Who should be held accountable for situations like the one in Burns, Oregon?

[Elwood P Dowd]

Our Democratic politicians should call them out on this.

22 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Fox News and their propaganda
	0 (0%)
	Political hate talk shows such as Rush Limbaugh's
	2 (9%)
	The republican party and their divide and conquer tactics
	1 (5%)
	All of the above
	19 (86%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[HooptieWagon]

1. The perpetrators?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

6. Just what I was thinking.

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. ^^^This^^^... N/T

[Deuce]

26. Yes, the perpetrators...

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. What a novel idea. nt

[TeeYiYi]

37. +1...

The perps, first and foremost.

TYY

[sarisataka]

44. That makes too

Much sense

I won't allow them to reduce the accountability of their actions by shifting blame to anyone else's words.

[Iggo]

46. Exactly.

[d_r]

2. The mother and the father

[madokie]

3. The hate mongers

and no one else.
rush, hanity, bill o, beck,fox noise, hell I could go on for while now but i'm sure you get my drift.

[greyl]

4. It would be fair to include a choice related to religion.

Most mainstream news accounts of antigovernment protesters’ occupation of a Fish and Wildlife Service facility in Oregon have ignored or downplayed the group’s religious beliefs. Ammon Bundy’s small band of armed followers turn out to be religious fanatics, and — inconveniently for the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — Mormon religious fanatics.

Ammon — the name is prominent in the Book of Mormon — is one of the 14 children of Cliven Bundy, the Mormon patriarch who made headlines in 2014 for a similar confrontation with the Bureau of Land Management. One of Ammon’s band has identified himself as “Captain Moroni.” Moroni is the golden angel whose image looks down from the steeples of Mormon temples in cities around the world.

The Bundys’ challenge to federal authority has deep roots in the church’s history. After an angry mob lynched Mormon’s founding father Joseph Smith in 1844, every man entering the church swore an “oath of vengeance” against the United States, which refused to recognize Smith’s new religious awakening.

When the Mormons reached Utah in 1847, Smith’s successor Brigham Young founded the breakaway state of Deseret (the word for “honeybee” in the Book of Mormon), which rejected many US laws, specifically those that forbad the Mormon practice of polygamy. US troops invaded Mormon Utah in 1857. Last-minute diplomacy narrowly averted a bloodbath.

More: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/01/05/oregon-standoff-has-roots-mormon-fanaticism/QLgIkrNZipFjtbn4AyUZFJ/story.html

Granted, it would be a mistake to call the Bundy’s armed campaign against the government a “Mormon movement,” as some of their supporters do not share their faith and the Mormon church has condemned the Oregon occupation. Also, thousands of Mormons, or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), serve proudly in the U.S. military, not to mention the U.S. government.

But religion has undoubtedly played a key role in the lives and activism of the Bundys, as well as many of their passionate — and often armed — supporters. To fully understand those staring down government agents in Oregon, you first have to unpack their faith — and why their church rejects it.

The Bundy family claims a Mormon faith as inspiration for their cause…

As John Sepulvado pointed out over at OPD, Cliven Bundy repeatedly cited his Mormonism to justify his standoff with the United States government in 2014, insisting he has a right to graze cattle on federal land because his Mormon ancestors worked it long before the federal Bureau of Land Management was established.

“If the standoff with the Bundys was wrong, would the Lord have been with us?” Bundy said. “Could those people that stood (with me) without fear and went through that spiritual experience … have done that without the Lord being there? No, they couldn’t.”

More: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/04/3735830/bundy-mormonism/

Ultimately, the issue is way too complex to place blame on any one choice. Humans are complicated.

[Downwinder]

12. I differentiate between LDS and FLDS.

Also between Salt Lake and Little Dixie.

[Lil Missy]

5. The Bundy et all assholes who caused the conflict in the first place. n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

7. But, who is creating these assholes all over the country?

When I watched and listened to their videos, it was obvious their brains were overflowing with repuke talking points they picked up from Fox, talk radio, and republican politicians.

[Lil Missy]

8. Yes, I see your point. The R punditry has been getting more and more toxic in the last 20 years.

Every year that I think it can't possibly get worse, it gets even worse.

[Kaleva]

13. These people are beyond Repub talking points

It's not Fox News or Rush Limbaugh they listen to or watch. It's people like Gavin Siem who they follow.

[Elwood P Dowd]

14. But the likes of Fox and Limbaugh spawned even more batshit crazies

like Gavin Siem. The whole repuke movement and their talking heads all try to out-crazy each other.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. These are religious criminals, you leave that part out.

Why?

