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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:15 PM Apr 2016

Paul Ryan wants to end Obamacare protections for people with pre-existing conditions

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/paul-ryan-wants-to-end-obamacare-protections-for-people-with-pre-existing-conditions/

Paul Ryan wants to end Obamacare protections for people with pre-existing conditions
Reuters
27 Apr 2016 at 22:21 ET


U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan called on Wednesday for an end to Obamacare’s financial protections for people with serious medical conditions, saying these consumers should be placed in state high-risk pools.

In election-year remarks that could shed light on an expected Republican healthcare alternative, Ryan said existing federal policy that prevents insurers from charging sick people higher rates for health coverage has raised costs for healthy consumers while undermining choice and competition.

The rule, a cornerstone of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, has been praised by patient advocates for providing access to medical care for people who previously could not afford private health insurance. The Affordable Care Act also bars insurers from excluding coverage for pre-existing conditions.

“Less than 10 percent of people under 65 are what we call people with pre-existing conditions, who are really kind of uninsurable,” Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, told a student audience at Georgetown University.


“Let’s fund risk pools at the state level to subsidize their coverage, so that they can get affordable coverage,” he said. “You dramatically lower the price for everybody else. You make health insurance so much more affordable, so much more competitive and open up competition.”

Charging the same rates to individuals regardless of their medical history is also a key part of group health plans in the private sector.

House Republicans, after repeated votes to repeal Obamacare, have promised to produce their own alternative to the Affordable Care Act as part of a broader policy agenda intended to attract voters in the Nov. 8 presidential election. The policy document is expected just ahead of the Republican presidential nominating convention in July.

High-risk pools, which existed before the healthcare law, are state-level entities that guarantee coverage for people with health problems. Analysts say they can be prohibitively expensive and offer less than optimal health coverage.

