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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:53 PM Feb 2016

Company Paying High Wages And Benefits Just CRUSHED Wal-Mart In Profitability

http://freakoutnation.com/2016/02/company-paying-high-wages-and-benefits-just-crushed-wal-mart-in-profitability/

I quit going into Walmart in 1999, because of how badly they treated their employees. A woman who worked there with my niece was very sick, but the store wouldn’t even let her take a break. The woman literally fainted on the spot. It wasn’t easy to stay away because their prices are oh-so-low. But I figured that if I couldn’t find an item at another business, then I didn’t really need it.

Then, too, I knew they exported a large number of our factories to China, because I worked in international business, at the time. Get this, China Labor Watch investigated five Walmart supplier factories and found a total of 10,000 workers suffered serious rights abuses....

Walmart and Amazon pinch pennies and squeeze people, but they are not the only games in town. My daughter and I have a monthly mother/daughter tradition at Costco. We can each do our shopping, while visiting and indulging in interesting food and beverage samples along the way. I like Costco because they take care of their people, while still offering good deals.

Costco pays its employees a living wage, starting at $11.50 per hour and averaging $21 per hour, plus overtime and company-sponsored health insurance. Costco’s CEO and president Craig Jelinek speaks about the economy:
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Company Paying High Wages And Benefits Just CRUSHED Wal-Mart In Profitability (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
I see the same people at Costco all the time and they look pretty pleased to be working there Warpy Feb 2016 #1
Wish we had one over here in Indiana. Shandris Feb 2016 #2
Meijer is union MichMan Feb 2016 #4
There was a massive union uprising against them when it went in... Shandris Feb 2016 #5
Might not be every store is union MichMan Feb 2016 #6
I was at Costco this morning spinbaby Feb 2016 #3
That's a great price leftynyc Feb 2016 #9
Wow, and I thought I got a deal at Ace Hardware passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #14
Isn't Ace Hardware worker-owned? nxylas Feb 2016 #20
Not sure passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #21
Just got back from Ace Hardware, passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #29
Our Ace Hardware just shut down, making Vegas suck a little bit more. Nevernose Feb 2016 #33
Sadism, basically... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #7
I love Costco leftynyc Feb 2016 #8
Trickle down policy is garbage. Wal-Mart is a Reaganomics type store. Rex Feb 2016 #10
Costco prospers by catering to the top 20% of households Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2016 #11
Costco has shown that the walmart model is an optional (immoral) option newthinking Feb 2016 #12
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #24
The closest Walmart is 10 minutes away, Thespian2 Feb 2016 #13
Low prices are a myth spinbaby Feb 2016 #53
The only problem is cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #15
Kroger is not so good. Aldi also starts at $11.50/hr. Barack_America Feb 2016 #31
Aldi is excellent. Thav Feb 2016 #36
No Aldi near me cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #37
Bingo 1939 Feb 2016 #52
Walmart is bad GoldenMean Feb 2016 #16
The drawback at Costco is the long lines...because everyone wants to shop there! nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #17
And the huge quantities and outlying locations. KamaAina Feb 2016 #19
True. My closets are full of huge packs of Costco paper towels, tissue , etc. nt. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #23
You need a car, money, and space to store the stuff. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #30
In Houston cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #38
For all of Houston? KamaAina Feb 2016 #42
No, of course not cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #45
But the area inside the Loop is YUGE! KamaAina Feb 2016 #46
How big is Yuge? cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #47
That's pretty yuge. KamaAina Feb 2016 #49
Oh and cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #48
They're opening one in Humble in March n/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Feb 2016 #18
Best deal at Costco GoldenMean Feb 2016 #22
The $1.50 dog comes with a drink too! Z_California Feb 2016 #40
Agree. Also, their Kirkland chicken stock. closeupready Feb 2016 #41
Rotisserie chicken from Costco is the devil. Liberal Veteran Feb 2016 #43
Kicked and recommended! Thank you, KamaAina! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #25
I knew it was Costco! Yay me! Do I win? snort Feb 2016 #26
Love them but they drug test employees dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #32
Aldi's is the same way. madinmaryland Feb 2016 #27
They're Trader Joe's parent company. KamaAina Feb 2016 #28
Produce at Krogers is expensive cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #39
temporarily living in the seattle area I am surrounded by Costcos and have developed a habit. Nobel_Twaddle_III Feb 2016 #34
Kick Liberal_in_LA Feb 2016 #35
Ya but... moondust Feb 2016 #44
Don't laugh, but Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #54
I believe it. moondust Feb 2016 #55
Good job, Costco. I shop Costco. oldandhappy Feb 2016 #51

Warpy

(111,291 posts)
1. I see the same people at Costco all the time and they look pretty pleased to be working there
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

I have never seen the same person twice at Wally's (don't look at me like that, I need cheap generics nobody else has) with the exception of one pharmacist who's been there for about eight months. She's looking frazzled, so she might be ready to walk.

