, but it is a bout a political system. It is you, and you need to re-read the full exchange, who insists on making this exclusively about Jeb.

[stevenleser]

88. Nope. You might want to try what I actually write instead of reading into it what you want

It to be.

JEBs candidacy is a miserable failure. Claiming that which is backing him is super powerful and always gets its way simply doesn't work. Period, all stop.

Second point. That which you claim is backing him is not the same as oligarchy. Period and all stop.

Third point. Oligarchy exists. Period and all stop.

Point three has nothing to do with point one and two. If the "BFEE" is "the oligarchy" then it's a pathetic and ineffectual one. I doubt that's the point you are trying to make.

Please tell me you understand what I am writing and deliberately trolling me. That would be easier to understand than someone who is a writer not understanding what I am writing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. I like your walk back, sort off

you have gone from it does not exist to well this is not a description of this. At least now you admit we have one. That is progress i suppose.

[stevenleser]

90. Nope. I like that you are now reading what I am writing instead of making stuff up

That's what I call progress.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. I made nothing up

and I responded to each of your posts. As I said, at least you admit we have an oligarchy NOW!

[stevenleser]

92. Yes, you did. I changed nothing of what I wrote.

I admit, I did drop the grade level down from 10th grade to about 4th grade in the hopes it would prevent you from misstating what I wrote.

I guess it worked.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Sure you did bucko

there are words that are crossing my ind the mind one right now is lie.

You are the one who argued against it. I also lowered the grade level to second grade from 12th so I guess it worked.

Have an excellent day. At least, as I said, you know admit we have an oligarchy. While not the subject of discussion I suppose we could tackle Empire next... which by the way the BFEE is even a more imperfect descriptor of one. That I would concede from the word go.

[HooptieWagon]

3. I am stunned.

Although he briefly led the GOP field last summer, he quickly plummeted into single digits and has remained mired there since. I would have thought the GOP establishment would have coalesced around him.

[rurallib]

4. he is about to the point of standing on a corner with a sign

begging for votes

[Chemisse]

27. They tried!

Jeb! was almost as 'inevitable' as Hillary at the start of all this.

They poured in the cash, but nothing helped. He just doesn't have the personality for this kind of endeavor.

[John Poet]

57. His main problem was, he kept opening his mouth in public.

If he'd stayed away from the public and the press,
I think his poll ratings would be at least triple what they are now. lol

He has proven to be the most politically tone-deaf presidential candidate of recent memory.

[Egnever]

5. He would have been a shoe in if only W had campaigned for him

[FSogol]

11. Uh oh, Shoe in!

[Egnever]

15. That was the only time he impressed me

Pretty solid dodge! If only he had shown the same talent with bicycles and pretzels.

[FSogol]

16. LOL, his best moment. n/t

[3catwoman3]

83. My favorite moment...

...of the Shrub presidency.

[Chemisse]

28. Ohhh. I see what you did there.

[Merryland]

6. One "inevitable" candidate down

one to go.

[monicaangela]

12. Very well Merryland!

Welcome to DU!

[madinmaryland]

38. Welcome to DU!! BTW, my SN is not MaidinMaryland!!

[cloudbase]

7. Yep.

Even Harold Stassen (yes, I'm that old) got more favorable press than Jeb.

[HeiressofBickworth]

47. Stassen ran for Pres more often

but never did connect with the press or the electorate.

"Stassen was later best known for being a perennial candidate for the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States, seeking it nine times between 1944 and 1992 (1944, 1948, 1952, 1964, 1968, 1980, 1984, 1988, and 1992). He never won the Republican nomination, much less the presidency; in fact, after 1952, he never even came close, but continued to campaign actively and seriously for President until just a year before his death." Wikipedia

He was a Republican before the crazies took over that party.

Again, Wiki: "During the 1960s, he gained a reputation as a liberal, particularly when, as president of the American Baptist Convention in 1963, he joined Martin Luther King in his march on Washington, D.C. Much of Stassen's political thought came from his religious beliefs. He held important positions in his denomination and in local and national councils of churches. In the latter 1960s and early 1970s, Stassen also participated with the U.S. Inter-religious Committee on Peace, which sponsored a series of conferences on religion and peace."

JEB! holds objectionable values and also is an object of personal ridicule. He really needs to go home and spend quality time counting his money or whatever it is he does with his spare time.

