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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:23 PM Oct 2016

The religious right just raised the stakes...

two bills (H.R. 6086 and H.R. 6195) were introduced into Congress that would repeal the Johnson Amendment. Passed in 1954, the Johnson Amendment prohibits nonprofits, including churches, from endorsing political candidates. This crucial safeguard helps ensures that nonprofits use their tax-exempt resources to help people, not play partisan politics.

But that’s exactly why the religious right wants it repealed so badly. If either of these bills are signed into law, churches will become political players, able to campaign for and endorse candidates running for office. Since churches are already exempt from financial disclosure laws, a repeal of the Johnson Amendment will effectively unleash billions of dollars of religious “dark money” into the political system.

No matter which candidate wins in November, it is imperative that we do everything we can to make sure neither of these bills makes it to the incoming president’s desk.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/6195

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr6086/text

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The religious right just raised the stakes... (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2016 OP
Which is why Congress matters treestar Oct 2016 #1
Make Congress Great Again. Coyotl Oct 2016 #37
It will never get by Obama or Clinton. denbot Oct 2016 #2
I think it's a fundraising tactic for the GOP. They'll get the bill passed, it will be vetoed (which okaawhatever Oct 2016 #15
It may be an indication of their next culture war battle ground Generic Brad Oct 2016 #22
LOL Yep Of course they have to make sure their target is hated by the really rich right wingers or okaawhatever Oct 2016 #24
I hate to say this because it makes me vomit in my throat, but dmr Oct 2016 #53
Recommended. The GOP is terrible at governing, but fairly good at framing issues. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #30
"fairly good at framing issues."?? Matthew Rose Oct 2016 #36
Welcome to DU, and let me explain. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #47
They already pretty much ignore it sharp_stick Oct 2016 #3
I'm fine with just yanking their tax-free status if they violate...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #9
Contact your Senator and tell him/her to vote against these bills. yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2016 #4
My current Senator is one of the sponsors DemonGoddess Oct 2016 #46
The religious right don't give a damn about anything except forcing SamKnause Oct 2016 #5
They only oppose sharia awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #7
They have their own Christian version of Sharia... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #10
The Talibornagains. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #12
Or the Talibangelists.... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #13
Hadn't heard that one awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #14
"They want the U.S. to be governed by the Bible, not the Constitution." GeoWilliam750 Oct 2016 #32
That's why I call them the Tealiban. lark Oct 2016 #39
Rec for exposure. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #6
Thanks for the heads up on this, DR... PoiBoy Oct 2016 #8
Churches involved in politics need to start paying taxes. Why is the IRS ignoring them? catbyte Oct 2016 #11
1. They don't have the resources. The GOP & Koch brothers have been working very hard to okaawhatever Oct 2016 #16
...as long as their tax exempt status is revoked. roamer65 Oct 2016 #17
tRump says he wants to repeal the Johnson Amendment Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #18
The Christian right would become self aware if this happened. Initech Oct 2016 #19
Self aware? I don't think so. pangaia Oct 2016 #26
Many 'Christians' want Christianity to be the law of the land. keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #20
Robertson and Fallwell are not Christians. pangaia Oct 2016 #27
Of course they are A HERETIC I AM Oct 2016 #34
+10000 Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #38
Well, I've always wanted to start a church. They're a good business. Can I get an amen? nt TeamPooka Oct 2016 #21
The real world's oldest profession SwankyXomb Oct 2016 #49
are we in the least surprised? niyad Oct 2016 #23
Not a chance in the world. You'd think they'd realize that after being soiled by Don the Con. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #25
Donations to churches can be deducted on your taxes LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2016 #28
So churches will not only be finanically opaque, but de facto campaign organizations? Crash2Parties Oct 2016 #29
The religious right needs to be stopped Neema Oct 2016 #31
I don't need to attend church to hear a RW political rally. bulloney Oct 2016 #33
I bailed on the Catholic Church because of their politicking 47of74 Oct 2016 #45
Yesterday we had to hear a pitch for membership to the Knights of Columbus. bulloney Oct 2016 #52
Trump has already said he would do away with it and.... usedtobedemgurl Oct 2016 #40
Oh they do this every year. KWR65 Oct 2016 #42
We can agree that there is one wall we don't want to tear down: Nitram Oct 2016 #43
Happy holidays SCVDem Oct 2016 #50
And this would apply equally to mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #51
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. Which is why Congress matters
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:25 PM
Oct 2016

People need to vote every two years, not every four! Enough of these insane Congresspersons. Hopefully will not make it out for a vote.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
2. It will never get by Obama or Clinton.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
Oct 2016

The pugs will try likely try to attach it to a critical bill, in order to embarrass a sitting President.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
15. I think it's a fundraising tactic for the GOP. They'll get the bill passed, it will be vetoed (which
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 06:05 PM
Oct 2016

will reinforce their claims that the Dems are anti-religion, which isn't true of course) then they will raise money off of getting enough Republicans elected to override the veto or get a Republican in the White House.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
22. It may be an indication of their next culture war battle ground
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:27 PM
Oct 2016

Attacking the transgendered is not gaining the same level of traction their opposition to gay marriage generated (and they overwhelmingly lost that). Come to think of it, they have lost every fight they have picked for decades now. If they can only figure out how to frame their argument so it demonizes a small group of people, they will be off to the races.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
24. LOL Yep Of course they have to make sure their target is hated by the really rich right wingers or
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:52 PM
Oct 2016

else their plan doesn't work.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
53. I hate to say this because it makes me vomit in my throat, but
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 04:51 PM
Oct 2016

the only way to demoralize their talking points and to shake the right-wing up is by letting them know other faiths, including Muslims will share this same right.

I have no idea how to frame this without demeaning, and hurting those in the Muslim faith -- something that pains me to write this. I apologize.

