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These Are The Black People Police Have Shot And Killed This Year
Police have shot and killed 125 black people in 2016.
By Eugene Daniels | July 9, 2016
So far in 2016, police have shot and killed 125 black people. To put that in perspective: that's 2.92 deaths per 1 million black people in the U.S.
Here are their names:
http://www.newsy.com/videos/these-are-the-black-people-police-have-shot-and-killed-this-year/
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Journeyman
(15,036 posts)a thread you begin yourself.
(There's a unique idea! Do something yourself!)
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's called a discussion board. He's discussing. You're not the thread cop.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Try to be civil.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I noticed you made a similar comment down-thread.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)is not productive to discussion.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)about civility, KMOD.
And I didn't call anyone a thread cop.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Apparently, you two don't.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I think police need to shoot fewer human beings, regardless of skin color.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)but do you seriously deny that a black man will approached quite differently than a white man in equal circumstances by some police officers?
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)simply because AAs have had it worse?
What's the point in dividing ourselves?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)People should speak out on that too. But you shouldn't dismiss the Black Lives Matter movement in doing so. There is no reason to see it as divisive.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)police brutality against innocent people?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Saying Black Lives Matter is not divisive.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Continuing to separate people into groups of most victimized isn't going to help.
No one said saying black lives matter is divisive. Continuing to separate the deaths of innocent whites killed from innocent blacks killed is divisive.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Hmm.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)has ceased to amaze me. His gun range must not be ventilated.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)IL Lib
(190 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)Census gets most blacks saying they're "black," but that other 2.9% are "multiracial" and include "black."
President Obama is not black for the census; the news reports said he checked multiracial. I personally round to 13$, since many multiracial black+others aren't necessarily self-identifying or other-identified as black.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)killed due to subconscious prejudice.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)black men have been killed by police without justification.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Some....by far most....are completely justifiable....some are completely unacceptable abuse of authority which are always ultimately justified except for the most outrageously unjustifiable....this is a police culture issue.. shooting dogs and people with complete impunity...
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)Please explain this.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)What do you not understand?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)what you are trying to say. You are all over the board on this.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Most cops are good people doing a tough job. Most police shootings (includung those on the OP list) are completely justifiable.
The relative small amount of bad cops who abuse power and murder people are always covered and protected. The whole "officer safety" excuse for bad behavior must go immediately. There is a police culture problem in the US.
Many white people have also been killed by the police without justification.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You really seem to be blind to racial injustice.
You are always quick to jump on the "what about the white people, meme."
You are who we need to get through to, in order for change to happen.
Why are you so reluctant to admit that racism exists?
Why do you keep pretending that the playing field is even?
Why are you upset when people bring up racial injustice?
Why do you appear to be threatened by this?
I ask in all sincerity. You are the epitome of who needs to be reached out to, in order for us to make any progress.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)No one is blind to the fact that their is a racial component and a poor component, there's also a "hippy" component" a progressive component (OWS) etc. whatever it is that makes a psycopathic cop decide its okay to beat you sensless because they are superior.
The problem is huge. Yes AAs have suffered more than any other group but should we all just fight our own battles ? Exactly how will that help any of us?
Look who is dragging away DeRay McKesson. Do they all look white to you?
Is the one guy just an "uncle Tom" or do we have a police brutality problem on our hands?
Igel
(35,317 posts)But that's an upper bound. Lots of factors other than just racism--things like percent in an age cohort, for example--could reduce that number. Also things like how violent a neighborhood is perceived to be, based either on the non-random incidents reported on the news, actual police stats, or just hearsay. (Who am I to question perceptions? That's what I've often been told.)
That's so far this year.
