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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJackpine Radicals DEMONIZES Black Lives Matter
As usual, our local hate site is DEMONIZING a progressive group. With all the banned trolls over there I find myself not surprised in the slightest.
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/wow-and-yet-the-black-community-and-blm-went-with-clinton/
From the ignorant article they posted:
Just gotta shake my head.
https://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/
I am very glad to be rid of those PEOPLE who denigrate African Americans. Good riddance to bad cess!
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But...a touch of masochism, or know your enemy?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Gothmog
(145,627 posts)They are strange
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)What's the percentage of the American public that posts at JPR?
Goodness gracious I bet they laugh at some peoples' obsession with what goes on around their little campfire.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I never understand when people bring trash from other sites here.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and, surprisingly, are missed by some who can't just leave them to their misery. And it is misery. I've dropped in there, and they're mostly very unhappy and depressed, moping about their failure and irrelevance, though that's not quite how they express it. Since the Democratic Party owning most of that they consider only their dreams is abject failure to them. and since their leader has continued on without them (sold out), they have very little to hang onto, just fantasies that Hillary will still be arrested. Or something.
Chevy
(1,063 posts)everyday he would read The Weekly Standard or National Review. Would never comment out loud or anything but one day I asked "Why do you read that?" He said "So you you know what the other side is thinking or planning" I laughed it off and said "Whatever".
Now being older I fully understand what he was saying but I still have no interest in doing that. Find myself hiding articles on Facebook feed instead of engaging don't need the stress.
Omaha Steve
(99,748 posts)http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/2_georgia_state_students_kicke.html
By Erin Edgemon | eedgemon@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on February 27, 2016 at 8:12 PM
Two Georgia State University freshmen claim they were kicked out of a Hillary Clinton rally on Friday for writing "Black Lives Matter" on the back of a Clinton sign.
"The ironic thing is that the staffer gave me the sign in the first place. If they hadn't given it to us, I would not have written it down," Ashona Husbands told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Her friend, Meagan Mwanda, who was also ejected, said: "Why are these three words such a threat to her and her campaign?"
The Clinton campaign told the newspaper the Secret Service nor the campaign kicked anyone out of the rally at Atlanta City Hall. Atlanta police did escort two people out of the rally for having signs, according to the report.
FULL story at link.
https://twitter.com/shelbyholliday/status/703284100191416321/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nothing they say is wrong because back in Feb a few BLM folks were kicked out of a rally? Are you serious? If I were a member there, I would not justify the bad actions of others. I'd simply stop posting there.
Omaha Steve
(99,748 posts)Just pointing out Hillary's record isn't squeaky clean with super predators and click to heel.
There are bad actions by DUers here too.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I also support BLM and stand with them.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)Don't you know that you've got a whole internet full of white people eager to explain race to you?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sheshe2
(83,934 posts)Always watch your back. Kudos to bravenak for doing so.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I couldn't agree more!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Why even bring it up here?
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)I don't like onions on my hamburger. So, I don't order them.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)For example, the Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate & has free resources for teaching tolerance.
https://www.splcenter.org
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Because know your enemy.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)dominated this board throughout the primary.
The same creeps that were responsible for alert stalking and abusing the jury system.
The same creeps that were never for unity.
The same creeps who are trying to depress the Democratic electorate.
The same creeps who kept insulting the Black Lives Matter Movement and posted completely tone-deaf and ignorant crap.
The same creeps who spent the entire primary season trashing our now Democratic nominee.
The same creeps who were not just satisfied with taking over this board, but took it upon themselves to troll a small site that was specifically set up for Hillary Clinton Supporters.
betsuni
(25,660 posts)I had to go out and find a religion to join so that I'd have a deity to pray to and beg it to make the creeps stay where they are and not come back over here.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)That way I only have to see it if I want to.
I'm not one to go and seek out freeper sites.
Better there, than here, that's my motto.
NanceGreggs
(27,819 posts)Texasgal
(17,048 posts)I mean, for what reason? You know they don't support you why waste the effort?
Well go ahead and rant and rave all you want.
Seems like a colossal waste of time in my opinion. Of course, you are free to do what you want. Not exactly sure what you want out of this.. But whatever.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)Trump's latest catch phrase?
Texasgal
(17,048 posts)Pegging me as a trump supporter?
Really?
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)said he'd rather not have to "rant and rave" and you're just the next person I hear saying it is all.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)There, ya got another one.
G_j
(40,372 posts)? Why not go out and work on getting Hillary elected?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gore1FL
(21,152 posts)but many of them were a large part of this site, and caused a lot of turmoil.
Many of them worked tirelessly to silence Hillary Clinton Supporters.
That said, I'm glad they found a place to spew their hatred and are no longer a part of this community.
