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Double R Superstar!
I'm sorry - what were you saying? I'm still stuck on the smile! 
Cornell West.
26 times with a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE.
I am fairly confident that is going to be coming up as a discussion point if it hasn't already been broached yet.
And then there is the fact her husband was impeached for lying under oath.
Of course, there are naked pictures of Trump's current wife available on the Internet.
These two are some of the Worst Candidates Ever.
We actually ended a friendship with a man my husband grew up with who was convicted of criminal sexual acts with his 13 year old step-daughter. And I can tell the difference between "people using the inter tubes" versus "26 times on a plane with a pedophile and his young victims while on our way to a private island to vacation".
Bill has done some pretty skanky things in his life, but I have no idea what he was thinking with this one.
ON EDIT: I am not saying Bill participated - I am saying "hanging with a man who was convicted of pedophilia whose victims say they met Bill Clinton."
at this point, the only "evidence" about it came from a guy with a book to sell who currently works for the Hillary team. I even bought the book: "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock -- the story of a gay man who helped play media games for the right, smeared Anita Hill and is now trying to do it with Bernie Sanders because he just loves the Hillary team now.
We now know how social media works and David Brock laid it out: one side does a "some sources say" story, and the rest jump on the bandwagon without verifying diddly until chairs are being thrown and zombie hordes are stampeding the podium (because people sitting down are yelling at them while the people on the platform play deaf). That isn't "vast right wing conspiracy" -- that's MARKETING. And when actual reporters did their jobs it turned out there was some fire with all that smoke. The allegations that Bill Clinton was a cheating dog of a husband were apparently common knowledge all over Arkansas, his long term mistress came forward with taped phone calls between them, and one hotel employee sued him for dropping his pants in front of her. But the rest of us were convinced it was just lies because Bill and Hillary went on national television and lied about it.
So we believed they were victims. Articles were written about how the mistress probably faked the tapes, and Hillary simpered at us about how "mentally ill women were always having imaginary relationships with her husband". None of us wanted to believe it until the people who were being gas lighted got a blue dress with Bill DNA and a college intern was caught being stupid on tape.
But the damage done is still in place TWENTY YEARS LATER. Instead of "loyal opposition" treated with respect, with a clear understanding of the obligations of a two party system where both sides work to keep the other side honest, we have epic level partisan divide and echo chamber mentality.
They didn't impeach Bush Junior and he LIED US INTO WAR. They haven't impeached President Obama, and he is BLACK and SMART (and we all know they HATE that). Bill Clinton embarrassed the hell out of this country not just by being a hound dog, but being arrogant about lying about it.
And one more thing: if Hillary is someone we can't believe a word the Opposition says about (because they hate her), that pretty much disqualifies her because it takes away the "check and balance" and means no one will believe when/if she is caught behaving inappropriately (which is what is going down with this email stuff).
That's my take. Your mileage may vary.
I was convinced he was being unjustly attacked. With the benefit of hindsight, I am more ashamed of the power differential and how Monica was treated.
And that is a disgusting quote from Trump, too.
Sounds like everyone knew what that bastard was doing - an "open secret" as it were.
ON EDIT: And kindly knock off the "supposed liberal" slurs just because I think Hillary is a bad candidate.
And you assume that when I say "and that's why I support Bernie" that the meta message is YOU ARE NOT because you support Hillary.
So, even though I am NOT saying you AREN'T a liberal, in your head it's a contest and one of us has to be lying.
Instead of us both being Democrats who support different candidates, which is what the usual assumption is when people are long standing members of a DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE BOARD.
Here is the thing -- the "you aren't a liberal" message is IN YOUR HEAD while the "Ida is a so called liberal" (obvious paraphrase) was TYPED BY YOU.
Taking a break now. I can't help you, so I'm done for a while.
"If she's a liberal, then she thinks I'm not."
You also can't stop yourself from being obnoxious.
Off to ignore! Because real liberals don't deal with abusive bullies (and by that I mean you). 
treated Monica VERY "unfairly."
!. Linda Tripp - her alleged "friend" who sold this young woman, she was 21, to the GOP and the press for a hefty sum.
2. Her mother who failed to burn the infamous blue dress.
Never forget Monica was a willing and active participant in the Oval Office.
If Hillary does become the nominee, and they require a loyalty oath, I will miss this place, too.
I think she stands a good chance of fracturing the party. Or maybe just chasing a percentage of us away.
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the Hillary fans.
Fact: She screwed up Libya.
Fact: She voted for the IWR and never held Bush accountable for lying.
Fact: She has taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the banking industry and will not disclose the contents of those speeches.
Fact: Her State Department did not comply with FOIA laws.
Fact: She has been under investigation by the FBI for almost a year and there is a good chance she will be facing an indictment.
Fact: She was adamantly publicly opposed to marriage equality.
Fact: She has stated a willingness to support constitutional restrictions on abortion.
Fact: She has double digit "untrustworthy" scores.
Fact: The Clinton Foundation took millions of dollars in contributions from foreign sources and hid the money through a California subsidiary after making an agreement not to do so while she was in office.
Fact: The Libyan Foreign Minister gave Bill Clinton $500k two days after the Benghazi attacks.
The list goes on...fortunately, I am allowed to discuss these facts right now. My opinion is that she should have been bounced out right about the time the FBI recovered the "deleted personal emails" because that involved breaking the law with destruction of public records.
I am going to trust the owners of this site to figure things out. I am also clapping like crazy for the indictment fairy, although the complete lack of shame so far exhibited means there is a good chance she will still try to stay in the race, further Nixoning the Democratic brand, because that's just who she is.
In the meantime, the owners of this site have choices to make. This is their playground, and I will respect their choices.
Sites evolve and rules change. I miss the old rules, where courtesy and "don't be an asshole" were common sense.
Sigh. She's a divisive figure. Some people like her. Some people like Trump. I can't stand either of them.
Then again, I hate Bush Junior, too. But I love President Obama.
was "no big deal". He lied under oath. He did it to cover up the fact he was a serial cheater. The only thing that saved him was that most of us could separate consensual adult sexual behavior from him doing his job as President. In hindsight, he should have stepped down and let President Gore take over. Plus, the Republicans were just as bad and worse at governing.
It's a permanent stain on his presidency. 
Bubba never had to drug anyone. He just came up to them and got it. And Cosby has him beat by 40+ more women so totally not the same. I get it. And Trump is worse because his ex-wife is the only one who's alleged that he raped her.