Note that one of the weirdnesses with perceptions is that stats may be what they are, but they're misinterpreted. Many are scared of being killed by a terrorist for being a Xian or killed by a black guy. Both are small risks, but higher than chance (so that means "disproportionate" . Or you see what's presented on the news, and get a skewed idea about what's actually happening. That's a large bit of the critique of the news and media's being racist, the chance of a black thug being shown on tv is much higher than that of a white thug doing the same crime would be. There are hundreds of incidents, and the media just pick the ones that involve a certain kind of event portraying some group in a certain light because that's what people want to see, that's what they believe and this shapes the incoming group of views in the same way.
Of course, that's the 6 o'clock news, the New York Times, and DU. Video posted here of a white guy being shot by police for non-compliance had no comments after 13 hours.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)63 percent vs 17 percent. You do the math.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)"A propaganda technique where criticisms are deflected by raising corresponding criticisms of the opposite side."
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/whataboutism#English
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)and they're not part of it. People even get mad when you bring them up, as we see in this thread. It's pretty sick.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... make up 13% of the population.
But go ahead and act like there hasn't been outrage all week at this stupid shit, we must all be whining hunh?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)is your denial of the disparity.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why not make it a separate topic and discuss this one first?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... a list of whites killed by cops.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why not comment on the topic?
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)and post it where people of your depth can see it, and give it honest consideration.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and you find it lower per thousand.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Germonta Wallace died in an apartment building off Remount Road Sunday night during a firefight with eight Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officers who had come to apprehend him. Police said he was one of three men accused in last weeks killing.
Police said Wallace shot at the group of officers, all members of the departments Violent Criminal Apprehension Team. Officer Jessica Zinoble was shot in the ankle and is recovering from a leg injury that is not life-threatening.
Marquez Breon Springs-Owens, Wallaces childhood friend, was present at the shooting. After Wallace was killed, Springs-Owens barricaded himself inside a home and police called in the SWAT team and negotiators.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article52912755.html#storylink=cpy
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)that a lot of not very nice people doing very bad things were killed by cops.
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
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melman
(7,681 posts)For those that don't remember Cedric Ford: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cedric-larry-ford-kills-3-injures-14-kansas-shooting-spree-n526316
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... cause we aint got shit to do this week?!
3 times more likely to be shot by cops and the list of fuckin monster on the white list isn't any shorter... just a good portion of the monsters that are white are alive and go to Burger Kind or just go home after threatening cops with guns like they did at the Bundy Ranch
Come on people, lets not take white supremacist sources like FAUX news seriously.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)The very apparent and simple point is that your list is largely people we should all be thankful some cop had the heroism to dispatch for society...
You are truly awful.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Wait, nobody did that but you.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You mad too at some simple claim?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)The simple claim is what is being discussed. You're the one freaking out over it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You and your friend, but if you say so.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... times more likely to be shot regardless of who's on the list are you're hyper-focusing on the what I've heard on FAUX news that there's whites that are shot by police too and there's MONSTERS who BOTH list.
The point of the list at all is the 3x NOT... NOT who is on the list black white or other.
I've intimated this 3 times already and your fallback is who's on the list as if that's the point of it ... its NOT
hill2016
(1,772 posts)Micah Xavier Johnson. Maybe because he wasn't shot by police but blown up without due process?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Mixed in isn't helpful. We must focus on the unjust and exclude the just killings from the conversation if we are to be taken seriously.imho...
Rex
(65,616 posts)It doesn't say anything about them, just the number. So what? You really have a problem with this?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)This list is being used to attempt to make a point about injust police shootings. Including those who deserve exactly what they received isn't helpful. Concentrating on the unjust may be impactful...
Rex
(65,616 posts)If that bothers you then so be it, not my problem.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The concentration should be on bad police killings of all people. A lot of police shootings are actually correct and warranted.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... the list itself.
still_one
(92,217 posts)Alton Sterling and Philander Castile? By doing this, what is effectively being done is setting up a false equivalency between the killings of Alton Sterling and Philander Castile's, and the deaths of some hypothetical white person who happened to be killed by a police officer.