Republicans have proposed state-based risk pools as an Obamacare alternative in the past. Last week, the conservative Republican Study Committee recommended risk pools as part of the House policy agenda, saying premiums should be capped at 200 percent of a state’s average.
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Paul Ryan wants to end Obamacare protections for people with pre-existing conditions (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2016 OP
He sure does. KamaAina Apr 2016 #1
In my defense, I did search for Paul Ryan on DU and this didn't show up. babylonsister Apr 2016 #3
No, please don't delete it... Ghost in the Machine Apr 2016 #5
Good point; thanks, Ghost. nt babylonsister Apr 2016 #26
I had forgotten about them. KamaAina May 2016 #72
Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand your reply.. Ghost in the Machine May 2016 #79
High Risk Pool = $3000/month Baobab May 2016 #70
Yeah, those risk pools were practically worthless at state level. Hoyt Apr 2016 #2
Yup. Smoke and mirrors. ELIMINATION OF Hortensis Apr 2016 #39
GOPDon'tCare at its finest! lastlib May 2016 #74
WHEN are people going to wake up and realize that the repuke Party is a Domestic Terrorist Ghost in the Machine Apr 2016 #4
I agree Andy823 Apr 2016 #8
Ghost... perfect way to describe the Repubs.... CherokeeDem Apr 2016 #30
excellent graphic description hopemountain Apr 2016 #51
I too agree BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2016 #62
Makes perfect sense. Turbineguy Apr 2016 #6
Being sick is a moral failing to Republicans. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #9
This way the immortals can pay less BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #7
This will be academic unless someone bows down to giving United Health Care more money. jtuck004 Apr 2016 #10
FALSE. United Health Care has only covered a tiny fraction of the ACA market. We don't need them. pnwmom Apr 2016 #18
And they are mainly in red states IronLionZion Apr 2016 #56
My state didn't establish a state exchange. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #64
Do you need subsidies? IronLionZion May 2016 #65
And, of course, Ryan has his whole family and himself completely covered in his CTyankee Apr 2016 #11
I despise that little prick with a purple passion. Punkingal Apr 2016 #12
wishing bad things on people like Ryan is bad karma so I won't do it. CTyankee Apr 2016 #14
I don't wish bad things on him...I just despise him. Punkingal Apr 2016 #16
Ryan, you who excercise manically to prevent heart disease that took your father, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #13
Gee thanks Bill mdbl Apr 2016 #58
*BEST VERSION, TYT's Cenk on MEDICARE, Ryan's Budget & Bill C., Other Prominent Dems. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #61
Doesn't every Republican want to get rid of ACA? eom Festivito Apr 2016 #15
Well of course he does! blackspade Apr 2016 #17
So, for anyone who thinks Hillary is the same as the Rethugs, the ACA will be the first thing to go pnwmom Apr 2016 #19
Yup! dbackjon Apr 2016 #34
"A pox on him and his family!" Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #20
Everyone gets sick eventually! It sucks being trapped at a job because you cannot afford Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #21
Pension Scarsdale Apr 2016 #55
You would probably qualify for MediCAID to pay most of the supplementary costs. maddiemom May 2016 #81
And then the states will sue to not be forced Ilsa Apr 2016 #22
Obamacare is about prevention to keep the risk down. chowder66 Apr 2016 #23
This is what the insurance companies are asking for. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #24
With that system, many times when someone gets seriously ill, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #25
Ryan calls for health insurance for only healthy people, car insurance for people that do not drive Johonny Apr 2016 #27
I call bullshit, Mr. Asshole. SoapBox Apr 2016 #28
'Who are really kind of uninsurable.' Volaris Apr 2016 #46
When I had Obamacare for 1 1/2 years it was because NO ONE would insure me after Cobra Boomerproud May 2016 #68
Paul Ryan's idea to cover pre-existing conditions via high-risk pools is a scam. Here's how. Justice Apr 2016 #29
Eddie Munster doesn't get it MFM008 Apr 2016 #31
How about we just get rid of the health insurance companies all together? MoonchildCA Apr 2016 #32
Don't worry there's no difference between Clinton and a GOP president dbackjon Apr 2016 #33
You got that right. There's a big fucking difference realmirage May 2016 #76
I just don't understand. dawg Apr 2016 #35
When will doctor assisted suicide SCVDem Apr 2016 #36
I am beginning to believe a gun and a bullet needs to be next to the aspirin in the medicine cabinet airplaneman Apr 2016 #41
I wonder if he even knows what that means? He is talking jwirr Apr 2016 #37
UK Welfare Minister Lord Freud overheard saying Disabled People 'Not Worth Full Wage'. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #59
That really does not surprise me as the eugenics movement jwirr Apr 2016 #60
I have health insurance for the first time in 6 years.......... mrmpa Apr 2016 #38
while we fight Hillary versus Bernie - this type of selfish crap from the gop is the real enemy MariaThinks Apr 2016 #40
+1,000,000 greatauntoftriplets Apr 2016 #57
+1000 realmirage May 2016 #77
those people threatening not to vote Skittles May 2016 #84
Conservatives hate the AFFORDABLE part of ACA Zambero Apr 2016 #42
There really are no cost controls in ACA. We gave them up in 1995 with GATTS. Baobab May 2016 #71
The high risk pool that was in my state prior to Obamacare only covered about 5 specific Vinca Apr 2016 #43
Wall Street has declared war on us. Initech Apr 2016 #44
Republicans are High-Risk on All Levels Praek3 Apr 2016 #45
That's right....fuck the sick and the elderly roomtomove Apr 2016 #47
Fuck him, he never has to worry about health care. Rex Apr 2016 #48
he probably does redruddyred Apr 2016 #54
This is the same old tired Rpublcan garbage Jeb Bartlet Apr 2016 #49
fuck him demtenjeep Apr 2016 #50
Republicans are truly a death cult. area51 Apr 2016 #52
paul ryan's "high risk" group doesn't exist redruddyred Apr 2016 #53
Go fuck yourself, Ryan GOPblows431 Apr 2016 #63
The absolutely BEST FlaGranny May 2016 #66
Is Ryan's absence of heart a pre-existing condition? kairos12 May 2016 #67
And many of us want to end the scourge that is Paul Ryan. nt valerief May 2016 #69
I'm not surprised. He's a true modern Republican-- very cruel. Overseas May 2016 #73
Death Panels. KentuckyWoman May 2016 #75
A miserable son of a bitch. Loki May 2016 #78
I was forced into a Texas risk pool Evar May 2016 #80
I hear and read about things Skittles May 2016 #85
Haha, this is literally the only part of the law that had universal approval Arkana May 2016 #82
Paul Ryan is a fucking asshole! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #83
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition krawhitham May 2016 #86