G_j
(40,372 posts)follow and keep track of individuals, and I've been here for years. It appears to be also about personalities and axe grinding. It's fairly ironic that you talk about hate, when there is plenty of it in this thread.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I was continually harassed for the sole reason that I supported Hillary Clinton.
I never participated in any Bernie Sanders threads, yet any thread I made regarding Hillary Clinton was swarmed with anti-Hillary supporters.
I was harassed by folks who took screen shots of my pro Hillary posts on a separate Hillary Clinton Supporter site.
I was harassed because I support the Black Lives Matter Movement.
I consistently stood up for Hillary, women, children, minorities and pretty much every social justice issue.
I spoke out when people were being bullied.
And when the civility on this board went by the wayside, and people felt free to be flat out rude and insulting, I fought back.
All, or at least most of the hides I earned were against the most revolting, disgusting, and just plain flat out wrong posts for a Democratic site.
I have never insulted anyone of good intention.
In fact, I had more than one cordial post with the fellow that the JPR site is named after.
I give what I get. If you are cordial, I am cordial. If you are fun and snarky, I too can be fun and snarky, but if you are an asshole, I will be an asshole right back.
That's just who I am. And I'll be damned if I let anyone hurt people I care about. I will only give someone the benefit of the doubt so many times before I ask them to clarify.
That's just me.
G_j
(40,372 posts)Perhaps some hate is superior to others.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and didn't feel the wrath.
It's hard for me to believe that you would take such a nonchalant position if you didn't experience it.
But trust me, it's nothing compared to what life has handed me. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
This shit is a pittance on my worry list. Still, I have no tolerance for assholes.
G_j
(40,372 posts)I'm sorry it happened to you. I can tell you that I've had a few posts hidden lately which is highly unusual for me. I sense a purge mentality. I have never seen so much "hippie punching" and derogatory references to the "fringe left" in my time at DU. My "nonchalant" attitude may have something to do with that. The level of intelligent liberal discussion here has fallen quite a bit. Maybe I come here out of habit, but it's harder to take seriously. I even saw that some people wanted Thom Hartmann banned today.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Plenty of folks here still want to have a conversation without it turning into a yelling match.
George II
(67,782 posts).....negative toward Sanders or his fans, as you say it was only because you were a supporter of the "dreaded woman of Chappaqua"!
JI7
(89,276 posts)And that's what that site is.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)demmiblue
(36,898 posts)I alerted on two posts that equated BLM with Westboro Baptist Church... one was deleted, one wasn't.
You would be surprised by who the two supported in the primaries.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)That stuff may not be as frequent here as on that other site, but there's still some of that going on occasionaly with no consequences.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I walked away from the crazier elements (and ratfucked elements) of the Bernie campaign a couple months ago.
The reasonable Bernie supporters are already supporting Hillary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They threw him under the bus with the rest of us
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)allow every piece of shit that is posted there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They act Like freepers at that nasty site
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)That is a okay there. Yet they firmly said that if you say that to a member here you WILL BE BANNED! Does that tell you something?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sheshe2
(83,934 posts)Women RULE!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sheshe2
(83,934 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)They're disgusting.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Is the poster, Madhound, authorized to represent JPR, or this post ref in the OP just his?
kcr
(15,320 posts)It's just like Free Republic isn't really a right wing website. It's just a bunch of individual posters saying, like, whatever they want. It's just a bunch of pixels on the screen! Leave them alone!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)....NRA TalkingPoint©?
Jesus, kcr, good pro2A Democrats get accused of being trolls on a regular basis. "Living in fear," indeed.
kcr
(15,320 posts)First of all, I'll answer your question. Madhound is a poster at JP? Is he authorized to speak for them? I have no idea. Okay, now that I got that out of the way. I don't understand your point. Are you saying that people should only ever look at each and every individual post one at a time, and not make a determination of what a site's agenda is about as a group?
If so, I don't agree. It's not like one starts up a website and then has absolutely no control over what happens to it after that. No agenda whatsoever. And it's not as if they can't control it if it gets out of control or moves away from whatever agenda they had in mind.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Which is what the OP's author explicitly said happened. Put aother way, much garbage has been puked up on DU and other sites. It doesn't necessarily mean everyone, including site administrators, endorse that garbage. Of course people might conclude that it does if they are pre-disposed to think along those lines anyway.
Heavens, can you imagine the consternation among some if Eleanors38 said that the anti-gun policies of DU are crippling the Democratic Party? Probably not, but if Skinner and the Ads said so it would give pause.
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)nor can I search its archives. It was the admin that has a picture of a panda as an avatar.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)Post 27, the post where the admin sanctioned the C word. Along with all those reasoned opinions. Thanks!
