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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:27 PM Oct 2016

Brown Deer police chief releases 'horrific' video of dog attacking teens -- GRAPHIC

Brown Deer police chief releases 'horrific' video of dog attacking teens

http://m.wisn.com/news/brown-deer-police-chief-releases-horrific-video-of-dog-attacking-teens/41951924



BROWN DEER, Wis. -
Brown Deer police Chief Michael Kass said last Thursday's attack of two teenage girls by a pair of pit bulls was among the most "horrific" he's seen in his 30 years of law enforcement.

Kass made the comments Tuesday afternoon during the release of a squad car's dashcam video of the incident.


As an officer arrived at the scene at North 48th Street and West Dean Road, one of the dogs was taking a girl to the ground. The other dog already had a girl down and was biting her. The girls can be heard yelling for help in the video. The officer shot the first dog. Then, the other pit bull went after the officer, and he opened fire again. Both dogs died.

"The owner of the dogs is cooperating with the investigation and resides at the home of one of the victims. At this time, there has not been a determination of whether criminal charges are warranted," Kass said.




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Brown Deer police chief releases 'horrific' video of dog attacking teens -- GRAPHIC (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 OP
That's pretty vicious... deathrind Oct 2016 #1
The troublesome part is the ability to kill adults. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #2
They bite like normal dogs... forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #3
Yeah, selective breeding is a myth. ronnie624 Oct 2016 #4
Pit Bulls were originally bred to fight - 200 yrs ago. baldguy Oct 2016 #20
Most dogs don't kill or maim people on a whim. CentralMass Oct 2016 #26
Pitbulls are also muscular, quick, fearless, and have the worst owners. Oneironaut Oct 2016 #9
Good example of stereotyping, there. baldguy Oct 2016 #11
Lmao Oneironaut Oct 2016 #21
"No more aggressive..." LWolf Oct 2016 #8
"If raised humanely without neglect or deliberate work to ensure aggression..." Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #10
That IF LWolf Oct 2016 #12
No shit. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #14
That points out LWolf Oct 2016 #19
That "If" encompasses 99% of all dog owners, regardless of breed. baldguy Oct 2016 #13
Bad science is pretending all breeds are equally demanding on their owners. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #16
oh good, a claim of scientific validation of your beliefs TheSarcastinator Oct 2016 #17
Wanna bet the first link they come up with is "dogsbite.org"? baldguy Oct 2016 #18
I'm curious why we never hear of packs of labradors or golden retrievers mauling people. forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #24
Because for Pit Bull bites are the only ones that get sensationalized with national coverage. baldguy Oct 2016 #25
"propaganda" doesn't actually manage to kill people Major Nikon Oct 2016 #31
Tell that to the victims of Nazi Germany. baldguy Oct 2016 #32
Propaganda works both ways Major Nikon Oct 2016 #34
That's such a crock of shit. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #41
Except that year in and year out the "Pit Bulls" involved are not, in fact Pit Bulls. baldguy Oct 2016 #45
Says someone who has never been attacked by one of these innocent, 'nanny' dogs JCMach1 Oct 2016 #23
A personal choice that I respect, and LWolf Oct 2016 #27
Notice that the dogs belonged to someone who lived in the home with one of tblue37 Oct 2016 #5
further proof pit bulls are more cuddley than kittens and would never harm a soul. KG Oct 2016 #6
But, but they are just being Nanny dogs... JCMach1 Oct 2016 #22
Horrific Abouttime Oct 2016 #7
Boy, three, left with horrific facial injuries as Labrador savages him while his mother strokes pupp baldguy Oct 2016 #15
There were more full grown ADULTS than that killed by Pits in 2016. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #29
You don't know what a Pit Bull is. baldguy Oct 2016 #33
Just in 2016, many were breed identified by their owners Major Nikon Oct 2016 #35
Nearly every media report about incidents of dog aggression have the breed identified visually only. baldguy Oct 2016 #37
I'm sure DNA would prove these are really pomeranians Major Nikon Oct 2016 #38
Links, please. baldguy Oct 2016 #39
I already gave you the links. All of them are from just this year alone. Major Nikon Oct 2016 #43
Those are media report identifying the breed visually. Where are the DNA tests? baldguy Oct 2016 #46
You are absolutely right, they are obviously pomeranians until proven otherwise! Major Nikon Oct 2016 #47
Right. No DNA tests. baldguy Oct 2016 #48
Subterfuge along with some strawman thrown in for good measure! Major Nikon Oct 2016 #49
You think any dog that bites is a Pit Bull by definition & absolve humans of all responsability. baldguy Oct 2016 #50
Countering the strawman accusation with more strawman! Major Nikon Oct 2016 #51
Yeah, this line of argument is bizarre and rediculous. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #40
It always is Major Nikon Oct 2016 #44
Ban all Pit Bulls! GOLGO 13 Oct 2016 #28
We have a big problem with 3 pits running loose in our rural neighborhood womanofthehills Oct 2016 #30
That the second dog didn't run away Shankapotomus Oct 2016 #36
Yep. That's one of the problems. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #42

