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https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/paul-ryan-wants-to-end-obamacare-protections-for-people-with-pre-existing-conditions/Paul Ryan wants to end Obamacare protections for people with pre-existing conditions
Reuters
27 Apr 2016 at 22:21 ET
U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan called on Wednesday for an end to Obamacares financial protections for people with serious medical conditions, saying these consumers should be placed in state high-risk pools.
In election-year remarks that could shed light on an expected Republican healthcare alternative, Ryan said existing federal policy that prevents insurers from charging sick people higher rates for health coverage has raised costs for healthy consumers while undermining choice and competition.
The rule, a cornerstone of President Barack Obamas Affordable Care Act, has been praised by patient advocates for providing access to medical care for people who previously could not afford private health insurance. The Affordable Care Act also bars insurers from excluding coverage for pre-existing conditions.
Less than 10 percent of people under 65 are what we call people with pre-existing conditions, who are really kind of uninsurable, Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, told a student audience at Georgetown University.
Lets fund risk pools at the state level to subsidize their coverage, so that they can get affordable coverage, he said. You dramatically lower the price for everybody else. You make health insurance so much more affordable, so much more competitive and open up competition.
Charging the same rates to individuals regardless of their medical history is also a key part of group health plans in the private sector.
House Republicans, after repeated votes to repeal Obamacare, have promised to produce their own alternative to the Affordable Care Act as part of a broader policy agenda intended to attract voters in the Nov. 8 presidential election. The policy document is expected just ahead of the Republican presidential nominating convention in July.
High-risk pools, which existed before the healthcare law, are state-level entities that guarantee coverage for people with health problems. Analysts say they can be prohibitively expensive and offer less than optimal health coverage.
Republicans have proposed state-based risk pools as an Obamacare alternative in the past. Last week, the conservative Republican Study Committee recommended risk pools as part of the House policy agenda, saying premiums should be capped at 200 percent of a states average.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)I'll delete...
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)I tell EVERYONE when they post "DUPE", or something of the sort, that they need to remember about the people on here who brag about their ignore lists... so what might be a "DUPE" to one person could be the first time another person saw it...
I don't have anyone on ignore personally, but I know that you have been here long enough to have seen the threads that I'm talking about... and no offense to the person who replied to you with the link, either... maybe they don't know about the huge ignore lists...
Peace,
Ghost
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)What's the point?
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)What's up with the "What's the point? " I thought I made the point quite clear, and maybe you missed this part of my reply:
My sincere apologies if you DID take offense. I know that you didn't ASK her to delete her post, she just offered to, and I gave her a good reason NOT to. Personally?? I don't know why ANYONE would have YOU, or Babylon Sister, on ignore. I find your posts to be interesting & informative, too. Again, my apologies for any misunderstanding, as no offense was intended... to you, or anyone else.
Peace,
Ghost
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Too expensive for almost everybody.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Let's let people with diabetes, cancer, COPD, etc., fend for themselves at mercy of state legislatures.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)all taxpayer-funded programs, including eventually those state pools he's pretending would cover preexisting conditions, is their real goal.
Ryan, and of course the Kochs and their organization, is a true economic extremist in an era of economic extremism, in which ideas are considered "respectable" now that would have been considered outrageous and shocking just three decades ago.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)To you, Ryan, those ten percent are numbers, a cost to the insurance companies who own your soul. To those of us who favor the ACA, they are REAL, live PEOPLE!
FUCK YOU, EddieMunster-Paul Ryan!!!
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)Organization? They're waging war on the poor, the sick, the elderly, women and LGBT's....
They need to be on the SPLC's Hate Group list...
Peace,
Ghost
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And all those who are telling people "both parties are the same", don't vote for Hillary, or the Bernie or Bust bull, are helping to keep those Domestic Terrorists in charge of our country, and that's just plain insane.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)They are nothing but domestic terrorists....
Peace to you...
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)nightmares of the "living dead" - this is how sandra blands mother described criminal justice reps, yesterday during a congressional hearing. these "living dead" are ignoring the entire issue of the increasing numbers of women prisoners who suddenly die while incarcerated. sandra bland was among 6 women prisoners who died in texas prisons within the same month.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Conservatives are domestic terrorists. Absolutely.
Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)Being sick means God doesn't love you.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Unless it happens to them.
Snarlin' Arlen Specter was against stem cell research.
Then he got cancer.
Guess what? All of a sudden he was in favor of stem cell research, because it saved his life.