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
5. No, please don't delete it...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

I tell EVERYONE when they post "DUPE", or something of the sort, that they need to remember about the people on here who brag about their ignore lists... so what might be a "DUPE" to one person could be the first time another person saw it...

I don't have anyone on ignore personally, but I know that you have been here long enough to have seen the threads that I'm talking about... and no offense to the person who replied to you with the link, either... maybe they don't know about the huge ignore lists...

Peace,

Ghost

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
79. Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand your reply..
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 AM
May 2016

What's up with the "What's the point? " I thought I made the point quite clear, and maybe you missed this part of my reply:

and no offense to the person who replied to you with the link, either... maybe they don't know about the huge ignore lists...


My sincere apologies if you DID take offense. I know that you didn't ASK her to delete her post, she just offered to, and I gave her a good reason NOT to. Personally?? I don't know why ANYONE would have YOU, or Babylon Sister, on ignore. I find your posts to be interesting & informative, too. Again, my apologies for any misunderstanding, as no offense was intended... to you, or anyone else.

Peace,

Ghost

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Yeah, those risk pools were practically worthless at state level.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

Let's let people with diabetes, cancer, COPD, etc., fend for themselves at mercy of state legislatures.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Yup. Smoke and mirrors. ELIMINATION OF
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

all taxpayer-funded programs, including eventually those state pools he's pretending would cover preexisting conditions, is their real goal.

Ryan, and of course the Kochs and their organization, is a true economic extremist in an era of economic extremism, in which ideas are considered "respectable" now that would have been considered outrageous and shocking just three decades ago.

lastlib

(23,204 posts)
74. GOPDon'tCare at its finest!
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

To you, Ryan, those ten percent are numbers, a cost to the insurance companies who own your soul. To those of us who favor the ACA, they are REAL, live PEOPLE!

FUCK YOU, EddieMunster-Paul Ryan!!!

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
4. WHEN are people going to wake up and realize that the repuke Party is a Domestic Terrorist
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

Organization? They're waging war on the poor, the sick, the elderly, women and LGBT's....

They need to be on the SPLC's Hate Group list...

Peace,

Ghost

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
8. I agree
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

And all those who are telling people "both parties are the same", don't vote for Hillary, or the Bernie or Bust bull, are helping to keep those Domestic Terrorists in charge of our country, and that's just plain insane.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
30. Ghost... perfect way to describe the Repubs....
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

They are nothing but domestic terrorists....

Peace to you...

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
51. excellent graphic description
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

nightmares of the "living dead" - this is how sandra blands mother described criminal justice reps, yesterday during a congressional hearing. these "living dead" are ignoring the entire issue of the increasing numbers of women prisoners who suddenly die while incarcerated. sandra bland was among 6 women prisoners who died in texas prisons within the same month.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
9. Being sick is a moral failing to Republicans.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

Unless it happens to them.

Snarlin' Arlen Specter was against stem cell research.

Then he got cancer.

Guess what? All of a sudden he was in favor of stem cell research, because it saved his life.

Republicans don't care about medical issues until it happens to them.



FUCK PAUL RYAN

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. This will be academic unless someone bows down to giving United Health Care more money.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

If they follow through on leaving that's gonna disrupt access for tens of millions of people.

