Girl has Sex With 25 Guys But It is Not A "Whore" Problem; It is A Mental Health Problem

[discocrisco01]

ABC 7 reports (http://abc7.com/news/several-boys-film-sex-act-with-girl-in-school-bathroom-post-to-social-media-police-say/1350858/)
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FORT MYERS, Fla. --
One female student and multiple males had sex in a South Fort Myers High School bathroom, filmed it and then posted the video on social media, according to a police report.

Officials said 25 males were seen entering the bathroom Tuesday after school.

A single girl was also with the boys, and that is when police said a sexual act was performed.

Officials said the graphic video was then posted to social media

This stuff probably happened throughout modern times. During Flower Generation stuff like this was going, it just was not reported. But because of social media, we get to learn about our kid's dirty secrets. It is just that social media now makes what we known about a long time that teenagers do what teenagers do.

Still, it is a really sad that teenager let herself be take advantage by 25 guys but it is still conseual sex. In reality, it is teenager girl with sex addiction problem that needs to be treated before it gets out of control. To me, this a person who deep emotional problems that feels that her only way to get attention is to have sex with 25 boys and announce it to the world. Instead of punishing the teenager, the best way is to treat this like addiction issue and trying to look for the reasons behind why the person needs to subject herself to STDs and potential pregency.

For me, it is a mental health issue and not morality issue. The word "slut" is not the proper word. An addict is better word and mental health model is the best way to go.

[forjusticethunders]

1. Why is her sex life your business?

[Blue_Tires]

40. It's evidently the world's business if she splays it on social media...

real classy...

[uppityperson]

74. "SEVERAL BOYS FILM SEX ACT WITH GIRL IN SCHOOL BATHROOM, POST TO SOCIAL MEDIA, POLICE SAY"

says the headline of the story

[Blue_Tires]

76. Well if the act was consensual, I'm guessing so was the filming?

Unless I'm missing something and force or coercion was involved here...

[uppityperson]

77. Personally I'm not jumping to any conclusions, just passing on the info I read

[LisaL]

95. Again, minors involved. Making videos of minors having sex is illegal.

It doesn't make a difference if minor is o'key with it or not.

[Haveadream]

193. Correct - In legal terms it is disseminating child pornography

That makes it a legal issue. As such, she cannot be a consenting adult. The whole situation is problematic on multiple levels. No participant in this is going to look back and feel good about it. Anyone with sense would be concerned for her emotional and physical welfare.

[anigbrowl]

118. No it isn't

I post some of what I do on social media. You can comment on it if you want but that doesn't make it your business. Why would you think you have any ownership or authority over what someone does just because they choose to let it be public?

[LisaL]

134. If you post thing on social media, don't be surprised if people you don't know are discussing

it.

[okieinpain]

137. Thank you. Friends I know on

Facebook are always posting anti gay stuff or you only need Jesus, but your not supposed to ask questions.

[Johnny2X2X]

53. Agree

To make assumptions about this girl and her mental health is wrong. There is nothing inherently wrong with her mental health to make the choice she did. At face value, we know little of her motivations and nothing of her mental health.

[rug]

82. If it makes it to a jury it will be a jury's problem.

[Scuba]

2. There's something about the phrase "let herself be take advantage" that bothers me ...

... besides the grammar error.

I guess there's something about the assumption that her great desire for sex is a mental health issue that bothers me too. Why do you assume this means she has "deep emotional problems"?


Not defending or condemning anyone here, but there's something about the language being used that doesn't sit well with me.

[melman]

8. Why do you assume

she had a "great desire for sex" when you really have no idea?

[Scuba]

9. You're correct, I should have assumed that just as the OP shouldn't have assumed mental illness.

[Eleanors38]

87. Is it remotely possible she is the female equivalent of a swordsman?

Consider also that getting some kinda fame outta a Ft. Myers H.S. can be difficult.

Poor janitor.

[treestar]

101. Agree - old fashioned idea that women are taken advantage of

and there reason why the f word also is used to mean taken advantage of.

Man doing the same thing would not be considered that way.

[tazkcmo]

103. This was my first thought.

Maybe she enjoys what she's doing? Of course we're talking about a minor here but minors also have feelings, wants and desires but more to the point: A male (minor or not) would be in the He-man Hall Of Fame for this. Unless it was with a bunch of other men. That too would be labeled "mental illness".

She may have low self esteem. She may have a "mental illness". She may be discovering and experimenting with her sexuality. Who knows but her? What ever the case, I hope the person that posted this on the internet is prosecuted for child porn.

[me b zola]

179. I too am bothered by the assumptions made about a female's sexuality

If a male had multiple partners at a time he would be considered a "god". A girl with multiple partners? Well she must be a slut or is mentally ill~or both.

There may be other things going on, but it really pisses me off that women's sex lives seem to be up for scrutiny in a manner that men's sex lives are not.

[Schema Thing]

3. I'll probably need a few more facts before I make my incredibly knowledgeable diagnoses.

[closeupready]

43. Then you can't consider yourself a competent DU member.

[Egnever]

5. .

[Eleanors38]

88. Should be johnnyhydraulic.

[Texasgal]

10. Uh...what?

Are you an adult?

Wow.

[PersonNumber503602]

50. Teenage could mean 18 and 19 too, I suppose.

Although given the context of this story, I'd say that was an odd statement.

[Dont call me Shirley]

6. OTOH guys are studs when they have sex with 25 girls in a day. Go figure. The real problem is

the gender inequality regarding sexuality. Girls have "mental problems" or are called sluts and are shamed when they have alot of partners, when guys are macho studs who are celebrated when they have alot of partners.