Republicans don't care about medical issues until it happens to them.
FUCK PAUL RYAN
BeyondGeography
(39,368 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)If they follow through on leaving that's gonna disrupt access for tens of millions of people.
Too big to fail...
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)They're big elsewhere but NOT in the ACA.
IronLionZion
(45,418 posts)I am loving the fact that there are more options and more people covered in blue states. The effects on America's demographics are going to profoundly change the political views in this country in future elections.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Because I'm in a rural area in a red state. I have very few choices. Basically crappy HMOs, and only a few.
It's better than nothing, but not much.
IronLionZion
(45,418 posts)If not, then sometimes private sites will have more options.
http://www.gohealthinsurance.com/
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/
Rural red states are difficult areas in many ways. I have family who had to look off-exchange and found decent plans that worked for them.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)posiition as a member of Congress....paid for by you and me...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)It galls me that he lives off us.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)I sincerely hope he is OK. I just hope he finds enlightenment and see the Light at some point in his miserable existence...his soul must be corroded...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I should feel sorry for him, though. Karma will catch up sometime.
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)and lived thanks to Social Security assistance when you were young are insufferable, amoral, and a hypocrite.
2011, BILL CLINTON Whispering to PAUL RYAN: Election & CUTS TO MEDICARE at billionaire financier Pete Peterson Conference. Peterson, pictured with Clinton below, has been trying to get to the Social Security $2.3 Trillion Trust Fund for years.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)He's such a good republican.
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)MEDICARE was enacted in 1965 during President Lyndon B. Johnson's Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
Wiki: Peter George "PETE" PETERSON (Peter Petropoulos) (born June 5, 1926) is an American businessman, investment banker, fiscal conservative, philanthropist, and author, who served as United States Secretary of Commerce from February 29, 1972 to February 1, 1973. He is also known as founder and principal funder of The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which he established in 2008 with a $1 billion endowment.
*The group focuses on raising public awareness about U.S. fiscal-sustainability issues related to FEDERAL DEFICITS, ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS, and TAX POLICIES.[1] In recognition of his support, the influential[2] Peterson Institute for International Economics was named in his honor in 2006.
Before serving as Secretary of Commerce, Peterson was Chairman and CEO of Bell & Howell, from 1963 to 1971. From 1973 to 1984 he was Chairman and CEO of Lehman Brothers. In 1985 he co-founded the private equity firm, the Blackstone Group, which went public in 2007. Peterson was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations until retiring in 2007, after being named chairman emeritus. In 2008, Peterson was ranked 149th on the "Forbes 400 Richest Americans" with a net worth of $2.8 billion.
*Peterson has been named the most influential billionaire in U.S. politics.[3]
On August 4, 2010, it was announced that he had signed "The Giving Pledge." He was one of 40 billionaires, led by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who agreed to give at least half their wealth to charity.[4] Most of his giving has, however, been to his own foundation, dedicated to forwarding his political views rather than traditional charitable works.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson
Festivito
(13,452 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Another scheme to punish the sick and poor.
Asshole.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)under a Rethug Presidency.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)...from someone who has a pre-existing condition.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)insurance should you leave, get laid off, or fired. Many employers take full advantage of workers in that situation.
America is supposed to be better than this! We are regressing in all areas, but this one is inhumane and Un-Christian Paul Ryan!!!
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)I worked for 25 years at one company. My pension is $400 monthly. Medicare and Supplemental insurance eats up 3/4 of that. I am 80 and just had to pay over $3,000 for hearing aides. The British National Health Service cover hearing aides! Why can not the GREATEST country in the world (yeah, right!) have medical coverage like other civilized countries do? Ryan always looks as though he forgot to put his dentures in.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Retirees: look into this if you don't have much of a pension and see your Medicare coming out of your Social Security.
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)To participate in the federal grant money. Sound familiar?
chowder66
(9,066 posts)Because of the stupid past policies (the pre-existing bullshit) a lot of people got sicker than they ever needed to be.
We all have to pay to fix it because Republicans only know how to make taxpayers pay for their fucking mistakes.
We are always paying for their messes.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Seriously, it is. If they could have the law forcing people to buy their product, but not be forced by law to insure people with significant medical conditions, they'd have achieved corporate nirvana.