Paying low wages and limiting advancement are false economies since Wally's has to pay enormous costs every time an employee quits and a new hire has to be trained. Eliminating this expense by paying well and treating their employees like colleagues has saved Costco this huge cost and IMO, that's what has made it so much more profitable.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
2. Wish we had one over here in Indiana.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

My choices are as follows: local (what I buy when it is humanly possible; wasn't always this way, but in the last year especially I've decided to go without even a bit more just to avoid WM and/or Meijer-type stores), Wal-Mart, Meijer, and one of the alternate-branded Piggly Wiggly's (goes by various names in various regions, as I understand it?). That's my "roughly 20 minute drive radius" choices.

IOW, expensive, trash, trash, or kind-of-expensive-kind-of-okay. Not a great choice, all things considered. It's not like they'd have to pay as much either; $11/hr is darn near a corporate wage around here (and is, in fact, better than all but one of our local manufacturers that I am aware of).

MichMan

(11,940 posts)
4. Meijer is union
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016

Not sure why you have an issue with Meijer. Their employees are union.

I shop there whenever possible. The closest Costco is an hour away

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. There was a massive union uprising against them when it went in...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

...a decade or so ago (or has it been two...I can't remember anymore!). I also know a very conservative member of my family worked there once and while she never complained about them (and to be perfectly fair, she enjoyed working there for the most part), I don't ever recall her mentioning the 'dreaded U-word'.

So either something has changed (which I did not know), or maybe there's a state by state thing? I won't profess to have followed the history of it closely; I pretty much made my judgement early on and never looked back. I'll have to look at them again and find out though, that WOULD make life a bit easier.

Thanks for the info!

MichMan

(11,940 posts)
6. Might not be every store is union
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

I live in Michigan (Meijer home state) where there is one or more in almost every populated area. Every one I have seen around here is unionized. Might not be true in every state etc.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
3. I was at Costco this morning
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

It's 30 miles farther than Sam's Club for us but a far more pleasant experience. $2.99 for a package of 4 LED bulbs this month--stock up.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
14. Wow, and I thought I got a deal at Ace Hardware
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

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getting four bulbs for $11, on a half-off sale.

Ace charges too much for their LEDs, but Walmart and ACE are the only game in town unless I want to make a long trip.

I wish we had a Costco near me. I can't afford to drive to the closest one...sixty miles away. Round trip 120...that does not offset the savings.

I'd be shopping there all the time if it was close to me.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. Not sure
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

customers can join Ace, as a coop, I think. I have the paperwork but haven't filled it out yet. And you get money back at the end of the year (don't know if there is a waiting period...with my electric coop it was like 15 years, but I do get a check from them every year now)...but yes, it may well be employee owned. I never heard that before. I'm heading there now. I'll have to ask them.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
33. Our Ace Hardware just shut down, making Vegas suck a little bit more.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

I live in probably the most walkable neighborhood in Las Vegas, which by any standards is a normal semi-suburban neighborhood. But there's two grocery stores, three casinos, two gyms, a bar, five restaurants, a dry cleaner, a Starbucks, a couple of convenience stores, and the best comic book store in town -- plus a medical marijuana dispensary just opened up. All this within walking distance, which is AMAZING for Las Vegas.

Sadly, now I have to spend ten minutes driving to my local Mega-Despot.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. I love Costco
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

I live in an apartment so I'm limited on how much bulk buying I can do but I still manage to spend a couple of hundred a month on stuff that is necessary. I'm 55 years old and I've never stepped foot into a Wal-mart.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. Trickle down policy is garbage. Wal-Mart is a Reaganomics type store.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

So I feel no sadness when I see one of these trickle down stores go out of business. My hope is those unemployed find work at a place that will treat them like humans.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
11. Costco prospers by catering to the top 20% of households
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

People who have done somewhere between good to great in the past twenty years,

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
12. Costco has shown that the walmart model is an optional (immoral) option
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

Even though they built their kingdom on poverty, they could halt their slump and boom their business if they truly changed their policies and model to one that is similar, But they won't because when people are that greedy and immoral they just can't "get it". Making money while greatly benefiting community and their employees is just not interesting to them: Even if they get richer doing it.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
13. The closest Walmart is 10 minutes away,
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

the closest Costco is 1 1/2 hours away...we shop at Costco...in my experience, Wally's prices are not especially low...some are, some are not...be very careful if you shop at Wally's...

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
53. Low prices are a myth
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

I used to go to Walmart a lot because I drove an elderly relative who shopped there. I found the place to be badly stocked, limited in brands, and not particularly well priced. The yogurt I buy regularly was vey high priced in slightly different packaging than the other stores. Often, Walmart had the same product in smaller packaging to make it look like a deal.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
15. The only problem is
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

that Costco just doesn't carry everything that I need to buy and I'm too poor to not ever go to Walmart. Also, some people don't have a Costco anywhere near them. I usually buy produce at Fiesta and frozen food at Kroger. I'm not sure how they are on pay and benefits.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
31. Kroger is not so good. Aldi also starts at $11.50/hr.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Check one out if you've got one near you. I'm a convert.

