Trump Tells Ryan He SUPPORTS Cutting Social Security - But Will Lie About It To Get Elected

[kpete]

Last edited Sat May 28, 2016, 06:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Tells Voters On The Campaign Trail: 'I’m Going To Save Social Security'…
Tells Paul Ryan In Private That
He Supports Cutting It 'From A Moral Standpoint'...


Donald Trump supposedly told House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) he supports cutting Social Security but will not admit it publicly because it would hurt his election chances, according to a report in Bloomberg BusinessWeek.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee reportedly made the comments during a May 12 meeting with Ryan aimed at mending ties between the two top Republican leaders, Bloomberg reported, citing an unnamed source who was in the room. (Ryan has yet to endorse Trump.)

“From a moral standpoint, I believe in it,” Trump said of cutting Social Security. “But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’ and the Democrat is saying, ‘We’re going to keep it and give you more.’?”

Trump’s professed opposition to cutting Social Security and Medicare has been both a hallmark of his campaign and one of his greatest departures from traditional conservative ideology. And Ryan, who repeatedly criticized Trump before the mogul effectively secured the GOP nomination, has made proposing dramatic reductions in the popular social insurance programs a defining feature of his congressional career.

He openly says he will lie to the people about it because he knows that the people are against it.
Alex Lawson, Social Security Works

MORE:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-supports-cutting-social-security-report-says_us_5749db63e4b0dacf7ad515e4
http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-reince-priebus/

[raging moderate]

1. Please note, Trump said he opposes Social Security from a moral standpoint.

These people believe they are the Chosen Elite, with a divine mandate to browbeat the rest of us into the fearful anguished submission which they feel it is their responsibility to enforce.

[Bucky]

25. It's a dumb system anyway

asking the serfs to vote for who their manor lord is. What is this... Venice? Athens?

[lindysalsagal]

30. To quote the great Lady Grantham, "You give these little people some power, and it goes to

their heads like strong drink."

Our corporate overlords surely have our best interests at heart, don't they??

[Bucky]

31. What they need's a good strong whacking

Ride thru their vassalage cottages on the way to the foxes and give these upstarts a sound thrashing by their betters, and all will be right with the world. Good show!

[Doctor_J]

2. At least Mrs Clinton has said she's OK with the cuts. I'll give her that. And I don't believe a

word that trump says anyway

[skylucy]

9. Hillary has NOT ever said she supports cutting social security.

Cutting social security is what Republicans want to do. I repeat....HILLARY HAS NOT SAID SHE SUPPORTS CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY.

[Doctor_J]

10. She has said that she'll consider raising the eligibility age to 70

Thats a cut

[skylucy]

14. Her own policy page and other neutral sites say she OPPOSES Republican efforts to raise the

retirement age for social security to age 68 or 70. Some people who don't want her to get the nomination write crap on the internet saying they don't believe her, but that is their problem. She is NOT for raising the age for SS. No matter how often Bernie Sanders supporters write little OPs to spread an untruth...The facts are the facts.

[Robbins]

19. yep

she also said clearly she is against any new taxes in debates when running to right of bernie.there goes lifting the cap

[progree]

22. Did she really? Clearly?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

Preserve Social Security for decades to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more. Social Security must continue to guarantee dignity in retirement for future generations. Hillary understands that there is no way to accomplish that goal without asking the highest-income Americans to pay more, including options to tax some of their income above the current Social Security cap, and taxing some of their income not currently taken into account by the Social Security system.

[sulphurdunn]

11. Not exactly

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2016/02/05/huff-post-hillary-clinton-refuses-rule-out-any-and-all-benefit-cuts-social

[gordyfl]

13. I certainly trust Bernie on protecting Social Security

more than I do Trump and Hillary.

[progree]

23. And she lies about it on her website too, I guess

Some excerpts:

“I won't cut Social Security. ... I'll defend it, and I'll expand it.” -- HILLARY CLINTON, FEBRUARY 5, 2016

... As president, she would:
...

* Oppose reducing annual cost-of-living adjustments.

* Oppose Republican efforts to raise the retirement age—an unfair idea that will particularly hurt the seniors who have worked the hardest throughout their lives.

* Oppose closing the long-term shortfall on the backs of the middle class, whether through benefit cuts or tax increases.

... Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly by the current system—including women who are widows and those who took significant time out of the paid workforce to take care of their children, aging parents, or ailing family members.