It should be obvious to everyone not working for these people why this is the worst of all possible solutions.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)the insurance company will attempt to deny the claim by saying that they believe that the illness relates to a pre-existing condition and that therefore they should not have to pay. Because of the massive cost of treating things like cancer the temptation for the less ethical insurance companies to engage in this kind of behavior is enormous. Fighting cancer is bad enough without dealing with insurance companies denying your claim by stating that it is related to a pre-existing condition.
This is a cruel and disgusting proposal which demonstrates why we need a Democratic president and congress.
Johonny
(20,829 posts)life insurance for people that won't die, fire insurance only for inflammable objects...
Dude how many billions do these companies need to make. I got a solution lets all go on state insurance and end the farce of private insurance forever...
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Less than 10 percent of people under 65 are what we call people with pre-existing conditions, who are really kind of uninsurable, Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, told a student audience at Georgetown University.
I call bullshit on that...do I know? Nope...but I don't fucking believe him.
My partner has cancer now (discovered in December 2015)...if not for his coverage under the ACA, he would probably be dead shortly.
This kind of fucking shit makes me so angry...and America, why the fuck aren't you angry too?
Volaris
(10,269 posts)Where uninsurable = there's no effective medical treatment that will cure you.
It speaks VOLUMES that he thinks there's not a difference.
MY TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THIS FUCKERS LUNCH TODAY!!!
Boomerproud
(7,951 posts)ran out (almost $500 a month premiums with a temp job). I have Type 2 and high cholesterol and every company, to a person said "Those two prescription drugs are deal-breakers.". I am one of those people Ryan so dismissively call "kind of uninsurable." Thank God I now have a job that I have health care with. If and when that is not the case, I'm screwed, as everyone else in my situation.
Justice
(7,185 posts)http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-high-risk-pools-20160428-snap-htmlstory.html
Paul Ryan low-balls the number of people with pre-existing conditions to minimize the issue (another us versus them) and calls for them to be covered under state high-risk pools.
But ask yourself, if the number of people with pre-existing conditions is so low, then why should it have any signficant effect on the overall cost of health insurance and health care?
MFM008
(19,804 posts)He wormed his way into being speaker because that's the duplicitous snake he is.
The voters REJECTED him and Romney and their ideas on a large scale in 2012.
Now hes throat farting ways to cut the "fat" from Healthcare.
It didn't take him long to get back to his kill the poor and disabled stance.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)Then this would be a moot point. Take their needing to make a profit off the table and put those dollars back into healthcare. It would make all of it more affordable, and more accessible.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Don't worry there's no difference between Clinton and a GOP president
Those of you that are not going to vote for Clinton this is what you're voting for
realmirage
(2,117 posts)between Hillary and the GOP. They'll remember that soon
dawg
(10,622 posts)I don't understand how anyone with a heart supports these people.
I get that very rich people don't need health insurance protections. But less than 1% of the population is that rich. A million dollar nest egg can be crushed in less than a year if you get sick and fall through the cracks of insurance coverage. Are there really that many people so stupid or naive as to think it could never happen to them?
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Be legal?
They can kiss my ass if they think I well live out of a shopping cart due to medically induced poverty.
I would rather end it. Thanks and fuck you republicans.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)about a great many children born with disabilities. Are we now at the point that the death panels are going to begin with the truly helpless in this world?
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)After the incident in 2014 there was outrage and calls for Baron Freud's resignation. Heartless Tory tosser runt.
- Lord Freud disabled wage comments: 'Those words will haunt him', say Tory MPs as peer faces calls to resign. David Cameron distanced himself from the welfare reform ministers apparent suggestion that some people might not be worth the minimum wage.-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-freud-disabled-wage-comments-those-words-will-haunt-him-say-tory-mps-as-peer-faces-calls-to-9796525.html
Wiki: In 2014, Labour MPs called for Freud's resignation after he was secretly recorded responding to a question posed at a fringe meeting of the Conservative Party conference.
The question was whether some people with disabilities should work for a token sum in order to enjoy the non-financial advantages of engaging in the world of work, perhaps with their wages topped up by benefit payments. Freud, thinking out loud, agreed that there was a small group of disabled people who were "not worth the full wage" and said he would go away and think about it.
Freud had to apologise. He said: "I was foolish to accept the premise of the question...I care passionately about disabled people...that is why through Universal Credit...we have increased overall spending on disabled households by £250 million, offered the most generous work allowance ever, and increased the disability addition to £360 per month".[14]
>After the Conservatives won the general election in May 2015, Freud was promoted to Minister of State at the DWP, where he was given an enhanced role in overseeing the expansion of the Universal Credit scheme.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Freud,_Baron_Freud
jwirr
(39,215 posts)actually got a lot of its philosophy from some of the early English writers. I am glad to see that today at least he had to resign.
