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Brown Deer police chief releases 'horrific' video of dog attacking teenshttp://m.wisn.com/news/brown-deer-police-chief-releases-horrific-video-of-dog-attacking-teens/41951924
BROWN DEER, Wis. -
Brown Deer police Chief Michael Kass said last Thursday's attack of two teenage girls by a pair of pit bulls was among the most "horrific" he's seen in his 30 years of law enforcement.
Kass made the comments Tuesday afternoon during the release of a squad car's dashcam video of the incident.
As an officer arrived at the scene at North 48th Street and West Dean Road, one of the dogs was taking a girl to the ground. The other dog already had a girl down and was biting her. The girls can be heard yelling for help in the video. The officer shot the first dog. Then, the other pit bull went after the officer, and he opened fire again. Both dogs died.
"The owner of the dogs is cooperating with the investigation and resides at the home of one of the victims. At this time, there has not been a determination of whether criminal charges are warranted," Kass said.
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deathrind
(1,786 posts)I know there are many who argue that pit bulls are no more aggressive than any other breed...maybe that is true and the media is bias. Personally I would never own one or allow one around my family.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)I know a lot of people play the "you don't know what a pitbull is" nonsense.
A lot of the time the identification comes from the owner. In at least one case, the deceased woman took in pitbull rescues.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/32602175/woman-found-mauled-to-death-by-dog-in-screven-co
Investigators say 30-year-old Michelle Wilcox died when her boyfriend's pit bull mauled her at his home, near Newington, while he was at work.
Investigators in the area are calling it one of the most tragic situations they've ever seen. Around 6 p.m. Monday night, they got the 911 call of a dead person at the home on Jenkins Lane.
They found a horrific scene, the woman dead from a dog attack.
"We may never know why. The dog was raised from a puppy in the house. Always inside. She came home and let it out and seemed to be doing the normal routine. The dog just attacked. Not sure we'll ever know why, said Screven County Sheriff Mike Kile.
forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)But due to their tenacity and strength and a locking jaw, pit bulls can kill.
There are chihuahuas more vicious than some pit bulls, but they lack the strength to cause major damage.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Just as German Shepherds were developed to herd sheep, small Terriers were developed to kill mice & rats, and Bull Dogs were developed to kill bulls for sport. But they ALL - WITHOUT EXCEPTION - were developed with the desire to please their human masters and to live in human society.
Most people who own German Shepherds don't herd sheep, they have the dog as a family member & companion.
Most people who have small Terriers don't let them chase & kill rats, they have the dog as a family member & companion.
Most people who have Bull Dogs don't engage in bull-baiting with the dog, they have the dog as a family member & companion.
And most people who have dogs which are descended from the original "pit bulls" don't engage in dog fighting, they have the dog as a family member & companion. To believe otherwise is to believe a myth.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Oneironaut
(5,530 posts)They have bad owners because people buy them for the above reasons. I don't mean all Pitbull owners - just the bad ones. You never hear about the good ones because nothing happens with them.
Pitbulls are a dog breed where the owner has to know what they're doing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)I bet you agree with Trump that all Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists, and blacks are responsible for racism.
Same same, after all.
If you say so...
LWolf
(46,179 posts)The pit is actually, when raised humanely without neglect or deliberate work to encourage aggression, a very mild-mannered, affectionate, eager to please dog.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)That's the problem. IF.
As it stands, any idiot with a wad of cash and precisely zero motivation to train can buy a potentially dangerous animal. I'm not for banning the dogs, but I'd happily consider licensing people to own certain breeds.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)is true for any breed.
And it's not just true for dogs, but for other living things as well; especially people.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)But not all breeds are possessed of the same physicality. A kid could punt a rampaging maltese into the next town. A kid against a doberman doesn't stand a fucking chance.
See above.
Also take note that it is generally illegal to own people.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)that people are already supposed to have licenses to own dogs. Perhaps there should be a more concerted effort to enforce those licenses than to scapegoat breeds of dogs. It's certainly true that the most aggressive dogs don't do as much damage as bigger dogs. I believe, when it comes to breeds and aggression, I read that some of the most aggressive dogs are the small dogs whose bites are also smaller.
You've also pointed out that the most aggressive species of all, the species responsible for the abuse and neglect that leads to aggression in dogs, is not required to have a license to have the children they neglect and abuse.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Putting special restrictions one one breed of dog based on bad science IS A BAN effectively.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Or equally threatening.
And no, licensing to own does not constitute a ban. If it did, handgun licenses would be unconstitutional.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I look forward to evaluating the peer-reviewed research you have gathered on the subject, as soon as you post it, Mr./Mrs. "Science". I'm sure your literature review is impressive.
