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WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:11 PM Apr 2016

'Major victory' for kids suing Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/opinions/sutter-climate-kids-update/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

(CNN)It's a case an attorney called "one of the most significant in our nation's history."

And, thankfully, on Friday, a federal judge pushed it much-much closer to trial.
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wenty-one young people (ages 8 to 19) are suing President Barack Obama and the federal government over making a mess of the planet for future generations.

It's the climate version of David v. Goliath.

A bunch of kids suing the big-bad feds.

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The climate kids' argument is multifaceted and nuanced, bringing in concepts of public trust doctrine as well as constitutional rights to life, liberty and property. But one of the oh-wow points they're making is this: Young people and unborn generations are being discriminated against when it comes to the U.S. propagation of climate change.
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'Major victory' for kids suing Obama (Original Post) WhiteTara Apr 2016 OP
While I agree with the principle, saying "unborn generations" are affected is disingenuous. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #1
An unborn generation lacks standing Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #3
Exactly cleanhippie Apr 2016 #4
tell that to all the unborn that live in a bath of toxic of chemicals SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #5
The unborn don't live anywhere. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #8
did anyone tell you about the birds and the bees SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #9
It's not quite the same. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #6
Ahh. Can I sue people who voted in the 1950s, then? LisaM Apr 2016 #2
Since I'm gay, I should be able to sue Politicalboi Apr 2016 #7
Why do they hate Obama? tk2kewl Apr 2016 #10

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
1. While I agree with the principle, saying "unborn generations" are affected is disingenuous.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

That's like the anti-choicers saying "unborn child". Someone that does exist isn't having their rights taken away.
My point: there's a better way to go about this.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. An unborn generation lacks standing
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

If an unborn generation wants to sue, they should have to file a lawsuit themselves.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
9. did anyone tell you about the birds and the bees
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

9 months - many surrounded by fluid tainted with many of hundreds of chemicals

half of the people are below average

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
6. It's not quite the same.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

Unborn generations are going to exist someday; a foetus that is aborted is never going to be a child.

If you visualise the universe as four-dimensional, unborn generations exist at certain points in space-time, while the person an aborted foetus "would" (a word that is much more complicated than it sounds) have become does not.

A better analogy might be foetal alcohol syndrome?

LisaM

(27,830 posts)
2. Ahh. Can I sue people who voted in the 1950s, then?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

For any economic and environmental damage that happened during their "watch"?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. Since I'm gay, I should be able to sue
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

For not being able to be "legally" married for most of my adult life. And even then in some states it still doesn't matter if you're legally married, they let the bible rule and nobody does shit about it.

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