It really is ironic that in the USA a lot of these people call themselves right to life. What is the difference between an abortion or a slow death from neglect? IMO the first is by far the easier way to die.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)during those uninsured years, I was able to find care at a free clinic. When I got insurance I had to choose a PCP, fortunately the Doctor who followed me at the clinic also has a private practice and I was able to get continuity of care by seeing her.
Now if Paul Ryan gets his way on this issue, I will find myself again without health insurance. I am 59, I have type 2 diabetes, and my cataract surgery last week was the 15th surgery I've had since I was 20. I'm sure the health insurance company would easily find a reason to deny coverage for any issue(s).
If this happens it's back to the free clinic, same Doctor, continuity of care.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)they don't even want sick people to get help.
So for all the people who won't vote Hillary or Bernie, if a gop person wins, the world you will get is infinitely worse and selfish - like the gop idol ann rand. try to think about how that will feel before not voting for a Democrat - whoever it may be.
I truly hate the gop.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)Skittles
(153,142 posts)seriously
Zambero
(8,964 posts)They have succeeded in getting millions to vote against their own best interests, to included health care policy. So why should they stop now?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)when we decided never to have single payer and started the WTTO to fight against it.
They never told the country about this. Read the citeseer paper in my sig.
Vinca
(50,258 posts)conditions and, if you didn't have them, you were out of luck since the insurance companies still considered what you had a pre-existing condition. Republicans have no qualms about throwing sick people out in the cold again. They're heartless assholes going in the direct opposite direction of where we should be headed: single-payer.
Initech
(100,060 posts)Praek3
(149 posts)Being a woman was a preexisting condition. And Paul didn't have a problem with that either because apparently he thinks his penis makes him superior.
Paul "My budget numbers make no sense, I am (anything but) a policy wonk, Lyin'" Ryan needs to sit down and STFU.
roomtomove
(217 posts).....better yet put them in camps you fuckin fascist......you are so dumb that you don't understand the basic concept of insurance or is it you are just plain evil...
Rex
(65,616 posts)He can go fuck himself. Perpetually forever.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)who else would
Jeb Bartlet
(141 posts)that these low brows have been peddling out every few years, reduce the cost of insurance by getting rid of poor people and sick people. Republican mantra - "Let them die". Fuck Republicans and fuck Paul Ryan, the steaming little pile of shit.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)he wants me to die
area51
(11,905 posts)Why not just come straight out & say they want us to be more like Sparta?
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)we're all on ssdi and therefore medicare
cmon you think they let sick ppl work??
insurance premiums are unaffordable because the industry is greedy af (and most docs are real incompetent at that)
GOPblows431
(51 posts)Typical repuke POS.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)part of the ACA is that people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance. I went without insurance for 6 or 7 years until I was eligible for Medicare. The reason? I was overweight. Healthy, you understand, no illnesses, but overweight. I spent those years praying nothing would happen to me and not seeing a physician the entire time. Now here I am, nearing my 76th birthday and still healthy. I had cataracts removed a few years ago, some dental work, and I will be needing my knees replaced. No heart disease, no diabetes, no cancer though.
Back in the 1950s and 1960s there was no such thing as a pre-existing condition making you ineligible for insurance. Insurance was a whole different animal back then. It changed drastically when large corporations began to be formed to run hospitals. There was no such thing as HCA or Tenet, most hospitals were nonprofits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield was actually a good, affordable health insurance plan. Profits for corporations killed health care for the a large portion of Americans.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)They are real.
Loki
(3,825 posts)The republican party is full of them.
Evar
(44 posts)I was denied insurance though my husband's company because of a congenital heart condition and ended up in a Texas risk pool. By law, that state's premium rates are higher than the average consumer, and every year they went up. It was frightening, being at the mercy of a bunch of profit-driven actuaries. I finally got on Medicare, and that was a huge relief. Washington and state houses are dominated by godless politicians who support corporate welfare but a "let them eat cake" attitude for struggling working people and the poor. Bernie Sanders often quotes Martin Luther King, This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor. How long are we going to put up with immoral politicians who cut food stamps for children but give $1.2 trillion in tax breaks for the rich and for corporations? Vote people like Ryan OUT of office.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)but personal stories like this really drive it home
Arkana
(24,347 posts)at its inception.
Nice going, Paulie boy.