However there is a difference. The killings of Alton Sterling and Philander Castile are not hypothetical, they happened last week, they are fresh in the news, there are videos and witnesses, and there is a strong suspicion that these murders occurred because of the color of their skin. This is not just some random opinion. The Governor of Minnesota believes Philander Castile would be alive today if he was white.
This story isn't about the killing of anyone by police, it is about the killing of two specific people by police because of the color of their skin.
It is more than just about the killing of some person by a police officer, this is about racism
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/kkk-has-infiltrated-us-police-departments-decades
Lancero
(3,003 posts)When you group in the likes of Germonta Wallace (Suspect of murdering a person, and burning the corpse), Cedric Ford (Who went on a killing spree in his place of working killing 3 and wounding 14), Carlton Antonio Murphy (Attempted cop killing), and no doubt various others on that list you detract from the cases of unjustified killings like the cases of Alton Sterling and Philander Castile.
When people look at this list, you know what they're likely to do? Google the first name on that list, not knowing who it is. And you know what they are going to do when the realize that the FIRST person on that list was wanted for suspect murder and burning of the corpse? They're going to dismiss the list in its entirety.
The list is meant to cause infighting to detract from the cases of people like Alton Sterling and Philander Castile. And looking at some posts in this topic, many people have fell for that distraction hook line and sinker.
still_one
(92,217 posts)Response to Rex (Reply #38)
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Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)and NEVER are identified with racism. Not by 2016, for chrissakes.
This IS Democratic Underground and of course something smells fishy.
Not Democrats? Not progressives? What the #### ARE they?
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)provide exhibits A-Z as to why it's so incredibly difficult to get any traction on resolving the issue at hand.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)Bare numbers mean nothing.
My high school is perhaps 20% black, 25% Latino. But perhaps 40% of the kids who are suspended are black, and perhaps 40% are Latino. They're almost all male. Girls who land in suspension usually just rack up tardy points. Same for whites. Enough tardies and you're out for a day. But the reasons for suspension are illicit substances and fights, and when you're busted for those the only questions are, "Is that you on the video?" It's zero tolerance. If there's a report of a fight, of drugs, it's investigated. Often by the time the principals come for a person the paperwork for the punishment's already completed. The numbers look racist; but the process isn't racist, unless we look at "structural racism" and ignore the causes for the discrepancy. (Even then, does that mean half the black guys in fights get a pass to avoid disproportionality?) No, the expectations of behavior are clear; subcohort standards for behavior are at odds with those expectations. For some, landing in suspension is a badge of honor. Standing up to authority and making punishments sometimes worse is a badge of honor.
Don't get me wrong, numbers are a good start. It gets rid of the media bias we see. 570 deaths, we see 8 of them, all blue killing black, mostly unarmaed black. Hmmm ... the Guardian lists 24 unarmed black deaths-by-police, and that's 5% of the total death toll. But it's nearly 100% of the video we see. There's a stong bias there, one that can warp perceptions just like having the mainstream media just show blacks as criminals warps perceptions. But the numbers are just numbers and aren't understanding.
What we have is "the only reason for disproportionality is racism; the numbers are disproportionate, proving the presence of racism." That's assuming the premise.
After disposing of the bias, to get traction you have to show that there's actual racism. Again, disparate impact doesn't cut it because there's a mess of data showing disproportionate rates of involvement in crime by geography, by race and ethnicity, by age, by income. Scoring a possible point for the racism argument is that Latinos show no or trivial disproportionality for either overall deaths by cop or unarmed deaths by cop. On the other hand, they're reflected in crime stats, both convictions, arrests, and reported crimes, in a far less disproportionate way.