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)yet this is the second admin that says it is okay to use as long as it is not about one of THEIR members. (post 27)
The other conversation was an Admin with a poster named Whisp, they were banned here a long time ago for using a sock. They use to be a friend, I hardly recognize them anymore. Sad.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Whoa. Might I ask for elaboration?
Seriously - I can't find a way to ask that doesn't sound supercilious or condescending. But I mean it dead serious.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Stronger Together!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,753 posts)The OP was not who I expected it to be, though.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Which is sad
Warpy
(111,360 posts)who obviously didn't read through the economic justice platform, which is a very good one.
The site is going to have to do a little housecleaning, get rid of the dumber ones. There, like here, they tend to be trolls.
He also failed to realize that a lot of that stuff, 80% of Sanders's platform, was adopted. He's so twisted up against Clinton he doesn't realize he's turning his nose up at the policy he's complaining BLM is ignoring.
I have a headache now. No wonder I rarely read anything over there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)you just wanna enjoy some schadenfreude.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I used to really respect some of those people.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)They are not thinking rationally. They are indulging in the worst kind of confirmation bias and outcome-based thinking. Maybe some will come to their senses, but many will just reinvest in their self-indulgent fantasy world.
It's depressing, because some folks over there were very passionate progressive voices, and now they just spend their passion on sound and fury signifying nothing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)watching can't tell the difference. Wrestle with a pig instead. You both get dirty and the pig likes it!
Oink! Oink! Oink!
Seriously, it's just crazies over there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I don't go over there. Your education of us on this board matters. Spend your time here.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I rarely look at that site but this time I looked.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)For the most part, they've stayed away.
No need to drag the troll feces here in even small buckets.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Must be embarassed
panader0
(25,816 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)That that was lashing out in frustration.
Hope I am right, or if not that at least a heartfelt lesson was learned.
Yes, some things are heinous, totally agree.
But not many things (some things, granted) are truly, totally unforgivable. In this case, I, personally, forgive. YMMV.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Thank you for the info.
Signing out, for my old, tired nerves, again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)and I appreciate you very much.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This past week just about killed my mentals
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)t
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Skittles
(153,204 posts)I certainly do not
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Skittles
(153,204 posts)I don't have to search the internet to find ignorant, racist right wing assholes - why report that garbage here? fuck them
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)From deep east Texas.
But do I want to know what they are doing, nauseating though it is?
Yes.
Skittles
(153,204 posts)no need to report it here
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Not super, but best I've found. (And I've had more issues with this site than hardly anybody knows, over more years than hardly anybody knows.)
So I appreciate what I regard as useful info.
Skittles
(153,204 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Emoji noted for future reference.
I generally don't remember individuals much, but you now have the dubious honor of being on my list.
Mmmmm... Did it apply to them, not me? Well, I'll still remember you, but not quite so negatively.
We should ignore people who might wish or enable harm? Really...?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Those not living in blacks skin have the privilege of ignoring dangerous anti black attitudes. Sadly, I must inform myself constantly about what is going on in kkkville. Enjoy not noticing, I will continue the struggle alone.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I flatter myself I might know what white privilege is. Maybe being an atheist in the Bible belt (not to mention a female), I might have some mild idea.
Atheist I can hide, female I can't.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Iggo
(47,571 posts)And if ya do, please quit dragging it back here.
I'm sick of it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Skittles
(153,204 posts)it does seem pathological though
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)and I'll say it again. Their contempt for Clinton and the Democratic Party is because of its representation and inclusion of women and people of color. That is why they are voting for or otherwise helping Trump get elected. They want America to be white and male again.
NO ONE who wants Trump to win over Clinton is anything but a reactionary, piece of shit racist. That goes especially for those pretending to be "progressive," when in fact they couldn't be more regressive.
If it were a matter of promoting policies Bernie advanced, there would be no hesitation to support Clinton. Their support of Trump and/or third party ratfuckers is because they want to punish Democratic voters for refusing to elevate their racial and gender privilege over our insignificant rights.
This is the single most despicable group of people in the history of American politics. Period. They don't even have the integrity to admit they are white male supremacists. That would require a level of honesty they are incapable of.
Perfectly stated, as always.
SunSeeker
(51,728 posts)Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)I've come to realize that so many so-called progressives are "Not My Comrades."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)betsuni
(25,660 posts)I love that movie. Pirin tablets!
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)funny. And those pirin tablets to this day still cracks me up. I still have my very first copy of this movie in VHS. lol
betsuni
(25,660 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)TWiLA! TWILA!
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Gothmog
(145,627 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I just realized that, of the people I know who were/are for Bernie or Jill, of those who say they're voting FOR Trump in their anger and disgust, they're all men.
Certainly I know women who refuse to vote for Hillary or Trump, but those I see changing their vote TO Trump are men.
Never thought about that until just now.
Sadly I also know conservative women who have been pro-Trump the entire time.
(I am a Bernie supporter, btw.)
