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struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:17 PM Apr 2016

Federal Judge Blocks Sovereign-Styled ‘Lawyers’ From Oregon Occupation Case

Bill Morlin
April 07, 2016

... Ronald Vrooman, who calls himself a “private attorney general,” and James “Jimi” O’Hagan, acting as a “legal intervener,” have both filed paperwork with the U.S. District Court in Portland, seeking to participate in the case brought against Ammon Bundy and 25 others.

But federal Judge Anna Brown is having none of it.

Not only did the federal judge recently refuse to grant the pair legal standing in the case, she ordered the court clerk to return their “legal” paperwork and refuse to accept anything further from anyone advocating “common law courts.”

“When the Court receives any submission for this matter that is not from a named party or any attorney admitted to the Bar of this Court representing a named party, the Court directs the Clerk to return the document to the sender with a copy of this Order or seek further direction from this Court as to any particular nonparty submission,” Brown wrote in her court order ...


https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/07/federal-judge-blocks-sovereign-styled-%E2%80%98lawyers%E2%80%99-oregon-occupation-case

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Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. So is that a nice way of saying, "not lawyers"?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

So what is keeping these self-identifying law dogs from taking the Bar exam? Guess the easiest way to a goal, is the Sovereign way.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
3. It indeed seems they're indeed not attorneys. But even if they were, they couldn't just file
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

papers in the case

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
2. As soon as someone uses the word "sovereign", you know they are full of shit.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

The word actually means "supreme or absolute" authority.
Sarah Palin loves to throw this word around and I don't think she haws a clue what it means.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
4. My friend volunteers in a legal services agency in N.J. One of these sovereign assholes shows
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

up at her office and proceeds to explain that she doesn't need to provide a Social Security number to the office because she does not recognize the authority of the court.

"Well, without the SS number, you are not going to get the benefits you are here to petition for."

"O.K., my SS number is --- -- ----.

'nuff said.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Guess what, boys?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

You are cordially invited to go piss up a rope. Judge Brown isn't impressed with your legal stylings, and you aren't going to get to come riding into her courtroom on a white horse and get your comrades in dumbassery sprung from the pokey. Now run along home before she decides to sic the Marshals on you.

Aristus

(66,434 posts)
7. Shit. Those guys are basically 14 year-olds with beards, beer bellies, bad attitudes,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016

and delusions of grandeur.

I remember as a kid, building forts with my friends to keep out girls and anyone else who 'didn't belong.' It's the kind of thing rational people grow out of before too long.

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