[monicaangela]

8. There is a major disconnect...

between that family and persons of their ilk in this nation. I believe they are trying really hard to get into office so that they can somehow defeat any effort that might arise that would bring G. W. Bush and his administration to justice. I know someday he and those that aided him in his crimes will be convicted. I just hope it's not posthumously.

[HughBeaumont]

9. I'd say he's even eclipsed RMoney at this point.

Definitely more tone deaf than Romney and definitely more entitled . . . which makes this giant bridge collapse of a candidacy even more hilarious to watch topple.

[hifiguy]

48. It's rather like watching a large dinosaur sink slowly

into a tar pit, flailing madly and futilely. More entertaining, though.

[3catwoman3]

84. At least we could feel...

...legitimately sorry for the dinosaur.

[malthaussen]

10. Certainly the most pathetic in my lifetime.

Maybe somebody in the 19th century was more hapless, but he also would not have his futility spread all over the Internet.

-- Mal

[FSogol]

13. His Mom is so likable, I think he'll soar to new heights in the polls

[rurallib]

22. she's got that 'honey badger' thing going

[Chemisse]

29. *facepalm*

Every time I see him now, I cringe in embarrassment for him. It is all so awkward.

[hifiguy]

45. Ol' Babs has the charm of

Ilse Koch. And the looks of George Washington.

[nichomachus]

17. Bob Dole was pretty pathetic

Like Jeb, Dole didn't really want to be president and was either pushed into it by others or carried into it by momentum. Dole never gave the impression he really wanted the job.

To run for president is hard, and you really need to have, as they say, "A fire in your belly."

Oddly enough, Dubya didn't have it either, but he did have Karl Rove who ran the whole thing. Bush was just pushed in front of people to recite nonsense. Howeverm the campaign, if not the candidate, was strong. Also, Rove mowed down the opposition. Jeb doesn't have a Rove -- and probably wants the job less than Dubya did.

[monmouth4]

18. Do you remember Bob Dole after the election and he started to do the Viagra ads? He was great in

them, which proves your point, he just liked doing ads and wasn't a dud after all.....LOL.

[Chemisse]

31. Except W had a different personality.

I wanted to say he had a certain charm, but it was making me nauseous.

[jpak]

21. Don't count him out yet

He stole an election in 2000...

He can steal this one.

yup

[malaise]

23. Given that John Ellis Bush gave up on the family name

it is clear that everyone knows that because of the illegal invasion and occupation Iraq, its consequences as well as the global economic crash, the Bush brand is damaged goods.
If Bush knows that (and he changed it to JEB!!) then so does the establishment.

That rubbish about Dumbya keeping America safe was also a big boo boo.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I think he provides comedic relief

and I had a hard time NOT laughing when I watched that video. Trust me, covering politics, I have seen plenty of pathetic things, especially at the local level. And that, is in the top five.

One of my favorites was the empty chair (literally) at the debate between candidates for the US House. No, the incumbent did not show. (He won anyway, so why bother, non competitive district), but the rest put an empty chair with Hunter's name. It was funny.

That same debate had a rambunctious speech about the UN and black helicopters and Chinese troops.

[Chemisse]

33. Speaking of empty chairs, remember when Clint Eastwood talked to one?

That was pretty pathetic. But thankfully he wasn't running for president.

[hifiguy]

44. I kept waiting for a nurse to come out

and gently lead him off the stage. That was beyond bizarre.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Yes, but that was not as funny

as having an empty chair during a debate for an actual election.

I was feeling sorry for Eastwood, and it was ahem bizarre. It is still in the top five

The other three...

a union member running for city council, showing at the rally well after the rally was finished. (She still managed to get elected, even though she did this OFTEN)

Well, I gotta admit the Filner scandal was pathetic, but not for what he did, but how the establishment pretended to be surprised. Believe it or not, his first vote in the House as a freshman was over the same kind of shenanigans. But pretty much, I remember the rumors when I was in Graduate school and he was in the faculty, so it was like... really people you are surprised?

Finally, in my top five is the fact that my local party refuses regularly to run people in non competitive races. But that is the state of politics nationally. No lower tier office holders, no deep benches. And they even admit (off the record of course) that this could be a smidgen of an issue... really sherlock? These days I just report, but that one really is my top gripe. I prefer to cover races, not coronations.

[oberliner]

26. Joe Lieberman failed pretty miserably

And then decided to stop being a Democrat.