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)I hope you mean you are a Clinton supporter now.
And yes, the vast majority, but not all, are men. Sadly, I've learned that misogyny is not the sole province of men.
Voting for Trump--or a third party candidate--requires a decision that one prefer to have court take a conservative, anti-equality, tact for the foreseeable future. It requires deciding that it's preferable to see Social Security cut than have Clinton as president. It also means a decision that none of the policies Bernie campaigned on matter because Clinton supports the overwhelming majority of them and has since the beginning of the primary (the differences were largely in terms of degree or details rather than overall goals). Whereas Trump opposes everything Sanders ran on.
Even his supposed opposition to TPP is because he sees it has regulating business too much. He wants to tear down existing regulations. He made that clear in his convention speech.
Honestly, I have more respect for the ones who are honest about being conservative. It's the ones claiming to be "progressive" who embrace Trump and his ultra-reactionary, racist, and misogynist positions that I find especially despicable.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Yes, I do support Hillary. I never disliked her as so many others have all along. I became torn between the two as time went on.
And I agree that misogyny isn't only expressed by men. It's part of the culture and women exhibit it as well, no doubt.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Why are some people still insisting on fighting the primary? Can we divide people even more than they are? Isnt that what conservative groups want...a divided left wing? We dont need to be divided and conquered. We dont need anymore left twix vs right twix in our own party. This is beyond counterproductive. Lets keep our eye on the ball...Trump.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I wont name names but I have to seriously question whats going on. Another venomous article is attacking all the far-left people as racists because they found one comment where someone thought BLM wasnt doing something in their interests? Who cares? What about free speech...it was on another website. And they then label all far lefties as racist and the enemy. This to me seems like something a Tump supporter wold want...dividing us up and instigating fights so we forget who we are against. Who the hell came up with the strategy of provoking liberals against one another. Our party by definition isnt racist and the more left you are the less racist you are as far as Ive ever seen. Someone really wants us to think the far left are the real racists...isnt this a FOX News talking point? And why are they concerned with refighting the primary? Move on. Move forward. And by the way it's racist to say you cant criticize someone who is a minority. We judge on action not color. These same people would have you believe that we cant criticize Clarence Thomas or Condaleeza Rice? Something doesnt smell right with that reasoning.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Skittles
(153,204 posts)sick of this shit
KMOD
(7,906 posts)And that is exactly what that JPR site is.
RWingers posing as Democrats.
Our eyes are on the ball, but RWingers need to be taken to task.
It's like a game of whack-a-mole.
Every time they pop up, you gotta knock 'em down.
Chevy
(1,063 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But I do know that I agree I dont like impostors. But they pose as moderate democrats and far-left I bet to divide us and many people here parrot their BS nonetheless. Im sorry but if youre looking for racists its probably not going to be where all the radicals who conduct anti-racism sit ins are.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and I go from there.
I can't change the minds of the racists.
I still have hope to open the minds of the racially tone-deaf.
melman
(7,681 posts)It seems like the new rules would forbid it, but it has clearly been deemed okay.
emulatorloo
(44,188 posts)Tiring of hearing about JPR here as well.
But I've never known DU rules to forbid making fun or being critical of websites that falsely smear Democrats and work to defeating Democrats. Conservative Cave, FreeRepublic, et cetera.
melman
(7,681 posts)Regardless of whether you supported a winning candidate or a losing candidate, do not prolong the agony of the last Democratic presidential primary by continuing to pick fights, place blame, tear down former primary candidates, bait former supporters, or do anything else to pour salt on old wounds.
Why we have this rule: Most of our members want this to be forward-looking, friendly community that is focused on creating a better future for our country. Continuing to rehash old fights that have already been resolved is divisive and counter-productive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
emulatorloo
(44,188 posts)So I don't see any way that applies to this discussion.
Additionally rule meant to apply to DU members fighting each other on DU.
JPR is not a DU member. It is a website.
Yes there are ex-DU members there but what they post on a site that is Not-DU is not protected by The DU TOS.
Again I agree with you I am sick and tired of hearing about the site here. I read it for a while because of several posters I really find thoughtful and admire. However those people are attacked continually for not falling in line with the general toxicity that that permeates the site, so I stopped.
So yes, I would prefer DU'ers not drag it over here.
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)What to do?
They do have their following, though.
melman
(7,681 posts)and somehow get to be above the rules. That's the really strange part.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)that racist reactionary Trump supporters are claiming the mantle of "progressive" and actively trying to make progressive voters vote for the fascist, or at least take votes away from the non-fascist?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Not saying it doesn't exist. My point is that you're falling for it if you respond by retaliating and implicating the far left. You would be shooting yourself in the food and accomplishing their goal of dividing us. It's a waste of time and energy as well as goodwill to attack the far left instead of focusing on trump. We don't need agent provocateurs.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and DU is NEVER going to hear the end of it. That's all this is about.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)A lot of them have the same names they had on here.ost of them were here forever.