Too big to fail...



pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
18. FALSE. United Health Care has only covered a tiny fraction of the ACA market. We don't need them.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

They're big elsewhere but NOT in the ACA.

IronLionZion

(45,418 posts)
56. And they are mainly in red states
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/market-share-and-enrollment-of-largest-three-insurers-individual-market/

I am loving the fact that there are more options and more people covered in blue states. The effects on America's demographics are going to profoundly change the political views in this country in future elections.



 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
64. My state didn't establish a state exchange.
Sun May 1, 2016, 02:22 AM
May 2016

Because I'm in a rural area in a red state. I have very few choices. Basically crappy HMOs, and only a few.




It's better than nothing, but not much.

IronLionZion

(45,418 posts)
65. Do you need subsidies?
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

If not, then sometimes private sites will have more options.

http://www.gohealthinsurance.com/

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/

Rural red states are difficult areas in many ways. I have family who had to look off-exchange and found decent plans that worked for them.


CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
11. And, of course, Ryan has his whole family and himself completely covered in his
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

posiition as a member of Congress....paid for by you and me...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
14. wishing bad things on people like Ryan is bad karma so I won't do it.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

I sincerely hope he is OK. I just hope he finds enlightenment and see the Light at some point in his miserable existence...his soul must be corroded...

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
16. I don't wish bad things on him...I just despise him.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

I should feel sorry for him, though. Karma will catch up sometime.

appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
13. Ryan, you who excercise manically to prevent heart disease that took your father,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

and lived thanks to Social Security assistance when you were young are insufferable, amoral, and a hypocrite.

2011, BILL CLINTON Whispering to PAUL RYAN: Election & CUTS TO MEDICARE at billionaire financier Pete Peterson Conference. Peterson, pictured with Clinton below, has been trying to get to the Social Security $2.3 Trillion Trust Fund for years.



appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
61. *BEST VERSION, TYT's Cenk on MEDICARE, Ryan's Budget & Bill C., Other Prominent Dems.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016




MEDICARE was enacted in 1965 during President Lyndon B. Johnson's Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

Wiki: Peter George "PETE" PETERSON (Peter Petropoulos) (born June 5, 1926) is an American businessman, investment banker, fiscal conservative, philanthropist, and author, who served as United States Secretary of Commerce from February 29, 1972 to February 1, 1973. He is also known as founder and principal funder of The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which he established in 2008 with a $1 billion endowment.
*The group focuses on raising public awareness about U.S. fiscal-sustainability issues related to FEDERAL DEFICITS, ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS, and TAX POLICIES.[1] In recognition of his support, the influential[2] Peterson Institute for International Economics was named in his honor in 2006.

Before serving as Secretary of Commerce, Peterson was Chairman and CEO of Bell & Howell, from 1963 to 1971. From 1973 to 1984 he was Chairman and CEO of Lehman Brothers. In 1985 he co-founded the private equity firm, the Blackstone Group, which went public in 2007. Peterson was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations until retiring in 2007, after being named chairman emeritus. In 2008, Peterson was ranked 149th on the "Forbes 400 Richest Americans" with a net worth of $2.8 billion.
*Peterson has been named the most influential billionaire in U.S. politics.[3]
On August 4, 2010, it was announced that he had signed "The Giving Pledge." He was one of 40 billionaires, led by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who agreed to give at least half their wealth to charity.[4] Most of his giving has, however, been to his own foundation, dedicated to forwarding his political views rather than traditional charitable works.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
19. So, for anyone who thinks Hillary is the same as the Rethugs, the ACA will be the first thing to go
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

under a Rethug Presidency.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
21. Everyone gets sick eventually! It sucks being trapped at a job because you cannot afford
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

insurance should you leave, get laid off, or fired. Many employers take full advantage of workers in that situation.