[Octafish]

30. Salute my boots! I have way cooler things to do than be your president, peons.

Jeb Bush’s new winning message: You don’t want him? Well, Jeb Bush is so over you, America. You’re not his type, anyway. He never wanted to be president of a bunch of do nothings who would prefer to demonize people and do gridlocky things, and that is why he ran as a Republican – the party of gridlock and demonizing as a political strategy. -- http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/24/jeb-bush-america-lot-cool-demonized.html



"If this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then I don't want anything, I don't want any part of it. I don't want to be elected president to sit around and see gridlock just become so dominant that people literally are in decline in their lives. That is not my motivation. I've got a lot of really cool things I could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect Trump if you want that." -- Jebthro the Entitled

[Chemisse]

34. That was in the top 5 of most pathetic things ever said in an election season, imo.

On edit - and I bet the other 4 were also said by Jeb!

[Octafish]

39. For a low-energy guy, he did come up with some beauts.

Please clap.

Calls for elimination of federal minimum wage.

Gonna have to raise retirement age to collect Social Security.

There's gotta be another one, Chemisse.

[Chemisse]

40. I'll turn to my brother for foreign policy advice - that was a gem. n/t

[Octafish]

42. LOLOLOL!

Thank you! There's the five dumbest things uttered during a primary campaign.

It's like the guy had a voodoo economist running him.

Worked for his brother.

[LiberalElite]

32. I'm over 60 and so have been throuogh

a number of elections. I have never, EVER witnessed such a pathetic schlemiel running for any elective office.

Hey! Jeb! wins one after all!

[libdem4life]

35. After losing all that weight, he doesn't look well. He looks sunken in the chest.

[greytdemocrat]

46. Yep

I've been saying that too. He has not looked healthy. And in
earlier appearances he was wearing shirts where the neck
size as at least an inch to big. Your people are supposed to
notice that basic stuff, must be why he called in mom.

[lunatica]

75. Deflated is also the way he looks

[libdem4life]

76. Yes, exactly. Deflated. He acts it, too. I'll bet the tremendous pressure for receiving all that

money is high, let alone the likely Walk of Shame of going to Barbara Bush's place.

[lunatica]

77. I'm sure Babs makes sure he feels her ire but

the reality is that he's paying for her crap too.

She probably reminds him now that she told him not to run publicly and that he smirked at her in public over it. Well They both deserve each other's contempt.

[EdwardBernays]

36. I can think of one much worse

Aaron flipping Burr.

[Mendocino]

37. He should wear a bag over his head

like Shia Lebeouf -I'm not presidential anymore!

[hifiguy]

43. He's certainly the most ridiculous figure

that ever entered a presidential race with a known name.

He has run his campaign with the liquid grace of a cow on roller skates and the strategic acumen of General Custer.

Someone should just put him out of his obvious and our mildly bemused misery at this point.

[Liberal_in_LA]

49. yeah

[Mendocino]

50. Jeb "I eat nails when I get up."

Toe, finger or both?

[mikehiggins]

51. Yup eom

[saltpoint]

56. Jeb is a victim of his own charisma.

He's such a magnetic, dynamic figure that most ordinary people just can't absorb him.

Down deep, voters probably don't want to support someone who is so dynamic and enthralling that it makes their petty profiles look puny in our Constitutional republic. He, a vibrant dynamo, reminds them that they are but nothing.

So at an unconscious level, they seek to punish Jeb, whose natural magnetism and charisma eclipses them.

[L. Coyote]

58. Not if he wins the nomination. Remember under-estimating Bush II, his low expectations strategy.

So who was more pathetic, Bush II or the people who underestimated him and could not stop his illegal seizure of the White House?

[rurallib]

59. yhou are right

don't grave dance until he is 6 feet in

[seanjoycek476]

60. I'd say he's tied with Palin as the worst

Oh wait, Palin was the VP candidate, never mind.

[DrDan]

66. Carly by far

[AngryAmish]

71. ¡JEB!

[lunatica]

74. They should add more exclamation points to see if that works

How fitting that the last attempt of a Bush to be President withers in utter rejection from the American People.

May their legacy forever be that of the Pariahs of American history.

[Siwsan]

78. After that whole debate introduction fiasco, I vote for Ben Carson as the most pathetic

That was cringe worthy to the nth degree.

[Jim Beard]

85. Jebs side posture is horrible. Super slumping.

[Mendocino]

93. George Lincoln Rockwell

Pathetic in a different way; the dangerous way.