Childhood sexual abuse can lead to promiscuity. Girls are 4 x more likely to be sexually abused by the time they reach their teens than boys. The shame of sexual abuse associated with either gender is equally as destructive to a developing child.

[Skittles]

11. I think they're sick

[Dont call me Shirley]

12. Which ones? Or both?

[MosheFeingold]

52. Ah, young grasshoper

The double standard is because it would be the rarest of men who could have sex with 25 willing woman a day (both due to biological limitations and and due to the fact that women are generally the gatekeepers of sex).

Whereas, almost any given woman could find 25 guys to have sex with her.

But, yes, both would be gross and have some sort of issues going on.

[Jester Messiah]

58. Yeah, that'd be some kind of stamina! n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

117. Women have some biological limitaions also. Ouch after a while.

[Dorian Gray]

142. Yes

there is no way that having sex with 25 boys would be a pleasant experience. Hence the presumption that she was coerced in some way by so many on this thread.

[Eleanors38]

89. I think she is "turning the tide" regarding gender equality.

[Dont call me Shirley]

116. If she wants to and she truly enjoys it why not? Women deserve sexual pleasure too.

[LisaL]

125. You seriously have to ask why not?

[MosheFeingold]

170. Take this out of the sexual content for a bit

Let says it was food and she was extreme binge eating, in the same manner this is binge sex.

I'm not one to begrudge anyone a good meal.

But if you eat 25, you've got issues of some kind, either external or internal.

[Dont call me Shirley]

187. Agreed..

Suspected childhood sexual trauma.

[NightWatcher]

7. Is bad judgment a mental illness?

No one knows the motivation or what really happened.

[Chan790]

13. I find your post judgmental.

Why are you automatically assuming that she was taken advantage of, has a problem, or is mentally-ill? I find that equally problematic to a teenage girl having sex with multiple partners in what was probably not a safe manner (and that is the totality of my "problem" with what she did...I get the impression this was not safer sex)...why are you so keen to deny her consent in all this or her personal agency in deciding what to do with her body?

[jonno99]

78. So in your world it's not unusual for teen-age girls to have sex with 25 guys in a school bathroom?

And if I understand you correctly, the most concerning thing here really is that this wasn't "safe sex"?

m'kay...

[Chan790]

97. It's unusual, but it's not my place to criticize it.

Her body, her choices to make in regards to what she does with it and with whom.

[Throd]

99. IT"S A FUCKING STUPID CHOICE ON EVERY LEVEL!!!

I'll criticize it all day long.

[Chan790]

100. ...and I'll not respect you for being so judgemental for just as long. n/t

[Throd]

104. Jesus F. Christ dude, you set a low bar for society.

[Chan790]

105. Repecting personal bodily autonomy...

means respecting it for all decisions, not just the ones you like.

I can think of no society more depraved than that which does not respect the bodily autonomy of its citizenry.

[Throd]

110. Some things are just plain idiotic and not worthy of respect.

You want to tattoo a swastika on your forehead? Go for it! You want to fuck 25 guys in a public restroom? Go for it! You have the right to do that, but don't get all butthurt when people think you have made a very poor decision.

[Separation]

201. When it became a crime

The fact that they were minors in a filmed sexual act then posted online.

[Giggity]

158. You're right. It's not your place....

It is the place of a potential employer (I don't think teaching is in her future)
A good parent.
Any social affiliations.

It is her choice, but to pretend that chosen actions don't have consequences is just ignorant.

[Chan790]

166. More slut-shaming dressed up as "concern"

If it wasn't so vile, it would be tedious.

Her body, her choice...not mine, yours, potential employers, any social affiliations.

[Giggity]

173. I never claimed any concern.

"Her body, her choice"
It is.
However it is my (and everybody else's) mind and my choice on how to judge such choices.

I am certain the consequences of my judgement of such actions are far better than the consequences of committing such actions.

[Yavin4]

86. So, you're judging a judgemental post?

Interesting.

[davidn3600]

14. So if a teen boy had sex with 25 girls....does that make him mentally ill?

Heck, a lot of fathers would share a beer with him. His peers would praise him....high-fives all around.

[Haveadream]

194. I would be worried about him, yes

On no level would I think a minor teenage boy servicing 25 of his peers of any sex in the high school bathroom to be in a good psychological place. Sorry. No.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

195. I don't know any such father.

that would be sharing a beer with his son after such an episode.

Maybe Ethan Couch's dad, but I've always operated on the assumption that the vast majority of parents have more sense than that.

[dorkzilla]

15. This may be the oddest OP I've ever read here

...And that's saying something.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Agreed

A deeply disturbing post. Not the content. The fact that this was posted.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

41. I disagree because it opens dialog like this comment by davidn3600

So if a teen boy had sex with 25 girls....does that make him mentally ill?

Heck, a lot of fathers would share a beer with him. His peers would praise him....high-fives all around.

[gollygee]

16. There's no way to know for sure what's going on, but hypersexuality is sometimes a symptom

Of having been a victim of sexual abuse.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/somatic-psychology/201303/trauma-childhood-sexual-abuse

Another legacy of sexual abuse is that children abused at any early age often become hyper-sexualized or sexually reactive. Issues with promiscuity and poor self-esteem are unfortunately common reactions to early sexual abuse.

[grasswire]

30. would that include child-to-child abuse, I wonder?

I know a man who told me that he was sexualized by an eight year old girl when he was about five. This man is what would be called a womanizer or player, and has had real difficulties with relationships over his adult life.

