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It's pretty sad about Bill Clinton (Original Post) drthais Jul 2016 OP
What palsy? Can't have been that obvious The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #1
ha ha. good one. riversedge Jul 2016 #3
How funny! montana_hazeleyes Jul 2016 #6
He's almost 70. lilsourgoose Jul 2016 #2
of course not! drthais Jul 2016 #15
That wasn't an aside. That was your OP. Iggo Jul 2016 #43
He has a slight tremor rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #4
Hey, 70 isn't old!! The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #7
It is when you've had heart surgery rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #36
Five heart attacks.... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2016 #53
70 is the new 40 LOL snooper2 Jul 2016 #57
We septuagenarians are just getting started! Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #24
You were watching his hands? leftofcool Jul 2016 #5
Where did you come from? Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #8
Agreed. It was a GREAT speech right on the mark. Masterfully delivered. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #18
Thank you. cwydro Jul 2016 #56
Thanks for your concern. obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2016 #9
The man had triple bypass ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #10
2013 Bill Clinton Opens Up About Hand Tremor BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #11
He most likely has benign essential tremor which is common in older people chowder66 Jul 2016 #12
I'm a lot younger than him and sometimes it happens... Historic NY Jul 2016 #34
I didn't see anything like that. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #13
It looks like essential tremor to me. greymattermom Jul 2016 #14
good to hear drthais Jul 2016 #16
I noticed it also. 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #21
I have essential tremor and it's no big deal. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #52
I'm 68 and I still think he's the sexist man alive. When I met sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #17
wow...was that a Freudian slip? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2016 #27
I would have slept................... leftofcool Jul 2016 #29
nothing sad about. He's doing ok. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2016 #19
So seeing someone with a disability makes you uncomfortable? thucythucy Jul 2016 #20
Perhaps the discomfort arises from thinking about... 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #22
Possibly. thucythucy Jul 2016 #55
It's pretty Sad that Bill Clinton called Hillary a Girl!! NBachers Jul 2016 #23
And he called himself a boy. RandySF Jul 2016 #26
I don't use the sarcasm thingie. I just assume my sarcasm is obvious enough without it. NBachers Jul 2016 #28
Ah, gotcha. RandySF Jul 2016 #31
That's all that Ms Maddow and The Liar could talk about afterwards. Iggo Jul 2016 #46
I think it was sweet womanofthehills Jul 2016 #41
lol Cha Jul 2016 #50
Oh, brother. blue neen Jul 2016 #25
Pathetic.nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #30
Bill Frist is also known to make medical diagnosis from watching tv television. tenderfoot Jul 2016 #32
He one of those tv preachers? fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #42
No. The former Senate Majority Leader under George W. Bush tenderfoot Jul 2016 #44
I noticed too. FarPoint Jul 2016 #33
70 isn't old. stopbush Jul 2016 #35
Are you kidding me? I forgot how unbelievable of a speaker he is. Rex Jul 2016 #37
Difficult to watch someone with a slight tremor? LisaL Jul 2016 #38
I Think The "Difficulty" RobinA Jul 2016 #48
Oh, that poor man, he looks like he's aged a quarter century since he first became famous Bucky Jul 2016 #39
Good One! RobinA Jul 2016 #49
A little tremor. Doesn't mean anything. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #40
my grandmother had hand tremors for 20 years and lived to 93 yrs old womanofthehills Jul 2016 #45
Those benign tremors are common among a lot of people. My uncle's head and hands shook from his 40s. Hoyt Jul 2016 #47
Nothing to worry about here. Koinos Jul 2016 #51
Go away. Photographer Jul 2016 #54

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
1. What palsy? Can't have been that obvious
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jul 2016

because I was observing his hands and thinking how they're not tiny and stubby like Trump's. Didn't notice any palsy.

drthais

(870 posts)
15. of course not!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jul 2016

It was just an aside...
his speech was quite fabulous!