America is supposed to be better than this! We are regressing in all areas, but this one is inhumane and Un-Christian Paul Ryan!!!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
55. Pension
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:17 AM
Apr 2016

I worked for 25 years at one company. My pension is $400 monthly. Medicare and Supplemental insurance eats up 3/4 of that. I am 80 and just had to pay over $3,000 for hearing aides. The British National Health Service cover hearing aides! Why can not the GREATEST country in the world (yeah, right!) have medical coverage like other civilized countries do? Ryan always looks as though he forgot to put his dentures in.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
81. You would probably qualify for MediCAID to pay most of the supplementary costs.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

Retirees: look into this if you don't have much of a pension and see your Medicare coming out of your Social Security.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
22. And then the states will sue to not be forced
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

To participate in the federal grant money. Sound familiar?

chowder66

(9,066 posts)
23. Obamacare is about prevention to keep the risk down.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

Because of the stupid past policies (the pre-existing bullshit) a lot of people got sicker than they ever needed to be.

We all have to pay to fix it because Republicans only know how to make taxpayers pay for their fucking mistakes.
We are always paying for their messes.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
24. This is what the insurance companies are asking for.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

Seriously, it is. If they could have the law forcing people to buy their product, but not be forced by law to insure people with significant medical conditions, they'd have achieved corporate nirvana.

It should be obvious to everyone not working for these people why this is the worst of all possible solutions.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. With that system, many times when someone gets seriously ill,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

the insurance company will attempt to deny the claim by saying that they believe that the illness relates to a pre-existing condition and that therefore they should not have to pay. Because of the massive cost of treating things like cancer the temptation for the less ethical insurance companies to engage in this kind of behavior is enormous. Fighting cancer is bad enough without dealing with insurance companies denying your claim by stating that it is related to a pre-existing condition.

This is a cruel and disgusting proposal which demonstrates why we need a Democratic president and congress.

Johonny

(20,829 posts)
27. Ryan calls for health insurance for only healthy people, car insurance for people that do not drive
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016

life insurance for people that won't die, fire insurance only for inflammable objects...

Dude how many billions do these companies need to make. I got a solution lets all go on state insurance and end the farce of private insurance forever...

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
28. I call bullshit, Mr. Asshole.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

“Less than 10 percent of people under 65 are what we call people with pre-existing conditions, who are really kind of uninsurable,” Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, told a student audience at Georgetown University.

I call bullshit on that...do I know? Nope...but I don't fucking believe him.

My partner has cancer now (discovered in December 2015)...if not for his coverage under the ACA, he would probably be dead shortly.

This kind of fucking shit makes me so angry...and America, why the fuck aren't you angry too?

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
46. 'Who are really kind of uninsurable.'
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

Where uninsurable = there's no effective medical treatment that will cure you.

It speaks VOLUMES that he thinks there's not a difference.

MY TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THIS FUCKERS LUNCH TODAY!!!

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
68. When I had Obamacare for 1 1/2 years it was because NO ONE would insure me after Cobra
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

ran out (almost $500 a month premiums with a temp job). I have Type 2 and high cholesterol and every company, to a person said "Those two prescription drugs are deal-breakers.". I am one of those people Ryan so dismissively call "kind of uninsurable." Thank God I now have a job that I have health care with. If and when that is not the case, I'm screwed, as everyone else in my situation.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
29. Paul Ryan's idea to cover pre-existing conditions via high-risk pools is a scam. Here's how.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-high-risk-pools-20160428-snap-htmlstory.html



Paul Ryan low-balls the number of people with pre-existing conditions to minimize the issue (another us versus them) and calls for them to be covered under state high-risk pools.

But ask yourself, if the number of people with pre-existing conditions is so low, then why should it have any signficant effect on the overall cost of health insurance and health care?