NadineB. looks like she found a new home along with the rest of those idiots. I say fuck them! DU is a much more rational and readable place now that they are gone.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)say. I'm glad she lives over there now. Let them try to figure that crap out.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)But would always be back like she never said farewells in the first place. This went on for at least 10 years. My guess is that they will all be back here before long.
Are there even tombstones here anymore?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And the constant idea she was being bullied if asked to explain herself. I missed the tombstone thingy, I lurked but did not have an account.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)I've had my share of insults having been pro Hillary and Bill since the beginning.
You can imagine.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Oh, and any mention of Bill even prior to 2008 was cause for a riot.
I am so glad that it's finally over.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was very moved by the convention. Happy tears, sad tears, everything. She did a great Job. Loved it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Or at least obtain useful information from, nadin. I'm worried about her.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)What's the obsession?
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)My first visit at their site. Now I have to go wash off my keyboard with disinfectant.
Goodness but there are some sick fucks over there. I'm guessing at some of those names and who they were here. Some I always knew were sick or nuts. A couple made me sad. Seeing someone you used to converse with, argue with, enjoy sometimes turn in on themselves with such sickness and hate, festering in ignorance and bile is just sad. Billy Crystal said it in "Forget Paris": What a waste of blood.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #105)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)all by themselves. Do you think you are unfairly characterized?
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)Is it some guilt by association thing based on a very few who post shit I strongly disagree with? If so why doesn't that same guilt by association thing apply because I'm a member of DU, where I've seen some pretty disgusting bigoted stuff posted at times?
I think some are making DU a pretty nasty place to hang around at with their obsessive attacks on JPR and anyone who posts there. I like it there and I like it here, and don't see why I have to choose between here and there, but there appears to be some who wish to drive anyone who dares post at JPR away from DU and then have a massive whine about how glad they are that they're all gone while at the same time ferrying selected posts from there over here. It all seems really childish and about as productive as someone yelling insults at another person a kilometre away through a triple glazed window....
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Is it the use of the c word to describe women?
The banning of female posters who object to use of the c word?
The company of persons who were banned here for their racial invective?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Real, meaningful, and equitable universal health care
A constitutional right at the state and federal level to a fully-funded education
A divestment from industrial multinational use of fossil fuels
A cut in military expenditures and a reallocation of those funds to invest in domestic infrastructure and community well-being.
A progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state, and federal levels to ensure a radical and sustainable redistribution of wealth.
...
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/wow-and-yet-the-black-community-and-blm-went-with-clinton/
Damn, their policy demands sound very much like Bernie. You left that out of your OP.
Economic justice, ba-by.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)to keep them off the street corners.
Bernie screamed that he said "Black Lives Matter 50 times"
Look, I don't like to dismiss Bernie, but there is a reason he did not resonate with minorities and women.
He believes that social issues are wedge issues. He believes that everything can be solved through economics alone. He refuses to address social and equality issues in any way, except economically.
But twisting, taking things out of context, and making patently false statements is par for the course.
You gotta admit, it's pretty funny that many of BLM"s demands mirror Bernie's platform. I mean, seriously, read their policy demands...
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Again, there is a reason why he did not resonate with most minorities and women.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)is fucking hilarious. I hope no one ends up having buyer's remorse!
He resonated with young women. Many women my age are pro-Hillary just cuz "it's time" to have a female president.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)a small portion chose Bernie and a larger portion chose Hillary.
You are showing complete ignorance in believing that black people are unaware of what their choices were.
You are also showing complete ignorance in you belief that women chose Hillary because she is a woman. Women are also not monolithic.
What is missing from your radar is the fact that Hillary won, and quite convincingly, because the majority of voters, (and that includes black people and women) found her to be the best choice and voted accordingly.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)You're making assumptions about what I "believe" about black voters. That's a very arrogant thing to do, but par for the twisting/taking out of context/making false statements course. It's tedious.
And considering I AM a woman, I do know why many chose Hillary, and for some, it's simply because she is a woman. Hell, my own mother loved Bernie, but voted for Hillary in the primary because "we women need to stick together." it's naïve to deny gender didn't play a role.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Your words speak for you.
The fact that you find it "hilarious" and hope that "No one has buyers remorse" leads me to believe that you have no respect for the will of people's votes.
You also seem to hold little regard for women and their right to choose.
I'm not down with undemocratic and, quite frankly, authoritarian views.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)along with others in this thread. Crackpot "ignorant elitists" in desperate need of jobs!
Howzabout you stop analyzing me, Sigmund, and start talking policy. A good place to begin would be the parallels between the BLM and Sanders' platforms. No one seems to want to discuss that. Why is that?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Black voters overwhelming chose Hillary Clinton.