Waiting....
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:33 AM - Edit history (1)
Or Merritt Clifton?
forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)...The dogs which officials said appeared to be Labrador retriever-great Pyrenees mixes and husky-Australian cattle dog mixes are being held at the Austin Animal Center under a rabies quarantine. ...
That's how propaganda works.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2000.217.836?journalCode=javma
When two breeds are responsible for more than half the dog bite related fatalities, the idea that it's just the owners or a "propaganda" issue kinda falls flat on its face.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Propaganda works just to kill people. Anti-Pit Bull bigotry and the over-hyped sensationalistic "journalism" that goes with it does exactly that.
The really sad thing is that focusing on the breed of animals involved in these tragic incidents (which you seem to want to do) - while ignoring the real causes: the inhuman torture, neglect and abuse these dogs face - actually encourages dog aggression.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Ignoring the breed of the animal has it's own pathology, which many people have found out the hard way. The idea that the breed of the dog plays no role is not just ridiculous, but dangerous.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)Dog bites human - not a big story.
Dog mauls human - kind of a big story. Covered locally. Maybe nationally.
Dog mauls human resulting in lost limbs and catastrophic injury - big story. Covered locally. Probably nationally.
Dog kills human - really big fucking story. Absolutely Covered both nationally and locally.
The idea that other breed killings just aren't covered is just plain stupid.
No one is saying other breeds, especially large breeds, can't kill. Pack attacks on adults and single dog attacks on children, especially infants, can be fatal no matter the breed.
Once again, the disturbing fact is Pit Bulls kill adults at an alarming percentage of adult deaths... And serious maulings resulting in catastrophic injury and loss of limbs.
I guess this family didn't know what breed their "full blooded pit bull"was. Maybe it was a Chihuahua :
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-case-series-biting-dogs-characteristics-dogs-their-behavior-and
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-co-occurrence-potentially-preventable-factors-256-dog-bite-related
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-pitbull-mauling-deaths-detroit
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-bite-related-fatalities-15-year-review-kentucky-medical
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-and-near-fatal-animal-bite-injuries
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-dog-attacks-canada-1990-2007
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-bite-related-fatalities-1979-through-1988
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-breeds-dogs-involved-fatal-human-attacks-united-states-between
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-dog-attacks-1989-1994
Because the breed is generally identified visually only, which is highly inaccurate:
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-inconsistent-identification-pit-bull-type-dogs-shelter-staff
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-pit-bull-cross-country-comparison-perceptions-shelter-workers
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-comparison-visual-and-dna-breed-identification-dogs-and-inter
The crock of shit is yours - and it stinks.
JCMach1
(27,575 posts)I nearly got ripped-up by one of these dogs when I was a kid.
I don't like them, don't trust them and don't want my son, or anyone else for that matter to be around one.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'm very sorry that happened to you. Just don't make that choice for everyone else.
Just like I don't judge a whole group of people because one of their members offended or hurt me.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)the girls--probably a relative or her mother's boyfriend.
KG
(28,753 posts)JCMach1
(27,575 posts)Abouttime
(675 posts)I'm sorry but this justifies every pitbull ban.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)I'm sorry but this justifies every Labrador Retriever ban.
Girl, 13, savaged by German shepherd puppy which left her needing 50 stitches
I'm sorry but this justifies every German Shepherd ban.
Girl, 7, Hospitalized After Poodle Attack
I'm sorry but this justifies every Poodle ban.
Dachshund Mauls Baby, Critically Injuring Him
I'm sorry but this justifies every Dachshund ban.
Man heading to prison for biting child
I'm sorry but this justifies every human ban.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)Any dog can do serious damage to a kid's face. Or even worse to a small child/toddler/infant.
You can't argue with the number of adults killed by Pits. Often times it's an owner or household member (like the op). Otherwise healthy adults killed. That's the troublesome fact.
That's not even considering the severe maiming and loss of limb.
The cop in the op had his hands full even with a gun. One of the dogs broke off an attack and went after the cop.
I muscular dog breed bred to fight/kill AND tenacity is a problem when things don't go as planned.
And save the "you don't know what a Pit Bull is" crap. A lot of the breed descriptions in these fatal adult cases comes from owners or family members.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)If this dog bites someone:
You would kill this dog:
And not this dog:
Since the first two are obviously Pit Bulls (I mean - just look at them), and the third obviously isn't (just look at him). And your fear and arrogant ignorance will force you to continue to spout your crap, because the first two are NOT Pit Bulls and the third one IS.
http://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/library/research-studies/current-studies/dog-breeds/
The fact is that visual breed identification - even by professionals who deal with dogs every day - is no better than flipping a coin. And nearly every media report about incidents of dog aggression have the breed identified visually only.