I don't know much about this.

[bemildred]

42. Playing doctor is not exactly new.

This desire we have to keep our children ignorant about themselves has always mystified me.

[grasswire]

44. well, this was not playing doctor

It was a girl who had been sexually abused by a man in her family getting this much younger boy to put his penis in her vagina.

But I found the answer to my question on google. Sorry for the interruption here.

[bemildred]

45. I quite believe that.

I have doubts that that explains all you need to know about his behavior, or justifies it.

But I think status relations between the participants matter a lot too. Two small children being curious is a much different thing from an older sexually more mature person using someone weaker for their own pleasure. And I think that distinction matters. The failure of adults to deal with sex like adults has much to do with the confusion young people feel when confronted with their own sexuality.

[grasswire]

46. something else interesting and sad...

...are the recent stats showing that young men and women are nearly fifty percent likely to receive no sex education prior to experiencing sex for the first time. That's pretty horrifying to me. No education to counter the crap they might see on the Internet. No education to balance out what they "learn" from each other. I s'pose we have fundies to thank for that, tinkering with schools.

[bemildred]

49. +1.

That was me. It still pisses me off. But I'm a guy, the women should really be pissed off about it. Knowledge is power, and the lack of it isn't.

[gwheezie]

17. My concern 1st is for the girl

There is something else going on. High school is difficult enough.

[melman]

19. I really find it bizarre

the way people in this thread are going on about "sexual agency"..."boys would be celebrated"...blah blah.

A 25 on 1 gang bang situation in a school bathroom filmed and posted online is not good. It's just not.


Something is seriously wrong when people can't see that. It doesn't make you judgmental if you do. Just sane.

[Dorian Gray]

33. This is exactly

what my problem is. Who are these 25 guys???? Why would they want to do this, one after the next? Where was the girl's choice in this? Who posted it online?

The discussion about her choice is one thing... but it reads as though it was abusive toward her. There is a chance it wasn't, I suppose, and she wanted this to happen and wanted to post it online. But that chance is miniscule.

[Throd]

60. Thank you for a ray of sanity.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

107. Thank you.

What's wrong with some of the people here?

[840high]

140. .+1

[IronLionZion]

175. 25 girls on 1 guy in a school bathroom is a normal occurence

in the imaginations of some of our more insane DUers who think people can't possibly be concerned for the well-being of a school girl because we must hate girls or something.

[lumberjack_jeff]

177. I think it reflects bad judgment, boy or girl, gay or straight.

Mental illness? No. Failure to anticipate consequences? Yes.

Yes, it is the job of parents and school staff to try to protect kids from the consequences of the poor judgment that all kids suffer from.

[cleanhippie]

178. I think the point is, that were this a teenage boy that had sex with 25 girls in the bathroom...

...the story would not be "Boy has mental health issues", it would be "25 mentally unstable girls have sex with teen boy".

Seeing the problem here?

[IronLionZion]

181. When has that ever happened?

[cleanhippie]

185. Are you saying it would t turn out that way if the roles were reversed?

[IronLionZion]

188. Show me a case where it happened

and we can see what the reactions were. Otherwise it is just speculation without any real data as evidence.

[cleanhippie]

189. Right, so you're going with the "girl is a whore or has mental problems".

You can act as obtuse about my point as you want to be, but everyone reading this knows where you stand.

[XemaSab]

20. WOW

If it wasn't forcible rape, no way she doesn't have a history of abuse.

I can't believe anyone is speculating that she might have been into it.

[tavernier]

22. The football team.

I guess that's the new way of showing school spirit.

The girl was disciplined, according to local news accounts.

Some comments from fellow students indicated their sadness because "now we may not have a football team next year".
That was the priority.

I'm really wondering what kind of homes these children come from. I personally know many teens and can't imagine them being involved in anything like this.

[Dorian Gray]

34. SHE was disciplined?

Not them?

[Orrex]

36. Well, obviously. The boys were just being boys.

But the girl was the evil source of corruption, as always.

[tavernier]

38. One paper stated that she was disciplined,

another said that all students involved were disciplined. It was mentioned in several places that the girl's mother is not pressing charges.

Other students who saw the videos said they were sickened by them and couldn't believe it happened at their school.

I don't have a sick interest in this story as it may appear, but as it happens I have a grandson in high school who has seriously been looking into attending college in that area and so we are acutely aware of the story.

[MosheFeingold]

83. ALL were disciplined n/t

[womanofthehills]

23. Years ago, I worked in an after school youth program

and this happened twice - not 25 guys but about 6 to 10 guys in the bathroom with one girl.

Once it was definitely about drugs - the girl had a drug addiction and was doing some trading. The second girl said she just wanted to be popular with the boys.

I think it's sad and I do not think it's really about sex.

[Hekate]

24. This is a crappy prurient post. Why is it here?

[snooper2]

39. because Florida?

[noneko]

25. Maybe it's her fetish?

Everyones saying maybe she's been sexually assaulted in the past or is mentally ill. This also doesn't necessarily make her addicted to sex either (nymphomaniac is the proper term here).

Maybe she's trying to find what she enjoys sexually and being gang banged and an exhibitionist is something she likes. Being that age is so confusing and there's no one you can talk to about sex for the most part. If this was all consensual then it should be fine. It's her life so she should live it as she pleases. She may or may not regret it later but that's part of life.

The only thing wrong about this is if the video was shared without her permission or even recorded without her permission. She should press charges if that's the case.