... Preserve Social Security for decades to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more. Social Security must continue to guarantee dignity in retirement for future generations. Hillary understands that there is no way to accomplish that goal without asking the highest-income Americans to pay more, including options to tax some of their income above the current Social Security cap, and taxing some of their income not currently taken into account by the Social Security system.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

[sulphurdunn]

24. Who knows?

Clinton and Trump can be for and against a lot of things at the same time.

[UCmeNdc]

3. Trump is a Liar!

Donald Trump will say or do anything to get elected.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Who is he lying to about SS, Ryan or his supporters?

Both?

[UCmeNdc]

5. Donald Trump is a liar so you never know what is really true.

No way to tell with liars.

[0rganism]

18. i'm guessing both

he'll lie to his supporters publicly, as he says, to get elected
he'll lie to Ryan to get the unified support of the Republican party
he'll lie to anyone anytime to get what he wants

who's to say what the truth is, what he'd actually try to do if he was president? i'd rather not find out, thanks.

[Bucky]

27. This answer

speaks for me.

Trump doesn't give a damn about anybody but Trump. Ryan has dumb ideas, but he holds to them and talks about them.
Trump isn't running for office to do something. He's running to be something, to aggrandize himself, to move product, the stop his daddy's voice in his head saying he's not good enough. He's a classic traumatized child of an alcoholic who transformed his existential self-doubts into a personality disorder--narcissism--in order to keep from having a full psychotic break. He's not capable of loyalty beyond his own narrow circle of ingratiating sycophants. Not loyal to ideas or to people he doesn't know personally.

Also, he's an entitled snotrag, but that's not a recognizeable mental disorder. Narcissism is and Trump's textbook.

[Skittles]

6. “From a moral standpoint, I believe in it"

twisted repukes

[UCmeNdc]

7. Trum openly says he will lie to the people about it because he knows that the people are against it.

Liar! Con Artist!

[left-of-center2012]

8. Trump has morals?

[sulphurdunn]

12. Did Trump get advised on what morality is?

Cutting SS benefits is an odd sort of morality. I doubt he knows or much cares about the difference.

[C Moon]

15. More like, from a moron standpoint.

[red dog 1]

16. K&R...Thanks for posting

Has there ever been such a lying, despicable piece of human excrement who was the presidential nominee of a major political party?

He makes Mitt Romney seem like a nice guy!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. No, he does not "openly say". He said it in private. But it was leaked. . . . nt

[Bucky]

29. "freely confided" would be more accurate

I wonder who the leak was. I'm sure we'll hear a passel of denials from both camps, possibly some delivered by whoever the room's "Shallow Throat" is

[kairos12]

20. Nothing tRump says sticks to him. He's like the anti-superman and nobody has found his kryptonite

yet. Any normal candidate would be done in by these remarks on Social Security. We will see.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

21. K&R

[saltpoint]

26. In the general election, we run a

split-screen ad. On one side is Trump asserting that he's worth ten billion bucks.

On the other side is Trump talking about lying about Social Security to get elected with plans to gut it once he's in office.

Let's run up the score on this one.

[beachbum bob]

28. important issue for senior citizens and those approaching retirement

and democrats need this as one of the major points against trump and conservatives in general. Their quest to kill SS, medicare...medicaid and throw america back to the 1900s

[wiggs]

32. Focus on GOP policy, not Trump tweets or leaks....

Doesn't matter what Trump says yesterday or tweets the day before that...
...we'll get whiplash reacting to his BS and bait. Who knows what he'll say or do in the future. Lump him together with what all republican leaders and republican platform advocates and beat that argument to death every day: GOP and the 1% want to cut safety nets, get their grubby hands on the SS trust fund, destroy faith in government programs, therefore cut taxes for the wealthy, therefore reduce wages, therefore free up money for political contribuions, shuttle safety net money to private corporations and their lobbyists, etc.

Clinton should be talking about the big GOP picture....everyone will remember trickle down, privatized SS, GOP fed deficits, etc. Who cares what Trump tweets or says...it's just a distraction and camoflage for long term GOP policies that they really don't want the public to focus on. So focus on them. Don't react to every Trump midnight thought, but use them as excuse to drill down on horrendous history of GOP 'policy'.

[DonRedwood]

33. Did he say Soylent Green would make a better choice for our seniors?

Because Trump Soylent Green is the best Soylent Green.