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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuotes from Karl Marx that will chill you to the bone...
The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.
― Karl Marx
The less you eat, drink and read books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save-the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor dust will devour-your capital. The less you are, the more you have; the less you express your own life, the greater is your alienated life-the greater is the store of your estranged being.
― Karl Marx
It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.
― Karl Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy
Society does not consist of individuals, but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand.
― Karl Marx, Grundrisse: Foundations of the Critique of Political Economy
In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so: that is just what we intend.
― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.
― Karl Marx
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx
scscholar
(2,902 posts)It's particularly timely given how those Republicans are destroying education. Destroying education.
clarice
(5,504 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)The GOP has been whittling away at public education in this country for decades. I think the results are showing themselves in how critical thinking has been damaged. They want the public dumb so they can control us.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Surround yourself with people who make you happy. People who make you laugh, who help you when youre in need. People who genuinely care. They are the ones worth keeping in your life. Everyone else is just passing through.
The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
clarice
(5,504 posts)It seems incongruous to his generally violent dictums.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)ironies involved, the composer Karl Marx wrote music for Nazi rallies and Hitler Youth. And that's his quote about people who make you laugh and such.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Looks like that trend is continuing, abolishing private property for 90% and more of the population.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Has he been resurrected?
clarice
(5,504 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)I am horrified by war and fracking, but some of us practically worship those who will inflict it. I am more worried about them.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Oops.
clarice
(5,504 posts)are you brave enough to tell us what your TRUE agenda is?
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Now what about you?
Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #21)
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Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Links please or you made it up.
clarice
(5,504 posts)you still haven't answered my question....don't be shy..... I promise that if you tell... i won't taunt you.
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Get a nice pension from my job. Pension oh yeah, pretty sure that's a socialist idea. Like the 8 hr. workday. And paid vacation. I like plenty about America. Is your point that Democrats hate America? Don't be shy.
So now YOU can show me where I have attacked America, or you made it up.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)to have our say - good or bad
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Ironic sig line
clarice
(5,504 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Agenda for the day.....
Let dog in, let dog out.
Let dog in, let dog out.
Let dog in, let dog out.
Works for me.
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I suppose it can be rather frustrating when we focus on the negative of a thing, and are met with a valid corollary that both broadens our premise and forces us to think. Very inconvenient indeed.
clarice
(5,504 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Implication is indeed, the best tool available for the simplistic.
(space provided free of charge below for additional irrelevance if required)
clarice
(5,504 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)At some point you must have thought it relevant enough to add it to your profile.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)and you are me?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)You are cherry-picking arguably the worst of his quotations, offering them here 100% without context or cite. No sale.
You can do this with ANYONE, as you must well know.
Just disgraceful.
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)idea of the thread. Too often our heroes have feet of clay, but it is always glossed over for
maximum consumption. I'm sorry if you were offended, sometimes when people see the underbelly of
an issue, it is not an easy thing to take.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Most people do that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)than I have probably uttered verbally in a year.
There seems to be an influx of people on very tall horses attempting to trample people on the ground.
It's getting pretty knee-deep in horseshit around here because of it.
Most of those quotes chill people to the bone because they haven't read them correctly or in context.
Marx's descriptions of capitalism were spot on, no one has ever managed to do it better. However, I prefer Keynes's prescription for what to do about it over Marx's, which I find unrealistically Utopian.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Society is definitely not made of individuals, look at the sovereign citizen movement to realize why. Individuals agree to pool their resources and act together and that is what makes a society rather than an uncoordinated mob of individuals, all acting against each other in self absorption.
The others also bear closer reading.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)who unfortunately have been overrunning du during the primary campaign
panader0
(25,816 posts)Imagine no possessions....
clarice
(5,504 posts)up a lit cigarette lighter, not knowing what the song is actually about. Then when you tell them, there like "EWWWWW"
pangaia
(24,324 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)on the quotes in the OP?
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Imagine what he'd say about fossil fuels.
clarice
(5,504 posts)chilling when you think about it.
rug
(82,333 posts)Starting with the theft of their labor.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)on the quotes cited in the OP?
rug
(82,333 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I read a lot of your posts, but almost never say anything...
I always learn something.. well.. most of the time.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I was going to C&B to see the "What's for dinner" thread to come up with ideas, and then I run into horse shit like this.
clarice
(5,504 posts)not the other way around where they are punished for their abilities.
rug
(82,333 posts)It starts with to each according to their need, and ends with from each according to their ability.
The goal is to have a society where needs are met, not a society where wealth is concentrated "according to their ability".