People have weird and mind blowing fetishes that others will never understand (not that this is weird or mind blowing per se). So we shouldn't judge or call her a slut.

[Press Virginia]

28. Either way she'll be forever known and the girl who banged 25 guys

in the bathroom.
There are certain decisions that one never outlives.
And the bad part is, the slut shaming will come from the other girls. The guys will just see her as an easy way to get laid.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

196. Maybe her fetish is fucking the school principal

on the school principal's desk while 25 boys watch, but that doesn't make it anything but fucking stupid!

And don't tell me the principal would be an adult - both of these situations are fucking awful.

No, I'm not going to call her a slut - I'm going to say that she has some kind of mental issues, be it bi-polar, previously sexual abused, an extreme desire to be popular, extremely bad judgment. Whatever. The girl has issues, and so do these boys - at the least very bad judgment.

I feel for her. And a lot of those guys are going to grow up to be men who will regret doing this, as well.

[bighart]

199. Care to comment on this new information?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027858179

[noneko]

203. Wow I'm glad they did an indepth investigation.

She is obviously a victim and those boys should be punished. I hope they get sentenced to jail and learn compassion. Not that jail helps anyone or makes them a better person...but they do need to know that there will be consequences.

I only brought up fetishes because a lot of people judge or look down on others with unusual fetishes. They make arguments as to why they have these feelings or habits and see it as wrong. It was only a hypothesis in this situation. As I said before she could have been taken advantage in some way as well which turned out to be true.

[Press Virginia]

26. She's likely Bi-polar

Risky behavior and increased sex drive are symptoms.
Then again she might have been trying to win a bet with on of her friends, just like a guy might do.

[TexasBushwhacker]

192. I thought the same thing n/t

[noneko]

27. Here's a link the the video

http://www.abc-7.com/story/32021612/s-fort-myers-students-disciplined-for-inappropriate-activity-in-girls-bathroom

[Bad Dog]

29. This reminds me of Last Exit To Brooklyn.

Where Tralala ends up being team fucked in the back of a burnt out car, one of the most disturbing scenes in the book.

[forjusticethunders]

31. So when a girl enjoys sex

The assumption is that she's either mentally ill or an abuse survivor.

just wow

[Press Virginia]

32. Gangbangs with 25 guys, in a bathroom, isn't normal behavior

for HS girls...or even women in general.
25 partners? No big deal. 25 in a row, little odd for someone not getting paid to make porn.

[womanofthehills]

126. OMG! You don't see there is something grossly wrong here.

[Orrex]

35. How old were the participants?

One female student and multiple males had sex in a South Fort Myers High School bathroom, filmed it and then posted the video on social media, according to a police report.

The article doesn't appear to indicate the ages of the participants.

Someone (or several someones) could potentially be facing rather serious charges.

[XemaSab]

47. The girl's 15

n/t

[Orrex]

48. Thanks. (nt)

[PJMcK]

56. Would statutory rape be applicable if the girl is under 16 years old? (n/t)

[LisaL]

165. Depends on how old the males are.

As far as I can tell males are also minors.

[PJMcK]

171. The law doesn't reference the age of an assailant

If the news report is correct, the girl was minor and this story has the components of Statutory Rape. Here's a link to an outline of Statutory Rape Laws:

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/florida-statutory-rape-laws.htm

Statutory rape laws make minors legally incapable of giving consent to sexual activities. Therefore even if the minor “consented,” the sexual activity was nonetheless illegal and the defendant may be convicted of rape."

[LisaL]

172. If two 15 year old are having "illegal sex" which one should be the "defendant?"

It's illegal for both of them since they are both below the age of legal consent.

[SwankyXomb]

66. Whoever made and posted the video

could be looking at child porn charges.

[LisaL]

174. That's very true.

And it doesn't matter if that person is a minor.

[IronLionZion]

37. Has anyone questioned the girl involved?

it's OK to be concerned for someone's well-being without it being a gender discrimination issue. You know, to see if she consented to all of this.

I'd be concerned about physical health as well.

[LisaL]

168. Obviously she was questioned.

[IronLionZion]

176. Obviously

[HooptieWagon]

51. And if she had shot 25 guys it isn't a mental health problem?

[My Good Babushka]

54. If lunch break was a half an hour

and she did 25 teenage boys
that only left her about seventeen minutes to eat.

badum-ching

[PJMcK]

55. Gosh, I thought this was a serious thread (n/t)

[My Good Babushka]

57. Well, you were wrong.

It's just a lot of speculation about things we won't and can't know because they are minors, and the female child's medical history shouldn't and won't be released. A futile exercise in armchair psychoanalysis, aka, gossip.

[PJMcK]

62. I agree with your comments in #57

But your joke was offensive. A child was gang raped and your response was to make a joke.

[My Good Babushka]

63. Girl has Sex with 25 Guys (should read Boys)

nothing about rape in that headline, so I'm not going to speculate.

[PJMcK]

64. Statutory rape

If the girl is 15 years old, as is pointed up up-thread, do statutory rape charges apply?

[My Good Babushka]

65. I do not believe that anyone should be charged with rape

if they were all consenting even if they were all minors. I do not subscribe to the belief that all sex amongst minors is rape.

[PJMcK]

67. The kids involved were minors

Your second sentence makes sense to me and I primarily agree. Further, by the descriptions of the event, the girl was not forced to participate. Nonetheless, by law, she was minor and this has the components of Statutory Rape. Here's a link to an outline of Statutory Rape Laws:

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/florida-statutory-rape-laws.htm

This is from the outline:

"Statutory rape laws make minors legally incapable of giving consent to sexual activities. Therefore even if the minor “consented,” the sexual activity was nonetheless illegal and the defendant may be convicted of rape."

