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noneko

(33 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:42 PM May 2016

New Yorker cover hits the nail on the head for new graduates

“My first job after graduation was as a waiter in a Times Square steak house. It lasted eight years,” R. Kikuo Johnson said, of his cover for this week’s issue, “Commencement.” “Around this time of year, I’d see lots of caps and gowns coming into the restaurant with their proud parents. Those were definitely moments of reflection.” Johnson graduated from the Rhode Island School of Design, in 2003. He now supports himself as an artist and lives in Brooklyn. After an initial move to Williamsburg, he’s on his second combination studio/living space in Bed-Stuy: “My rent is good right now and I’m not worried—the landlord likes me,” he said with a smile. He also commutes to Providence, Rhode Island, to teach at his alma mater: “It’s not just me—I’d say most of the other teachers at RISD are also alumni. That’s what made me think of this image.”

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/cover-story-2016-05-30

It's interesting to see all the different covers over the last 100 years. Shows how a degree is worthless now.

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New Yorker cover hits the nail on the head for new graduates (Original Post) noneko May 2016 OP
Most all the good paying jobs have been traded away madokie May 2016 #1
This one is the saddest one to me for some reason. LiberalArkie May 2016 #2
I know, six bucks for a magazine, just scandalous. And, it has gotten worse since then. L. Coyote May 2016 #18
A faithful subscriber for over 40 years -- elfin May 2016 #3
The image... Triana May 2016 #4
Grounds keepers on a college campus? Lordquinton May 2016 #7
I have a friend with a BA in Forestry who does that Recursion May 2016 #14
Union there? Lordquinton May 2016 #16
Misses the mark, and classist to boot. Brickbat May 2016 #19
Exactily Lordquinton May 2016 #21
I think it makes a point but it is in bad taste as you rightfully point out GummyBearz May 2016 #24
Much of it depends on the major SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #5
Artists have never had great job prospects, unfortunately. People with college degrees pnwmom May 2016 #6
As an English major, I didn't expect that degree = job. LisaM May 2016 #8
What Lisa said . . FairWinds May 2016 #9
Actually, this artist has done pretty well for himself with his degree from RISD. enough May 2016 #10
I thought the same thing TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #26
This is why we Millennials are being demonized as "lazy" and "entitled". Odin2005 May 2016 #11
New grads might have to take entry-level jobs that aren't in their specialty? Brickbat May 2016 #12
Unless said entry-lvl jobs require 2-5 yrs of prior exp of course. noneko May 2016 #15
There are jobs out there aimed at college grads with little to no experience. Brickbat May 2016 #22
When is the last time you searched for an entry level job? Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #17
A quick google found plenty. Brickbat May 2016 #20
Trust me, many apply to these noneko May 2016 #23
In 1992 they ran a cartoon with a graduate holding a sign "Will Toil For Sustenance" Recursion May 2016 #13
I got a job as a part-time instructor upon finishing my M.Ed. I was lucky. Eleanors38 May 2016 #25

elfin

(6,262 posts)
3. A faithful subscriber for over 40 years --
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Just love it. When prices got out of sight, I planned for an hour to get thru the phone labyrinth to speak to a "real" person and then explain the treasure of being a long-term subscriber to obtain at least $20 off the best deal publicized.

My second fave is Vanity Fair, but that is really inexpensive, due to heavy ad buys.

Love the Borowtz Report as well on the FaceBook newsfeed.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
7. Grounds keepers on a college campus?
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

Not a bad job really.

I understand what they are trying to say, but I think this misses the mark.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. I have a friend with a BA in Forestry who does that
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:37 AM
May 2016

Absolutely loves his job, decent pay (for Mississippi, at least), and great benefits.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. Union there?
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

I'm in a landscaping program and many people go from there to the groundskeepers on campus, it's a great place to get experience and still be somewhat 'safe' in your job before heading out for your own business.

This cartoon failed to make it's point. (And anyone who thinks it did needs to look at their perspective, we see grounds keeping as a "bad" profession right now because guess who mostly fills that job?)

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
21. Exactily
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

Borderline racist, as a majority of landscaping jobs are filled by Hispanic, often immigrants.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
24. I think it makes a point but it is in bad taste as you rightfully point out
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

-former landscaper of 4 years

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
5. Much of it depends on the major
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:10 AM
May 2016

My oldest daughter just graduated from college a couple of weeks ago, and she had a job lined up before she started her senior year last fall.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
6. Artists have never had great job prospects, unfortunately. People with college degrees
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

still have better options than those with only high school.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
8. As an English major, I didn't expect that degree = job.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:34 AM
May 2016

I do value my degree, though. It's been an asset, even though the benefits aren't really financial. I sometimes think people are pursuing college for the wrong reasons. Obviously this isn't the same if you are going to medical or law school, but the professions are in a different bucket.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
9. What Lisa said . .
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

Education and learning are never "worthless." Quite the contrary.

And it is really sad that so many DUer's apparently agree with that sentiment.

enough

(13,255 posts)
10. Actually, this artist has done pretty well for himself with his degree from RISD.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

He's able to "support himself as an artist," which not many artists can do, has a job teaching at his old school, and has a cover on the New Yorker, which is a pretty good gig for any graphic artist. He should feel good, and it sounds like he does.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,148 posts)
26. I thought the same thing
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

Even the best young artists go through a period of having day jobs (or night jobs) to pay the rent.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
11. This is why we Millennials are being demonized as "lazy" and "entitled".
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

We are fed up and the PTB are scared because we refuse to accept our lot.

noneko

(33 posts)
15. Unless said entry-lvl jobs require 2-5 yrs of prior exp of course.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

Then they can't get a job at all in any specialty.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
17. When is the last time you searched for an entry level job?
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

Good luck finding one that doesn't require 3-5 years of professional experience.

noneko

(33 posts)
23. Trust me, many apply to these
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

and you're less than 1% likely to get it.

Especially if you have a Latino or African American name because of unconscious bias.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. In 1992 they ran a cartoon with a graduate holding a sign "Will Toil For Sustenance"
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

This isn't a new worry

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
25. I got a job as a part-time instructor upon finishing my M.Ed. I was lucky.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

That lasted for 3 years with no end in sight. Eventually, I self-apprenticed as an auto mechanic, a move which brought me more income before or since. I don't regret spending 6 years at two major universities; income isn't everything. But if one wants to settle into a career track requiring a degree(s), odds are aganst you, now. With costs for school so high, I cannot recommend carte blanche getting a four-year degree if incme and a secure career are your goals. In those terms, my most "productive" education was a typing course and an array of high school industrial arts courses.

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