I just found it worrisome, that is all

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
4. He has a slight tremor
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jul 2016

So what? He's an old man. His mind is quit clearly every bit as sharp as ever and his political charisma is undimmed.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,751 posts)
53. Five heart attacks....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

Two strokes, a quadruple bypass with complications. That was four years ago.
Now very near to 70.

Yesterday my faithful dog and I hiked on our daily five mile romp through the state park across the street from us. Came home had a short lunch, picked up my wife and headed out for a three hour kayak ride on the river also in the park.

Over the last three years+ we have not missed more than 15 days out of a year hiking those five daily. I live in SE Michigan, the summers are beautiful, the winters can get...interesting.
Guess I'm just blessed.

Peace to you

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
11. 2013 Bill Clinton Opens Up About Hand Tremor
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jul 2016
“The first time it happened, I had to go get myself checked to make sure I didn’t have Parkinson’s [disease],” Clinton said.

Clinton said he was “so relieved” to find out he did not have Parkinson’s, he “didn’t care how much it shook after that.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/bill-clinton-hand-tremor_n_2503432.html

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
12. He most likely has benign essential tremor which is common in older people
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jul 2016

He got checked out when he first noticed it to rule out Parkinson's and is on record that he gets shaky hands when he gets tired. It worsens as you get older but it's nothing to worry about.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
34. I'm a lot younger than him and sometimes it happens...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jul 2016

like he says when he's tired. I noticed it at a young age probably because of all the years of working the graveyard shift. Sometimes it bugs me when I'm working on one of my cars.

3catwoman3

(24,013 posts)
21. I noticed it also.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jul 2016

More in the left hand, and not all the time. When you are clinically trained, it is hard not to notice things, even when they are subtle.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,745 posts)
52. I have essential tremor and it's no big deal.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

It's hereditary in my family. My father had it, as did his mother and grandfather.

There are also medications that can cause hands to shake.

sinkingfeeling

(51,464 posts)
17. I'm 68 and I still think he's the sexist man alive. When I met
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

him back in 1998, I almost fainted. Leave him alone.

thucythucy

(8,080 posts)
20. So seeing someone with a disability makes you uncomfortable?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jul 2016

Why?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but discomfort at the sight of someone with a disability is one of those attitudinal barriers people in the movement have been fighting for generations. As with the LGBT community, the more people with disabilities come out into the public arena, and "normalize" disability, the better for those of us with disabilities and for society in general.

I can remember a time when someone out on the street in a power wheelchair drew expressions of shock, pity, even hostility. Today it's not nearly as big a deal, at least not in the major urban centers. We have to all do our best to get beyond those reactions, and the more public folks with disabilities are, the sooner that will happen.

Disability is a part of the human experience. Sooner or later most everyone will become disabled. Hopefully, when it happens to you, we'll have progressed enough as a society so that people won't see you as "sad" and "difficult to watch."

BTW, David Brooks on PBS thought Clinton's use of his hands was "beautiful." I'd have to agree.

Best wishes.

3catwoman3

(24,013 posts)
22. Perhaps the discomfort arises from thinking about...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jul 2016

...the frustration that coping with a disability can cause.

Just a couple of days ago, I was walking at an indoor track. A young man in a motorized wheel chair came in, accompanied by 2 adults who looked to be care takers rather than parents. He looked as if he has one of the degenerative neuromuscular diseases like muscular dystrophy. He was painfully thin. His 2 attendants helped him grasp a walker fitted with forearm supports. Over several minutes, and with multiple pauses, he managed to cover about 40 feet.

I passed by several times during his efforts, and I felt uncomfortable watching him struggle to do something I can do without even thinking about it - walk. I felt as if I were flaunting my able-bodied status.

thucythucy

(8,080 posts)
55. Possibly.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jul 2016

But I've often run into situations where the mere presence of a person with a disability, whether or not he or she was obviously in pain or struggling, provoked a measure of discomfort and embarrassment (and sometimes, especially years back, simple amazement) out of all proportion to the specific situation.

Anyway, I certainly didn't see President Clinton as someone obviously in pain or struggling. It looked to me like he was absolutely enjoying himself, disability or no disability. Which is why the notion that simply seeing him on TV would make someone sad and uncomfortable has me wondering.