[geomon666]

9. Hillary Clinton

David Fry even said so. They were there because Hillary wasn't being arrested for Benghazi and he couldn't get his marijuana and there were chemicals in milk that turned people gay.

[Elwood P Dowd]

10. And Obama's UFOs were invading the country screwing up everyone's DNA. (nt)

[geomon666]

11. Yes! How could I forget the UFOs.

Must be the mind control chips in the fluoridated water.

[Sunlei]

16. Federal DOI/BLM for mismanagement,corruption for decades & favorism/pandering to welfare ranchers

For decades our public land can't 'renew' when wildlife is rounded up/removed, mines are allowed to use all the ground water and cattle/sheep are allowed to strip off everything and trample the ground. Desertification.

de·sert·i·fi·ca·tion


/dəˌzərdəfəˈkāSH(ə n/
noun
noun: desertification
the process by which fertile land becomes desert, typically as a result of drought, deforestation, or inappropriate agriculture.

Our Country ends up with a bunch of "Bundies" with a sense of entitlement to our public lands because some have been allowed to abuse our lands for as long as the BLM has been in existence. ~ 40 years now.

[longship]

31. Here's a definition for folks.

hog·wash
ˈhôɡˌwôSH,ˈhäɡˌwäSH/
noun informal

1. refuse given to hogs; swill.
2. any worthless stuff.

Origin of hogwash
1400-50; 1900-05 for def 2; late Middle English. See hog, wash

Just trying to help.

It's actually pretty damned simple.

[2naSalit]

32. ^^^THIS^^^

Precisely! Along with all of the above.

[pampango]

17. When the right reacts to liberal policies, shouldn't we blame the left for those policies?

The answer, of course, is NO! Right-wing, white nationalists are to blame. They have existed since forever and are emboldened by a reactionary republican base.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. I Believe The Correct Answer to the Poll Is. . .

. . .yes. So, i picked AOTA.

[randome]

25. The American Occupational Therapy Association? WTF?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[ProfessorGAC]

27. All Of The Above

It's one of the choices in the poll. Sorry about that. Wasn't as obvious as i thought, i guess.

[ileus]

19. The people who do the deed...

[Bluenorthwest]

20. The criminals who did it and the religious leaders who teach them that toxic dogma

It's odd that you aggressively edit out the religious element which is the primary motivator of the Bundy Gang.

[bigwillq]

22. Bundy and Co

Should be held accountable for their own actions.

[cwydro]

23. The idiots who did it.

Period.

[Dr. Strange]

24. Muslims.

Obviously.

[TexasBushwhacker]

28. The Internet

The WWW makes it easier to find like minded people. It makes it easier to spread ideas, no matter how ludicrous they may be. It makes it easier for right wing, anti-government nut bags to find each other and build their movement. They live in the nut bag bubble, thinking not just that they are RIGHT, but that their fringe beliefs are more common than they really are.

[KG]

29. the Clenis

[randome]

30. It's ALWAYS the Clenis. Sometimes at the direction of the freedom-hating Obama!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. The perpetrators, obviously.

FFS...

[MisterP]

35. the "Sagebrush Rebellion" where the well-subsidized Western states wanted to kill the

Federal goose laying their gold eggs

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. All of the above + the actual perps.

[TeeYiYi]

38. "The devil made me do it."...

Naw... You made yourself do it.

Personal accountability and all that...

TYY

[TipTok]

39. Not even a choice for the actual perpetrators?

That's just sad...

If you were just looking for a circle jerk of agreement, say so.

[Elwood P Dowd]

40. 25 + years of brainwashing, lies, and hate pumped out by Fox News

hate radio, and the repuke party created the climate for perpetrators like the Bundy Bunch to try such a thing. Which one was most responsible for this insanity or was it a combination of all?

Now go off to your own circle jerk.

[LanternWaste]

41. It can be difficult for an irrational or myopic brain to perceive a point

It can be difficult for an irrational or myopic brain to perceive an obvious point if not spelled out for them in as few syllables as possible. That just sad, part two.



Suggestion: avoid satire, it too can cause confusion.

[womanofthehills]

42. Add Alex Jones

My friend just left a Burns, Oregon type guy who loves loves loves Alex Jones. Jones plays to the paranoid personality type.

My friend is afraid to tell her ex she is for Bernie, because he ex went berserk just seeing a Bernie bumper sticker.

[sarisataka]

43. Blame Canada

[kentuck]

45. Does the Mormon Church have anything to do with it?

How do Mormons feel about the "federal" land in Nevada? Do some consider it the property of the individuals that live there or do they consider it the property of the US Government?

[Calista241]

47. In the beginning the Universe was created.

This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.