Thav

(946 posts)
36. Aldi is excellent.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:35 AM
Feb 2016

And recently the have made moves to be more healthy, no artificial colors in their private label stuff.

1939

(1,683 posts)
52. Bingo
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:22 AM
Feb 2016

Costco is profitable enough to pay higher wages because they have a limited stock (in terms of variety not volume). If Costco tried to stock the variety of items you find in a Walmart Super Store, it wouldn't be as profitable per dollar of sale (and wopuldn't have the margin to support the higher wages).

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
16. Walmart is bad
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

But they don't charge $55 a year to just get in the door.
Costco makes $2.4 billion a year in membership fees.
I shop at both Walmart and Costco because I have to make every penny count
Sorry, if I had more money I could be more selective in where I spend money.
Walmart did just raise their wages from $9 to $10, so they are feeling the Bern

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
19. And the huge quantities and outlying locations.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

Fine if you have a car. Transit-dependent? Not so much.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
30. You need a car, money, and space to store the stuff.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

I understand one can save money there, but a lot of people buy just what they need to get by every month, and can't afford to "stock up".

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
45. No, of course not
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

Just in Houston there is one close to inner city. There is also one on I-10 and Bunker Hill, one in Sugarland, one in Katy and one at Willowbrook

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
46. But the area inside the Loop is YUGE!
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

Most folks wouldn't be near it.

P.S. Many Houstonians, especially the UT grads among them, refer to the Loop as the "Aggie evacuation route".

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
47. How big is Yuge?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

I went to google maps and it is 15 miles from on I-10 from the West Loop to the East Loop. Or are you talking about the Beltway.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
49. That's pretty yuge.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

Especially without a car. I understand Houston is making some strides in transit, now that Bug Man DeLay is not there to lobby against projects in his own district (!!), but it'll take a while to get even where Dallas is today.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
48. Oh and
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

it's on the bus route. And buses in Houston have bike racks now. And it isn't really close to the loop either, it's about 2 or 3 miles from the West Loop.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
22. Best deal at Costco
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

Three lb. roasted whole chicken for $4.99
Costco loses $40 million a year selling them at this price
Whenever we go we make sure we get one.
You can't beat their $1.50 Kosher dogs either
I once as a joke took my wife out to dinner at Costco and and just walked around eating the free samples.

Z_California

(650 posts)
40. The $1.50 dog comes with a drink too!
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

My son has worked at Costco for four years. They are a great employer!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
41. Agree. Also, their Kirkland chicken stock.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

Good enough to have on its own, so full of flavor. Also the french onion soup, canned tuna/salmon, personal hygiene products like deodorant, razors, and shampoo, socks, undershorts, gym shoes, coffee beans ... No end to the great deals to be had.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
43. Rotisserie chicken from Costco is the devil.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

Moist delicious affordable devil.

Even if I have eaten nothing but chicken for a week, I always buy one as I am getting ready to head for the check out because they are that good.

snort

(2,334 posts)
26. I knew it was Costco! Yay me! Do I win?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

I shop at a gigantic Costco in Hillsboro OR and the employees all seem quite happy to be working there. If I was younger I'd put in an application myself.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
32. Love them but they drug test employees
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder how that works i states where herb is legalized? Anyway I wish they would stop that practice.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
27. Aldi's is the same way.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

My daughter has been there several months, and started at about the same wage listed above.

They actually have great prices, also. They basically sell their own store brand, and the quality is good! The only thing that lags is the produce, but with what you save, you can go to Kroger and get decent produce.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
39. Produce at Krogers is expensive
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

We have a grocery store here in Houston called Fiesta. It somewhat caters to the Hispanic community and has really good prices on produce and always has really good avocados. They are cheap on everything that Hispanic people buy - tomatoes, peppers, onions, beans, bananas, etc.

But Krogers has really good prices on frozen foods, particularly frozen vegetables. $1 for the 16 oz packages of frozen broccoli, brussels sprouts, okra and others.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
44. Ya but...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

how many multibillionaire megalomaniacs do they have on board? Huh? That's the real measure of laissez-faire success in laissez-faire 'Murca.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
54. Don't laugh, but
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

OK, we really can laugh...

My father is a hard-ass TP conservative. He's befuddled by cognitive dissonance though:

There's a Costco really close to him, and a Walmart just a bit farther. He really likes Costco as a store, and throws them a ton of business. But he always grouses "But they're kinda' left wing". He doesn't like Walmart except to buy hunting/fishing licenses...but he always comes to their defense whenever complaints are aired about their employee relations. He likes their business model but he dislikes the store.

Now THAT is a working definition of a true ideologue.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
55. I believe it.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

I sometimes find myself noting which companies tend to screw their workers and engage in other objectionable practices and I tend to steer clear of them when there's an alternative. Like a lot of other people, I never buy products like Brawny paper towels that I know are made by companies owned by the Koch brothers.

Go ahead, call me an ideologue!

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