Apologies accepted.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article53003700.html
http://wbtw.com/2016/01/24/7-year-old-child-attacked-and-killed-by-dogs-in-lumberton/
http://www.farrahgray.com/mother-two-mauled-death-pit-bull-adopted-week-ago-good-children/
http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/31581065/911-call-in-deadly-dog-attack-my-dogs-attacked-and-really-hurt-her
http://www.dailycommercial.com/article/20160401/News/304019956
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/23/pit-bull-kills-newborn-baby-in-bed
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2016/05/09/woman-mauled-by-pack-of-dogs-in-southern-dallas-has-died
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/mauled-to-death-by-a-pit-bull-adonis-reddick-was-nobodys-victim/Content?oid=3081136
http://fox61.com/2016/06/22/new-haven-woman-loses-arm-leg-eyesight-after-2-pit-bulls-attack/
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article81923717.html
http://www.wmtw.com/article/sheriff-boy-7-attacked-killed-by-pit-bull/2013509
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article86313057.html
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/07/16/pit-bull-attack-detroit/87204668/
http://khon2.com/2016/08/02/medical-examiner-says-dog-behind-kalihi-homeless-mans-death/
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/woman-killed-by-boyfriends-pit-bull/nr878/?icid=ajc_internallink_myajcinvitationbox_feb2014_viewoffers_post-purchase
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/aug/17/child-dies-after-pit-bull-attack-in-east-valley/
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/30/fatal-conifer-dog-attack-911-call/
http://ksnt.com/2016/09/26/family-reacts-to-daughter-being-killed-by-two-pit-bulls/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And in attempting to refute that irrefutable fact, you provide media reports.
Do you even know what DNA is?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I get that you think everyone else is just too stupid to identify dogs, but I just don't think you are getting much mileage with this nonsense with those north of a room temperature IQ
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Otherwise, it's just so much sensationalist bullshit. What DNA tests would really show is that they're mutts. And a little research would show that they were neglected, abused, tortured, or some combination of such.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Like I said, if you want to keep pretending they are pomeranians, be my guest. It's quite comical at this point.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)With no DNA, the best that you can say is that they're mixed breeds.
And even so, the breed is the least important of reasons why these incidents occurred. You're bending over backwards to ignore human negligence to place all of the blame on the dog. It would be laughably absurd if it wasn't so tragic.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)So, for you a dog is a Pit Bull until proven otherwise - based on looks alone. No matter what their actual patentage is.
And you absolutely absolve the human monsters that abuse, neglect & torture them.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Keep it up. Soon there won't be a dry eye in the house!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And *I"M* building a straw man?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Never saw that one coming.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)I guess there is no such thing as a Pit Bull rescue.
It's a I-don't-know-What-The-Fuck-Kind-of-Dog-This-Is Rescue.
Did you know that Pit Bulls I-Don't-What-The-Fuck-Kind-Of-Dog-This-Is dogs were once called Nanny Dogs?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The idiotic idea that we MUST accept is that dogs have absolutely no breeding tendencies and derive 100% of their behavior from their training. That's why you commonly see retrievers and poodles winning sheep dog competitions.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Nope, sorry don't care. Never have & never will trust that shockingly dangerous animal.
womanofthehills
(8,781 posts)And all the sheriff dept does is keep warning the owner - after about 15 calls. We will probably be going to the newspaper before something happens. Individually, two are very sweet - I love the young male but when three are running together they get very aggressive - they attacked my older dog, charged me and charged a neighbor twice while she was walking her dog, etc. The sheriff keeps telling us they can do nothing unless we have photos. We have one so far. It's hard to take a photo when a dog is charging you. I live on 40 acres all fenced but they keep digging under my fence. I keep checking my fence line and tying cactus to the bottom of the fence. Now I'm afraid to walk my land and afraid for my animals. None have ever had puppy shots or rabies shots and none of them are neutered. Every year they have about 12 to 14 puppies who mostly die from parvovirus. But!! - she loves her doggies and tells me I am overreacting. I see this story and it scares me.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)after hearing the first gunshot is troubling. You would think the sound of a gunshot would be enough to scare off a pet dog.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)No one denies these dogs were bred to fight and kill AND stay in the fight. The tenacity is a feature not a bug.
Most dogs would run after a kick in the ribs or a crack on the head.