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A casting head said: “I couldn’t put you in a Shakespeare movie. They didn’t have black people then. (Original Post) kpete Feb 2016 OP
Hmm. Othello anyone? nt ladjf Feb 2016 #1
And Titus Andronicus nt Xipe Totec Feb 2016 #2
Aaron in 'Titus Andronicus'. Aristus Feb 2016 #14
Great article; thanks for posting. nt el_bryanto Feb 2016 #3
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2016 #4
Well, if the out of Africa hypothesis is as solid as it seems whatthehey Feb 2016 #5
Shift in pigmentation took place more than once, probably csziggy Feb 2016 #13
K&R mountain grammy Feb 2016 #6
Well, all the women's roles were played by men once upon a time alarimer Feb 2016 #7
Denzel Washington played an Italian prince in... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #8
I saw (and met!) Denzel when he played Brutus in B'way's "Julius Caesar" about a decade ago. Yum! WinkyDink Feb 2016 #9
That was a very good read tkmorris Feb 2016 #10
http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/ KitSileya Feb 2016 #11
Ridiculous racist justification for denying rusty fender Feb 2016 #12
These assholes need to stop pretending they're just soooo much more 'evolved' than Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2016 #15
man, Hollywood doesn't count Jews and Italians as whites MisterP Feb 2016 #16
Institutional racism is live malaise Feb 2016 #17

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
5. Well, if the out of Africa hypothesis is as solid as it seems
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

I'm pretty sure they had black people for a hell of a long time before white ones, assuming you're willing to call erectus "people", since that's when pigmentation shifts started.

But, rampant parochialism and prejudice aside, there is a glimmer of technical truth possible. Assuming you are talking about Shakespearean works set in his own contemporary and historical England, there were a vanishingly small number of black folks in England, and only then really a tiny few in his lifetime (if memory serves I remember reading about the wonder caused by Catherine of Aragon's African retinue). Certainly for a producer consumed with visual historical accuracy, putting a black actor in, say. Richard III would make as much sense as costuming one character in Victorian garb.

Not a particularly common concern especially in movies however, so not much of a fig leaf. Far more likely the casting guy is a dickwad.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
13. Shift in pigmentation took place more than once, probably
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

And from studies I read years ago, it takes about 10,000 years to lighten pigment to northern European colors.

In addition a year or so ago a genetic study found a measurable level of African genetic material in English people that dated from very early, maybe the Roman period.

24 January 2007
Genes reveal West African heritage of white Brits

Gene tests on a sample of “indigenous” Englishmen have thrown up a surprise black ancestry, providing new insight into a centuries-old African presence in Britain.

The research, funded by the Wellcome Trust, identified a rare West African Y chromosome in a group of men from Yorkshire who share a surname that dates back at least as far as the mid-14th century and have a typical European appearance. They owe their unusual Y chromosome to an African man living in England at least 250 years ago and perhaps as early as Roman times, the researchers say.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11018-genes-reveal-west-african-heritage-of-white-brits/

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
7. Well, all the women's roles were played by men once upon a time
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

And the real beauty of Shakespeare is the adaptability. So that exec was full of shit. And he never heard of Othello, apparently.

Wounded Bear

(58,673 posts)
8. Denzel Washington played an Italian prince in...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016
Much Ado About Nothing. Did quite well, too, as one might expect from such a talented actor.

I must admit to a sense of shock when he first came on screen, but he nailed the performance IMHO. After I dialed down my innate racist and just watched the film, his race didn't matter.

I always consider this when I hear shit like the uproar over the Brits picking a black woman to play Hermione.

Hey they're actors. There really aren't that many roles where the race of the actor matters much.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
11. http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

Lots and lots and lots of historic evidence in art of persons of color in Europe during all of history. For heaven's sake, the British circumnavigated the globe during Shakespeare's lifetime. He didn't think that they went to Africa, and some African people went to Britain (or were forced to go there?)

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
12. Ridiculous racist justification for denying
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

AAs acting roles.

Anyone familiar with opera knows that AAs have been cast in starring "white" roles way before Hollywood ever did. Singers were picked based on their voices, not the color of their skin.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
15. These assholes need to stop pretending they're just soooo much more 'evolved' than
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

the rest of the country. Many of the artists in the industry might be. But executives can really be out of touch asshats. They share a lot of the same ignorance that plagues the rest of the country.

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