Your opinion is in conflict with the law. And while I enjoy an off-color joke more than most people, I still think your joke here was inappropriate. But in the end, I've enjoyed our discussion and have to get back to work.

[My Good Babushka]

68. If they were all minors

then they were all raped. The law is inadequate to handle the spectrum of sexual maturation, and we will always have troubles and discrepancies in trying to apply laws to sex. A dumb joke about the brevity of teenage sex is no worse than a lot of speculation about the mental health of minors, or insinuating they were abused with a lot of gossiping and rumor-mongering. This whole story seems to have been introduced to get a salacious rise, and it deserves a pie in the face.
Back to the salt mines with you! Get to work!
I have to go make dinner!

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

112. A good DA...

...could make that stick, yes.

[LisaL]

131. Depending on state statutory rape laws, DA could bring charges against those involved.

Some DAs even have tried to charge males and females in that type of a situation. Public usually doesn't approve of that.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

153. If a 18 year old....

...was in the crowd or taking photos or cheering them on, or whatever...

He could be held criminally liable.

And the camera makes it child porn, which is VERY serious.

[LisaL]

160. Child porn would be a crime regardless of how old the person taping it was.

So whoever made child porn doesn't have to be 18.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

161. Good point.

Thank you. There are people here having a hissy fit when someone takes the males in the group to task.

As if it were a consensual choice to have 'sex' in a restroom.

[womanofthehills]

138. She did not have sex with 25 guys

Most of the guys were watching.

[Jester Messiah]

59. How is the word "whore" even part of this discussion?

Unless she was charging for admittance, this is just consensual sex.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

113. "consensual sex"

At 15 it is not consensual.

That's not legally possible.

[Orrex]

121. Then it wasn't consensual for the boys either

At least, not if they're below the age of majority.

Would you have her charged with statutory rape as well, in the name of consistency?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

145. In high school....

There are 18 year olds.

[Orrex]

146. In high school....

There are non-18 year olds, too.

Were all of the boys in the story 18?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

147. The camera makes it..

Child porn.

That's about the worst thing there is in our society, rightfully so.

[Orrex]

148. You keep shifting your position.

In reply #113 you claimed that sex at age 15 can't be consensual, implying that it's automatically rape.

I then asked the ages of the boys, and you didn't answer. Instead, you shifted the discussion and pointed out the profoundly obvious truth that there are some 18 year olds in high school, a fact that no one disputes.

When I pointed out the equally obvious truth that there are also non-18 year olds in high school, you shifted the discussion again to make a claim about child porn, still without having answered the first question.

What if she willingly consented to the act with a 15 year old boy? Would he be guilty of statutory rape, since you claim she can't consent? Would she be guilty of statutory rape, because by your logic the boy can't consent either?


Also, I don't accept that you really believe a 15 year old is unable to give consent, but let's find out: what if she gets pregnant? Does she have legal standing, in your opinion, to give consent to an abortion? If she does, then by what standard do you determine when a 15 year old is or is not legally able to give consent?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

150. "What if she willingly consented to the act with a 15 year old boy?"

At 15, she is not legally able to give consent.

If there was an 18 year old nearby, encouraging the act, the age of the male physical participant does not matter.

Facilitating.

Oh, and by the way, you are not paying me to deliver a highly structured opinion.

My point of view, there are individuals in that group that are legally liable.

[Orrex]

155. "you are not paying me to deliver a highly structured opinion. "

No shit, because you haven't demonstrated your opinion to be worth paying for. Nevertheless, since you seem broadly familiar with online communication, I'd hope for at least some level of coherence, but apparently this isn't forthcoming either.

And you're still shifting your position. Instead of answering a simple, direct question, you respond with "well what if this instead?"

Let's try again: by your logic, a 15-year-old girl can't legally give consent, so a 15-year-old girl who has sex is, by your logic, automatically the victim of statutory rape. But what if the 15-year-old girl has sex with a 15-year-old boy? Is either guilty of statutory rape? Is neither? Are both? Why or why not?

If there was an 18 year old nearby, encouraging the act, the age of the male physical participant does not matter. Facilitating.

Well, that's a load of nonsense. Unless coercion was demonstrably involved, or unless you imagine the girl to be an entirely helpless victim with no agency, then you're basically making stuff up. And you're still avoiding the question.

While we're at it, here's the other simple question you seem unable to answer: when is a 15-year-old legally able to give consent? Never? Always? In some circumstances but not others?

My point of view, there are individuals in that group that are legally liable.

That is, you're content with guessing and gossiping without considering the underlying issues. How nice for you.

[LisaL]

163. Legally 15 year old isn't able to give consent to sex.

If both male and female are 15 year old then neither is legally able to consent so I don't think either one can be charged in FL. Now, if males are older by a certain age that could be a different story. But making child porn is illegal regardless of the age of the maker.

[Orrex]

169. Now we're getting somewhere.

Now, if males are older by a certain age that could be a different story.

Agreed, but with a stipulation: if they participated and are 18 or older, then the law might indeed agree that they can be charged with statutory rape, though I believe that some jurisdictions treat this differently. I'm also not sure how those who observed without participating and without filming might be charged, if at all.

But making child porn is illegal regardless of the age of the maker.

I believe that this is true, though I seem to recall some support building to reduce the criminal penalty for "selfies" taken in this context. Not sure where that might have been, though.