MFM008

(19,804 posts)
31. Eddie Munster doesn't get it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

He wormed his way into being speaker because that's the duplicitous snake he is.
The voters REJECTED him and Romney and their ideas on a large scale in 2012.
Now hes throat farting ways to cut the "fat" from Healthcare.
It didn't take him long to get back to his kill the poor and disabled stance.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
32. How about we just get rid of the health insurance companies all together?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

Then this would be a moot point. Take their needing to make a profit off the table and put those dollars back into healthcare. It would make all of it more affordable, and more accessible.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
33. Don't worry there's no difference between Clinton and a GOP president
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

Don't worry there's no difference between Clinton and a GOP president




Those of you that are not going to vote for Clinton this is what you're voting for

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
76. You got that right. There's a big fucking difference
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

between Hillary and the GOP. They'll remember that soon

dawg

(10,622 posts)
35. I just don't understand.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

I don't understand how anyone with a heart supports these people.

I get that very rich people don't need health insurance protections. But less than 1% of the population is that rich. A million dollar nest egg can be crushed in less than a year if you get sick and fall through the cracks of insurance coverage. Are there really that many people so stupid or naive as to think it could never happen to them?

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
36. When will doctor assisted suicide
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

Be legal?

They can kiss my ass if they think I well live out of a shopping cart due to medically induced poverty.

I would rather end it. Thanks and fuck you republicans.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
41. I am beginning to believe a gun and a bullet needs to be next to the aspirin in the medicine cabinet
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. I wonder if he even knows what that means? He is talking
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

about a great many children born with disabilities. Are we now at the point that the death panels are going to begin with the truly helpless in this world?

appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
59. UK Welfare Minister Lord Freud overheard saying Disabled People 'Not Worth Full Wage'.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

After the incident in 2014 there was outrage and calls for Baron Freud's resignation. Heartless Tory tosser runt.



- Lord Freud disabled wage comments: 'Those words will haunt him', say Tory MPs as peer faces calls to resign. David Cameron distanced himself from the welfare reform minister’s apparent suggestion that some people might not be “worth” the minimum wage.-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-freud-disabled-wage-comments-those-words-will-haunt-him-say-tory-mps-as-peer-faces-calls-to-9796525.html

Wiki: In 2014, Labour MPs called for Freud's resignation after he was secretly recorded responding to a question posed at a fringe meeting of the Conservative Party conference.
The question was whether some people with disabilities should work for a token sum in order to enjoy the non-financial advantages of engaging in the world of work, perhaps with their wages topped up by benefit payments. Freud, thinking out loud, agreed that there was a small group of disabled people who were "not worth the full wage" and said he would go away and think about it.

Freud had to apologise. He said: "I was foolish to accept the premise of the question...I care passionately about disabled people...that is why through Universal Credit...we have increased overall spending on disabled households by £250 million, offered the most generous work allowance ever, and increased the disability addition to £360 per month".[14]
>After the Conservatives won the general election in May 2015, Freud was promoted to Minister of State at the DWP, where he was given an enhanced role in overseeing the expansion of the Universal Credit scheme.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Freud,_Baron_Freud

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
60. That really does not surprise me as the eugenics movement
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

actually got a lot of its philosophy from some of the early English writers. I am glad to see that today at least he had to resign.

It really is ironic that in the USA a lot of these people call themselves right to life. What is the difference between an abortion or a slow death from neglect? IMO the first is by far the easier way to die.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
38. I have health insurance for the first time in 6 years..........
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

during those uninsured years, I was able to find care at a free clinic. When I got insurance I had to choose a PCP, fortunately the Doctor who followed me at the clinic also has a private practice and I was able to get continuity of care by seeing her.

Now if Paul Ryan gets his way on this issue, I will find myself again without health insurance. I am 59, I have type 2 diabetes, and my cataract surgery last week was the 15th surgery I've had since I was 20. I'm sure the health insurance company would easily find a reason to deny coverage for any issue(s).

If this happens it's back to the free clinic, same Doctor, continuity of care.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
40. while we fight Hillary versus Bernie - this type of selfish crap from the gop is the real enemy
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

they don't even want sick people to get help.

