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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI found this big screw up in the 2nd Article in the US Constitution
Fortunately for all of us, yall got me around to fix this sort of thing.
[font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4"][font size="5"] Article. II. [/font]
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. [font size="6"]She[/font] shall hold [font size="6"]her[/font] Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
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No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for [font size="6"]her[/font] Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which [font size="6"]she[/font] shall have been elected, and [font size="6"]she[/font] shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before [font size="6"]she[/font] enter on the Execution of his Office, [font size="6"]she[/font] shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; [font size="6"]she[/font] may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and [font size="6"]she[/font] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
[font size="6"]She[/font] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and [font size="6"]she[/font] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section. 3.
[font size="6"]She[/font] shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as [font size="6"]she[/font] shall judge necessary and expedient; [font size="6"]she[/font] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, [font size="6"]she[/font] may adjourn them to such Time as [font size="6"]she[/font] shall think proper; [font size="6"]she[/font] shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; [font size="6"]she[/font] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. [/font]
ahhh, that flows much smoother now
are brilliant!!!!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)was very much intended. So the screw up in Article II was not in choice of pronoun, but in effed up thinking about women (especially married women).
At some point, someone decided that masculine pronouns can be used for either only men or for men and women, but that is just another form of bias. Changing masculine pronouns to feminine is the mirror image of using "he" for everything and therefore, IMO, sucks almost as much as using "he" for everything. "It" is gender neutral, but is de-humanized and therefore does not serve the purpose. Using he or she, him or her, etc. sometimes makes for clumsy sentences, but clumsy sentences are preferable, in my mind, to using all masculine or all feminine pronouns.
Bottom line: English needs at least two more pronouns, one of which would signify both genders and the other of which would be a plural "you," (or yiz, as one of my Aunties would have it). "You" to signify either singular or plural does not reflect bias, but can cause confusion, so while we are thinking up new pronouns, we may as well deal with this. Maybe, while we are at it, we can come up with one more version of "you" to indicate a generic you, to indicate comments are not aimed at any specific person or group of persons.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"They."
And spare me the pedantics of "they" being a plural. Rule #1 of English is that English makes sense right up until it doesn't make sense, and rule #2 is that it's only a short walk between those two points. If we can have "They're there by their thing" as a valid sentence, we can use "they" as a singular pronoun no problem.
merrily
(45,251 posts)As my post indicated, I would like to see us clear up the confusion of singular "you" versus plural "you" and maybe even generic "you" versus specific "you." So, obviously, I am not going to be a fan of introducing potential for more confusion.
BTW, a desire to avoid avoidable confusion is not pedantry.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)As best I recall, this was the subject of my very first exchange with MannyGoldstein. I had posted a reply to his OP that began something like, "Don't let anyone confuse you with the facts." He accused me of insulting him personally, even though the body of my post contained a bunch of facts and links that supported his OP. We then had a discussion about generic you versus specific you, plural vs. singular. IIRC, he apologized and our subsequent exchanges were "fight-free." I wish I could find that thread because it's a good, albeit small scale, example of unnecessary conflict arising from lack of useful pronouns.
Danascot
(4,695 posts)is 'all y'all'. Using y'all for both singular and plural is acceptable but imprecise.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)Anyway I've live in Texas for nearly 50 years and have yet to hear y'all used as a singular pronoun. The only time it gets used that way is when yankee scriptwriters and cartoonists write dialog for southern characters without quite grasping the basics of our accent (viz, Li'l Abner).
merrily
(45,251 posts)his thread. As reply 8 explained, the misunderstanding was due solely to his assuming "you" referred to him personally, when I was using it generically. Hence his apology. He also explained that he was so used to being attacked, he tended to assume that was happening, even when it wasn't. If he had read my post past the subject line, he would have seen it did nothing but support his OP.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)As in, "when are yas going?"
My Dad (RIP) was a teacher and hated hearing bad grammar. If I use "yas" in a sentence I can still hear him commenting how uneducated that sounds.