Do you prefer a society where one's "ability" is remunerated, regardless of whether others' needs are met?
clarice
(5,504 posts)In his system, you have to prove your NEED more than you abilities... It turns people into
what amounts to beggars. Imagine having to stand in front of some bureaucrat and explain
what your needs are.
rug
(82,333 posts)I'll be damned, there it is: http://www.jbs.org/
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...so close to home. Must be the clever disguise....
.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)That's ok, sometimes I misunderstand meanings also..
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...to pinboyforty.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I must be getting old-----er
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)This one: The less you eat, drink and read books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save-the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor dust will devour-your capital. The less you are, the more you have; the less you express your own life, the greater is your alienated life-the greater is the store of your estranged being.
Marx is there complaining that under capitalism, people have been reduced to less than commodities - that they are told they don't deserve to eat, drink (beyond the minimum needed to stay alive) and read books, etc. Marx's point is that everyone deserves to be able to go to the theatre, the dance hall, etc.; they shouldn't be kept at the minimum level of survival, nor told that the 'moral' thing to do if they get any money beyond that is to save it.
Here's the context, if it isn't clear: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/needs.htm . It's the section that starts:
(1) By reducing the workers need to the barest and most miserable level of physical subsistence, and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement; thus he says: Man has no other need either of activity or of enjoyment. For he declares that this life, too, is human life and existence.
(2) By counting the most meagre form of life (existence) as the standard, indeed, as the general standard general because it is applicable to the mass of men. He turns the worker into an insensible being lacking all needs, just as he changes his activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. To him, therefore, every luxury of the worker seems to be reprehensible, and everything that goes beyond the most abstract need be it in the realm of passive enjoyment, or a manifestation of activity seems to him a luxury. ...
The education quote is saying private schools would be abolished under communism, and public ones (and, I would infer, universities) free to everyone:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
I'm not sure what he meant by "education and production together", I must confess.
As for the last quote about 'peace', he probably didn't say it: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100722185228AAx4CAP If someone can find something like it that can be traced to a specific work, speech or time, the context would be useful.
clarice
(5,504 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)But I'm hopeful.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)You have the brotherhood, and love, and peace,
And then you have the smiting.
With both, you must be careful to take what you see as good, and be careful not to try to force it down the throats of those whose gag reflex doesn't allow it.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Marxism is designed to suppress the human instinct to achieve, all the while being governed by a
chosen elite.
clarice
(5,504 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)That's when I always go out for a beer... and a piss... piss first, of course...
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And fooled no one.
REP
(21,691 posts)Old Usenet tactic. Still doesn't work.
Vogon_Glory
(9,120 posts)Before you sing your Randian swan song here, please take note that not all Democrats are socialists. Moreover, you might wish to take note that most of DU's socialists probably aren't Marxists. Furthermore, of those that are, most have become disenchanted with the state socialism practiced in the late not-particularly-lamented USSR.
Of us not-particularly-socialist DU'ers, many of us have become convinced that governments run for the benefit of large corporations and a selfish, short-sighted oligarchy are neither fair nor just nor have the best interests of the citizenry at heart. And while many of us acknowledge that private corporations tend to be more efficiently-managed than their government-owned counterparts, we note that private corporations can be ineptly or criminally managed at the expense of workers, customers, creditors, and shareholders, as many of the "little people" caught up in the collapse of Enron found out.
I do hope little Randians pay attention to the self-obvious. It may help them on the road to wisdom.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)But that is because I'm a Marxist.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)to Paul Lafargue
Marx was a complicated and talented man, sometimes journalist, sometimes political organizer, sometimes propagandist, sometimes outraged Old Testment prophet, sometimes theorist of political economy
His observations of the politics of his time exhibit an interesting mix of approaches, in which he examines not only cultural assumptions (which are often uncritically passed down as conclusions about much earlier events, no longer relevant to current conditions) but also the economic base of a society and the resulting interest groups. He also notes the possibility that people's abstract thinking can cloud their understanding
It is rather curious that such an original and non-ideological thinker has been so often portrayed as an ideologue
Some of your quotes certainly aren't from Marx but are likely rephrasings of Lenin. Lenin, of course, had become an indefatigible opponent of Tsarism, after the Russian regime hanged his older brother in the late 1880s. Marx thought there was very little chance of a quick transition to communism in Russia, since the country was not very modern and had only a tiny industrial proletariate. But in 1917 the German military transported Lenin from Switzerland to Russia, in the hopes that he could cripple the Russian war effort -- which he did, by overthrowing the Provisional government
On the Road
(20,783 posts)the man knew how to play Monopoly:
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http://existentialcomics.com/comic/19
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/49
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)tribal peoples. It's capitalism and fascism that really threaten our freedom today.