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
1. That's pretty vicious...
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:38 PM
Oct 2016

I know there are many who argue that pit bulls are no more aggressive than any other breed...maybe that is true and the media is bias. Personally I would never own one or allow one around my family.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
2. The troublesome part is the ability to kill adults.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:19 AM
Oct 2016

I know a lot of people play the "you don't know what a pitbull is" nonsense.

A lot of the time the identification comes from the owner. In at least one case, the deceased woman took in pitbull rescues.



http://www.wtoc.com/story/32602175/woman-found-mauled-to-death-by-dog-in-screven-co

Investigators say 30-year-old Michelle Wilcox died when her boyfriend's pit bull mauled her at his home, near Newington, while he was at work.

Investigators in the area are calling it one of the most tragic situations they've ever seen. Around 6 p.m. Monday night, they got the 911 call of a dead person at the home on Jenkins Lane.

They found a horrific scene, the woman dead from a dog attack.

"We may never know why. The dog was raised from a puppy in the house. Always inside. She came home and let it out and seemed to be doing the normal routine. The dog just attacked. Not sure we'll ever know why,” said Screven County Sheriff Mike Kile.

forgotmylogin

(7,539 posts)
3. They bite like normal dogs...
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:34 AM
Oct 2016

But due to their tenacity and strength and a locking jaw, pit bulls can kill.

There are chihuahuas more vicious than some pit bulls, but they lack the strength to cause major damage.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. Pit Bulls were originally bred to fight - 200 yrs ago.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:49 AM
Oct 2016

Just as German Shepherds were developed to herd sheep, small Terriers were developed to kill mice & rats, and Bull Dogs were developed to kill bulls for sport. But they ALL - WITHOUT EXCEPTION - were developed with the desire to please their human masters and to live in human society.

Most people who own German Shepherds don't herd sheep, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

Most people who have small Terriers don't let them chase & kill rats, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

Most people who have Bull Dogs don't engage in bull-baiting with the dog, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

And most people who have dogs which are descended from the original "pit bulls" don't engage in dog fighting, they have the dog as a family member & companion. To believe otherwise is to believe a myth.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
9. Pitbulls are also muscular, quick, fearless, and have the worst owners.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 08:39 AM
Oct 2016

They have bad owners because people buy them for the above reasons. I don't mean all Pitbull owners - just the bad ones. You never hear about the good ones because nothing happens with them.

Pitbulls are a dog breed where the owner has to know what they're doing.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
11. Good example of stereotyping, there.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:00 AM
Oct 2016

I bet you agree with Trump that all Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists, and blacks are responsible for racism.

Same same, after all.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
8. "No more aggressive..."
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 08:38 AM
Oct 2016

The pit is actually, when raised humanely without neglect or deliberate work to encourage aggression, a very mild-mannered, affectionate, eager to please dog.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. "If raised humanely without neglect or deliberate work to ensure aggression..."
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
Oct 2016

That's the problem. IF.

As it stands, any idiot with a wad of cash and precisely zero motivation to train can buy a potentially dangerous animal. I'm not for banning the dogs, but I'd happily consider licensing people to own certain breeds.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
12. That IF
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Oct 2016

is true for any breed.

And it's not just true for dogs, but for other living things as well; especially people.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
14. No shit.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:11 AM
Oct 2016

But not all breeds are possessed of the same physicality. A kid could punt a rampaging maltese into the next town. A kid against a doberman doesn't stand a fucking chance.