[Jester Messiah]

141. Point stands though, no money changed hands. n/t

[Oneironaut]

61. The only bad thing is posting the video online. Otherwise, who gives a flying shite?

Why is this news, and why would anyone possibly care? Weird.

[Blue_Tires]

70. I'd have thought the parents would be a bit concerned

that sex in the bathroom during school hours is the new normal...

[arely staircase]

69. I think there is a moral/ethical aspect to this and neither this girl

or these boys are doing too well in that regard.

[3catwoman3]

71. Did iI miss it, or did anyone...

...comment on finding it disgusting that 25 boys would be willing to line up for this one after another? Yuck x25.

[womanofthehills]

122. Actually, the article suggests most were watching

I can' t believe how many people on this thread think this is ok. It's very sad.

[arely staircase]

72. We had a similar incident a few years ago. One member of the welding team (yes, that is a thing)

blew the rest of the welders on a school sponsored trip. They all got sent to alternative school for the rest of the year.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

164. Blowing up welders....

....using oxyacetylene gas is not the same as having sex in a restroom.

It would result in severe burns, missing body parts.

Oh, wait, you did not say blow up.

Never mind.

[Xithras]

73. Or, maybe, she just likes sex?

Some people like to hike to the tops of mountains. Other people prefer to climb cliff faces without ropes to scale them. Some people enjoy flying in airplanes. Others like to jump out of them. Some people enjoy leisurely bike rides in the afternoon. Others prefer to blow down near-vertical hillsides weaving their mountain bikes between trees at mind blowing speeds.

The list of things that humans enjoy doing is nearly endless, and nearly every one of those activities has a subset of participants who push the boundaries, who try to make it even more exciting, or who want to go to the extremes. This isn't a sign of mental illness, of reaching out, or a signal that they need intervention. It's a normal aspect of human mental variability.

Sex is just like any other form of entertainment, and there will always be people who get a thrill out of pushing the limits. If everything is consensual and nobody is harmed, there's nothing wrong with that. Barring any accusations to the contrary, it should't matter if she had sex with two people, 25, or 250.

[jonno99]

79. So next time there is a "train" leading to the bathroom - just get in line, right?

I mean, if she's willing to put out, why not get some of that. Look, she really, really likes it!

[Xithras]

81. I didn't say it was for me.

My kinks involve a bit more rope and leather...

My point, though, is that calling someone mentally ill because you don't like their sexual behavior is simply slut-shaming by another name. If someone wants to have sex with 20 people, and if all 21 participants understand the potential implications of their behavior and consent to it without coersion, then it's their choice to make. Not the schools, not her families, not societies, and certainly not anybody on Democratic Underground's.

Calling something a mental illness simply because you disagree with it or find it repulsive is simply a way to invalidate another persons right to make their own choices and creates justification for the imposition of moralizing rules or treatment to "correct" the problem. Engaging in societal taboos is NOT an illness, it's a choice we're all free to make.

[jonno99]

84. "...it's a choice we're all free to make" Sure, but we're also free to offer opinions about

good, better, best.

Your position is the whole "who are you to judge me" thing. For me it's the same thing I tell my youngest who is constantly challenging himself to some physical feat:

Kid: "dad, is this bad for me to do?"
me: "only if you land on your head"
kid: "do you think it's dumb to try this?"
me: "probably"

IOW - sure, do what you want, but do it with eyes wide open, and most of all be smart about it.

kid: "should I have sex with 25 boys in the bathroom?"
me: "only if you don't mind getting an STD that may leave you infertile - not to mention that you'll give people the impression that have no common sense or self respect"

Is my attitude "slut-shaming" or promoting "societal taboos"? I don't think so

Feel free to do what you want, but I reserve the right to voice my opinion that there is a better way...

[Xithras]

85. Offering an opinion? Of course. We all get one of those.

Attempting to convince others that a behavioral choice is immoral or disagreeable is one thing, and you certainly have the right to do it (even if it IS a bit bigoted). Attempting to convince others that a behavior choice is actually a medical condition (mental disorder) to justify some sort of intervention is another thing entirely. That kind of thinking leads us to things like gay conversion therapy or imprisoning people in mental hospitals for making "disagreeable" moral judgements. It's offensive.

We can all have our own opinions, but when an opinion is used to delegitimize the rights of OTHER people to hold differing opinions, that opinion needs to be challenged and slapped down.

[jonno99]

96. First of all we're discussing a minor - so an "intervention" in this case is totally reasonable -

required even.

If this were an adult, then an intervention becomes dependent on other factors.

Would you consider an adult female consenting to have unprotected sex with dozens of male (strangers?) to be of sound mind? I wouldn't, but neither would I recommend intervention - unless there were extenuating circumstances (obvious mental health deficiency).

I would however, hope that an actual friend might try convince her of a better life-style...

[Xithras]

182. Why do you get to decide what is "better"?

I've discussed my involvement in BDSM before, but I'm going to get very graphic here for a moment to illustrate a point.

Three weeks ago I had sex with a woman while her husband was tied to a folding chair across the room, watching with a ball gag in his mouth. When she and I were done, I walked across the room, kicked his chair over, and had sex with him while his wife smacked him with a cat o nine.

To be clear, this was THEIR kink, not mine. The couple are very good friends of mine, they have been married in a D/S relationship for nearly 20 years, and THIS IS WHAT TURNS THEM ON. They knew that I'm into bondage, asked me if I'd be willing to "help" them play out a scenario, and I agreed.