Why is that?
In fact, every single demographic, except white men chose Hillary Clinton. Why is that?
The Primary is over. Hillary won decidedly. There is a clear reason why.
She had the better platform, she was more in tune with the base, and she had the best proposals for solutions.
Stop fighting the primary battle.
We have moved into General Election mode now. Hillary Clinton is our nominee.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Go!
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Hillary Clinton was fighting for racial justice for a long time.
She was there in 2000 when Amadou Diallo was shot and killed. She took a lot of crap from Guiliani and other RWingers.
She has the Mothers of the Movement on her side. Why? Because she listens and understands. She will fight for justice. Just like she always has, and has proven time and time again.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)"super-predators," the Crime Bill, fracking, etc.
She'll be getting my vote in November because the thought of Trump absolutely disgusts me. He has since the Central Park Five and Ivana days. But let's not stick our heads in the sand and ignore the big picture about our chosen candidate. Trump's going after her with a vengeance -- is everyone prepared for that?
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)to acknowledge that since it made her look good in the face of phony "Wall Street" blah blah blah.
She was also for Single Payer 20-something years ago, but her phony detractors can't acknowledge that since it makes her look good. She realized 20-something years ago that it would never pass, so she adopted other more passable measures.
I could go on, but you get the picture. It's more her detractors that are "sticking their head in the sand" about her. And about Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was one of the only Presidents to leave office with a surplus. But instead we heard bullshit about Gore being the same as Bush so that surplus went away.
And we all know Trump is all insults. That's it. It's hilarious now how all of a sudden "fear" is a really big "issue" when you all said the same thing about people being afraid of Sanders. LOL.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Good Lord, I voted in my state of California on June 7th, and here we are almost two months later with this phony and continued hostile imaginary superiority complex associated with the losing campaign. Enough is enough.
UGH!
The first few items on the BLM list were actual items that Bill Clinton/Al Gore championed some 25 years ago. They are hardly a "Sanders" platform. They are a Democratic platform. Bill Clinton rolled back the Reagan tax cuts which raised taxes on the rich. Remember? Huh? Go! Al Gore is the original author of climate change. Remember??
The rest are just friggin common sense items with the TPP being a bludgeoning tool adopted by Sanders to attack. And a couple Sanders didn't address because what his main goal as stated in his campaign was to appeal to disaffected white voters. It's obvious as you read BLM's items what I'm referencing. And it's obvious you are being disingenuous when you state that all BLM's policy issues are the sole ideas of Sanders. I'm so sick of this phoniness. Primaries are over, so let's support the nominee now.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)The choices were Bernie and Hillary, not Bill or Al or Obama (damaging trade agreements). The current candidates differed on minimum wage, education and fracking, for starters, and one was more closely aligned with BLM.
I never stated that these issues are the "sole ideas of Sanders," but twist away!
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)I'm sick and tired of it. I can't imagine what would happen if I told you to go take drugs and lie down, insinuating I am superior to you. Good Lord. And look at your own posts in this thread. They are completely irrational.
And LMAO at you going back 25 years to insult the Clintons if it makes them look bad. But anything that makes them look good is dismissed. Now you get the idea that talking "policy" is really a one-sided dealio with the phony talking points you throw out. So it was you who was "twisting away."
And the candidates didn't differ all that much, with you completely ignoring that Sanders did, in fact, lose the minority vote by wide margins. Completely lost them. So it's pretty ridiculous for you to insist they were aligned with Sanders when the FACTS are that he completely lost them. Now I wonder if you'll ever acknowledge that fact, but I doubt it.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)Smh.
Omaha Steve
(99,748 posts)I replied with correct info. Is the correct info not allowed on the DU?
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)And he didn't resonate with minorities and women, as those results indicate.
Omaha Steve
(99,748 posts)Got a link to your opinion? "And he didn't resonate with minorities and women, as those results indicate."
Age gap cuts into Clintons support among female voters: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/25/age-gap-cuts-clintons-support-among-female-voters/87556856/
Maureen Feighan, The Detroit News 11:49 p.m. EDT July 25, 2016
As Hillary Clinton pushes toward the White House, she has strong support among women in their mid-30s and older, but her message and historic campaign havent resonated as much with younger female voters.
In early June, a CNN analysis of entrance and exit polls during the primaries in 27 states found that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee soundly beat Sen. Bernie Sanders among all female voters 61 percent to 37 percent overall. But it wasnt the case among female voters 18 to 29, where Clinton lost by an average of 37 percentage points to Sanders.
In Michigan, Sanders shocked the Democratic establishment when he narrowly upset Clinton in the March 8 primary, 49.8-48.2 percent. A CNN exit poll found 51 percent of white women voted for Sanders compared with 47 percent for Clinton. Clinton had stronger support among African-American women 66 percent.