And it's not just true for dogs, but for other living things as well; especially people.


See above.

Also take note that it is generally illegal to own people.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
19. That points out
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:47 AM
Oct 2016

that people are already supposed to have licenses to own dogs. Perhaps there should be a more concerted effort to enforce those licenses than to scapegoat breeds of dogs. It's certainly true that the most aggressive dogs don't do as much damage as bigger dogs. I believe, when it comes to breeds and aggression, I read that some of the most aggressive dogs are the small dogs whose bites are also smaller.

You've also pointed out that the most aggressive species of all, the species responsible for the abuse and neglect that leads to aggression in dogs, is not required to have a license to have the children they neglect and abuse.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
13. That "If" encompasses 99% of all dog owners, regardless of breed.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:06 AM
Oct 2016

Putting special restrictions one one breed of dog based on bad science IS A BAN effectively.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
16. Bad science is pretending all breeds are equally demanding on their owners.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:19 AM
Oct 2016

Or equally threatening.

And no, licensing to own does not constitute a ban. If it did, handgun licenses would be unconstitutional.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
17. oh good, a claim of scientific validation of your beliefs
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:30 AM
Oct 2016

I look forward to evaluating the peer-reviewed research you have gathered on the subject, as soon as you post it, Mr./Mrs. "Science". I'm sure your literature review is impressive.

Waiting....

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. Wanna bet the first link they come up with is "dogsbite.org"?
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:37 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Or Merritt Clifton?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
25. Because for Pit Bull bites are the only ones that get sensationalized with national coverage.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 07:37 AM
Oct 2016
Woman killed by pack of dogs while serving court papers in Travis County

...The dogs — which officials said appeared to be Labrador retriever-great Pyrenees mixes and husky-Australian cattle dog mixes — are being held at the Austin Animal Center under a rabies quarantine. ...


That's how propaganda works.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. "propaganda" doesn't actually manage to kill people
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:59 AM
Oct 2016
At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths.

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2000.217.836?journalCode=javma

When two breeds are responsible for more than half the dog bite related fatalities, the idea that it's just the owners or a "propaganda" issue kinda falls flat on its face.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
32. Tell that to the victims of Nazi Germany.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 06:21 PM
Oct 2016

Propaganda works just to kill people. Anti-Pit Bull bigotry and the over-hyped sensationalistic "journalism" that goes with it does exactly that.

The really sad thing is that focusing on the breed of animals involved in these tragic incidents (which you seem to want to do) - while ignoring the real causes: the inhuman torture, neglect and abuse these dogs face - actually encourages dog aggression.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
34. Propaganda works both ways
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 08:06 PM
Oct 2016

Ignoring the breed of the animal has it's own pathology, which many people have found out the hard way. The idea that the breed of the dog plays no role is not just ridiculous, but dangerous.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
41. That's such a crock of shit.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:24 PM
Oct 2016

Dog bites human - not a big story.

Dog mauls human - kind of a big story. Covered locally. Maybe nationally.

Dog mauls human resulting in lost limbs and catastrophic injury - big story. Covered locally. Probably nationally.

Dog kills human - really big fucking story. Absolutely Covered both nationally and locally.


The idea that other breed killings just aren't covered is just plain stupid.

No one is saying other breeds, especially large breeds, can't kill. Pack attacks on adults and single dog attacks on children, especially infants, can be fatal no matter the breed.

Once again, the disturbing fact is Pit Bulls kill adults at an alarming percentage of adult deaths... And serious maulings resulting in catastrophic injury and loss of limbs.

I guess this family didn't know what breed their "full blooded pit bull"was. Maybe it was a Chihuahua :


https://m.


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
45. Except that year in and year out the "Pit Bulls" involved are not, in fact Pit Bulls.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:51 PM
Oct 2016
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/dog-bite-related-fatalities-literature-review

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-case-series-biting-dogs-characteristics-dogs-their-behavior-and

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-co-occurrence-potentially-preventable-factors-256-dog-bite-related

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-pitbull-mauling-deaths-detroit

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-bite-related-fatalities-15-year-review-kentucky-medical

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-and-near-fatal-animal-bite-injuries

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-dog-attacks-canada-1990-2007

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-bite-related-fatalities-1979-through-1988

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-breeds-dogs-involved-fatal-human-attacks-united-states-between

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-fatal-dog-attacks-1989-1994


Because the breed is generally identified visually only, which is highly inaccurate:

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-inconsistent-identification-pit-bull-type-dogs-shelter-staff

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-dog-pit-bull-cross-country-comparison-perceptions-shelter-workers

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/research-library/summary-analysis-comparison-visual-and-dna-breed-identification-dogs-and-inter


The crock of shit is yours - and it stinks.