Now, would you say they are of "sound mind"? A lot of people wouldn't. A lot of people consider anything that isn't straight, heterosexual sex to be deviant. Even liberals often limit their sexual acceptance to the various forms of serial monogamy. Anything beyond that must indicate that something is wrong with you...right?

People have kinks. Kinks are weird. I don't understand the appeal of Dom/Sub any more than I understand Furries, but I recognize them all for what they are...people pushing their own boundaries to further their enjoyment of life and sex. It turns them on. It makes them happy. If everyone is consenting and happy, what's the problem?

Would I recommend that 16 year old girls participate in 20 person gangbangs? Of course not. At that age, there's often a lack of understanding about how to do it safely, and the very fact that she did it in a school demonstrates recklessness and immaturity. But at the same time, it's silly to claim that 16 year old's can't have sexual kinks or have sexual preferences that may fall well outside the mainstream. Can a 16 year old be gay? Or have a meaningless hookup? Or a poly relationship? At what point does a teenagers sexual orientation or preferences cross a line and indicate that their mind is unsound?

My objection is to the very existence of the line. If the only difference between the left and right is where we place the line, then the left and right aren't as different as they like to pretend. Genuine liberalism requires that you erase the line, and understand that you don't have to agree with something in order to accept the fact that others are going to engage in it.

Everyone, including a teenager, has a right to their kinks...so long as she is consenting and happy, and so long as nobody is harmed. My objection to this discussion is the notion that her sexual decisions constitute some sort of mental illness, which of horrifically offensive to those of us who aren't vanilla white-bread straights. It's the same argument that the right used to medicate or lock away LGBT and "sexual deviants" for decades.

[prayin4rain]

183. Thanks for making

me feel like I have a boring sex life. Hehe

But seriously, in my opinion, a 15 year old engaging in this particular behavior (multiple people, filmed, by the toilets at school) is a red flag for past abuse or a mental health issue. It is important to children's well being that adults identify and respond to red flags. There is a chance that everything is OK with this child, but I do not think the adults around her should ignore the behavior without an inquiry. Being gay is not a kink, so that's not an apt analogy.

The plain recklessness of it, alone, is a red flag that something requiring intervention is going on in the child's life, in my opinion.

Oh! And also in the boys' lives. I would certainly be concerned if my son engaged in that behavior. I would think it was reckless and callous of him, and I would be concerned. If I had the misfortune of finding out he was involved in that type of thing when he was an adult, with other consenting adults, I'd be less concerned.

[1939]

92. I do think the school has the right

to forbid it happening in one of their bathrooms (or anywhere else on school premises). The school has the choice to impose disciplinary measures if it happens on school premises.

[LisaL]

93. I would think not having sex in school bathroom is a given.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

106. Disciplinary measures?

Those little fucks deserve a beat down and then jail time.

[Xithras]

108. Of course. They should be disciplined for that.

Sex on campus is obviously not something a school can permit.

[LisaL]

90. Well, for one, she can't legally consent. She is a minor.

[Xithras]

180. We're talking about teenagers and teenagers

If this was a 15 year old girl and a bunch of 25 year old guys, I'd care about AoC. But a 15 year old is perfectly capable of consenting to sex with other 15 and 16 year olds.

[womanofthehills]

133. You are comparing hiking in the mountains

to an obviously messed up girl - sex in the school bathroom with lots of boys watching and videotaping.

[Ilsa]

144. It's more likely that she

does have a mental health issues, was sexually abused, etc. This is extremely risky behavior with regards to STDs, pregnancy, etc. I look at it as a cry for help, similar to a suicide attempt. If she was just trying to have fun, I think she would have done this off campus where their fun wouldn't be interrupted.

Yes, I think a guy trying to do 25 gals has mental health issues too.

[LisaL]

159. How can it be "consensual" if she is a minor under the age of consent?

[MrScorpio]

75. We're talking about children, right?

Hence the crux of the problem.

[GulfCoast66]

91. I can't believe it

There are people here actually defending a 15 year old CHILD getting fucked by 25 boys in a public high school??

If you think it is judgements to consider this very ubdesirable behavior you are not living in the real world.

[LisaL]

94. I guess for some here, anything goes.

Including a minor having sex in a school bathroom with multiple males.

[philosslayer]

109. Who are you to judge her?

Perhaps a school bathroom wasn't the best place to do it, but her body, her choice.

[GulfCoast66]

111. Oh Bullshit

Judge her personally? I do not enough about the situation and am loath to judge children for their actions. But I I am proud to judge that a 15-year-old child getting fucked by 25 boys in a public high school rest room is wrong. Or anywhere for that matter.

Immoral, depraved, exploited, call it what you want. It is behavior we should do everything we can to stop. I personally believe the boys involved should receive more discipline than the girl.

Being a progressive does not mean rejecting all traditional definitions of right and wrong. And I want no part of a culture that defends this kind of action.

However I am not surprised by your response. I only have a couple hundred post but in that time have seen you defend quite a few indefensible actions.

[LisaL]

123. At her age, she wouldn't be allowed to buy cigarettes or alcohol.

Or drive a car for that matter.

[philosslayer]

127. She would be allowed to terminate a pregnancy

If she wished to. Again, her body, her choice.

[LisaL]

128. At what age does it become "her choice?"

She is legally under the age of consent. If these males were older all of them could have been charged.

[philosslayer]

129. Say it with me now....

"Her body, her choice". Or does that only apply sometimes?

[LisaL]

130. So if 15 year old was having sex with 40 year old,

it's her body her choice too? Why send 40 year old to prison then?