The Republicans can't think beyond their own prejudices. I bet they think this kind of law would benefit only their brand of God & their faith.

Personally, I'd like to do away with, or at least put a cap on the tax free issue. There seems to be a lot of profit that should be taxed --- and those tax dollars would be beneficial to ALL of America.

Matthew Rose

(66 posts)
36. "fairly good at framing issues."??
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 08:05 AM
Oct 2016

The MSM ONLY talks in right-wing talking points.

ex.
When was the last time you heard them mention consumption (consumers) creates jobs?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
47. Welcome to DU, and let me explain.
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 12:36 PM
Oct 2016

The GOP is focus group driven so they use research to discover how people respond to various issues.

One example is framing the estate tax, which basically hits only the top tenth of the top 1%, and calling it the "death tax", which implies that every family is subject to it.

Another example is calling the anti-choice position "pro-life", thus implicitly framing the pro-choice position as "pro-death".

Yet another example is framing the BLM people as anti-police.

And yes, as you say, the corporate media rarely mentions that 70% of the GDP is consumer spending.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. They already pretty much ignore it
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:31 PM
Oct 2016

It would be nice if they'd get slapped with some massive fines or tax bills.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
46. My current Senator is one of the sponsors
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 12:14 PM
Oct 2016

which is why the bigger I see Evan Bayh's lead grow against him, the happier I get! Among other reasons!

SamKnause

(13,103 posts)
5. The religious right don't give a damn about anything except forcing
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:38 PM
Oct 2016

their religion down out throats.

They want a Theocracy.

They want the U.S. to be governed by the Bible, not the Constitution.

They are the greatest threat this country faces.

They are the reason Trump won the nomination.

I am sick of them.

They are hypocrites.

I am sick of what they are doing to this country.





Wounded Bear

(58,653 posts)
10. They have their own Christian version of Sharia...
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 05:45 PM
Oct 2016

it's more than a name, it's a philosophy that defines how much freedom you allow women to have.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
32. "They want the U.S. to be governed by the Bible, not the Constitution."
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 03:34 AM
Oct 2016

It may be that they just want the US ruled by them, above all laws, in much the same way as the Middle East.

lark

(23,099 posts)
39. That's why I call them the Tealiban.
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 09:40 AM
Oct 2016

They want this country governed by their religious dogma every bit as much as the Taliban wants this in Afghanistan. They very much (US RW'ers) want to implement their version of Sharia law lite. The only difference is our version doesn't yet advocate killing women, but in IN a young woman is in jail for having a miscarriage so they are edging that way.

PoiBoy

(1,542 posts)
8. Thanks for the heads up on this, DR...
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 05:26 PM
Oct 2016

...this is important... corporations and churches.. the biggest threats to Democracy in the 21st century...












okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
16. 1. They don't have the resources. The GOP & Koch brothers have been working very hard to
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 06:12 PM
Oct 2016

eliminate funding and jobs and it has worked. Obama asked for 7,000 new agents in one of his budgets all for enforcement/collection purposes and the GOP killed it. In that case he was mainly going after money hidden overseas, but the Dems have wanted enforcement agents for a long time now. I believe I read that for every $1 spent for agents they would return $8 in uncollected revenue. Problem is, that $8 is coming from the 1 percenters who have money stashed offshore.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
18. tRump says he wants to repeal the Johnson Amendment
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Oct 2016

Win the House and Senate so that President Hillary Clinton doesn't even have to waste political capital and PR on vetoing it.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
19. The Christian right would become self aware if this happened.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 06:31 PM
Oct 2016

And that is not a good thing. America's religious institutions already rake in billions upon billions every year, and pay absolutely ZERO in taxes. Repealing the Johnson Amendment would be scarier than a million Citizens Uniteds.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. Self aware? I don't think so.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:03 PM
Oct 2016

They still haven't figured what Jesus saying "Sleepers, awake," means yet.

keithbvadu2

(36,799 posts)
20. Many 'Christians' want Christianity to be the law of the land.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:10 PM
Oct 2016

Many 'Christians' want Christianity to be the law of the land.

They would be highly upset to find that their version of Christianity might not be in charge.

We have plenty of big name Christians who want to be the Ayatollah of America... Robertson, Falwell and more.

Would Protestants be happy with Catholics in charge?

Would Catholics be happy with Protestants in charge?

Westboro Baptist Church?

28. Donations to churches can be deducted on your taxes
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
Oct 2016

Donations to political entities aren't. Allowing churches to act as de facto PACs gives big donors another way to game the system so they make out financially.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
33. I don't need to attend church to hear a RW political rally.
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 06:11 AM
Oct 2016

Our pastor subtly conducts political talks already with his sermons on why you should always vote for "pro life" (read: anti-abortion) political candidates. As far as I'm concerned, you are not "pro-life" if you're only against a woman's right to choose, while you support capital punishment, W's war mongering and oppose any attempts at health care reform because a Democrat or a Black man is in the White House. But, those are the positions of many in my neck of the woods.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
45. I bailed on the Catholic Church because of their politicking
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 11:15 AM
Oct 2016

Especially after they started whining about how they were being persecuted when they got called to the carpet for their behavior.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
52. Yesterday we had to hear a pitch for membership to the Knights of Columbus.
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 04:25 PM
Oct 2016

The speaker made it sound like it's the Catholics vs. the world and a K of C membership is your only recourse.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
40. Trump has already said he would do away with it and....
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 09:55 AM
Oct 2016

religions should not be muzzled. We must get out and vote ad we need to encourage everyone who is liberal to vote as well.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
42. Oh they do this every year.
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

It won't go any where unless the Repubs get 60 votes in the Senate. It looks like they will have a 50-50 senate next year.

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