JCMach1

(27,575 posts)
23. Says someone who has never been attacked by one of these innocent, 'nanny' dogs
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:48 AM
Oct 2016

I nearly got ripped-up by one of these dogs when I was a kid.

I don't like them, don't trust them and don't want my son, or anyone else for that matter to be around one.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
27. A personal choice that I respect, and
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 08:44 AM
Oct 2016

I'm very sorry that happened to you. Just don't make that choice for everyone else.

Just like I don't judge a whole group of people because one of their members offended or hurt me.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
5. Notice that the dogs belonged to someone who lived in the home with one of
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 03:44 AM
Oct 2016

the girls--probably a relative or her mother's boyfriend.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
15. Boy, three, left with horrific facial injuries as Labrador savages him while his mother strokes pupp
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:19 AM
Oct 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

I'm sorry but this justifies every Labrador Retriever ban.

Girl, 13, savaged by German shepherd puppy which left her needing 50 stitches

I'm sorry but this justifies every German Shepherd ban.

Girl, 7, Hospitalized After Poodle Attack

I'm sorry but this justifies every Poodle ban.

Dachshund Mauls Baby, Critically Injuring Him

I'm sorry but this justifies every Dachshund ban.

Man heading to prison for biting child

I'm sorry but this justifies every human ban.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
29. There were more full grown ADULTS than that killed by Pits in 2016.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 09:30 AM
Oct 2016

Any dog can do serious damage to a kid's face. Or even worse to a small child/toddler/infant.

You can't argue with the number of adults killed by Pits. Often times it's an owner or household member (like the op). Otherwise healthy adults killed. That's the troublesome fact.

That's not even considering the severe maiming and loss of limb.

The cop in the op had his hands full even with a gun. One of the dogs broke off an attack and went after the cop.

I muscular dog breed bred to fight/kill AND tenacity is a problem when things don't go as planned.


And save the "you don't know what a Pit Bull is" crap. A lot of the breed descriptions in these fatal adult cases comes from owners or family members.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
33. You don't know what a Pit Bull is.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 06:41 PM
Oct 2016

If this dog bites someone:



You would kill this dog:



And not this dog:



Since the first two are obviously Pit Bulls (I mean - just look at them), and the third obviously isn't (just look at him). And your fear and arrogant ignorance will force you to continue to spout your crap, because the first two are NOT Pit Bulls and the third one IS.

http://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/library/research-studies/current-studies/dog-breeds/

The fact is that visual breed identification - even by professionals who deal with dogs every day - is no better than flipping a coin. And nearly every media report about incidents of dog aggression have the breed identified visually only.


Apologies accepted.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
35. Just in 2016, many were breed identified by their owners
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 08:44 PM
Oct 2016
http://www.wxii12.com/article/infant-dies-after-grayson-county-dog-attack-2-caretakers-arrested/2062072

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article53003700.html

http://wbtw.com/2016/01/24/7-year-old-child-attacked-and-killed-by-dogs-in-lumberton/

http://www.farrahgray.com/mother-two-mauled-death-pit-bull-adopted-week-ago-good-children/

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/31581065/911-call-in-deadly-dog-attack-my-dogs-attacked-and-really-hurt-her

http://www.dailycommercial.com/article/20160401/News/304019956

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/23/pit-bull-kills-newborn-baby-in-bed

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2016/05/09/woman-mauled-by-pack-of-dogs-in-southern-dallas-has-died

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/mauled-to-death-by-a-pit-bull-adonis-reddick-was-nobodys-victim/Content?oid=3081136

http://fox61.com/2016/06/22/new-haven-woman-loses-arm-leg-eyesight-after-2-pit-bulls-attack/

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article81923717.html

http://www.wmtw.com/article/sheriff-boy-7-attacked-killed-by-pit-bull/2013509

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article86313057.html

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/07/16/pit-bull-attack-detroit/87204668/

http://khon2.com/2016/08/02/medical-examiner-says-dog-behind-kalihi-homeless-mans-death/