So for all the people who won't vote Hillary or Bernie, if a gop person wins, the world you will get is infinitely worse and selfish - like the gop idol ann rand. try to think about how that will feel before not voting for a Democrat - whoever it may be.

I truly hate the gop.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
42. Conservatives hate the AFFORDABLE part of ACA
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

They have succeeded in getting millions to vote against their own best interests, to included health care policy. So why should they stop now?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
71. There really are no cost controls in ACA. We gave them up in 1995 with GATTS.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016

when we decided never to have single payer and started the WTTO to fight against it.

They never told the country about this. Read the citeseer paper in my sig.

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
43. The high risk pool that was in my state prior to Obamacare only covered about 5 specific
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

conditions and, if you didn't have them, you were out of luck since the insurance companies still considered what you had a pre-existing condition. Republicans have no qualms about throwing sick people out in the cold again. They're heartless assholes going in the direct opposite direction of where we should be headed: single-payer.

Praek3

(149 posts)
45. Republicans are High-Risk on All Levels
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

Being a woman was a preexisting condition. And Paul didn't have a problem with that either because apparently he thinks his penis makes him superior.

Paul "My budget numbers make no sense, I am (anything but) a policy wonk, Lyin'" Ryan needs to sit down and STFU.

roomtomove

(217 posts)
47. That's right....fuck the sick and the elderly
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

.....better yet put them in camps you fuckin fascist......you are so dumb that you don't understand the basic concept of insurance or is it you are just plain evil...

Jeb Bartlet

(141 posts)
49. This is the same old tired Rpublcan garbage
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

that these low brows have been peddling out every few years, reduce the cost of insurance by getting rid of poor people and sick people. Republican mantra - "Let them die". Fuck Republicans and fuck Paul Ryan, the steaming little pile of shit.

area51

(11,905 posts)
52. Republicans are truly a death cult.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:47 AM
Apr 2016

Why not just come straight out & say they want us to be more like Sparta?

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
53. paul ryan's "high risk" group doesn't exist
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:04 AM
Apr 2016

we're all on ssdi and therefore medicare
cmon you think they let sick ppl work??
insurance premiums are unaffordable because the industry is greedy af (and most docs are real incompetent at that)

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
66. The absolutely BEST
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

part of the ACA is that people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance. I went without insurance for 6 or 7 years until I was eligible for Medicare. The reason? I was overweight. Healthy, you understand, no illnesses, but overweight. I spent those years praying nothing would happen to me and not seeing a physician the entire time. Now here I am, nearing my 76th birthday and still healthy. I had cataracts removed a few years ago, some dental work, and I will be needing my knees replaced. No heart disease, no diabetes, no cancer though.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s there was no such thing as a pre-existing condition making you ineligible for insurance. Insurance was a whole different animal back then. It changed drastically when large corporations began to be formed to run hospitals. There was no such thing as HCA or Tenet, most hospitals were nonprofits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield was actually a good, affordable health insurance plan. Profits for corporations killed health care for the a large portion of Americans.

Evar

(44 posts)
80. I was forced into a Texas risk pool
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:15 AM
May 2016

I was denied insurance though my husband's company because of a congenital heart condition and ended up in a Texas risk pool. By law, that state's premium rates are higher than the average consumer, and every year they went up. It was frightening, being at the mercy of a bunch of profit-driven actuaries. I finally got on Medicare, and that was a huge relief. Washington and state houses are dominated by godless politicians who support corporate welfare but a "let them eat cake" attitude for struggling working people and the poor. Bernie Sanders often quotes Martin Luther King, “This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor.” How long are we going to put up with immoral politicians who cut food stamps for children but give $1.2 trillion in tax breaks for the rich and for corporations? Vote people like Ryan OUT of office.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
82. Haha, this is literally the only part of the law that had universal approval
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

at its inception.

Nice going, Paulie boy.

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