[philosslayer]

132. That's statutory rape

I venture none of these boys were 40.

[LisaL]

135. You just argued that 15 year old knows what she is doing.

Her body, her choice.
The girls age doesn't change depending on the age of the man.
So she either knows what she is doing or she doesn't.
If 15 year old "chooses" to have sex with a 40 year old, using your logic, it's her choice and there is no reason to send that man to prison.

[philosslayer]

136. Within the limits of the law

To my knowledge there is no law against two 15 year olds having sex.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

154. But there are laws....

..against having sex with 15 year olds.

Or facilitating the sex.

Or filming the sex.

That all took place. Tell me none of the above were done by any 18 year olds.

[LisaL]

157. Why don't you tell me what the ages of the males were.

From what has been reported, it seems they are also minors.

[LanternWaste]

198. Deft movement of the goalposts from the initial absolutism of "her body her choice."

Deft movement of the goalposts from the initial absolutism of "her body her choice." No doubt, if apply your mind rationally, you'll realize that absolute consistency can indeed be a hobgoblin of little mind-- as you are accurately illustrating for us.

[Dorian Gray]

143. She's not legally old enough to consent

So the boys who took part in this should be punished and ashamed.

I bet, if more information ever comes out about this story, there will be hints of coercion on their part.

[Dr. Strange]

149. Wait a minute...

She's not legally old enough to consent
So the boys who took part in this should be punished and ashamed.

What if the boys weren't legally old enough to consent?

[Dorian Gray]

184. I guess any of the boys who were in there to watch

the "performances" should be ashamed and punished.

This is terrible. Defend it all you want. Children aren't mentally developed enough to handle this type of situation. None of them.

[Dr. Strange]

186. I'm not defending it.

I think everyone involved, male and female, should be punished by the school. I just don't understand the repeated issue of consent being brought up only in the context of the female student. If consent is an issue, then it's an issue for ALL of the minors involved, regardless of the shape of their genitals.

[bighart]

200. I don't know what do you think?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027858179

[Quantess]

98. STOP THE PRESSES!!! Get Bill O' Reilly over here, stat!

I want to hear what fresh new outrage Bill O'Reilly has to say about this outrageous scandal, on the taxpayers' dime!

Sigh... where is "Inside Edition" when they really are needed?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

102. This was an aggregious act perpetrated....

...by the males.

That was not sex. She did not make a choice. No one would consider a 15 year old girl in a restroom to be 'having sex.'

If anything, it was rape, statutory, forcible, or both.

Someone took advantage of a young woman who must be in the process of going through a very difficult mental health situation.

EDIT: I just read some of the posts on this thread. Those not taking this seriously or calling someone 'judgmental' for not supporting sex in restrooms as a choice - you should be ashamed of yourselves.

EDIT: re-read the OP. It was not group sex with 25 boys. It was a sex act, possibly with multiple (not stated how many) partners, witnessed by a large number of boys.

[dilby]

114. Why is it being taken advantage of if it was consensual?

Is it the idea that a girl is not supposed to have raging hormones?

[rjsquirrel]

115. Why is the word "whore" ok here?

It's not the title of the linked article.

It's a misogynistic smear.

[jpmonk91]

119. How is this topic ok?

It's bad that this happened in a high school bathroom. If it was all done with the kids consent than shame on them and the school and also social media. Rape is also not ok. But in truth we don't know all of the details. So this is no ones business.
This is why I don't have a Facebook and this is why I hate social media!

This shouldn't be a political topic on DU!

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

151. Good points.

This is why I don't have a Facebook and this is why I hate social media!

Agreed.

[flvegan]

120. Who said she had sex with 25 guys?

25 males entered the bathroom. "Multiple males" isn't 25, unless she or some witness says it was.

[LisaL]

124. Maybe you should check out msm headlines.

[womanofthehills]

139. Article I saw said most were watching

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

152. The OP re-worded the facts....

...as delivered by the media.

[a la izquierda]

202. Here you go, perhaps this will cure you of your self-righteousness.

http://ktla.com/2016/05/26/teen-girl-filmed-having-sex-in-florida-high-school-bathroom-was-human-trafficking-victim-family-says/

[womanofthehills]

162. The school camera picked up 25 guys entering the bathroom

and the media went with it - many articles say several guys - so it sounds like a bunch of guys watching other guys have sex with this girl while taking Snapchats and sending it to students around the school - very sad.

[Person 2713]

156. No Rec This OP and it's either or comments is sad and

[LaydeeBug]

167. This OP is wrong, for so many reasons, not the least of which is whore shaming. nt

[IronLionZion]

190. Nobody on DU seems to care about the video taken of the incident

or how it is child porn because they are underage and shared online on snapchat.


http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/24/video-sex-acts-renews-investigation-into-high-school-incident/84850152/

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/south-fort-myers-florida-high-school-girl-bathroom-sex-25-guys-boys-students-football-snapchat-video/

Or the general concept of sexual misconduct in bathrooms at a time when it's traditionally done by Republican US Senators, not by transgendered folks or anyone else.

[Orrex]

191. Not true--it's been mentioned repeatedly in this thread

It's been cited as a major part of the story, in fact.

[YoungDemCA]

197. Turns out that the girl had been trafficked

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/32065665/human-trafficking-at-core-of-s-fort-myers-hs-sex-scandal#.V0ciO_krLIU

Might want to rethink what you posted in your OP.

[nadine_mn]

204. She was a victim of sex trafficking

for 2 years, she was a victim of horrific abuse and has been removed from the school because people are assholes and still blame *her*