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/woman-killed-by-boyfriends-pit-bull/nr878/?icid=ajc_internallink_myajcinvitationbox_feb2014_viewoffers_post-purchase

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/aug/17/child-dies-after-pit-bull-attack-in-east-valley/

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/30/fatal-conifer-dog-attack-911-call/

http://ksnt.com/2016/09/26/family-reacts-to-daughter-being-killed-by-two-pit-bulls/

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
37. Nearly every media report about incidents of dog aggression have the breed identified visually only.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 09:12 PM
Oct 2016

And in attempting to refute that irrefutable fact, you provide media reports.

Do you even know what DNA is?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
38. I'm sure DNA would prove these are really pomeranians
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 09:41 PM
Oct 2016

I get that you think everyone else is just too stupid to identify dogs, but I just don't think you are getting much mileage with this nonsense with those north of a room temperature IQ






















 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
39. Links, please.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 10:15 PM
Oct 2016

Otherwise, it's just so much sensationalist bullshit. What DNA tests would really show is that they're mutts. And a little research would show that they were neglected, abused, tortured, or some combination of such.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
43. I already gave you the links. All of them are from just this year alone.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:35 PM
Oct 2016

Like I said, if you want to keep pretending they are pomeranians, be my guest. It's quite comical at this point.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
46. Those are media report identifying the breed visually. Where are the DNA tests?
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:57 PM
Oct 2016

With no DNA, the best that you can say is that they're mixed breeds.

And even so, the breed is the least important of reasons why these incidents occurred. You're bending over backwards to ignore human negligence to place all of the blame on the dog. It would be laughably absurd if it wasn't so tragic.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
48. Right. No DNA tests.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 12:03 AM
Oct 2016

So, for you a dog is a Pit Bull until proven otherwise - based on looks alone. No matter what their actual patentage is.

And you absolutely absolve the human monsters that abuse, neglect & torture them.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
49. Subterfuge along with some strawman thrown in for good measure!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 12:05 AM
Oct 2016

Keep it up. Soon there won't be a dry eye in the house!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
50. You think any dog that bites is a Pit Bull by definition & absolve humans of all responsability.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 12:12 AM
Oct 2016

And *I"M* building a straw man?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
40. Yeah, this line of argument is bizarre and rediculous.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

I guess there is no such thing as a Pit Bull rescue.

It's a I-don't-know-What-The-Fuck-Kind-of-Dog-This-Is Rescue.

Did you know that Pit Bulls I-Don't-What-The-Fuck-Kind-Of-Dog-This-Is dogs were once called Nanny Dogs?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
44. It always is
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:48 PM
Oct 2016

The idiotic idea that we MUST accept is that dogs have absolutely no breeding tendencies and derive 100% of their behavior from their training. That's why you commonly see retrievers and poodles winning sheep dog competitions.

womanofthehills

(8,781 posts)
30. We have a big problem with 3 pits running loose in our rural neighborhood
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016

And all the sheriff dept does is keep warning the owner - after about 15 calls. We will probably be going to the newspaper before something happens. Individually, two are very sweet - I love the young male but when three are running together they get very aggressive - they attacked my older dog, charged me and charged a neighbor twice while she was walking her dog, etc. The sheriff keeps telling us they can do nothing unless we have photos. We have one so far. It's hard to take a photo when a dog is charging you. I live on 40 acres all fenced but they keep digging under my fence. I keep checking my fence line and tying cactus to the bottom of the fence. Now I'm afraid to walk my land and afraid for my animals. None have ever had puppy shots or rabies shots and none of them are neutered. Every year they have about 12 to 14 puppies who mostly die from parvovirus. But!! - she loves her doggies and tells me I am overreacting. I see this story and it scares me.



Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
36. That the second dog didn't run away
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 09:00 PM
Oct 2016

after hearing the first gunshot is troubling. You would think the sound of a gunshot would be enough to scare off a pet dog.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,346 posts)
42. Yep. That's one of the problems.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:31 PM
Oct 2016

No one denies these dogs were bred to fight and kill AND stay in the fight. The tenacity is a feature not a bug.

Most dogs would run after a kick in the ribs or a crack on the head.


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