The point is that facile statistical claims look bad when you lift the corner of the carpet. Suddenly the disproportionality that's important isn't in the stats. The number of armed blacks killed is disproportionately higher than whites with respect to the entire population. Is that due to racism? Or due to # of interactions with police? Or due to higher criminality among the 15-29 year old black male population? Is there something about the interaction that could be helped? We simply don't know. There have been at most 70 or so excess black deaths, armed and unarmed, using the numbers the Guardian has (and ignoring the "unknowns" . But that's an upper bound to excess black deaths due to police bigotry. (And I'm leaving out how the number may change slightly from week to week.)
But presenting deaths-by-cop where the guy killed is clearly in the wrong is emphatically not a good way to start. "J was killed because he was pointed a gun and shooting at cops while black." Uh ... True, those numbers are disproportionate, but more importantly we don't have a good idea about *how* they come to be disproportionate, or even, at times, how disproportionate they really are. Take, for example, the Guardians numbers as of a few days ago: they listed 42 unarmed white deaths/212 armed deaths, for a ratio of about 1:5 (19.8%). It listed 24 unarmed black deaths/102 armed black deaths, for a radio of about 1:5 (23.5%). The obvious "racism" in those numbers boils down to 6.5 black (mostly) men so far this year. (Castile's death was labeled "disputed" as to whether he was armed or not at the time.) One problem with those numbers is that there might have been a small statistical bump in the week before that either reduced or increased one of those percentages.
Now, 6-7 excess unarmed black deaths is a lot, but not a truly humongous number. But that's not what perceptions are. And nobody, but nobody, likes that number. It should be zero, in a color-blind society. If justice is supposed to be blind, it's certainly supposed to be color blind. It's not in the hundreds, however, nor is it as one DUer said, the leading cause of death for blacks in America, in the thousands.
The male/female skew is one that we're used to. It exists, to be clear. There's no question. We assume that this obviously sexist bias. (I mean, the numbers say that, right--most of those killed by cops are men, but society is about 50-50? Oh. We assume a difference in behavior that accounts for this. But keep in mind, that difference in behavior also means cops are more likely to be distrustful when dealing with a man than with a woman, so given exactly the same actions and behaviors by an individual man or woman the man is at higher risk. That's sexism. But it's accepted sexism, and rational sexism. Men overall are more aggressive, so we assume that each man individually is average.) It might be interesting to disaggregate the Guardian's numbers not just by ethnicity and armed/unarmed but to include sex. Moving on ...
What's left to look at is the number of deaths overall, which is where we started. But again, those numbers assume that there's no difference in behavior, culture, poverty, geographical dispersal, education, attitude, age distrbution, gun ownership, etc., etc., between whites and blacks. But we still have to assume there's racism, just not blue-on-brown (i.e., Latino) racism. And we ignore the even more obvious "sexism," because we're assuming there's no difference in behavior. Yeah, that's whack.
I, for one, am not comfortable with those assumptions, which assumes there is no racism at any point in the entire society until the blue person approaches a black person. Nor am I comfortable with the assumption that it's all racism, and any differences in behavior have to just be accommodated in a just society (the alternative is separatism, and I've seen that advocated). I'm also not comfortable with the idea of writing off behavior widely deemed anti-social because of a disparate impact result.
So the number of excess black deaths may be as high as 70 so far this year, the difference you get just looking at population demographics. Or it might be below 7 (keeping in mind that when you get to numbers that small, you're going to see that the error margin might eat up most of the signal). Of course, that assumes "excess" is what's important, and that whites are the baseline for what we expect. Meh.
But a national movement over perhaps 16 excess deaths for the *year* isn't something that pushes my buttons, not when that can be the disproportionate death toll over a 3-day weekend from just 3-4 major cities; the assumed annual rate of around 140 excess black deaths seems way too high given the general stats I know about American society and subgroup behavior. Esp. when the actual "excess black death toll" is far higher than just those killed by police--and, in fact, the disproportionality of black deaths to total population at the hands of police is very close to the disproportionality of black deaths at the hands of other civilians. There's a problem, and we're hopping mad over only the small portion of it that feeds the correct narrative.