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Obama wants to tax Big Oil and spend the money on green transportation projects
The United States isnt exactly known for its mass transportation. In all but the biggest American cities and even in some of those the only thing resembling public transit is the school bus. But in his final years in office, President Obama hopes to change this. Or at least start talking about it.
Politico reports that when Obama proposes the final budget of his presidency, it will call for spending more than $300 billion over the next decade to fund carbon-reducing transit projects, including subways, buses, light rail, freight rail, and a big expansion of high-speed rail, as well as potentially-less-carbon-reducing projects like self-driving cars.
And how does Obama propose to pay for it? With a $10 fee on every barrel of oil sold. In theory, this fee would be levied on oil companies, but even the White House acknowledges that it would probably be passed right down to consumers. This is a per-barrel fee on oil paid for by oil companies, White House economic adviser Jeff Zients said Thursday. So theyre the ones paying the fee. We recognize that oil companies will likely pass on some of these costs.
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juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Of course, for many the best time to tax oil is not when its price is high or low but "some time in the future".
postulater
(5,075 posts)That should create about a million green jobs.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Currently 18 cents a gallon is the tax.
He wants to add an additional 24 cents.
Ill be honest, 5-7 bucks wont affect me, but I dont live paycheck to paycheck. Seems like this tax is highly regressive.
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(1,884 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)Refineries in the United States produced an average of about 12 gallons of diesel fuel and 19 gallons of gasoline from one barrel (42 gallons) of crude oil in 2014. Many other petroleum products are also refined from crude oil. Refinery yields of individual products vary from month to month as refiners focus operations to meet demand for different products and to maximize profits.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=327&t=9
Editing because a gallon of gasoline is made of 90% of a gallon of gasoline and 10% of a gallon of ethanol. So, 90 percent of $10 gas on 42 gallons of crude, oh, forget it.
hunter
(38,312 posts)There's quite a lot of natural gas and natural gas liquids making its way into gasoline.
With the addition of hydrogen derived from inexpensive natural gas it's possible to make more than 42 gallons of gasoline, diesel, and feedstocks for plastic from a single barrel of oil.
Refineries produce a mix of products. Gasoline has been a largely synthetic product for many years.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Not pennies. Petrotrillions.
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(1,884 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Not only will it reduce the consumption of oil, but will increase the comparative business case of green energy projects.
Well done Obama.
Ex Lurker
(3,813 posts)"So tell us, Ms Clintion/Mr Sanders, are you for or against Obama's massive tax increase on gasoline?"
gvstn
(2,805 posts)When the Iraq war started we went from $2/gallon to $4+/gallon. Did it suddenly cost that much more to produce a gallon of gas? Just Wall Stret ripping people off. Tax the hell out of it after you set a fair price for its production.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)It will just make it more expensive.
Some gas can be produced cheaply, some is more expensive to drill. When prices are high, everybody is drilling, when prices drop, some oil fields where gas is too expensive to drill shut down. If you add a tax, you will increase the price consumers pay but not much else.
Not sure how you set a fair price on a global market.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)But I thought if it costs you 80 cents to produce a gallon of gas, you add 40 cents for overhead and profit. You don't add $3 to the 80 cents it actually costs. That is what I consider a fair price, not some speculative one, based on Wall Street trying to make lots of money.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If you limit the price, and I can sell oil to China for 100 a barrell, or the US for 50, nobody will sell to the US.
Then we will have shortages, and there will be rationing, or more likely gas stations would raise their prices to adjust for supply and demand, and prices would be even higher as there is not enough to go around.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'd rather we tax these rich assholes that are making the lives a living hell for so many Americans. This tax will be paid by you and I at the pump, many times over I might add.
Jeeze when is the President going to start taking our side for once. It ain't going to happen or he would have already done it.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Response to bigwillq (Reply #14)
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Amishman
(5,557 posts)it would get passed on to the common folks
instead tax oil commodity trading with an exception for contracts that result in physical delivery. Heck do it for all commodities, tax wall street for messing with the price of raw materials and making things more expensive for the rest of us. Either money will be reclaimed from wall street or big money gets out of commodities trading. Either way we win.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I think it's a great idea in principle, but I think most of the money would be squandered on bullshit projects.
Bullshit like this:
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