For Audra Flores, a senior at Central Michigan University who started feeling the Bern after she saw an interview of Sanders a year ago, he is just the all-around better candidate.
FULL story at link.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)are settled news. They were discussed as each state reported over months during the primaries. It's also been heavily discussed that younger voters favored Sanders. Women and minorities went for Clinton. This is really silly to belabor at this point. The primaries are over.
Omaha Steve
(99,748 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)results are settled history now.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... "one, true, BLM'.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I find it interesting that they so closely parallel the Sanders campaign.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... but it's just one group out of dozens or hundreds that claim to speak for the whole disorganized cluster**** of BLM.
Reminds me of that People's Front of Judea bit from Life of Brian...
Tarc
(10,476 posts)is to shower it with job applications.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)kimbutgar
(21,213 posts)Sorry I'll endure a bad sunburn before going into a cesspool of hate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,653 posts)Though it bills itself a pro-Bernie group, the only requisite is Hillary bashing.
That draws republican operatives looking to sway votes to a third party or abstaining. Soon the site will find a crisis in being unable to sort friend from foe, and infighting will prevail until it implodes. I don't doubt the possibility that your find was written by a troll testing the limits of the mods.
Imagine the fun to had if Free Republic required only Trump bashing to be a member.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They might need to create some limits soon. Idk. I expect failure too
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kcr
(15,320 posts)It really is a hate site.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Never seen so many CTs in one place
elias7
(4,027 posts)referring to the BLM platform, on the Movement for Black Lives website,
https://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/
The OP was asserting that the platform was more akin to the Sanders primary platform than the Clinton primary platform, and expressing some frustration at the preference of HRC over BS by the black community. If you read the thread, those PEOPLE are not denigrating African Americans and while many were banned from DU, I don't think they can fairly be characterized as trolls. And they are not DEMONIZING a progressive group; it is actually a reasonable discussion.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and how it mirrors Sanders' platform. Lots of childish name-calling and call-outs, though.
This site is heading to boring, dumbed-down territory. Sad.
kcr
(15,320 posts)because this is actually a thread about Dead Woman Card carrying hate site members and the crazy things they say.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)What the hell are you on about?
I'm trying to get someone -- anyone -- to discuss policy rather than people, and the parallels between the BLM platform and the Sanders campaign. This thread is short on substance, and long on childish name-calling and right-wingerish call-outs. Feels like Discussionist. So much for the "new and improved" (substance-free) DU! LOL
kcr
(15,320 posts)This is a thread about a hate site. That's what I'm on about.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Who is the dead woman? Are you referring to the now deceased DUer? If so, that's unbelievably low. And if I'm not mistaken, he was male, and thought very highly of.
kcr
(15,320 posts)who thinks it's clever to make a Dead Woman Card. I would guess, however, that it's a take on the Woman Card that Hillary made, in response to Trump's comment that Hillary plays the Woman Card.
ETA you did read the actual OP, right? This is about another website. Not DU. It isn't about discussing BLM.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Doesn't quite fit the narrative, eh? LOL God bless you guys. Truly.
kcr
(15,320 posts)But no. I don't know why you expect or think a general discussion of BLM should just automatically happen. This is a thread about how hateful JP is, with the attack on BLM as evidence.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)But it does ask some interesting questions about the parallels between BLM's demands and Bernie's platform. No one is touching that, of course, because it doesn't fit the narrative. Imagine!
And with that, I'm off. One can take only so much online victimhood in one night.
kcr
(15,320 posts)See, this? "So instead of paying attention to issues and policy, BLM paid attention to skin color instead and went with Hillary. " Starting right off with accusing the group of not paying attention to issues and policy, and paying attention to skin color instead? Fits neatly with my definition of attack. In every single way.
And your use of victimhood and a roll eyes in one go, gives me a good idea of why it doesn't meet yours. It explains a lot.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)rather than discussion of the parallels between BLM's demands and the Sanders campaign, conveniently glossed over by the OP. Doesn't fit the narrative, eh? LOL
backatcha.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face.
Making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
Requiring officers to wear body cameras.
Providing more training for police officers.
Ending for-profit policing practices.
Ending the police use of military equipment.
Implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34023751
The relevant portions of the platforms of Clinton, O'Malley and Sanders mirrored what BLM had already written and was disseminating online. And what civil rights activists were writing and sharing prior to the formation of BLM.
Wowza!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)question that was asked & answered ad infinitum on an infamous thread here a while back.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Their singular goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the election of Donald Trump. This has absolutely nothing to do with Bernie, who has endorsed Clinton. It's about Trump humpers. People can pretend to be progressive all day long, but when they prove time and time again that they are opposed to equal rights and insist on electing a racist piece of shit like Trump, they are no different from the the rest of the right whose goals they share.