I wonder too about the person you saw. Knowing very many people with MS and MD, who see their wheelchairs as tools of mobility and even liberation, I wonder if the two caregivers were somehow pushing this person to use a walker, when a wheelchair would be so much more enabling (especially since he already had one). Very many of my friends had to advocate very hard to get their wheelchairs, since the idea of being "confined to a wheelchair" was such a hang-up to the able-bodied folks around them.

It's much the same with prosthetics. It used to be that the main purpose of a prosthetic leg, for instance, wasn't to enable better mobility, but to hide the disability, to try to get the disabled person to "pass" and thus accommodate the squeamishness of the able-bodied people they might encounter. This has changed--nowadays prosthetic legs are designed more often for comfort and ease of use, rather than to try to pretend the person isn't missing their leg or legs--but it took decades of advocating to get this to happen. Again, this was all more related to the "discomfort" that able-bodied people felt around someone with an obvious disability, than with enabling that person to live up to his or her full capacity.

Disability is an integral part of the human experience. We need to face it for what it is, rather than impose our own preconceptions and stereotypes, which often as not hinder more than help.

Sorry to lecture like this, but obviously that comment hit a nerve.

Best wishes.

NBachers

(17,126 posts)
28. I don't use the sarcasm thingie. I just assume my sarcasm is obvious enough without it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

I'm comparing the non-importance of the post with the non-importance of boy/girlgate.

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
46. That's all that Ms Maddow and The Liar could talk about afterwards.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jul 2016

That's the first time I watched any of either convention on TV (my SIL loves Bubba, so I volunteered to hold the 4-month-old until the speech was over) and now I get what some of you are saying. They're just looking for something wrong to talk about instead of something right.

I haven't watched TV news for a long time, and I don't miss it one bit.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
35. 70 isn't old.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jul 2016

I'm 61, and 61 is the new 59.

Bill did touch on it when he mentioned that those of us nearer the end of our time than the beginning spend a lot of time thinking and worrying about family. We worry that they will have a difficult time of it when we're no longer around to provide comfort and shelter for them. It's a concern that's very real for we oldsters, and something the under-40 crowd doesn't think about (nor should they).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
37. Are you kidding me? I forgot how unbelievable of a speaker he is.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jul 2016

Yeah his hands shook, big deal he ain't no spring chicken anymore. His speech was amazing. His showmanship is still the best there is.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
48. I Think The "Difficulty"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jul 2016

comes from the acknowledgement that we're all getting older. When most of us first met Clinton he was an energetic guy who jogged and liked McDonalds. That was 24 years ago. Now he's 70 and has a slight tremor and isn't allowed to eat at McDonalds. His tremor reminds us that time's a-passing.

Bucky

(54,032 posts)
39. Oh, that poor man, he looks like he's aged a quarter century since he first became famous
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jul 2016

I believe he's suffering from gerontophobia

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
40. A little tremor. Doesn't mean anything.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jul 2016

I had an employee years ago, a girl in her early 20s, she had a familiar hand tremor she said was just called "essential tremor".

Once I learned to work with it, it didn't even affect her work as a cat veterinary assistant.

No big drama. Older people's hands shake a lot of the time. I am nearly 60 and I can see a very fine tremor in mine sometimes.

womanofthehills

(8,722 posts)
45. my grandmother had hand tremors for 20 years and lived to 93 yrs old
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jul 2016

prescription meds can also cause tremors

I thought he looked great - still has his good looks and he looked healthy.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
47. Those benign tremors are common among a lot of people. My uncle's head and hands shook from his 40s.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:41 AM
Jul 2016

There was absolutely nothing wrong with him mentally or physically. My hands shake a bit at times, especially after an overload of caffeine.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
51. Nothing to worry about here.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jul 2016

Apparently, Bill saw a doctor about it. He feared it might be Parkinson's. The doctor assured him that it happens to many aging people occasionally. It usually happens when they feel tired, and it is perfectly normal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/bill-clinton-hand-tremor_n_2503432.html

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