They don't care about Bernie's policies. That much should be obvious. If they did, they would be supporting the Democratic Party and the platform Bernie helped create. Instead, they promote the GOP, insisting that voting for Trump is necessary to stop Clinton. That is not what people do who care about liberal/leftist/Democratic policies. It is what people do who want to see the country fall in the hands of an unstable narcissist who shares their hatred for the diversity of American society.
Progressive my ass.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)to those frenemies.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Keeps the crazy more in one place.
As a side note, it cracks me up when seemingly every day some bright bulb there posts a thread like:
'I have a great idea! Let's start a new political party!'
Followed by cheers, followed by someone mentioning there's already a bunch of other parties, followed by how their new party will be really different, followed by serious posts about how it takes hard work and organizing to start a viable party, followed by someone saying they're prepared to help do the work, followed by silence.
Then the next day:
'Let's start a brand new political party. It will be awesome!'
bravenak
(34,648 posts)At least this time it occurs offsite and we only have to see it if we feel like it.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bad idea.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Best ignored is true, but is a bit interesting to see what folks are up to.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)here, except the ignoring part. I mean, you're probably correct about that too. But it's just too damn funny right now.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)G_j
(40,372 posts)though I can only quess that not getting it, will mark us as "rascists" in the mind of the poster.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)that I take a look at a presentation to be given the following day to a community service organization - I don't recall the details exactly and I never again heard back, but among the things I learned from that exchange (between us), one lesson was this:
There are intelligent people who are homeless, who simply need help from those in society who are not, and are willing to use their time constructively. Most adults wind up at some point or other of growing up into compassionate members of society who really do good with their time, mostly. Some adults never grow up.
And while it's true that many people are simply not capable of helping (for a variety of reasons), other people would rather spend their time gossiping about other people, pointing fingers at 'weird' people, and making snap judgments. Thinking of Eleanor Roosevelt's quip here.
I won't be recommending this thread, and I'll let people here decide who belongs in which category.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)I've been homeless, and more than once --and I've been on both sides of the behavior you describe. One of the things my time on the street taught me well is the divisions and sub-divisions in society. How easy it is for us to "other" each other with fairly superficial differences. Through in something like race, or sexuality, the the othering is profound, and wide.
My curiosity about this behavior sparked my early interest in politics and made me a feminist. "Helping" also has varying degrees of both intent and effectiveness. "Helping others" can be done as an ego exercise, although arguably that doesn't matter if the help reaches where it needs to go. However, where the ego-driven help hurts, is where the ego doesn't allow for what is actually needed. Sites like JPR, presumably want to "help" but, through ego, have misidentified both the problem and the solution, especially when it comes to black lives. In that way, it causes harm. In that way, it is not a harmless website that should be ignored, but an active and destructive part of part of the Internet, however microscopic in scope.
I have emailed the SLPC about the site, although I don't expect it to grow in any way. I've seen enough.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I salute you.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)But it's a life-changing experiance--you never forget
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)The original Stolkholm Syndrome poster is prolific over there, as are many supporters of that concept.
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Oh wait, you re doing it again aren't you. Whatever.
bravenak
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Egnever
(21,506 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)SMH.
melman
(7,681 posts)No. I think a lot of people are just sick of what is a very tired act at this point.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am to them. They just cannot stay away. Follow me from op to op. I feel sad for them.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You have all the power of an adult with modern technology to control your experience here.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It obviously really bothers some people.
Some of the posts were.....................troubling, to say the least. Especially so for a Democratic site.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Does that mean I am DEMONIZING them?
G_j
(40,372 posts)you are a horrible person.. >>>> <<<<
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)and those who voted for Clinton made the wrong choice. Others think otherwise.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Unlike many of the posters at that JPR website that was under discussion in this op.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Funny thing, I foolishly consider trolls to be those who disrupt a discussion, or try to pile on with a bevy of like minded trolls. They come to disrupt with no positive motivation.
Just as you, bravenak, do not represent the owners of this site, the person you attack did not come into your playground to play the dozens.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)My Dad, of all people told me about that--he was a racist young guy who grew into a racist old guy before he passed on. I wonder if this is what the poster is referring too?
Comments in the game focus on the opposite player's intelligence, appearance, competency, social status, financial situation, and disparaging remarks about the other player's family membersmothers in particular ("yo? mama..." are common.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dozens
If so, I find it innapropriate given the topic.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wonder? Does the poster blame us for our own denigration because we play 'the dozens'? Weird shit goes on here.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Weird shit goes on all the time
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Or rolling over in his grave at this crap.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)This absolute desecration of his name makes me want to vomit.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)I've tried to look at the site but it's layout just makes my head spin.
Upchuck away.